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28:08 lost it when you were doing that mission using the mine cart because that was my favorite mission of the whole game when I was in 8th grade 😭😭
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Could you do Fallout New Vegas
Tbf you could say the same about John as you said about Arthur, he's a horrible man and the good he does do doesn't make up for all the horrible shit he did in the gang.But I think the fact both of them tried to be better is what makes them good. In the words of Paarthunax " which is greater, to be born good or over come your evil nature through great adversity?" Id also heavily disagree with you that low honor is the cannon ending, Kicking out Strauss resets your honor to neutral and shortly after you get TONS of chances to boost your honor such as the Downes family, the couple you meet and wiping away the debts and all of those get you insanely high honor ontop of it Arthur does a loving and honorable act in saving John or even going to get the Money ( John needs the money to survive) and arguably in both has Johns needs in his mind. Arthur even has a turn around narratively after talking to the sister in the station. I think you are missing the point of rdr2's story. Rdr1 is about a man trying to escape his past, become a better man and live the family life. Rdr2 is about a blindly loyal man waking up the the reality of his leaders cruelty and corruption and seeing all the bad he has done following him and harboring deep regret and sorrow, realizing he got sick beating a man to death and resolving to become a better man through helping someone live the dream he always wanted ( helping john have a chance at a married life). Arthur embodies and believes this realization so deeply he literally kills himself fighting and pushing his body to its absolute limits while likely in absolute agony just to do what he thinks is right, Micha in the good ending didnt kill Arthur nor did the beating he got, exhaustion did his body finally gave out after all the pushing Arthur did hence the like John: " Come on Arthur, keep pushing" Arthur: " Nawh, I-I think I've done pushed enough" also neither Arthur or John are ruthless and through out RDR2 Arthur expresses his intense distaste for Strauss' money lending and how it takes advantage of people, his grief of how angry he gets and the things he does while angry and how he hates killing for no reason, Arthur also has ALWAYS doubted Dutch from day one as early as Colter he was just much more meek and didn't push the subject when fought
I think if rdr1 had been the second game our John wouldn’t be as good as mean n such
The problem with the low honor ending of RDR 2 is that it kind of drops the ball on the character of Arthur, he ends up being almost as bad as Micah whereas high honor shows what makes Arthur so interesting : he's a good man doing bad things, not out of malice but out of care and loyalty for his people.
As for the "the game naturaly shoves you to low honor"... If you skip all stranger missions in chapter 4 and 6 sure. But chapter 6 is the point where Arthur is disconnecting from Dutch and the game showers you non stop with high honor points because once he starts acting on his own, outside of Dutch's influence, he can be his true self.
As Mary Linton, the love of his life and probably the person who knows his inner self best says "There's a good man in there, fighting with a Giant".
Agreed. I just recently found out Chapter 6 awards your Honor by 1.5x so the game itself gives you every chance at raising your honor
Also you can just fish and always let the fish go, gives you honor everytime lol
Couldn't have said it any better
I didn't think about this until just recently, but I think the type of jobs the gang were up to in Blackwater at the start of RDR2 is very telling as well. Dutch and Micah are engaged in the ferry robbery, something that regardless of how well they pulled it off, would've probably still involved someone getting killed, most likely in the getaway. Whereas Hosea and Arthur were up to a real estate scam, something that if done well, probably wouldn't have involved any bloodshed.
Thinking about this gave me the feeling that Arthur is someone who, unlike Micah, never just kills for the sake of killing or the enjoyment of it. Arthur did say he's killed people, but I get the sense, and even throughout the game's story itself, that he doesn't do so lightly. He would only do so in a form of self-defense, whether it be to himself or to the gang he calls family. I think that "Advertising - The New American Art" is a good example, where when what seems like an easy scam turns dangerous with the Lemoyne Raiders, Arthur is quick on the draw to not just defend himself, but Hosea as well. And when people do die under his watch, he has genuine reactions to it, whether be shock or sadness or even guilt.
Plus, I wouldn't think a completely bad man through to the core, would have the kind of relationship hinted between him and Mary. If he was truly a rotten, bad person, Mary would have never written for his help in Jamie, because why would you want to dredge up someone from your past that was a completely bad and violent person? It would be the same as asking Micah for help instead...
Yeah it’s just a fun alternate ending. Not meant to be taken seriously. Good ending is of course cannon
It's really interesting that you pointed out how John is rarely ever portrayed in a leadership role, but when he is he excells at it. I seem to remember a camp conversation between John and Dutch in RDR2 where Dutch claims that John doesn't have the "grit" to make the tough calls, but here in RDR1 we see just how wrong Dutch was.
YOU WANT TO BE THE GENERAL?! YOU DONT HAVE THE GRIT!
Grit? That what you call this?
John on his sigma grindset
Well John has True Grit the John Wayne way not shitty ass remake
One of the best encounters
@@thebandit0256 fuck that racist alcoholic. jeff bridges is the man.
