Thanks for the efficient objective analysis. However, I wish you'd addressed any fish impacts, relative UV vulnerability and the longevity of RPE & EPDM.
Simply put, EPDM: more flexible but slighty more puncture prone, heavier by a good bit RPE: less flexible but less puncture prone, lighter and can be made in larger single pieces PVC: trash Having looked on Web Sites note the "warranty" on these. If they have very short warranty's you should avoid them. I've dealt with EPDM rubber and it seemed strong. I also am NOT sure he mentioned the MIL thickness on these? Which would play a huge role in longevity. He also mentions the less flexible as "sometimes" being a plus. Sure if you put this over puncture things, but having a void under the liner (because it flexes less) would be something that would not be desired. I feel proper prepared ground and EPDM would probably last the longest. But I also feel I'll be long dead if I use RPE over proper ground as well. If your using PVC I suspect you just plan on flipping the property you put this on. Shame on you.
Can you please be more specific when you say "larger ponds". What do you consider a larger pond? We have shelves, 90° angles and are using flagstone and cobble. We would need a 21x21 sheet, what size do you consider that? And what liner?
I have Firestone pondgard that's been out there for more than 30 years and it's still going strong, but I have never had these plastic liners last for even a decade period most recently I've had the PVC liner in Thailand and I can't even get it to last 2 years in the Sun
hi, thanks for the video. Im curious as to what liner would be best for a pond/ swimming hole? It would get some foot traffic as it would be no more than 4 ft deep and would be installed over existing clay, and either sand or fabricated underlayment. My original idea was HDPE but I have also been looking at RPE. Which do you think would hold up better?
Thanks great video. Some suggestions: Close ups for identification purposes and repair procedures for different liners. (Friends pond has leak but doesn't know history)
EPDM IS THE WAY TO GO MY 2000 GAL POND STILL GOING STRONG AFTER 20 YEARS 40 MIL, PUNCH A HOLE TWICE BOTH TIMES MY FAULT BUT EASY FIX I DONT THINK THE OTHER TWO COULD TAKE THE SUN OF PR PLANTING ZONE 13!
What is the size of your RPE Liner? Do you have office and warehouse in the Philippines where we could see personally RPE s products and talk to your personnel for possible outright purchase How to order?
Good video, but I would be interested to have comparison between BTL24A reinforced HPDE liner too. Do you have any information on that or any other reinforced HPDE liners?
I don't think any liner is going to hold upto that if your expecting them in again id be fiber glassing it fairly soon as they will split any liner for sure
Sir your all videos are very nice and knowledgefull ,,All the best 👌👍👍👍 Sir can u tell me which pond line is very best for 15 feet fish pond 🤕 ????????
Thank you. We can definitely help you choose and size a liner for your pond. However, we will need some more information such as the length x width x height, will it be exposed to direct sun..etc. Please send us an email if you would like assistance sales@everything-ponds.com.
Everything Ponds No sir i am not a Assistance , I need a small fish pond for my house ,,, 6 feet Length × 6 feet width × 3 feet height ,,,sir can u tell me which pond liner (Rubber Or Plastic) is very best for my pond And also tell me pond liner size which can need this fish pond ..???🤕🤕 its vryy important for me sir , Thnak you .,
Hello Wasi, the Premium Grade RPE 30mil Laminated pond liner could work for your fish pond. Here is a link to more details on that type of liner www.everything-ponds.com/premium-grade-rpe-liner-high-uv-30-mil.html. If you have a lot of bends, and irregular shapes in your pond you would want to consider using the EPDM rubber. It's all dependant on your pond needs. Does it have vertical or sloping walls? You can use our liner sizing tool on our website to pick which pond best represents yours, allowing you to get a more accurate liner size www.everything-ponds.com/liner-size-wizard.html. If it has vertical walls you could use a liner 14' x 14' which would give you 1' extra on either side for anchoring in place. In order for us to better help you please email us at sales@everything-ponds.com
Hey does anybody know if I could use black rubber liner that came off of an old roof job?… There’s no tears was just curious if it was OK to use thanks or will it hurt the fish?
