Bojack Horseman - Bojack's Final Journey
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It’s sad that everyone else’s happy ending is distancing themselves from bojack
Just like how BoJack or ourselves when chasing our happy endings may become blind to the suffering, struggle, story and events of those arround us
I actually think there is a happier way to look at it : at the start of the series every character has a toxic or at least dependent relation to bojack
- Tod is a free loader
- Diane writes his biography
- Princesse Caroline is his gf / agent
By the end of it, while they don't depend on him so much, they' actually want to exchange with him : Tod brings him to the beach, PC has a very pleasant exchange with him. Only Diane cuts him off and it is clearly established why.
Well everyone but Mr.Penutbutter.
It is sad. I agree with you on that. But that's on Bojack. He wanted everyone else to keep him out of trouble forever and ever and that's just not something you can ask people to do. PC realized this at the end during the interviews because she realized she had become Bojack's enabler over the years. He did something stupid and she would spin it or make it disappear. She still cares but she's not going to represent him anymore. She wants him to thrive but she needs to live with herself every day and she realized she can't keep protecting him from consequences and be a good person at the same time. Same with the others. It sucks but the only one who can ultimately hold Bojack accountable is Bojack.
I wouldn't say it's sad. Yes, Diane cuts him off, but MPB stays his friend and the show ends with Bojack finally accepting him.
PC finds love in someone else, but she has already estabilished that she will not let Bojack go and she will be with him and Todd, while much more careful and wise now than at the beginning, wants to help Bojack.
I noticed that in the last episode Bojack talks with the main characters in order from most intact relationship to least.
PB- still tries to be his friend and a close one at that
Todd- is a friend but a more distanced one
PC- has respect for Bojack but ultimately doesn't want to represent/work with him any more
Diane- wants to completely cut him from her life
That’s an interesting detail
And isn’t that order kind of opposite of the one at the beginnings of the show?
@@jennyzheng9561 Hmm... I'd argue that Bojack was closer to PC at the start of the show than Diane, but beside that your observation checks out.
Edit: I just realised that a theme of the show was that Bojack hurts those closest to him the most, and since Bojack wanted a closer relationship with Diane, it makes sense that she would be hurt the most.
Interesting. I actually interpreted it as the order from least to most relevant to the Bojack’s current life (and the plot).
The last three or so episodes hurt me so badly. He was doing so well. He was so happy helping students. And he wasn’t trying to find fame or love from random people. But it all fell apart so soon. And it broke me. Cause he was better. But everything fell apart. And it was so fast and sudden that it hurt so bad.
Was he truly better? All it took was one interview and he immediately reverted back to his old self. This was the only way he would truly learn.
Savannah M yea thats a good point, he did go back to his old ways and even accepted his old self as him and that he hadnt changed at all when it wasnt true, it was his hollywood lifestyle again and how he deals with it and his mindset there is that he most likely hasnt seen his hollywood lifestyle as a bad thing
@@savannahm9943 when problems hit the door, you lose Your sense of justice and responsibilities. You get back to what your mind is habituated to make u feel good. Its all natural for this to happen, we can't blame bojack and say he lost all his progress, because he didn't. If he had then we wouldn't have the last episode go as the way it did.
He never properly dealt with his addiction to fame and it was his downfall. As soon as he felt like he was 'part of the conversation' again he reverted back to his old self.
i mean he was better, but he still had lots of toxic patterns, and him getting better doesn't unruin the lives of all the women he hurt. So the ending is happy in that he got what he deserved. His past actions caught up with him. That doesn't mean he can stop living though, as that would be the easy way out. It's a sad ending, but the right ending. It communicates that people are just the sum of their actions, and that even if your past actions were bad, and you're rightfully seen as a bad person, all you can do from here on is your best, every day. And people are going to keep hurting from what you did to them. Accepting that your past actions hurt people but that the past can't be changed is a part of becoming a better person going forward.
I thought Princess Carolyn was saying she wouldn't represent him when he's out of jail, because her own character arc had a lot to do with figuring out how she needed to balance work and life. We saw in earlier seasons how Bojack is unhealthy for her when he's in both parts, but her sticking up for him in this season shows that she wants to keep him in her life. So her decision is her way of keeping Bojack in her life, because it's either that or they just have a business relationship, and she prefers him as a friend.
exactly
Princess Carolyn is one of my favorite characters.
Princess Carolyne was basically saying “yes, we can be close. No, I will not work with you again.” That’s how I interpreted it.
This. She's finally separating personal and professional but she's not cutting him off. Healthy boundaries.
Bojack horseman is the greatest cartoon of all time and one of the best shows ever made MASTERPIECE
THANK YOU!
It feels hard to get anyone into it.