I respectfully disagree with your opinion about the low honor ending being the likely destination to arthur's story, because unlike John whose journey to redemption was borne out of tbh selfishness(for himself and his family), Arthur's Journey was born out of a need for purpose, he saw his life coming to an end and wanted it to mean something, Arthur wasn't a bad man, he was a loyal man albeit in a misguided way, and he genuinely cared about the gang, sure he wasn't a "good man" at the beginning of the game but by the end he turned into one, that's why before the diagnosis you're just being told what to do, go beat up Mr downes etc., but after it you're given choices and an opportunity to look back on your past misdeeds and even to an extent fix them and help people, Arthur's Journey is one of the most poignant and thought provoking video game experiences ever, and sure the playing the low honor way is more liberating and fun in terms of gameplay, but isn't that life ? Taking the high road is often difficult and it's easier give into your bad tendencies
Absolutely agreed
Couldn’t have said it better
I kinda disagree. I prefer high honor but to quote a edgy movie for teens it only takes 4 or 5 moments to be a "hero"
I feel like even with low honor Arthur gets that even with just playing the main story
1. You help the German Family
2. You help Eagle Flies and Rains Fall
3. You rescue John
4. You rescue Abigail
5. You help John escape
Sure it's a feel good story that you help the needy and atone for all your sins but in the real world or in a natural story Arthur would probably be low honor.
Plus it doesn't make sense that John would never mention a high honor Arthur.
@@JozieXP the point about John not mentioning arthur is simply because arthur didn't exist at the time when rdr 1 was being made
Although I agree with you that johns search for redemption was rooted in selfishness (albeit for the good of his family), I believe that there is more substance in the story of someone who tries to change so that they may have a better life, than someone who changes because they suddenly see their life coming to an end. Since john didn’t need his looming death to seek redemption like Arthur did, I find his story much more compelling.
To be fair, Red Dead 2 did give you a bunch of opportunities for High Honor a little after the diagnosis. You have the Downes, the debt collections where you can choose to wipe away the debt, and then those lovers back in Rhodes.
Your honor is literally automatically set to neutral when you kick out Strauss
Yeah I think the "canon" honour in RDR 2 is that you are low honor mostly until the diagnosis before you see the error of your ways for the final 3rd of Arthurs story
@@TheTomgrindley yup - Arthur says it in the first mission in Valentine - that if the girls weren't with him, he would have robbed the guy whose horse runs away.
@@TheTomgrindley Canon honor in rdr2 is high honor they give you a massive boost of good honor towards the end of Arthur life
@@TheBirdThatWhistles that is actually not true Arthur likes to put on a facade of being a ruthless outlaw but the reality is that he feels guilt and wants to help people which is why he can't accept when people tell him he is a good man because of how bad their lifestyle is. Also when they started out the gang was more like robinhood in the beginning something that Arthur and hosea holds onto which is something that Dutch let go towards the end
@52:09
I think the reason the high honor ending is canon, but the high honor missions aren't forced is to highlight that you have to actually TRY to do good. It takes work and time and isn't always found on the beaten path
This is a better explanation than ive seen tbh, though i still feel its far more realistic that low honor is canon, especially because arthur had a good heart and soul deep down, but no matter how you spin it, he was a bad man. A small amount of time of goodness just cant erase a lifetime of bad.
@@rurounijay7100 in my opinion the "honor" doesn't define how good he was He was a theif, a murderer, but (if you did high honor) he did it with honor, not for personal desire, or cynicism, but thats what he though he had to do, his bad life isnt the same as his bad honor
@@rurounijay7100whether or not he was a bad man is irrelevant to the story. The fact that Arthur’s character and dialogue changes based on honor proves that high honor only changes how Arthur sees himself. If you finish the story with low honor, Arthur dies never knowing that he can be a good person. If you finish with high honor, he doesn’t need to be redeemed in anyone else’s eyes as long as he is at peace with who he is, and that is a good man who was fighting a giant.
@@nickm1234that isn’t completely true. I play the game everytime on low honor and he dies with knowing he gave his all to get the ones he loves out of there and succeeds he just is much less direct about how he is trying to change and it’s more up to the player to see it, and personally I like that more. Low and high honor Arthur aren’t that much different really at the end of the day in terms of character.
@cosmonauthal7651 I would say they are fundamental different. Arthur knows that he's not a good person and that he can't redeem himself he says it literally anybody calls him a good man. The thing is that if you play a high honor play through (or even a low honor play through) you'll see all the times that most of the time he makes the "good choice" when given the chance. He's been manipulated sense he was a child he, but he is naturally a caring person.
I always took John’s final Dead Eye not as a maybe we have a chance but as “I’m not going down easy” or “I’ll take down as many as I can before they take me”. To me, as soon as he peaked out and saw them he knew it was over. But he wanted it over on his terms, wanted to make sure Abigail and Jack wouldn’t be taken by the government again, like they might be if he ran away with them. John made the choice to end things at the barn, and end it how he wanted: as an outlaw
agree
Outlaws to the end ;)
Not as an outlaw bro but as a man making a necessary sacrifice to ensure the safety and benefit of his family 💯
i always though of it as John knowing he's going to die, so he wanted to push himself to the limit and see how good he really was
It almost seems like he's taking after Dutch in that scene. He's fighting a battle he knows he can't win, but he doesn't care. His only comfort is to take down as many of them as he can before he goes
“John is the only sane person in this game. Or insane, if you prefer.”