If it's just EPDM rubber, similar to Firestone's EPDM, then I don't see why you couldn't use it. Might want to check for any punctures, tears or damage first since EPDM is quite soft and can get damaged fairly easily.
Everything Ponds ok thank u for the response . I’m not sure if it is epdm or not but I’m fairly certain my local home depot may know. As far as any damage I will check it out..I will make a video of the process in the near future .
I'm not sure, it would depend on what it was made out of. Also if it's for drinking water, you'll want to make sure the liner is NSF-61 certified so it doesn't leach into the water. All our RPEs are NSF-61 certified if you're looking for something like that.
Hello. Yes, sometimes people use multiple layers of liners. It's kind of like buying insurance - you have the extra layer of protection. Using rubber overtop will allow the liner to lay better by smoothing out the creases of the RPE, this will also allow the stronger material to sit on the outside - where the strength of the liner is needed the most.
All of the RPE liners are NSF-61 certified, which means they are safe for human drinking water. We would recommend any RPE for human drinking water containment.
Hello, thank you for the comment. The width/length are measurements of the edge of the pond liner from one side to the other side. Our pond liners are custom made allowing you to order any size liner you need - up to 60,000sqft. To determine the size of liner needed for your pond you will need to measure each side of the pond (the width and the length) as well as the depth (how deep it is). Here is a link to our pond size calculator, it has some visuals to aid you in understanding how to size a liner www.everything-ponds.com/liner-size-wizard.html. Hope this helps!
Mary Fisher The RPE liner in the video is 24 mil, but it also comes in 30 and 40 mil. The EPDM is 45 mil, but as you can see from the video the thickness doesn't really say anything about puncture resistance or strength.
The RPE will stand up well to the occasional hooves or dog nails walking on the liner since neither of those things are that sharp. The real danger though is if a big animal ends up in the pond and then can't get out so it starts slashing around. That could potentially damage things. The best thing to do if you're expecting any kind of traffic on the liner is to protect the liner in some way. Put a protective layer over top like some geotextile fabric covered in river rock, or sand, or we've even seen people put down protective rubber mats, covered in a thin layer of aesthetic gravel.
We have all of the technical specs of each liner available on our website. RPE is more puncture resistant than EPDM. Please feel free to review the specs to see the puncture resistance of each liner from a technical standpoint.
@@cherylangel1714 One of our newer videos might give you a good idea about how the RPE folds into a box. Check this video at the 10 minute mark: czcams.com/video/7ScaqhowfYI/video.html
Wish I had found this before I installed my HDPE pondless waterfall... Great video.
Thanks for the efficient objective analysis. However, I wish you'd addressed any fish impacts, relative UV vulnerability and the longevity of RPE & EPDM.
Very good information, the Pond Liner HDRPE is much more resistant, long life, it is more economical considering that it lasts many years.
Perfect video. Exactly what I need to make me feel good about buying RPE and saving some money!
Simply put,
EPDM: more flexible but slighty more puncture prone, heavier by a good bit
RPE: less flexible but less puncture prone, lighter and can be made in larger single pieces
PVC: trash
Having looked on Web Sites note the "warranty" on these. If they have very short warranty's you should avoid them.
I've dealt with EPDM rubber and it seemed strong. I also am NOT sure he mentioned the MIL thickness on these? Which would play a huge role in longevity. He also mentions the less flexible as "sometimes" being a plus. Sure if you put this over puncture things, but having a void under the liner (because it flexes less) would be something that would not be desired.
I feel proper prepared ground and EPDM would probably last the longest.
But I also feel I'll be long dead if I use RPE over proper ground as well.
If your using PVC I suspect you just plan on flipping the property you put this on. Shame on you.
Thank you for this video. Answered so many questions!
Thanks. Great video
Can you please be more specific when you say "larger ponds". What do you consider a larger pond? We have shelves, 90° angles and are using flagstone and cobble. We would need a 21x21 sheet, what size do you consider that? And what liner?