First season is rough.
@@breadchips4803 I agree. I meet people (rare) who've seen it and get my references, the rest know of it but won't watch it and at the same time keep asking me why I like it so much🙄 I remember the end of the first season, seeing it for the first time. I was just frozen for maybe 5 minutes, like what did I watch. Then, I started the second season. 1000+ rewatches later...that was 3 to 4 years ago!
Batman TAS is the best cartoon for me! Bojack is one of them
It's definitely top 5.
To me Princess still wants to be part of his life but as friends, and not as a project or a business way.
Like long distance friends who still see each other in person from time to time. But not work alongside him like before.
PC leaves the door open in a very interesting way. She pretty much explicitly reconnects with BoJack and cuts him off as a client at the same time. She definitely wants to put a healthy distance between them, but doesn’t necessarily want him straight up out of her life. I think she’s playing her cards carefully, so she can make any definitive decision later, if she needs to.
Bojack Horseman will always be one of my all time favorite adult cartoon shows, just as Bojack himself will always be my favorite anthro cartoon horse.
Same
That’s not saying much
What makes Fritz the Cat and Duckman no different?
After all that, the Netflix cartoon about a drunk, talking horse did a far better suicide prevention message than 13 Reasons Why.
Thank you BoJack Horseman! You changed media, even if you weren't meant to run forever!
this is what happen when you don't use serious issue only for chock value
He's tired of running in circles
All I remember from 13 reasons why, was from accounts of people talking about it, and honestly the girl who offed herself first season, did it for the pettiest of reasons.
Just one poem is far better whole series of 13 reasons why
They each had their own special ways to conveying the message to different groups (young vs older). I personally resonated with 13 reasons why as a depressed teen surrounded by terrible people so yes, it was real to me. So was BoJack Horseman. Instead of everyone hating on a show just because it's fun to hate, leave us who like it alone.
the 17 minutes he spent covering his tracks were for nothing, they still found out what he did and he was punished for it, if bojack have taken sarah lynn to the hospital right away, he would still go to jail with a reduced sentence and sarah lynn might be alive
I think maybe he even wouldn't go to jail. Sarah Lynn could even dont remember who gave her the heroine or she wouldn't want tell police Bojack did that. Maybe she would go back on rehab and start Architecture on University, maybe Bojack would go to rehab with her, and fix his life. Bojack is so suicidal and he insist he "doesn't care about his life" but in crisis he was doing everything to protect himself from consequences, it's so weird. (sorry for my english)
I feel like sarah lynn wouldnt blame anything on bojack cause she already had an addiction before he came along
@@charlizetrinity534 the doctors would still find drugs in her body and officer fuzzyface would come to face the music
@@pandathelibrarian3053 yet penny could tell that bojack and sarah lynn were acting weird, they could have tracked the call that sarah lynn made to her mom and officer fuzzyface could have come to face the music, pete repeat would still tell hollyhock what bojack did in the prom
It is in season 3 bojack. In that season, bojack is very focus in his reputation. He don't want for everybody to see him as criminal.
I choose to read PC's line, "I can recommend some excellent people" as genuine. I read it as she's willing to help Bojack and does still love and care about him on some level, but that she's learned now that she also needs to set healthy boundaries with him.
So she's not going to be his manager anymore but she'll help him get set up with someone skilled and PC might check in with Bojack and that new person from time to time. But Pc has her own life with a family and she can't take time away from them to take care of Bojack forever.
Imagine if PC sets BJ up with Vanessa Gekko. Now that would be good character development for her!
All this reflects is how everything can end at any moment, all of life becoming a series of vague memories, resolution or no resolution, it doesn't matter
But it does, what you chose to do matters. Not for others but for yourself. Not in a selfish way but it was the thing that was most, honestly horrible for an ending for Bojack is that there's no support and while it makes it hopeful. Having done AA type groups, it's less than half the journey without guidance. It doesn't matter how honest you want to be, especially for someone that was raised in such a narcissistic you don't just stop being narcissistic. Bojack needs a sponsor, a therapist or a counselor to work with. It's the largest disappointment that we don't see that recovery, honest recovery.
It matters at the time, and it’ll matter in the next life.
Since Bojack had that dream before, that probably means he was close to over-dosing/dying those nights too
But he also mentioned that he usually wakes up after the dinner party. This was the only time he was there long enough to see the show.
I think Bojack has simply had the dream a lot in general without being close to an OD. He mentions having the dream even when he was in rehab and sober to Dr Champ. It seems to just be a coping mechanism and I like to imagine every time Bojack wakes up in the intro for the show he's waking up from that same dream. Note the perspective of the dream has Bojack facing the camera down the table of guests of people who has passed on in his life and the intro of the show always has Bojack waking up looking at the camera in that same perspective all while the rest of the world passes by him until he winds up in the pool at the end.