“Crazy straws. Or as I call them, straws.” - The Joker (sorry, I couldn’t resist)
In RDR2 it is important to remember that your honor rating affects more than just the ending. When you play Arthur with high honor he will often talk about protecting the women and johns family in many cutscenes but if you play with low honor then he will talk more about getting money and being selfish. Because you played him with low honor it did seem like the natural progression was an evil man and that it wouldn't make sense for him to be redeemed in only a few months but if you played him as high honor then the game naturally progresses more towards the high honor ending. Both endings are fair and I would never say one is more correct than the other (unless Rockstar states concretely which one is the canon ending) but if I had to choose which one felt better to see I would go with the high honor ending all day
But in my opinion
With how long Arthur rode with Dutch and probably killed and robbed, I just don't think he had enough time to be forgiven of his crimes from us
Let's say the game took place over years with arthur, then it would change
@@MarcusCollins69 While I can see where you're coming from the game does a great job of showing that Arthur isn't an evil man at heart but he's just a loyal man. He's follow Dutch for years and did whatever the gang needed done. From what I remember (been about a year or 2 since I played the whole story so sorry if this is wrong) there's never a moment where Arthur does more pain to others than what was needed except for those moments when you get to choose what you do. A good example is the start of the game where you get the choice of what to do with the O driscol that ambushes you in the barn. In chapter 4-6 you can see Arthur starting to disconnect from Dutch and he finally becomes/acts like he actually is instead of a blind dog just told what to do. At least that's how I understood it
I really love this entire video essay, but his opinion on Arthur and the low honor ending? That comes from flat out ignorance of not experiencing the game in high honor.
I wanna say probably like 90% of the people who played this game (and loved and appreciated it) would argue with you viciously about the idea of High Honor ending being the only way to play the game
Really taken aback by his garbage take on Arthur lol
Great vid nonetheless
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@MarcusCollins69
Then how can John be forgiven? He did the same things as Arthur did and stood with the gang until it fell apart. The only reason Arthur didn’t leave with him was that Arthur was literally dying. And Arthur can pretty much be played like a (mostly) kind human from the beginning.
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7:31 the writers for rdr2 thought of that. Theres a missable piece of dialogue in the epilogue of rdr2, where Jack and Abigail talk about Arthur for a brief moment, and Abigail goes, but John doesn’t like to talk about him, to which John replies, “the past is gone. We left that behind us.”
They had to. Arthur wasn't a character originally.
@@Micheal93k I know, I’m just pointing out that they gave some sort of reasoning as to why he wasn’t mentioned.
@@Micheal93k he actually was planned when rdr1 came out
@@SomeoneThatIsHappy no he wasn't but the main writer had him in mind while writing the first game.
John at the start of Red Dead Redemption was a family man with a past he wanted to leave behind.
John at the start of Red Dead Redemption 2 was a man who wanted to stay with his past with a family he wanted to leave behind.
I love Rdr2 because it shows us how John became how he is and I love Rdr because it shows us what John would do to stay how he is.
deep comment from someone with an interesting pfp lmao, but i fully agree!
John in rdr2: a guy with Arthur's model and black hair instead of brown
John in rdr1: a guy with brown hair and has his own body and badass personality
(These are actual issues with rdr2 but it's a joke)
@@Hamzaxx369 John and Arthur do not share a model at all, John is noticeably more scrawny than Arthur. If you need evidence there are mods that let you access John's clothes on Arthur and they clip through him a lot, mostly in his shoulders. Hell, they even have different gameplay animations like walking, running, etc.
@@Eleglas czcams.com/video/REl2sQvYCZQ/video.html
Just look at the thumbnail of this video.
@Pappa R. What’s your profile picture of
'Change is only good when it makes things better' by Bonnie at the very beginning is my favorite quote from the game.
Damn... True that
Arthur’s ending is 100% the high honour ending. Arthur is insanely loyal to the gang (“I would kill for it, I would happily die for it”) but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person. He does what he does because he loves his people and wants to provide for them and protect them. Which is why the high honour storyline with Arthur choosing to try and save as many of the gang as he can at the end makes so much more sense. He’s smart enough to see that Dutch is off the deep end and that people need to run or die.
At the end of the day, Jack became the man the whole gang never wanted him to be... like them
He became a writer though. So you're wrong
@@VincentMMALife oh yeah, that reference in GTA 5
@@VincentMMALife He didn't become a writer. GTAV is not canon to the rdr universe.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef He did though. Rockstar always has little secrets that add to the story. You aren't a rockstar fan😂
@@VincentMMALife It's been confirmed by R* that RDR and GTA don't take part in the same universe. So that book in GTAV doesn't confirm that Jack became a writer. He might have became a writer, but there's no proof to prove that theory.