Great video. Very informative. Thanks
I have Firestone pondgard that's been out there for more than 30 years and it's still going strong, but I have never had these plastic liners last for even a decade period most recently I've had the PVC liner in Thailand and I can't even get it to last 2 years in the Sun
Yeah epdm is definately 100 times better than this bullshit.
hi, thanks for the video. Im curious as to what liner would be best for a pond/ swimming hole? It would get some foot traffic as it would be no more than 4 ft deep and would be installed over existing clay, and either sand or fabricated underlayment. My original idea was HDPE but I have also been looking at RPE. Which do you think would hold up better?
Thanks great video.
Some suggestions:
Close ups for identification purposes and repair procedures for different liners.
(Friends pond has leak but doesn't know history)
Does rpe stand for reinforced poly ethelyne?
EPDM IS THE WAY TO GO MY 2000 GAL POND STILL GOING STRONG AFTER 20 YEARS 40 MIL, PUNCH A HOLE TWICE BOTH TIMES MY FAULT BUT EASY FIX I DONT THINK THE OTHER TWO COULD TAKE THE SUN OF PR PLANTING ZONE 13!
Great video. Loved the wrap around box idea. Thank you
What is the size of your RPE Liner?
Do you have office and warehouse in the Philippines where we could see personally RPE s products and talk to your personnel for possible outright purchase
How to order?
THANK YOU!
Many thanks for this video!.
Thanks for the video. My question, is hdpe pond liner suitable for garden pond with shelves?
Good video, but I would be interested to have comparison between BTL24A reinforced HPDE liner too.
Do you have any information on that or any other reinforced HPDE liners?
My EPDM liner did not hold up against the Raccoons entering my pond for water, I will buy a RPE next.
I don't think any liner is going to hold upto that if your expecting them in again id be fiber glassing it fairly soon as they will split any liner for sure
Hi Yash, you can view prices on our website - there is a link to the product in the video description above. Thanks!
I am a pond liner manufacturer and I can answer questions about videos!
We are planning to build a lake on our ranch......What liner would you suggest we use ?
@@esmerouth8999 use HDPE liner，contact me wts：86 18554215652
What thickness is the RPE liner in this video?
Hello Amy, the Premium Grade RPE 24mil was used in this video.
Thats .6mm for the rest of the world
Sir your all videos are very nice and knowledgefull ,,All the best 👌👍👍👍
Sir can u tell me which pond line is very best for 15 feet fish pond 🤕 ????????
Thank you. We can definitely help you choose and size a liner for your pond. However, we will need some more information such as the length x width x height, will it be exposed to direct sun..etc. Please send us an email if you would like assistance sales@everything-ponds.com.
Everything Ponds No sir i am not a Assistance , I need a small fish pond for my house ,,,
6 feet Length × 6 feet width × 3 feet height ,,,sir can u tell me which pond liner (Rubber Or Plastic) is very best for my pond
And also tell me pond liner size which can need this fish pond ..???🤕🤕 its vryy important for me sir ,
Thnak you .,
Hello Wasi, the Premium Grade RPE 30mil Laminated pond liner could work for your fish pond. Here is a link to more details on that type of liner www.everything-ponds.com/premium-grade-rpe-liner-high-uv-30-mil.html. If you have a lot of bends, and irregular shapes in your pond you would want to consider using the EPDM rubber. It's all dependant on your pond needs. Does it have vertical or sloping walls? You can use our liner sizing tool on our website to pick which pond best represents yours, allowing you to get a more accurate liner size www.everything-ponds.com/liner-size-wizard.html. If it has vertical walls you could use a liner 14' x 14' which would give you 1' extra on either side for anchoring in place. In order for us to better help you please email us at sales@everything-ponds.com
Thank you for your comparison. Can I ask what thickness the EDPM Rubber was that you punctured?
