Beethoven: Sonata No.6 in F Major, Op.10 No.2 (Lortie, Jando)
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- For some reason (probably its diminutive proportions?) the 6th sonata has acquired a reputation as one of B.’s less important sonatas, when any reasonably objective look will show that it really is one of his best. For a start, the first movement bursts with innovative touches: the lush lyrical sonority of the first theme of the second theme group (which implies maj7 harmony), the really unexpected harmonic turns (at 0:17 we get a really abrupt transition from F to E, and then, this time completely without preparation, we move from E to C - a pretty radical treatment of the usual transition between two theme groups), a development section which doggedly avoids all connection with the exposition with the exception of a microscopic ending phrase, and a recapitulation that begins in D(!), a key so far removed from F that it sounds like a lot of the tonal tension that ought to be in the development has decided to accrete there.
The second movement continues this sonata’s typifying feature of experimentation with sonority: it’s technically a kind of minuet/trio, but texturally is something more like a doleful bagatelle, again with beautiful textures at the return of the minuet. The last movement is just one of the best things B. ever wrote - a roguish, scampering, hyper-orchestral thing that never becomes anything like properly fugal yet sounds a lot like a fugue, and which contains sudden windows of translucent, luminous color: see 11:54 and 12:26, for instance. I find this final movement kind of earwormish, in fact, but that might be just me.
MVT I, Allegro
00:00 - Theme Group 1, containing two themes: the first short and angular, the second long and lyrical. The restatement of the first theme suddenly slips into E(!) maj.
00:21 - Theme Group 2, Theme 1, now blithely on C, which then modulates to G. At 0:34 dominant preparation, which is surprising as the key is already clear
00:42 - TG2, T2. Its closing uses the turn motif (M1) from the opening theme
01:02 - TG2, T3 (cadential theme). At 1:13 the closing three notes constitute M2
DEVELOPMENT
02:29 - M2, in A min, then in D min in bass with new counterpoint (x) above. Parts swap.
02:40 - Development Theme. D min - C min - Bb
03:00 - M2 + (x)
RECAPITULATION
03:26 - TG1, in D(!), a key more remote than any reached in the development. The repeat at 3:42 moves wistfully in to G min, then into the home dominant. The turn motif now repeats several times before TG1, T2 enters in F
03:58 - TG2, T1. At 4:08 theme is extended in F min, then Ab. The point of the “purposeless” dominant preparation (0:34) in the exposition is now revealed, for it now enters to right the course of the sonata by insisting on C.
04:26 - TG2, T2
04:47 - TG2, T3 (cadential theme). Note how its closing segues seamless back into the beginning of the development
MVT II, Allegretto
07:37 - Menuet. Middle strain at 7:52, with imitative counterpoint
08:55 - Trio, with a surprising amount of development. Closes in bare octaves moving into dominant
10:30 - Menuet, with some particularly beautiful variation (primarily syncopation, some changes in melodic direction, and fuller LH). Note the close on forte, rather than the original piano.
MVT III, Presto
EXPOSITION
11:17 - Theme 1. First two bars with M1, second two with M2.
11:32 - Theme 2 (Cadence). Note M1 in inner part
DEVELOPMENT
12:02 - Compound of M1+M2, rising in Ab. At 12:04 T1 in Ab.
12:07 - T1, with LH following RH in 3rds. M2 is then developed imitatively. Bb min/F min
12:14 - M2 dialogue with itself in RH. C min/G min/D min. At 12:22 preparation on dominant of D min
12:26 - T2 in A, with its bass now prominently in upper voice. Descends sequentially to
RECAPITULATION
12:39 - T1, with running counterpoint, and later diverted into G min/Bb/Bb min. at 12:58 sequence is initiated leading back into F
13:05 - T2 (extended into a kind of coda) - Hudba
Lortie:
00:00 - Mvt 1
07:37 - Mvt 2
11:17 - Mvt 3
Jando:
14:46 - Mvt 1
20:26 - Mvt 2
24:36 - Mvt 3
Lortie is as he usually is: lyrical, attentive to all sorts of color and detail, with some really fantastic dynamic tiering and voicing (see 13:10 and the way he adds a swell to the middle of the phrase at 11:55), and a lovely way of shaping long phrases (especially in the first two movements). Jando is slower (especially in the last movement), drier, but his contrasts are more granitic and biting, his staccati more sharply chiseled (the last movement has a pointillistic feel at parts). There’s some great voicing in his playing too: see 24:10 for one example.