As much as I love this game, part of me would love to see them remake this game in RDR2 as like DLC that can only be played once you finish the epilogue. The majority of the map is there and it may finally answer where john is coming from when he gets off his boat which is something that bothered me between realizing that if he was coming from his home to Blackwater, he would never step foot on that boat at the start..... hell he should be more familiar with the starting area of the game than he is.
Head Canon - He was taken to Sisika Penatory for trial then it was decided he was going to hunt down his former gang members and he was taken back
Nah rockstar only interested in milking gta online
@@noorulhasan4904 Its so sad that you are 100% true
I always just assumed that John, Abigail and Jack were all arrested and taken to either Saint Denis or Sisika, and then Ross decided to have John hunt down the old gang, so brought him back to Blackwater
My idea was Uncle was blackout drunk and John was away for some reason. Maybe getting things for his farm. Abigail and John are taken. John gets a telegram saying to come to Saint Denis. He travels there and is told to hunt down Bill, Javier and Dutch. This is where Ross and Archer take John and get on a boat and go to Blackwater. RDR1 starts.
I always thought that Marshal Johnson was a cool character, he's got class and a good head on his shoulders. It's too bad he didn't get more screentime.
I completely agree with this. He was a really great and fun character, along with his deputies. It's just a shame we only spent roughly 45 minutes of the game with them
I just want to preface this little rant with the fact that I respect your opinion, and that it shows RDR2s power that so many different people get so many different things out of the game.
While Arthur's honour goes low if one just plays the main story, if one does the side missions as well, it becomes high. This, in my opinion, represents Arthur's journey in the game. He steps outside of the gang, and begins to see his wrongdoings, highlighted by it's downward spiral. Those side missions introduced later in the game see Arthur doing far more honourable actions, rarely giving monetary rewards like those at the beginning. This is contrasted by the shooting-gallery nature of the later main story missions. I think that playing the main story only (which I did during my first playthrough), gives you only half of Arthur's journey.
However, you mentioned that the ammends Arthur tries to make at the end of the game do not atone for a life of murder, robbery, and general awfulness, and that the low honour ending is more realistic, and representative of the world we live in. Maybe it's just because I'm young and naive, but I find that a very pessimistic outlook. The high honour ending represents an optimistic outlook; that one should always make the effort to be a better person, no matter their past. That you shouldn't let who you were dictate who you are. One might call high honour Arthur a hippocrit for thinking himself above Micah and Dutch, but often a hippocrit is just a person who is in the process of changing. I prefer the high honour ending, as it is gives a message of hope and happiness, and I disagree that it is unrealistic, as Arthur still dies. It is representative of a world that is more hopeful than ours can seem at times, but still one that we live in none the less.
Great video, it helped me appreciate this game more than I did before.
this was so fucking well written and I enjoyed reading every word
i agree 100%. i'm very much happy to see someone likeminded on here for a change. i went through a terrible upbringing and could have easily become as bad, if not worse then the people who put me in those situations and pushed me to the ground. i still have lingering hate that influence me in very minor ways when i get emotional. but i ultimately chose to be a nice guy and help those that have it bad so that they maybe can stave off the hell that i call my childhood. you understand this, and i respect that in ways you may never think possible. you have my undying respect, and that is not something i say lightly, even on the internet.
Agreed. You went into all that effort and my reply is just a few words. How does it feel?
@@Tavemanic who hurt you lol
@@MPREGCOOKING it was in a comedic way
Interesting take on Dutch's death, I always figured that it was just him finally realizing that Arthur and Hosea were right all along, that they had plenty of chances to leave it all behind them and start anew but he simply chose not to out of ego or to continue living his western adventure. He finally realized that all of it was his doing, that the actions HE personally took brought the whole thing down, that he has nobody else to blame but himself. It might also be him admitting that he probably would have made the same choices if given the chance since his ,,nature" wouldn't have allowed him otherwise, basically telling us that the gang under his leadership was doomed no matter what. I still like your take, though.
the most brilliant thing about RDR1 when it came out, is that it was a narrative that had the ability to be read in multiple ways. now, even moreso, thanks to the context of RDR2
John could also be neutral or cold towards people constantly telling him their personal ideologies because he's heard it so much from Dutch Van Der Linde, and well, we see how that ended up the last time he fell for something like that.
Loved Mexico in this game, hope we eventually get an expansion for rdr2.
Infuriating they decided to focus on red dead online - Mexico and a rdr1 remake as dlc would have been incredible
@@jameshetherington1Yes it would have been nice wouldn't it.
Yea right
Rockstar making a story dlc? What are these the middle ages?
if r* wasnt so greedy we probably coulda
Ive watched the rdr2 one about 10 times!
try 15 times partner
Same but that also makes me think thats 10 hours of my life
Seeing your take on the ending you got with Arthur made me reflect even more on the beauty of rdr2. I had happened to become super connected and was dead set on him getting the high honor ending because it’s what I felt he deserved, and you having the low honor one had confused me. But hearing your take made me think even more about having other experiences with the game and how no matter what ending you get it will still fit you, because it reflects your play. Your videos continue to change my ability to appreciate story telling and I feel I’ve grown less narrow minded thanks to you. Know I appreciate it.