Remember when he rammed his car into oncoming traffic to get more painkillers? He probably had the dream then.
oh jeez
I'm certainly hoping this isn't "so long. Farewell. Auf wiedersehen." Ive enjoyed and reflected through your thoughtful, introspective discussions too dang much.
G'day, Strider!
Hello, Strider!!! :D
I was really sad with the ending cuz of how he lost everything from his whole career including diane. But what made it ok for me is thinking about what Cuddlywhiskers said. " only after you give up everything can you begin to find a way to be happy." Now that he lost everything he can start building his life over. Better.
That quote from cuddlywhiskers is probably my second favourite quote bojack horseman the first being "everyday it gets easier."
Thanks for reminding me about that quote, before I felt bad because despite all his efforts to become a better person almost all his loved ones abandoned him in the end so all he did was useless. But now I imagine him ending in a mindset similar to Cuddlywhiskers, finding true internal peace and it create an actual bitter sweet ending instead of a sad one.
A lot like the quote from fight club: “It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.”
He'll just mess things up again
I’ve had experiences of Bojacks in my life and sometimes the only way you can help yourself is to cut them out of your life. And it’s horrific for all involved, but in the end if two people’s paths are on conflicting roads, you can’t both go at the same time.
When Diane have to leave L.A/ BoJack In the finale in order for her to be happy , reminded me back during the beginning of the show. I’m talking about s1ep5 when Diane tells the real reason why she left Boston/ her family an never look back. Both the place and the people she dealt with ( let’s say 18 years) were toxic for her leaving her no choice but to run away and to never look back. This is what she is doing with BoJack/ L.A both the place and person she was with for so long was toxic if Environment for her. Those leaving her no choice but to “ run away and to never look back.”
it is safe to say that hollyhock will never forgive bojack and she wont say he is her brother because herb didn't mentioned that connection and when herb said that bojack is husband of noone and father of noone that we know of, he regrets never having a family of his own but at the same time he could be father of children he never cared to meet or be part of his life
Hollyhock and Bojack never really had a lot in common and there is a huge age difference between the two. You certainly can get families with large age gaps that are close but Hollyhock never grew up with Bojack in her life and she has no obligation to stay connected with him just because they're related. She probably realised how toxic he was and felt it was better to cut ties with him for her own wellbeing, she isn't responsible for him.
She might reach out to him after he finished his sentence but that's entirely upto her and she doesn't need to do it. I'd like to think she might check up on him after some time even if it still doesn't lead to them maintaining a connection but it's completely understandable if she never wishes to see him again.
@@caldw615 would she think that bojack almost drown because she didn't answered his calls and he went suicidal because of his almost none existant morale?
is not her responsability or her fault if bojack dies because of that but she might feel like it
@@vaultshadow Honestly if I was the last member of someone's family and I decided to cut him off my life simply because I heard he did bad things in the past I would feel extremely guilty. Not because it would be my fault but because I had the possibility to save him and instead I decided to abandon at the worst possible moment.
I believe that Bojack has BPD. I have it too and while I'm no psychologist, Bojack displays all the symptoms. He's terrified of abandonment and goes to drastic lengths to not lose people, like what he did to Todd's rock opera, he goes from loving his friends to treating them badly (especially PC), he's sexually impulsive, prone to drug abuse and displays suicidal tendencies. Watching it I felt a real connection to Bojack, and that shit hit right in the feelings.
I have it and I felt the same while watching the show.
Nope NPD
You believe wrong. Don't play pretend doctor, mental health is not a game. Leave the diagnosing to the professionals.
@@beabea5985 Hes a fictional character lol
Yeah this came to my mind also.. dont know much about it tho
Princess Caroline didn’t accept the offer because it was solidifying that their relationship is no longer professional. It is solely a personal relationship, a friendship. It is the new blank slate for them. A new chapter for them. The ability for them to love and care for each other outside of the professional realm.
Idk if anybody ever mentioned this but. I find it interesting that Diane didnt want kids but ended up being a step mom.
I mean, being a step-parent to a teenager that mostly lives with the other parent is a different situation to being directly responsible for a kid since birth.
She did say that if she would want to adopt a teenager
She wanted a teenager she can finance art school for or something
Anyone noticed that the reason Sarah Lynn was at the front door with Bojack was because she was DEAD ON ARRIVAL?!?
And bojack brought Sarah Lynn into her death.
GENIUS.
The moment the bottle entered his hand at the end of that episode, my heart sank SO much.