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Отлично, только темп как всегда бешеный, из-за чего проглатываются ноты.
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The beginning melody of the menuet fills me with such longing, it is so elegant. It is like he is trying to reach to some happy place in the high notes but keeps getting pulled to earth.
I regret not finding this channel earlier. I am a visual learner and I can’t describe how helpful it has been to have the audio, visual sheet music, amazing program notes, AND multiple versions of each song I’ve listened to on here. It has helped me to appreciate so many previously unknown songs and pick new songs to learn.
I have known this sonata for twenty years... It's the first time I found the second movement so romantic, so soft and profund.
I learned some of the Beethoven sonatas, but I could hear right away I skipped this one.
1) I can also see right away that the shifting pace of the continuo (non-melody) parts (whether in the left-hand or right) - going from eights, to triplets, to sixteenths, to triplet sixteenths, and finally thirty-second notes - has to be an immense pain in the, um, wrist.
2) Yikes - the 3rd movement is just furious! IMO worse than #16's 3rd movement.
F minor 7:45 7:46 7:46 7:46 7:47 7:47 7:47 7:47 7:47 7:48 7:48 7:48 7:49 7:50
Holy... it's so easy to get hooked onto the last movment
Andrej Dedik Hits like crack cocaine, via the eardrum...
ca va fréro?
what an underrated masterpiece
I love this piece. Very fresh and full of humour.
Некрасиво звучит сфорцандо в левой руке на 9-й минуте,9:40
It's not underrated
@@qwertyfox3168 No , just play the left hand softer than the right hand
This is one of Beethoven's worst sonatas. Nothing underrated about it and it's not a masterpiece.
I have to agree with you--this sonata deserves 'WAY more attention than it gets. I think it's a great example of Beethoven's humor. In the first movement , as you say, he has a string of very charming themes, yet when he gets to the development, he just keeps obsessing over that little three-note cadence thing at the end of the exposition. And then he does one of his famous key-switch tricks, recapitulating in the wrong key, then scrambling to get back into the right key. The second movement is as close to a slow movement as a scherzo is ever going to get. And the last movement is just plain old bumptious fun! This is one of my favorite Beethoven sonatas, and i've studied a lot of them.
This was one of my pieces for my high school senior recital.
My daughter is studying mov 2 and 3 for RCM. I discovered the Presto because of her. I play it at half speed to understand it. Beautiful.
This is such a silly piece. There’s so much random stuff that just appears out of the blue, but still sounds really good. I like it a lot.
I just love the third movement. It’s almost like a Scarlatti sonata or a Bach invention on overdrive.
If you listen carefully, its actually quite different from what Scarlatti or Bach would compose. Listen to the finer details.
yeah, but it sounds more of a dramatic piece, Bach and Scarlatti composed more of a sort of simple feeling as the third movemet made more of a powerful feeling in the piece
How weird. I love the first two, but find the last one boring. What am I missing?
I've always seen the third movement as Beethoven's equivalent to the third movement in Haydn's B minor sonata.
@@davidunger3199 I am not too familiar with Haydn’s piano works so thank you for the reference. I definitely see what you mean.
Loving playing this, the first movement is especially physically satisfying to play.
So sorry, cant help it, cuz so is yo mama
@@cameronshapiro700 You are a goat... that being said, the first sonata is satisfying to play for sure
I love this guy's channel. He's one of those CZcamsrs I always watch but never pay attention to the name and a makeshift one forms in my mind and when I finally read it I'm blown away.
