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I’m a member of OCBF and this has been HARD. I am not ok with the vagueness and feel as though this is a blackmail situation. Dr Evans is a smart man and he knew people would speculate and that perhaps their speculations would be bad having said that he still chose not to say which means ITS BAD. I don’t want to wait around for it to be exposed therefore I’m out.
I said the exact same thing! Someone knew what he did and gave him an ultimative to step away or be called out on it! This happened in the past why is it brought up now
Ultimately people are going to believe whatever they want, and those who choose to assume the worst will, but that’s a reflection of their own heart. It’s not a charitable or Christian heart that does that, so you have much bigger issues of your own.
I agree with your stance. People don’t want to adhere to scripture on how we are to handle leaders in sin. They make excuses for their favorite pastors. My husband and I had to leave a popular ministry (G.Craige Lewis) 5 years ago because of his unconfessed sin that split the church. It was hard, but in the end we must obey God.
I go to OCBF and the numbers are dwindling. Makes me see how many are going for the Man and not the Word.
@@munnygawn9480 Yea so true. I followed him for years but he has very close ties to Robert Morris who’s a heretic. I could never understand why Dr. Evans linked arms with him.
The thing is, we forget that these" men of God " are humans. Their followers make them feel like they are gods sometimes. They can fall like any other human. The difference is that we hold them to higher standards because they choose to be leaders, and the bible says leaders will be held accountable. I believe if they confess to God sincerely, no matter how we feel about them, God will forgive them
What’s funny to me is everyone thinks he owes them an explanation, we are not GOD and will not stand before GOD with him so as believers pray for him and stop being nosey it’s none of our business NONE!
I agree it’s my flesh wants to know but it’s really between him and the Father. I will continue to read his books.📚 It’s definitely biblical teaching. Kingdom Single and his Kingdom Series are great 📚 to have!
True it says confess your sins one to another not everybody lol you don't have to tell everyone.
EXACTLY
I just think we should pray for him. We all fall short so I never expect a pastor to be perfect.
That being said, if he feels the need to step down then I think this is a situation he could use our prayers.
I don’t need to know what he did.
Absolutely 💯 instead of talking about.
No we should talk about it and hold the pastors accountable
@@Kingprice08let’s also talk about your sins and short comings and hold you responsible. See how silly you sound?
@@InwardBeautyMinistries I am not the one promoting that I have a solution to your problems that is what Tony Evans sells to the public
This is so sad! Our daily lives are put on social media and a profit is being made from it. Nothing is private anymore and most things are speculated. We don’t talk to one another anymore about our problems , we instead make a post or a video about our business. People’s lives have been made a gold mine and no once seems to care. Folks bills are being paid by other people’s downfalls! 😢
Absolutely 💯 and for Christians to keep on discussing/ debating on this, is a mind boggling. It's sad, sad😮 SELF RIGHTEOUS church folks💯
@@linegrant4605 AMEN! Why can’t people let others heal in peace? Busy-bodies until they become the talk of the internet. We reap what we sow!
Confessing to believers
James 5:16 (ESV)
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.
I need Jesus like air…that’s good!!🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
That's the issue people do idolize him
My first reaction was WOW, if the sin happened some years ago WHY come fort NOW with the sin??? WHY didn't he come fort after he had commented the sin?????????
I respect the man for stepping down and being honest. Its better that he's upfront people will respect him for that. 🙏🙏
Truth of the fact is, Mr. Evans is still just a man. I feel that oftentimes we place our Pastors/leaders on a platform and forget that they too can fall short of the Glory of God (Romans 3:23). I hate this for Mr. Evans, the sin (whatever/whomever) it may be, his family, the church, the congregation, and for the blemish it gives to Christianity. It also saddens my heart for the unbelievers that look at the Christian community as just another reason not to believe and have faith. I'm sure whatever the situation it will be exposed in do time, it always has a way of coming out. Then we get to see yet again how ugly and quick people will be ready to throw stones, please people look to scripture (John 8:7-11). I truly believe and hope WE ALL can and need to come together and pray for all parties involved in this sad situation😞.
I do believe he heard the voice of God to step down or he'll be exposed publicly 💯 obedience is than sacrifice.
I believe it has something to do with Robert Morris. Since he said “While I have committed no crime, I did not use righteous judgment in my actions,”. Then a few days later Robert Morris step down. They were/are both good friends. Morris ministry was introduced in Oak Cliff Bible Church.
Tony Evens is a great pastor and I admire him and my respect for him hasn’t changed. We all fall short on way or another.
Wow. I wonder why Dr Evan’s would link up with a false teacher like Morris. Morris has made so many heretical statements about Jesus, tithing, direct revelation from God, etc. No doubt Dr. Evans knows what scripture says about false teachers. It even says don’t eat with them. Like you, I do believe there’s a connection. There are no coincidences.