I like to think of the final lesson being "You can't run away from your past." Even if you change for the better, even if you turn your life around, the consequences of your past WILL eventually catch up with you. And the worse they are, the worse they'll effect you.
Bojack may have learned but he scarred so many people. He tried covering up his past and his worst deeds but eventually, they were revealed. And once they were seen he was effected as badly as the rest of the people he hurt were.
And I think that's fair. There are people who are sad because we've seen Bojack in a positive light and we WANTED him to get better... but we also saw how his actions hurt so many people like Gina, Pete, Pemmy and Sarah Linn. And maybe he will never truly move on UNTIL he is properly punished for it.
It's not enough to keep apologizing over and over again. At some point you MUST take responsibility for your actions. And in a weird way, that's what this final season was about. Bojack finally taking control and responsibility of his actions.
Pemmy?
Never thought I'd see another Shady Bojack video. I'm so happy.
Todd's Hokey Pokey speech is honestly very inspiring.
"Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences."-Robert Louis Stevenson.
The way I took the PC recommending excellent people is a callback on the restaurant episode and always coming to save the day. So she may be serious about not taking the job, but in a good way
Sorry but how is it a callback?
As bittersweet endings go, I don't think any show has ever hit me as hard as the final scene between Diane and Bojack.
The ending killed me I loved this show and thought bojack was finally going to be happy but sadly it all went south
Not really, his life kinda found the middle of it all. Hes doing time for his actions and lost some people. But hes taking responsibility and some of the people stayed with him despite his toxic behavior. Its an example of " you cant have your cake and eat it too" he had everything he wanted in life but in the end his actions forced him to.have to let some of his comforts go. Like how he had to let diane go despite her being one of his go to comforts. His life is neither black nor white, its in the grey area.
I felt like you at first but someone above mentionned Cuddlywhiskers quote "only after you give up everything can you begin to find a way to be happy." Now I believe Bojack will find internal peace and be happy just like Cuddlywhiskers, he kinda started the same journey by helping other inmates with his acting lessons similar to Cuddlywhiskers helping drugs addicts.
No, I don't look at it that way. Just because Diane wasn't in his life anymore didn't mean "it all went south" for him. Bojack doesn't have any more secrets. All the crappy stuff he has done is out in the open; he's answered for it by losing his money, his house, what reputation he did have, and he served prison time. Now he's in the perfect position to start over. I like to think he got a new agent, maybe a gig doing comedy in Vegas or Reno- away from Hollywoo.
The final test that we must face in order to see if we indeed really changed: Our past
Hollyhock cutting Bojack off hurt the most, regardless of Bojack's actions, it hurt to see the person he cared the most about just leaving.
I just notice his chair look like the inside of a coffin, the head seat wow
good observation. I don't know why most people think he made it alive. he's clearly dead.
@@MrBlue-me9cd i don’t think he died, if he died that would diminish the meaning of the show
They took the Hokey Pokey and turned it to some deep philosophy. Wow that is some fabulous writing. So damn simple and yet so deep. Man that got me. Wow.
“Wouldn’t it be funny if this was the last time we talked to each other?”
The scene were BoJack talks to Diana on the phone always makes me cry
her voice was quite warm
Great vid. I think that what Princess Carolyn said to Bojack, that she can reccomend some great ppl, was indeed a rejection, but one that comes from a place of kindness and wanting to help bojack while acknowledging that it's bad news for them to work together directly
don't you think diane was the only one who cared that bojack almost drowned? i get that everyone else tried to stay strong for him to not remind him of that ordeal and/or just wanted to live in the moment of princess carolyn's happily ever after but diane is the only one who mentions that incident, bojack's inner circle and everyone else were not even the slightliest supportive about his fragile state of mind, sad dog happened to bojack for real and for worse
what would hollyhock, bojack's students, gina, kelsey, penny and charlotte think about it?
Nobody but Diane knows it was Bojack trying to end things because Bojack specifically told her. To everyone else, it just looks like Bojack had a relapse and wound up almost dead. Considering the Bojeebies kid is the victim, no one would even think to ask about Bojack's mental state.