Another example,
Marioverehrer or Kurzgesagt - In a Nutshell
Truer words haven't been spoken
What is surprising is that this keen Classical music lover is a very young man. He is a Singaporean with a law degree from Cambridge U. working in Singapore. He looks to be a mix of Chinese/Indian but speaks perfect English.
I appreciate this man too here on CZcams......thanks for all your effort dude
This Sonata is so good but people underestimate it🙁
Very good! Excellent scores and great choice of recording. The clarity and finger control on the Lortie's recording is something you don't see every day!
i can't get this out of my head, i love this piece so much (don't understand much in music, but i find it amazing)
"Any reasonably objective look will show that it really is one of his best". Completely agree!
Third movement is a spectacular piece: bright, joyfull. I absolutely love it; the themes, the continous rhytm
My friend played this and it’s so beautiful, I especially love the second movement ❤️
Ashish Kumar thanks for pointing out the unusual key changes here and in other sonatas. Sometimes they are abrupt and shocking other times a simple tonic to dominant or the reverse is done artfully going through an interesting path. This increases the listener's appreciation of structure and form. Surprises are always notewothy. Starting the recap in D with a change in key signature surely is unusual..
Although going from D back to F takes us to an unrelated key, It can bee explained by modal exchange. D A7 gm C7 F,
I. V7 iv/ii V7 I. the iv chord is a modal change since it is a minor iv
The not-resolved-as-expected appoggiatura at 10:13 is amazing!
Magnificent,Breathtaking even.
Yes,true
This gives so much nostalgia
A lot of strong rain and wind, very cool temperature, tajadas frying, then going outside to play in the rain, one of the best days
Woah! So true:)
9:06 this is the most Schubertian Chord I've ever heard from Beethoven
D. 960 moment
@@cadenzalien4554 also reminds me of D 780 No. 6
I'm so grateful that I can listen to this recordings. I also play this but it is more enjoyable for me to listen to this performances.🌷❤
Beautiful, wish me luck at playing this
You can do it!!!
What a stunningly beautiful Beethoven Sonata... it captures ones interest from start to finish! 🙌 The opening subject material of the first movement is simply gorgeous, and developed extremely well, the second movement has some interesting harmonic features, and the last movement is just a lot of fun!
Thank you so much for posting these videos, and I really enjoy reading your descriptions!
It doesn't slip into E major at the restatement of the opening theme, rather that's a half cadence implying A minor; you can confirm that by the usage of the G+6 chord at that cadence.
Hidden masterpiece
......can make everyone excited
Thank you for posting this!
The last movement: when you think beethoven is done but he is bach
Now liszten here
@@attitudes745 I can't Handel these puns
@@dfkfgjfg wanna play Haydn seek instead?
Digital Dolby I wish I could but I have to go Chopin
Schuberter stop that
0.25x speed: how i be playing this
2x speed: my professor explaining to me how this song will only take a while
My favorite First Period Sonata. The ultra-compact development, the false-false recapitulation (!), the total absence of a slow movement, the mad Finale that begins making fun of the too short fugal episodes in (bad) symphonic writing, like Mozart's Musical Joke. I see this work as the ironic icing that B. puts on the cake of the traditional Sonata form before opening a whole new chapter here, beginning directly with Sonatas 7 and 8.
I seem to agree with you in every way. I am curious if you could explain what you mean by "(bad) symphonic writing"? I am aware of the sarcasm, obviously, but fear I am missing some reference.
Are slow movements of Beethoven's not widely liked?
I love this sonata so much
Apetecan7 me too 🤗beethoven makes me laugh for some reason lol
This has become one of my absolute favorites among all his other wonderful sonatas.