It’s true because I personally HATE the high honor route and the ending and love how the story is with him being “low honor”. I was shocked to see how many people do not feel this way but shows that like you said everyone experiences things differently and why these games are so amazing.
I'm relatively confident Mrs. Bush and her friend on the train are supposed to sound like hypocrites, not wise old ladies.
They're dressed like wealthy people, taking a train into "savage lands" full of poor Indians (their name for themselves, not mine, take it up with CGP Grey) and farmers and bandits, and they have the audacity to say "There are things money cannot buy." as rich people today often do to dismiss poor people's issues.
I always had a very similar interpretation
Yeah, they're definitely supposed to sound like snobs, saying that money can't buy class.
Isn't the next line about how the new governor is hillbilly trash?
I only played RDR1 after 2. I love how that one mission in 2's epilogue has John in the same pose as 1's cover art. And I think we can all agree that Landon Ricketts is the best character in the series. His line "I was the fastest in my time. I must've been. I'm the only one left" ties into that stranger mission in 2 where you duel the legendary gunslingers.
Agreed. I've always wondered the differences between those that played rdr2 to 1 and vice versa. Thing is I think it's prevalent to remember that the gunslingers side mission was a way to show how fame isn't always deserved even if it is given. The missions made sure to show that a few of the those gunslingers like Calloway, Granger and Midnight were not to be as big as they seemed might not have deserved the recognition they were awarded. But it also showed those that there were still a few of them that did deserve that fame they earned like Black Belle, Finch and Ricketts. Goes to show that whether or not Arthur/John killed those duelists, it might not have even changed who the top killers really were of their time.
That means arthur was better than him
@@935gamer If Arthur wasn't good enough to kill Micah, I doubt Arthur was better tha him. Half of those legendary gunslingers were frauds the in the first place.
@@935gamer Arthur is one hell of marksman but he's not good as Landon Ricketts
@@DvHarris-uw3ze Arthur was nearly dying when he was fighting Micah and he still was able to put up a good fight. If he was in good health he would absolutely beat the shit out of Micah
Interesting detail I never noticed before; in the train cutscene intro, Bonnie is on the train! For some reason she switches seats too, first she’s sat with a guy behind those two old ladies, then is later in the cutscene sat in front of Jenny and that man.
44:20
No no that was your playthrough
Disappointed you didn't mention the Strange Man but that's for *us* to enjoy I guess
I don’t think he even know who is Sister Calderon is
I know you, John.
@@dylanbunnell299 Probably, since he didn't do the Stranger missions and didn't do a second playthrough for the high honor experience. So he definitely missed out on the iconic "I'm afraid" line.
That one line "money can't buy everything." Insane how that is exactly the lesson Dutch learned at the end of RDR2 so much so he left behind 40k and walked away from basically 1.32 million dollars in current USD.
I grew up on a piece of land that was beautiful, I learned how to really live without modern amenities. We left it when I was young when my parents divorced, now it has a neighborhood on top of it. I fully understand the “I am against civilization” part of the game, since I’ve had my home destroyed by it.
6:26 I mean, married businessmen going on "business" trips to get some from a prostitute & pressuring the new guys to do the same is basically cliche at this point.
It's still a thing.
The Gatling gun in the cart was also probably a reference to the Trojan Horse, like what Dickens kept referencing
This is my all-time favorite game; an annual play for me. I adore the zaniness of the first act (similar to the Spaghetti Western era), the high stakes of the second in Mexico (more akin to classic Westerns), and the grit and tear-jerking of the last (comparable to modern Westerns like Unforgiven). The story just culminates so well with a lot of strong themes ebbing in and out as the plot progresses and, on a more meta-level, as I age. I adored ten years ago the cool factor of John as he gains fame. Now, on my most recent playthrough, I feel like the father-to-son relationship to Jack and conversely with Dutch really shone through for me; the song upon reaching Beechers Hope just felt sublime. It's all topped off with gameplay that still (mostly) holds up, especially going after all the outfits for their unique abilities. Shout out to anyone else who purposely have save files for John with all the outfits pre-Ranching and one with Jack!
Years after I beat the story I still remember almost everything about it. Mainly using my revolver, the fact mine happened at night, making it feel even more cinematic. The feeling of dread that you knew he'd die but at the same time the glimmer of hope of maybe he'll live.
Rob Wiethoff didn't retire after RDR1, he just wasn't actively looking for work in the acting role.
I really respect your opinion but i disagree about Arthur's redemption arc. The fact that it is possible to find redemption but Arthur pays for it with his life and John doesn't get to enjoy the fruits of his own redemption for long. It makes both of their stories all the more tragic. John could not fulfill the sacrifice of his brother and live a better life.