@@ShadyDoorags even so i would expect peanutbutter to be the only one to act like this, diane could have asked everyone else to be supportive, knowing bojack he is the most suicidal of them
perhaps hollyhock could come to think that this happened because she didn't answered his calls and penny think she pushed him to the edge, everyone else in that moment can think he deserved to almost drown
bojack right now is in the meh
eric tatemura It’s actually extremely gross that the show overlooked bojack being pushed to the point of suicide. That everyone who made his life a living hell didn’t even care after a week which is reality or even attempt to hear him out. In fact Diane even chastises him for him saying since she didn’t answer he’s going to kill himself, I just imagine being in that state he was in, and how she didn’t answer his call like everyone else didn’t it was the end for him, she was the last person that kept him alive and not hearing her respond made him give up, instead she gets mad at him for him having that power over her that she felt responsible. How about instead Diane you get over yourself and realize your friend wanted to kill himself after the whole world turned his back on him, including you. Making someone promise they’ll be okay despite knowing the kind of person he was like she had any right to that promise being true, that was a shitty promise no one should be asked to say. Does she need to be back in his life? No but her words on the rooftop really do anger me, not once did she or anyone else ever think what it would be like to be in that situation, deserved or not, especially after seeing him try to be better and have it all taken away, I don’t care who you are I think most people would’ve went for a swim that night, had nothing to do with you Diane, you just happened to be the last person he believed would be there for him and you weren’t, that hurts when you are hoping someone will save you but doesn’t.
Was it right for bojack to call her and make her feel that way? Of course not, but for the show to overlook his suicide attempt was kind of bullshit, not to mention the way he was saved was really lame as well.
I always envisioned this show would end with Bojack attempting suicide and Hollyhock saving him, all this happens, but she teaches him who gives a shit what random people think that because he ended up being good to the people around him towards the end of season 6 part 1 that people learn not to just trust the media or the mob mentality, and that they’ll forget in five minutes, showing how stupid Hollywood and the media are. That he doesn’t have to keep dancing for people anymore, instead of worrying about what other people think worry about the ones around you that you care about as at the end of the day they are the only ones who really matter.
I love the part with Todd and PC in the final episode but I will always hate Diane and Mr. PBs endings. Most importantly I will always hate the ending Bojack himself got, to me the real ending for this character will be season 4, him doing something selfless for hollyhock that wouldn’t benefit him in anyway was the true beautiful moment for the character. The rest just seems like a reboot with people using the show to tell a message that wasn’t their from the start, is it bad? No, in fact 5-6 have amazing moments but it was just rushed at the end of the day.
@@joro8693 that is a good resolution, but i meant in a personal level, after rehab, bojack stopped caring about rising on top and humbled himself to accept the life he could have, the wrecking ball smashes what he built and he is now afraid that no matter how much he tries to build himself up, it will tear apart again
and i cared more that bojack's inner circle care about his well being because he needs it more, everyone else got fine without him
eric tatemura see that’s what I thought the damn bojack balloon was about, how you can blow yourself up to be this big amazing person but no matter what all it takes is one mistake for your reputation to go away and for it to pop.
Life is a never ending show and all that, I thought the show was going to end with Bojack just getting over his hate from people who don’t know him and focuses on being good to his inner circle, but they are all gone now and the ending just showed the worst about hollywoo with no one even caring about bojack despite hating him not too long ago and even has bojack wanting to go back to acting because of it, showing he hasn’t learned a damn thing about getting away from hollywoo.
I also have to say, “sometimes life sucks and you keep living” is a horrible meaning to a show and really just shows look I know life sucks but all we can do is live in it and turn ourselves around whenever bad things happen. Over and over and over and over again. Even though bojack did exactly that only for every good thing to be ripped away from him turning him into that person everyone wanted him to be without even giving a proper resolution like with hollyhock, the letter was lazy writing and hollyhock deserved a much better ending.
In the final episode he even says he’s afraid to leave prison because he’d rather stay then deal with the outside world. How sad is that?
I mean he should be afraid, he did his best to move away from all of it and it ruined every relationship he had. He doesn’t even have an inner circle anymore, outside of Mr PB. There’s also PC who now has a husband and kid where he was invited to a fake wedding (that was kinda shitty of her) where everyone pretty much said goodbye to him and he goes back to prison knowing he’s never going to see Diane again because of his own actions of trying to kill himself and how he should feel bad about that, I hated the scenes between Diane and bojack in seasons 5 and 6, she had a good individual ending but her ending with bojack was bullshit. There is so much stuff he never dealt with. Still blows my mind how some people see this as a good ending for the character, imagine going to a wedding where you are excited to see the people you care about only to learn that you will barely ever see them again and how they are much better without you after seeing them after your lowest point. By the way he has no money, a horrible shot at getting any job, especially if he wants to teach. He even says he’s afraid to leave prison, that’s how low his life is, he’s afraid of dealing with the outside world and I honestly can’t blame him. Especially finding out that after the outrage that ruined his life no one even remembers or cares anymore.