Any facts😮
I was nervous to click on this because I felt it would be a bunch of digs on Dr. Evans. Is it really our business to know what he did (or, didn't do)? Does it matter? If it was known folks would run with that too! It's like he can't win for losing. Some folks want to lump him in with all of what is happening and label him as false or suspect because he fell short. We all fall short. He is handling what has happened with integrity, responsibility and accountability. It is so easy to point fingers at him and say " ah, look he has sinned", when we all sin in some capacity (For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God - Romans 3:23). Dr. Evans is NOT fake, he is NOT a false teacher...one thing he is though, he is a man, he is not God. Dr. Evans doesn't do the saving, only God does. God saves, God heals, God delivers, God keeps us, we are to pursue God, not Dr. Evans. We have to live for Jesus and seek His help. Why would folks say "Oh the jury is out on if I should go to his church now..." huh? I want to say so much more, but I hope that there is carefulness not to put him in the same breath as many of those preachers that have proven to be fake, false, and corrupt - because Bro. Evans is not that. Let's just pray for him whether he returns to the pulpit soon or not. God still gets the glory.
I don't believe he is a false teacher nor do I believe he is a fake pastor. I however am just wondering why step
Down now when this was a past sin! I will keep him in my prayers! I too would listen to his messages and they have gotten me closer to Christ! ❤
I love what you said! You said the truth for sure! Everyone can point the fingers until they end up in the same shoes wanted some grace and mercy. He by far is not a false teacher or prophet. Wow God help this people that are mean and ugly towards people that fell short! ❤
Well said 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
He stepped down, which was correct.
The reason he stepped down should not have been leaked.
Sin. Repent the Kingdom is near.
1 John 1:9
Mark my word. He messed up, and he messed up big. No big pastor with the level of influence, wealth and dare I say ego like Tony Evans has, is going to just sit down after 40+ yrs. Ive never seen it. It doesn't happen. God forgives, so he's not quitting for fear of God. He's afraid of the back lash his church will recieve, when whatever he did is exposed.
🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾😮
I just wish that he we would've sat himself down when it happened. We are supposed to be quick to repent and quick to sit ourselves down. Especially as a leader. We are to lead by example. I would sit myself down from the choir if I had a bad attitude, I would not minister because I didn't want to hinder God's anointing by singing that day. We need to have more humility and fear of God. I applaud him for coming forward and sitting himself down. But, this should have happened years ago, not years later.
I get it, but I know God asked me to do something that took me 3 years to do. So I can give grace to it taking time. He's a leader yet he's still a man.
He is a man of God, and we should respect that. He has stepped down and done the right thing if he feels he is currently not worthy to lead the flock of Christ. What he did shall remain between him and God, God instructs us to touch not his anointed and do no harm to them. What we can do as people of faith and Christ is to pray for Pastor Evans in this time. This goes to show that all leaders of the Church of Christ must take accountability
In the attached CZcams video with Preston and Jackie Perry interviewing Dr. Eric Mason, Dr. Mason said there would be a lot of pastors stepping down and exposed in the near future. I saw this video about a week before pastor Evans stepped down. Also, right after that we heard that Robert Morris stepped down too. I’m prayerful for all repentance because we all are sinful. But James 3:1 says, “Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we [who are teachers] will be judged by a higher standard.” So pastors leading any congregation should repent and step down if they are not following the things that are in scripture. God sees all even when we as humans don’t and He will deal with all of us who profess salvation but are not living according to His word.
Here’s the link to the CZcams interview.
czcams.com/video/ZOAhQQSzWWo/video.htmlsi=mkz6k_V5ERFzO4AV
I think he needs to explain because his ministry reaches far beyond his church.
Why sin is sin why do you need to know what pacifically
@@hermanthomas5745Because the Bible says to confess your sins one to another James 5:16. Why follow the religion if you’re not gonna follow the instructions? 🤷🏾♀️
Absolutely, it effects everyone that has connected themselves to him 😮😮
@@lilit384 Hello, as a Believer, we don’t follow religion, we follow Christ.
@lilit384 I think you are incorrect. Public sins are confessed publicly, and private sins are privately or openly. If you think he should tell us his sins, then please let us know your sins as well. I think he did what was right. He got up and said he sinned. OK perfect move on. In the end, if the Lord wants to expose his sins to the public, then in due time, it will happen. But to say that we need to know, then please let us know all of your sins.
Nothing in his statement gave the impression that he would not be back. He said he was taking time to heal and be restored. Healing and Restoration does not equal finality, on the contrary, it indicates a return- but RETURNING in the RIGHT STATE OF MIND AND HEART. The members and the elders of the church still recognize him as Pastor. Prayers and Love for Dr. T. ♥️🙏
It should tho
It’s disappointing that he didn’t say what it is. It’s hard to respect Christian leaders with secrecy.
Facts!
Paul even struggled with something. He said the things he should do he doesn't and the thing he does he shouldn't..also that thorn...we still don't know what that thorn is. I see it as something between Tony and God.
Sad, we're all called to minister, which is to serve, and we've all fallen short, but where in the scriptures does it say sin and then step down.
There are more than pastors in the body of Christ. If you sin, confess your sins one to another, bleed the blood, and get back out there. Your sin and your repentance is now a part of your testimony. So stand up and go testify about Jesus.