Me too! I'm so obsessed with it :)
Just noticed something. At the very beginning of the development in D minor, measure 68 of the first movement, in the left hand: Eighth note, eight rest, eighth note, ...QUARTER rest? 2:30
Yes, must be a mistake, you hae good eyes haha. Are you playing this piece?
Typo.
Love that presto so much.
man, I have to learn this one sometime. That finale just sounds fun as hell to play.
It is! I've played it, and it is fun. That third movement especially is a blast!
@@Papa-T-51 How difficult is that 3rd movement? 10/2 is usually listed as one of the easier Beethoven sonatas, so I assume it's not *too* bad.
Mostly pretty easy, as Beethoven goes. The scales in the recapitulation will take some practice to get up to tempo. Otherr than that it's not bad.@@timward276
@@timward276 It's not hard, as Beethoven goes. The scales in the recapitulation will take a little practice to get up to tempo, but other than that it's not bad.
Now that I hear it playing professionally, I feel so terrible at piano.
Не плачь, не у всех есть здоровье играть в бешеном темпе.
Well, when you do something for a living you do get pretty good at it
Dina? 1415926535897932 I strongly urge you to listen to Wim Winter’s version of this just posted on his channel, AuthenticSound. You will gain an entirely new perspective, not only on this sonata, but on music of the past. Check it out!
Kay Brown ok boomer
@@kaybrown4010 winter is a fraud and his videos are poorly researched if you look into it. Beethoven meant for his sonatas to played quickly and for pianists to specifically use his own metronome markings on a quarter, not on an 8th.
This is superb!
Love the gigue-like opening to the third movement. Very reminiscent of monsieur bach :)
The three movements are so nice
Specially the second one
beautiful‼️
Masterpiece of "Beetho"
I'm playing this masterpiece for my piano diploma exam
I may be too. Not decided
Haha me for my exam
How did it goes for you ?
Same here, I have a year to prepare for it 😅 How did it go for you?
How it go
Easy for diploma
My wife played this when we first met.
How sweet
flippert0
How sweet~^^
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Lucky man
Поздравляю 😂👍
Ok no one asked.
3rd movement has been an earworm for me since 1974 when I first heard it on KFAC
WOW, This Is BRILLIANT !!!
Jando playa this sonata at more or less my MAX tempo when I was in high school. His tempo of the third movement was my ABSOLUTE MAX on a good day. Otherwise I was maybe a little slower. My fingers just didn’t (still don’t) move that quickly.
One thing I have noted....people tend to denigrate piano works that are about music, not showing off your technical skills. Of course, it helps if ALL the repeats are taken.
The third movement is so brilliant. Its so joyous. It reminds me of G&S patter song.
One of the rare times Beethoven lets his freak flag fly. Great humor, not unlike the Lost Penny bagatelle.
IMO Beethoven's early sonatas were his best. youthful joy always trumps senior angst.
No
My personal favourite is Op.109, but I’m choosing between this and Op.14 in G major since this will be my first Beethoven sonata…..
@@GUILLOMYes, kid.
@@ultimateconstruction calm down lol
@@GUILLOM You know nothing about music. Go play with your toys.
man to me the highlight of this piece is the second movement
11:32-11:38 sounds a bit like Waldstein.
Rubix 79 Agreed
Oh really!
not at all
agreed
Waldstein in his second emotion phase wich was a bit more explosiv and powerfull
Great performance
I think this is one of Beethoven's "Composers against their own stareotype" piece. I sounds so uplifting and happy for like, no reason but it is still so fun.
Same for his Sonata No. 24 in F# Major. The first movement is very beautiful and lovely, and the second movement is very playful and energetic.
12:30 is sooo beatiful
Thank you very much!!!
第3楽章の見事な対位法！！
0:46
2:28
3:00
3:48
4:36
I’m playing this piece for the admission examination at my university in two days, I hope everything works out
Likely Beethoven's "prettiest" early sonata. One of my favourites, "unimportance" be damned.
LukeZX4 I can't agree with you MORE re: "'unimportance' be damned."