Ugh the ending to this show makes me sick to my stomach at times over how depressing his ending was. I love dianes ending of getting over herself and just being a writer, but I hated how their “friendship” ended. “You promised me you’d be fine”, go fuck yourself diane and anyone else who ever thinks they can ask someone to just be okay over a promise despite all that happened and using it as ammo to make them feel shitty. Ugh fuck that last episode. Would’ve actually been more powerful if it ended at 11 and 12 was a fake out where it’s just all black. People say killing himself would’ve been “too dark” but anyone who says that really did not pay attention to the ending and what it meant for the future of all the characters.
Your video helped me come to peace with this show ending. I was so upset when it finally did, but
It was nice while it lasted.
that quote you said "but my happily forever after brain" and that's really what the writers wanted us to learn from. that there is no happily ever after, you just end up living or dying
If that's what the writers wanted us to get, that is a lie. Yes, you keep living your life and yes there will always be struggles, but to say there is no happily ever after is false. There are people living happy lives. They wake up everyday loving the life they have. It's not an easy life to get, but it is possible.
This show gut punched me so bad. Aside from my own mistakes not involving anyone, it really made me face the hardship of letting go of people. Letting go of my ex for example. It’s hard to think that some of your last moments with a person are truly the last moments. That you two can and will probably go on living your lives with everything you’ve done together being a distant memory. A story you briefly tell someone of your future (like kids or grandkids).
A part of you even wishes you could meet them again as you are now but as the show mentioned through Diane, you wouldn’t be who you are without them.
I think being conscious creatures is our big double edged sword. On the one hand it allows us to engage in acts outside of immediate instinct and resonate with the meaning in things (albeit subjective and not necessarily determined) but also it forces most of us to come to terms with the harsh reality that despite all of this, people will come and go. Experiences come and go. Living life is learning not just to cherish the experience, but also to let it go.
It’s hard when you sit at night, smoking your blunt, and reminiscing over those key good times. It’s hard knowing that your past fear of those grand times ending are now the present realization. It’s now your job to find solace and meaning and meaning in what’s at you present doorstep n
With the show's Creator admitting that he wanted to do more stories with BoJack Horseman, it would not surprise me if they did a spin-off series or even a Revival season. If they do, I would not be surprised if it would be starting with bojack's sister, hollyhock. What are your thoughts about a spin-off series starting hollyhock? Plus, what stories would You like them to explore that never was in the series?
Seeing Butterscotch's upbringing would have been nice.
I think that Bojack and PC's relationship improved and they both understand that it is better to be represented by someone else, I think they both understood that and that their relationship ended well because of how they see each other
Well I thought I already good understanding of the finale of the "Bojack Saga". I found the episode with Angela that really kinda mind blowing moment that really speaks volumes that no matter the "what-ifs", you still made the decisions and did what they thought was right, whether for friendship or for business. Ultimately comes the consequences with how you deal with it.
I think Princess Caroline decline the offer to work with him but that she would still support him and be friends.
perhaps bojack had a mental fight between his atheism vs his desperation to believe in some kind of astral plane where he can find peace, also that bojack's eyes dilated when beatrice was eaten by the tar, he genuinely felt distraught for her and wanted her to find peace
The ending hit me so hard. Around the time of watching someone I was with for a few years decided we were toxic for one another and while true it's one of the biggest losses of friendship I've ever experienced in my life. Watching Bojack go through something similar god it fucked me up.
I genuinely can't finish the series because it triggers the shit out of depression and suicidal ideation but with videos like these, It’s like I'm watching it, without the bad parts
one thing i really like about Princess Carolines arc is she finally was able to keep her personal and business life separate by the end of the series. so i saw their last conversation as, she will stay connected to him, but bc of how much shes grown, she cant represent him at all.
that moment when Todd is the one who perfectly explained the finale
I also thought that the “I can recommend some excellent people” was her talking about herself since the first time I saw the episode. I was pretty surprised that on all of the videos I’ve watched you’re the only one to address that possibility
These times have had me really down, even anxious... and depressed. And your video really gave a little bit of hope. I needed a reminder that life is a bitch and then you keep living. Thank you.
You ok?
@@tintinhelicopter2677 I just saw your comment, sorry for not answering earlier. And, to answer your question, kind of. My emotional well-being is pretty much a rollercoaster, so I feel really good and then bad again, and sometimes really really bad until I feel good again. Tbh, it's exhausting.
Yuri but I’m glad to know that you’re being honest with yourself.
@@tintinhelicopter2677 Thank you :) It's nice of you to worry about me even though I'm a stranger on the internet, haha.
"Lied about 'getting' Radiohead"... Just saw that for the first time.
This show is truly beautiful and powerful it just showcases the human condition better than ANYTHING I’ve ever seen
We all need a friend like Mr. Peanutbutter.
I believe that PC meant by "I can recommend some excellent people" That she would continue to be a personal friend of Bojack, but would no longer work for him professionally.