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RE: the thing you said about 2's ending and how the story kinda forces you to be low honour - i think thats the point? Arthur contantly tells us hes not a good man, Dutch frequently calls him a mindless killer like thats a good thing, Arthur mentions how he has a battle inside him of good and evil - to get the high honor ending you *have* to go out of your way to be a good person, its an effort, you have to help people who arent just in the gang. who arent just dutch. Theres a reason honor gains or losses are doubled in chapter 6 where Arthur truely understands what his life has been and what really matters. To get the High Honour ending you have to push back against the narrative, push back against everything Dutch tell you to do, against nature of the world as Dutch might say - and i really like that. For me, High Honour is where *I* see Arthur ending up natrurally, a not so good man turning his back on his "nature" (read: what dutch taught him was his nature) to be better. Reminds me of that paarthurnax quote: “What is better - To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature though great effort?” and that kinda sums up the end of RDR2 for me
It's interesting that you point about that RDR2 makes you earn low honor points. And how that hints to Low Honor being the intended ending. When, I think you've not only got it wrong, but missed the point of Arthur entirely. Sure, Arthur is an outlaw. But if you take a moment to listen to how he talks in game, you'll know that Arthur only doing this, because the world dealt him the hand that led him there. Everything he does is to protect his family, he's not in it for the money. Not in the long run, and it's been made clear that Arthur is there because he loves Dutch, Hosea, and the gang, sure he doesn't like Micah, but everyone else he cares about.
He drops whatever he's doing if it means helping those he loves. But Just sticking the story of RDR2 is not how one gets to experience Arthur Morgan. The world, the random encounters. Those show the truth behind Arthur, a good man, fighting his morality to do what needs to be done. The low honor that comes into Arthur's life is because Dutch set him on the path to earn it. The game drives you down that path BECAUSE YOUR focus was on progression, and not the wider world. The wider world shows, as I said, a man with morals, trying to swallow them. The entire point of RDR2 is to show the demon behind Dutch, and show that Arthur was the one that started to see it, and choose to save those he can at the end.
Exactly man I like this guy but his take on rdr2 was kinda shit.
@@catgomeow2420 I know I'm late, but I fully agree. I mean for someone who looks for hidden meanings, he missed the point of Arthur having to branch out of the gang and help people besides dutch to become who he was at heart. A good man fighting with a giant. He missed that point and it's sad that he doubled down. I respect his view though, even if it's the wrong one.
You are so right bro I love this channel but his take on Arthur is so wrong
I'd personally love to see an EGA about Portal or Half-life.
I agree. Portal especially
I feel like the high honor ending for Arthur while less realistic is so much more reward and heart felt than any other that the game had to offer. By the end of rdr2 you want arthur to have the happy ending
Imo the High honor ending for Arthur feels more like a what if ending than the canon ending for him.
However, the High Honor ending feels more deserve / earned if you did all the optional honor missions.
there is a bigger difference with high honour arthur then low honour arthur other than him looking at the sunset.
high honour arthur goes out of his way to help strangers and the people he loves.
low honour arthur is basically micah, but with a code of honour to the gang.
high honour arthur earns his redemption by righting his wrongs.
low honour arthur is a bitter killer that dosent try to change.
when arthur gets diagnosed with tb the objective of the game shifts from "protect the gang" to "am i ok with dying?"
This game made me fall in love with gaming all over again when I first played it years ago. I have completed this game upwards of 8 times, and I haven’t touched it in years because I no longer have the hardware to play it anymore. It hasn’t stopped being my favorite game after all this time. Thanks for doing this and letting me relieve how much I enjoyed the story after all this time.
Get a xbox one and buy the backwards compatible game for digital or disc version and bam
The good ending of Arthur is a call back to a conversation between him and Hosea in camp where they are talking about where they want to die Arthur said that he wants to die on a mountain facing west to remember the good times he had there with the gang , so the ending is really a way to get Arthur his "best outcome" of the end of the Van Der Linde Gang (and also it's just so more inpectfull on the first playthrough than just seeing him get shot in the head)
The interaction with the general apon first meeting John is a mirror of when he, Arthur, and Dutch met Angelo Bronte. A man in power with the ability to ruin the life (or end it) or those he faces, and starts with threats. But ends in the one in power having a laugh at it.
Try Subnautica not much story wise unless you dive deep but it’s totally worth it
"Dive deep". I see what you did there
Good ome
he doesn’t like games with no story i think
@@GhostyCJ there is a story it’s just told passively
I like the different feelings you get between games where rdr2 you get the feeling of adventure and like if you are getting ready to discover and help the gang in rdr1 it all feels dead like as if the aftermath really affected johns life and the fact that he is forced to kill to not be killed
There's just something special that cant be explained when watching john in every cutscene he is in. What a character and what a game.
Nah, I think Arthur's high honor ending is supposed to be the "Canon" ending. He eventually died as a good man in the eyes of John and helped to shape him into the man we see in RDR1. Its all about redemption.
i think the "real American" line in response to John being raised in an orphanage, is to say that the American dream is to come from nothing and still succeed.