Yes! thank you for sharing this comment. The Word, the Word, the Word! God be praised🙏🏾
I'm just going to say when the members of churches sin they look for the pastor to not judge them and hope he will help restore them to good grace with God. But if a pastor or leader has a failure, they are ready to crucify and disowned him.
Pastors out there are basically on their own and not allow to be human.
God sent the prophet Nathan to confront David, it wasn't publicized, why we have to know everything, he repented, we all need to go and talk about our sins right? Paul said the things he shouldn't do he do, Christ is our way not man!!!
You hit the nail on the head
#idolatry
This appears to be a situation where the elders made him step away- a send sometime ago should have really been addressed back then- so this is something that was ongoing and probably became enough is enough
Dr. Tony Evans is two man of God I’m righteous man. He’s not being the self-centered. He examined himself and decided he needs to take a seat😟, in his statement he says we don’t follow man, but we follow Christ. Dr. Evans is the only black man who has a study Bible very detail and is faith. We should honor his request and don’t look into it. It took a lot of guts for him to take a seat because you know, Jamall with all his adult side babies never took a seat. Still preaching because he’s about the bag.😮
We must have a relationship with Christ alone.
I like Tony Evans but he is not Jesus
What's actually concerning is that 🤔 SURPRISE he's an imperfect fallible human being just like we are??? I'm in no way implying that Sin isn't Sin because it most definitely is. However, we've got to STOP ✋ 🚨 making idols out of our leaders out of our leaders, they absolutely cannot manifest perfection anymore than we can. But what we should be focusing on is to intercede for our leaders because they need covering just like we do. You've gotta get this whatever Prophetic office, mantle, and/or gift that an individual walks in The LORD JESUS CHRIST commissioned it to be so, not we ourselves. I have to say that if we would apply all this extra energy into praying for our leaders as we should then I'm sure that the LORD has certain individuals with humility, integrity, and transparency speak with them from whatever was revealed to them, and to wisely approach. The Grace and Mercy which the LORD extends to us actually none of us deserve it. And with that being said they're lives are on front street under a Major Magnifying Glass 🔎 😳, whereas ours isn't so it'll behoove us to say less, pray more, and stay humble 🙏 🙌
Tony Evans elders advised him to step down, it wasn’t his decision 😮😮
How'd you know that!
My question is "why doesn't the man in the red cap know Tony Evans, especially if his wife does?" Tony is a wonderful teacher and scripture analogist. I am saddened by this. At first I thought the video makers had him mixed up with someone else. My reaction was "not Tony Evans!!"
We need to continue to point believers and unbelievers to Christ, He is the standard alone. The rest of us are on a journey. I'm looking at those at the table and Christians in general and know that we are "...working out our salvation..."
There are great example of imperfect people - Peter, David, Moses, and the list goes on.
Jesus is the standard alone! The rest of us are imperfect works in progress - leaders and preachers included.
And no we don't need to know what Tony Evans did or what any member at that table or anyone else did. Tell it to Jesus and who He leads you to share it with. Love covers a multitude of sin.
🤣🤣🤣 SELF RIGHTEOUS, church folks. If God spoke to him to step down 👇 and he obey God's voice, its nobody's business 💯 Obedience is better than sacrifice 💯 he did the right thing or God will expose him public 💯 people get your own affairs and house 🏠 in order instead of focusing on Tony Evans, trying to find out what sin he committed 😮 ALL have SINNED and come short of God's glory 💯 it's a wake up call for the body of Christ to get their acts together 💯 or God will expose them in the open 💯 some Christians still dealing with addictions or demons 👿 within themselves and need to be delivered 💯 some have generational curses that's been in their bloodline for generations and need to be broken 💯 do yourself a self examination first.
@@linegrant4605 God is not asking any of these men to step, he never set them up in the first place. They all need to repent and give up these buildings,the only reason you’re a mega church is because you’ve compromised the word
@@linegrant4605 Too many emojis to read.
God is a jealous god! Evans was a free mason! Jamal Bryant is next!
There are some members of the who will accompany their Pastors to hell. God is judging His church right now and they stand between God and Tony Evans
From Smart Christian to the very individual who follows scripture. We all fall short of His glory and our righteousness is a horrible as a dead man's order. In that being said, let's acknowledge that we must not cease in prayer for others, pastors, teachers, leaders, worship group, children day care takers and ourselves for the guidance of the Holy Spirit, yetglad Tony Evans stepped down on his own, with out the embarrassing media help. God is good to us always.
Priscilla Shirer is Tony Evans’ daughter!!!
Does one admitted fall mean you can't get back up? If you measure this one fall against ALLLLLLL of the good he has done for 48 years, how does he fair?
I want to be as respectful as I possibly can here but when are we as black people going to wake up and evolve. Has anyone ever considered that this man was just tired and burned out and wanted out of the whole game of religion. Check out Dr. Walter Williams: Origins of Christianity.
Checkout Franchot Blue's coverage on this issue...
Where's the link?