This show will be remember being a masterpiece
Wow great video of "turning yourself around", it really clicks at the end of the video.
This show has had more significant impact on me than any other.
The realest thing I’ve heard from this season what’s what Angela Diaz said, oof that hit different.
if Bojack can have so many opportunities tomake amends with people in life, I think I at 38 can start making amendments without dragging so many people down with my shit. Therapy, sobriety and a stable mind are no longer things I fear and see them as boring. Mental stability is something we can all achieve and strive for in a world that glorifies people descending into hell and toxicity.
BJ and the choices their friends make help get this point across.
what always intrigued me is one of the reasons bojack is so unhappy is that he knows just how bad all of his actions is he just can't stop himself
*sobs to the tune of Mr. Blue*
Dude i only recently started watching your channel, but I love the introspective nature of these reviews
10:10 I had to pause it right at the credits before starting the next episode, that stare sent shivers down my spine. Easily one of the darkest moments on television.
Are we sure Todd still wants to be his friend? The part where they both say "It's was nice while it lasted" always sticks out to me, in universe they're just referencing to Todd actually sounding smart for a bit but is there any subtext for Todd and Bojack not seeing each other after this but are on good terms? While the Diane situation is a little more sad.
I thought of that as a meta-line referencing the fact that the show had come to an end
I love the show but Sarah Lynn Should have been held accountable for her own actions as a full grown adult over 30 years, nobody obligate her or had her at gun poin to consume drugs at the point of overdosing, Bojack was partly responsable for not calling help sooner ,but her demise was the result of her awful life decisions and the path she chose. She could have chosen not to hang out with Bojack specially not having sex with him, she could have chose not to do drugs or keep herself sober after rehab. She could had chosen a better way. Everyone is responsible for their own happines and their own lives.
Trauma does horrible things to you.
@@a.ro5 trauma did horrible things to Bojack but he’s still held responsible for his actions
@@ChumbiShema Yeah but he was the adult in their relationship. He was her father figure. Bojack knew better, Sarah Lynn didn't. She was in this terrible headspace of drugs and alcohol at a very young age and she was molested by her step-father, so she unconsciously saw that as something normal. She wasn't taught otherwise and nobody bothered to actually try and get her therapy.
Of course Sarah Lynn does bear some responsibility for her actions, but it’s important to note how significant Bojack‘s actions were to her, just as Bojack‘s parents affected him.
@@a.ro5 couldn’t you pretty much say the exact same thing about Bojack? When Sarah dies she’s an adult and should be held responsible for what she did
This dude is like ending explained, instead of actually watching the show for the experience, I'm watching him for a detailed evaluation of the show or episode.
«life i b*tch and then you keep living»
The whole moral of the show csn bee summed up as "turn yourself around, and keep going."
The craziest thing about the show is you know you should hate Bojack but you can’t, he is truly a product of shitty environment and upbringing and he tried to do the best he could, he just unfortunately couldn’t see the damage he did until it was too late.
Yeah exactly. He’s done so many horrible things but I can’t help but just feel so sorry for him. Like it’s what he deserves but damn 😭
Bojack horseman is basically a huge essay on the hokey pokey, making it deep.
You do the Hokie-Pokie, and you turn yourself around... That's what it's all about!
Only Bojack can make the hokey pokey deep!
I never understood why choked Gina wasn’t on the whiteboard
It was. He just wrote "Gina", and we know what it means.
@@alexvaughan1013 oh thanks I didn’t see that
Sometimes life's a bitch, but you SHOULD keep on living.
In other news, I just realized Sarah Lynn's ringtone is Literally from Don't stop Dancing 😭
I'm just gonna point out how nice Bojack's penmanship is ☺
15:44 was the most hard hitting line for me in the entire series. I actually cried.
Watching this video kept me from self deletion 3 years ago 😅
My thoughts are this:
Mr. Peanutbutter learned he didn't need a relationship to be happy and could do just fine alone.
Todd learned to put his childish behavior into something constructive (daycare).
Princess Carolyn got her dream of having a child and getting married, even if it's not the traditional way.
Diane learned that she didn't need to be the next Sylvia Plath to make a difference with her writing.
BoJack lost everything but found himself.
I still haven’t watched the second half of the last season because I can’t take the finality of it all. I started hijacker’s horseman during my first year of college when it came out with my girlfriend at the time and every year I looked forward to the next season of the character that I connected with so much. But at a certain point I realized that although I learned a lot of lessons from the show it was time to start using them because I was at a dark time and a sort of crossroads. Life’s better these days but I still hold out hope for a real happy ending for myself so I’ve stopped where bojack is at his happiest.