I tend to disagree with your assessment of Arthur. I've always looked at it as he was born a good person, with a good heart, but his environment and upbringing led him down a bad path where he did do very bad things. Of course, we're all responsible in the end for our actions, but we just can't ignore the effects our environment has on us. He came to see Dutch as a father, he trusted that Dutch truly was virtuous and that his way was the right way. He was wrong, obviously, and eventually he realized that and tried to make it right.
Had he been a truly bad person, he would've never tried to help John, it wouldn't have mattered to him in the least bit, but it did. A truly cold person would've done nothing but worry about themselves at that point, he did the opposite. So Idk, I disagree with your take on Arthur.
I think Arthur's destination was just to save John, not get shot like a dog. It's just left to the player to decide if Arthur was a man who cared about money and himself or a man who cared about the ones he was close to. Also that's the entire point of the game's title "Red Dead Redemption" because the point of it was that it's never too late for redemption.
Good video, but I'm gonna say at least this: your actions are what dictate your honor level in rdr2. If you always pick the nicer option (let the guy who remembers you live, help Sadie with the o'driscolls, absolve the debt and give money to the widow and her kid, etc.) Your honor will stay high. Especially if you never rob or kill any random people outside of missions. You're right though, at the end, you pick the one ending *you* really want. But I still think Arthur's true ending is by the mountain and facing the sunrise. He wasn't acting good in his life, but he's also a victim of some severe brainwashing from Dutch. He did the things he did because he truly believed it was the one and only right way for things to go. But even as soon as the first or second chapter, he gets put into situations where he sees the things that Dutch made him ignore through the years. It's why many people during the story call him a "good man". He is one at heart, but has had his nature twisted and damaged by Dutch raising him. God bless Hosea for keeping his better nature alive indirectly by being the voice of reason. Even after his death, it sort of forced Arthur to become that new voice of reason in the gang. It's just a shame that his voice wasn't enough to save more members.
The Colt Single Action Army. Six bullets! More than enough to kill anything that moves.
Man I wish I could play this game. We need this remastered for next gen consoles and pc.
32:51 This totally took me by surprise, and got me nearly dying of laughter. Just one of many reasons I love this channel and all the uploads, keep it up mate
I agree that the Traumatic Head Injury Crash from RDR 2 does undercut Dutches character development. That being said, my father suffered from a traumatic brain injury after large tumor was removed. And their portrayal of Dutch's decline was absolutely on the money. When someone gets an injury like that it can change them into a different person. They look the same and sound the same but the person they were simply isn't there anymore. It's like a familiar stranger if that makes sense. Watching Arthur try to talk sense into Dutch in the caves with the old lady broke me. So, while I agree it does cheapen his character arch somewhat, it was still beautifully done. Whoever wrote that knew the subject well, unfortunately.
keep on going man, I enjoy your videos as much as I enjoy your cinema counter part
I haven't played this game in years, and all I remember from it was when Dutch said "You can't fight change, you can't fight gravity". Then playing RDR 2 recently and hearing Dutch say those lines made me feel excited and nostalgic
I don't know why you are saying there aren't high honor decisions baked into rdr2s story. We have all of the Raine's fall missions and the debt missions to raise the honor. General story missions rarely lower it (I can think of 2 times) so it has no reason to be low unless you go out of your way to do so
Another amazing video! I just want to say I love your video so much! I literally binge-watch them all the time! As a gamer myself, I relate to your videos so much. Thank you for making your videos!
I actually got inspired to start a TikTok channel all about the Batman Arkham games, and it’s doing quite well. So thanks for that!
I appreciate you and your contest. Keep being amazing! Looking forward to more of your videos!
I'll never forget my first playthrough when "Compass" came on. I was on the War Horse, riding back when I heard the music taking over and as I passed into the forest, Rain started pouring down It made the gravitas of the scene so much more impactful.
If you observe, both Arthur and John do the threatening but are kind hearted. While Dutch talks about kindness and sacrifice but never he never act with this qualities.
Loved the video, due to some circumstances I played RDR1 in a rush and couldn't even catch some small details you pointed out on this video. It made me love the game even more!
I also feel javier still loved John too. Hell he could of talked to him more to let him go and say he is dead. Its interesting to me javiers development though.
Maybe if you did any of the side content when playing games you would’ve had a play through where Arthur is a good man, play the stranger missions and you get showered in honor and it makes the main missions even better
Oh, hell yes. I've been looking forward to you covering this game!
I personally believe that the cannon ending of RDR2 is the high honor ending for multiple reasons. The main one however is that it shows how Aurthur stayed true to the gangs beginning ideals and how he fought to remain a good man. I think that the reason your honor naturally gets lower is because of how the gang is changing and how its not as easy to do the good things that Aurthur does because it goes agenst what the gang had become. Aurthur remained true to his ideals and his principles with or without the gang, and those ideals led John and his family to escape Bever Hollow.