45mil Firestone - www.everything-ponds.com/epdm-rubber-water-garden-pond-liner.html
Hey does anybody know if I could use black rubber liner that came off of an old roof job?… There’s no tears was just curious if it was OK to use thanks or will it hurt the fish?
If it's just EPDM rubber, similar to Firestone's EPDM, then I don't see why you couldn't use it. Might want to check for any punctures, tears or damage first since EPDM is quite soft and can get damaged fairly easily.
Everything Ponds ok thank u for the response . I’m not sure if it is epdm or not but I’m fairly certain my local home depot may know. As far as any damage I will check it out..I will make a video of the process in the near future .
which one is the HDPE?
I have a silo bag is it ok to use it as pond liner for water storage?
I'm not sure, it would depend on what it was made out of. Also if it's for drinking water, you'll want to make sure the liner is NSF-61 certified so it doesn't leach into the water. All our RPEs are NSF-61 certified if you're looking for something like that.
Do people ever use the plastic underneath and then a layer of rubber over it to get the best of both worlds?
Hello. Yes, sometimes people use multiple layers of liners. It's kind of like buying insurance - you have the extra layer of protection. Using rubber overtop will allow the liner to lay better by smoothing out the creases of the RPE, this will also allow the stronger material to sit on the outside - where the strength of the liner is needed the most.
Do you know how ppl liner compares to rpe? Or is it the same thing?
What liner to use for water storage for human consumption?
All of the RPE liners are NSF-61 certified, which means they are safe for human drinking water. We would recommend any RPE for human drinking water containment.
@@everythingponds thanks a lot for the speedy reply
Sir I want to know about pound liner size can you tell me about that
What's width and length
Hello, thank you for the comment. The width/length are measurements of the edge of the pond liner from one side to the other side. Our pond liners are custom made allowing you to order any size liner you need - up to 60,000sqft. To determine the size of liner needed for your pond you will need to measure each side of the pond (the width and the length) as well as the depth (how deep it is). Here is a link to our pond size calculator, it has some visuals to aid you in understanding how to size a liner www.everything-ponds.com/liner-size-wizard.html. Hope this helps!
How many mils thick on each, esp. the epdm?
Mary Fisher The RPE liner in the video is 24 mil, but it also comes in 30 and 40 mil. The EPDM is 45 mil, but as you can see from the video the thickness doesn't really say anything about puncture resistance or strength.
Could a pond liner be used for saltwater? Thanks
Yes, our liners can be used for saltwater containment.
@@everythingponds Thanks
Any recommendation for the occasional hooves or dog nails.
The RPE will stand up well to the occasional hooves or dog nails walking on the liner since neither of those things are that sharp. The real danger though is if a big animal ends up in the pond and then can't get out so it starts slashing around. That could potentially damage things. The best thing to do if you're expecting any kind of traffic on the liner is to protect the liner in some way. Put a protective layer over top like some geotextile fabric covered in river rock, or sand, or we've even seen people put down protective rubber mats, covered in a thin layer of aesthetic gravel.
hw much dos it cost??
Nice vid
Liners are for city slickers, Gleying is the only way to go!!
How about HDPE liner? How does that compare?
Check out the 6:36 mark on this video :)
depends on application? its a pond liner. :)
Of course, each pond will require a different thickness, some ponds can use the budget strength, some require the heavy duty :)
The other pens were plastic, replacement a metal.
I'm a manufacturer!
JAHBLESS
I've seen rpe puncture way easier than epdm
We have all of the technical specs of each liner available on our website. RPE is more puncture resistant than EPDM. Please feel free to review the specs to see the puncture resistance of each liner from a technical standpoint.
Please choose between speaking, or having background music. This combo ain't it.
9th
I call B'S
Editing out what I wanted to see makes the video not helpful.
what information would you like to see?
@@everythingponds How it hangs over the object
@@cherylangel1714 One of our newer videos might give you a good idea about how the RPE folds into a box. Check this video at the 10 minute mark: czcams.com/video/7ScaqhowfYI/video.html