Just like bojacks feeling of finality with Hollyhocks letter
it even occured to me and that maybe ms. diaz was calculating the potential profits if she were to push him over the edge and he died, but idk if even she's ythat cold-hearted
Remember that licking frogs is a crime
“A King may move a man, a father may claim a son, but remember that even when those who move you be Kings, or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus." Or that, "Virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice. Remember that.”
~
King Baldwin IV, in Kingdom of Heaven
“Sometimes life’s a bitch, and you keep on living”
- Diane..Nguyen
Obviously.
9:23 He has a habit of fighting old ladies doesn't he.
Bojacks willpower was very impressive but loosing the one person who made him feel like a loved family member its understandable because she was basically a big support beam to his support system that was no longer there and made the building of his will crumble due to the loss.
Pool full of liquor and you dive in it.
What’s the point of the show? To over simplify it: life is so meaningless and painful, yet so priceless and beautiful.
I know the show has ended and i loved it. Part of me hopes we could see Bojack living with Mr Peanut Butter. Bojack has changed and is trying to make sure he does not repeat the past, Mr Peanut Butter going about on his usual antics and careers, while the two interact like a married couple, but are just best friends. Also Bojack needs a proper sponsor.
it terrifies me that we only have one shot at this and if you fuck up once your entire life is over
Yeah, I like to think Carolyn accepted but now Bojack understands and respects boundaries of others.
I can not forgive BoJack for killing Sarah Lynn. I can not forgive him for almost kissing or doing whatever with Penny. Because he had no regrets. He regretted being busted. He's an amazing written character, but he did not deserve a happy ending. He didn't do enough to fix himself.
...wait what? no, he did regret killing sarah lynn and the penny situation. yes, he got caught, but at the moment, he was changing for the better and was actually a good person for once. if you watched all of bojack horseman, i thought you would've watched "stupid piece of s***".
and i personally don't think that bojack being alive is a happy ending: it's an ending that doesn't give any closure to bojack. because he doesn't deserve it. i'll explain this a little later, got something to do atm
@@sidneywade2454 He left her to die. He left her for 14 minutes and walked away and continued his life, only really thinking about it and regretting it once the reporters got wind of it. He went on, got a new job and enjoyed life, knowing that he decided it was better to let Sarah Lynn die alone and act like he found her, than call the ambulance and try to save her. If he regretted it, he'd have done something about it. I watched the whole show but I don't agree that he changed.
I agree that this wasnt necessarily a happy ending, this was more a statement to other people in the comments saying he deserved a 'happier ending'. This was the perfect ending in my opinion. Him dying would tell us that killing yourself fixes shit, but "life is a bitch and then you keep living, right?"
@@BrainFreezeWave oh, okay, i understand. i often see a lot of comments on how bojack deserved to die for all he'd done, and i'm sitting here like, "HAVE YOU NOT PAID ANY ATTENTION TO THE SHOW, YOU ABSOLUTE MORON? YOU EEDIOT!"
also, while i do understand why you're mad at bojack for killing sarah lynn (trust me, i'm still mad at him for that), i think that saying bojack never changed is incredibly dishonest.
for example, in the final episode, nice while it lasted, when bojack and diane talk and bojack says, "wouldn't it be funny if this was the last time we ever spoke to each other?" and diane looks at bojack with a saddened look, bojack is (understandably) saddened as well. but he... still lets her go.
the old bojack would've probably made an awful, morally wrong scheme to get her back, just like how he ruined todd's rock opera to get him back in his house and not feel alone again. but here, he doesn't, and i personally think that's a FANTASTIC development for bojack. but he still needs to improve more and more in order to be an overall better person.
again, i understand if you hate bojack as a person, because he still killed sarah lynn, 17 minutes or not. but bojack horseman (the show, not the character) is not about good guys or bad guys. it's about guys trying not to do bad things.
I see myself in BOJACK, Diane, Mr Peanut butter and Princess Carolyn and I guess Todd too, oddly enough.
Bro love ur content so much
I'm having a sick day so I'm wrapped in blankets drinking Sprite. I just discovered your channel and it's like I have a friend talking about my favorite programs with me. Or maybe it's the fever. Is there a Peggy video..
Also, ironically, permanent markers can be erased by dry erase markers. Yeah, I have a temperature of 103.
I uh... Wow... This was an amazing video. New sub. Gonna binge watch now. Gracias
but is still a good reason for PC to leave bojack because he never learns if she keeps cleaning up his shit, this time it was best for bojack to take the training wheels off
his hubris was his downfall i guess. i wonder though in situations like this, what are the appropriate consequenses? if you cant change the past, and trying to be better doesnt work, what then? i will say tho he shouldve appreciated mr peanutbutter more my boy did nothing wrong