One of the things I loved the most about the games was the horse movement. It was so good to see that they had worked on realistic animation, as someone who's grown up riding horses but also can not help but notice if horses move correctly in games, I loved it because they got it right and not to forget, they gave them good form too. (a horse with a big butt, is a good horse to ride :D)
What a mega video this was. Don't get me wrong, I love gaming/cinema sins style ones... But it is really refreshing to see people talking about the good in the things they enjoy, and in a condensed style like this. Hats off to you, sir. You've got yourself a new subscriber and I'll be checking out the other videos you have on your channel 👍
it would be great to get an EGA for Alan Wake now that the remaster is out.
I just started playing this game yesterday! Love it so far
Maybe you should give a high honor play through a try and see what people saw in arthur. And do the side missions.
I'm so happy I have this masterpiece of a video game with movie quality storytelling on Xbox 360 and can play it on my Sieres X.
Brilliant video man! Honestly loving your content, keep smashing it! I wanted to ask if you you’ll ever cover the Dead Space game series. They’re one of my favourite game series, and incredibly good games.
One of my top five games. I don't think there's been a game before this one that made me just stop and watch a sunrise. A bit surprised none of the side missions were mentioned. The Stranger ones would be worth a few wins. But then this video would be even longer. :p
Great video! playing through 1 again at the moment and this was a great watch. Also after seeing the comments, I agree with his analysis of Arthur’s low/high honour ending (always go with John, fuck the money) and I totally agree the “DAMN US BOTH” is enough redemption I need from an outlaw and like Arthur said; “I tried, in the end, I did”
Absolutely love your videos my man, I can t wait to see everything great about the mass effect trilogy! Keep it up man, they highlight my day
the effort that you put into this video deserves millions of views, just keep at it and ppl will notice your talent
The one video we have been all waiting for 🔥💪🏼
40:00 Arthur said the same thing in the "A quiet time" mission in rdr2
In my playthrough back in the day, the scene where John rides back to Abigail and "Compass" plays, coincided with the sun starting to rise in the game. To this day it is one of the most beautiful moments I ever experienced in a video game.
(And it made what comes after even more gut wrenching...)
Man i love these just finished the rdr2 video a couple days ago
I been waiting for this video forever
loved this video. so close to 200k man! you deserve it.
You don't get the story of read dead 2
Arthur "Thought" that he was a bad man , but others thought differently, that being the reason of Hosea trusting Arthur the most , the ending in which he gets to see the sunrise is the ending that Arthur himself wanted as he said that in a side event in which Hosea , Lenny and Tilly talks about how they want to die , Arthur said "face me to the west so I can remember all the fine times we had that way"
Red Dead as a series touches on a lot of interesting themes of the ideas of moving forward and what is lost in what you leave behind. Another great game with some amazing themes (some similar) you should cover is The Outer Wilds; which just received its first and only DLC Echoes of the Eye adding an incredible addition to a game I already enjoyed immensely.
This game is incredible even years later
Better than the second gameb
@@td370 No, but it's still a great game.
it's very refreshing to see gaming content produced by someone who has understands archetypes and the thematic elements of something like othello. i've found so many critiques and essays of this nature to be shallow and unfocused, but your videos are excellent and really well-rounded.
I wasn't expecting to actually sit through the whole hour and then all of a sudden it was over. Well done.
It's been about 9 years since I last played this game and watching this video brought the magic back to me. I wish I could play it again for the very first time.
Gonna enjoy this video with some snacks just like the rdr2 video you did. 😋
That was the best ad...ever, no seriously I hope that this a type of thing continues, I couldn't stop laughing! Keep it up :)
It’s really interesting to me that the second game takes place in a time frame the essentially doesn’t exist in the original. It’s implied in the first game that The Blackwater Massacre IS the job where the gang abandoned him. Instead there’s a whole character arc between that and when he’s left to die.
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Not sure about the scrapped subplot but in the newspapers you can buy (primarily in the epilogue) it tells you the fates of some characters. Like Landon Ricketts dying in his sleep in Mexico. Seth finally finding treasure, and *I think* getting back together with his family. Could be a fever dream but I'm pretty sure they were real. RDR2 has details like that in it's newspapers too
Such a masterpiece. I legit got teared up when John was massacred. Again. I replayed the mission several times thinking maybe I could win. Now I want to play it again.
Also, still waiting for The Witcher 3!
This is the ideal “Anti-Cliche” game
Exactly
Hey gamingwins another great vid love the channel man
watching you play these old games makes me filled with nostalgia and i love it.
Imagine if the old man that trained John showed up at the ending on John's ranch before he was shot down. 😳
Nah, that's a good guy. He would never join a corrupt government force like the one that shot John down. That's just not Mister Ricketts
@@VincentMMALife
I'm talking about him showing up on behalf of John not the government
that southern accent in the beginning really caught me off guard 😂😂
also would you ever consider creating a discord server for your channel?
There are Marshals other than U.S. Marshals. Some places still have State or Town Marshals to this day. And in the old west, Town Marshal was a fairly common position in any community of note.