#4 is the best early one!
Это легкая, воздушная соната. Она написана Бетховеном когда он был ещё молодым. Это мимолетный отдых от 5 сонаты. Это одна из его самых лучших сонат!!!
Ivan Tkachev Я не согласен. Поздние сонаты более интересные. Это слишком ванильная как по мне
It's a very interesting project! It would be nice to prepare like that Mozart's sonatas
Bookmarks to Practice:
Page 1:
00:00
00:05
00:10
00:22
00:32 - triplets
00:42
Page 2:
00:46
00:53
01:14 - end
Page 3:
2:29 / 17:33
2:36 / 17:39
17:44
It seems Lortie can't keep his tempo during the third movement - he was already pushing 170 bmp which is right on the limit of presto (what B wrote). Jando nails the tempo beautifully.
It is said that Mozart was inspired by the melody; Beethoven overcame this in many ways among them what sounds here; the rhythm of texture, the play with the pauses in the right hand, the setback; and in the meantime a less apparent, harmonic melody is woven.
Wasn't mozart already dead when Beethoven composed that piece?
@@Bruce.-Wayne yes, marcos was referring to melody in the abstract not any specific melody. the "the" before melody makes it confusing
Happy birthday Beethoven!
would love to hear that ending played with full orchestra
I really enjoy playing this one, glad you appreciate it as well.
If I played it at that tempo the third movement starting at measure 85 it would be a train wreck. My forearms would lock up from tension and the whole thing would grind to a painful halt.
As an amateur who would not dare to presume myself upon any real audience, I've nevertheless had enormous pleasure tinkering with this rewarding sonata without trying the patience of family members toooo far.
there are two periods in music history: before beethoven, and after!!
The three Op 10 sonatas are gems. But hey, I am biased; give me any three Beethoven piano sonatas in any combination at any time of the day!
Amen to that!!!!(and even more so if you play them well)
Second movement sounds suspiciously like the Scherzo from his 5th Symphony!
samdajellybeenie In terms of the way it sort of swells, like the brief introduction on the 5th's scherzo?
That's called recycling themes
11:17
Hey Ashish, thanks for posting all these masterpieces, but do you play any instrument?
Ohh. Beautiful but difficult. I'm play it^^
I remember Horzowski play this sonata and i could have left the concert completely satisfied with the concert had he only played the 2nd movement. Never did I hear such a beautiful.
TJFNYC212 , you mean Horowitz?
@@g.s.3302 It's another pianist
0:13 is anyone else hearing the a motiv from the last movement of Sonata No 4.?
Yes kinda but only for les than a second
@@miguelisaurusbruh1158 Yes, but it's a clear allusion
That first movement is so playful but also very aggressive sounding.
That's the piano timbre and the way of playing.
New to piano, what would that pattern at 2:40 to 3:00 be called? It’s so beautiful
I guess there are just triplets, split into both hands, one hand is playing one note while the right hand is playing octaves
20:25
8:55-9:12 💚🧡
me da paz escutar Beethoven
Thank You GOD, for Making Sir Beethoven !! I Hear Your Divine Sparks...OH !!!!
0:47 Chopin rondo op 1
Where? I don’t understand..
12:37 . Reminds me of the development of the 7th sonata first movement
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5:12
Any reason why a few of your Beethoven sonata uploads have disappeared (seemingly only those featuring Bavouzet)?
Much of Bavouzet's recordings unavailable for complete listening even in paid music streaming services. Would not be surprised if right holders asked for removal.
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Dang she must have recognized you as the one. My “”wife to be” turned me down the first three ask outs and when I finally succeeded all I got was Partita 6 and not even on a piano.
12:13
Did you make a book of your analysis?
How is the third movement in sonata form? I would hardly call those four or five bars a second subject, and I'm having a hard time calling bar 86 a recapitulation. I think this movement is better classified as being in binary form.
op 10 is my favorite!
Can someone tell me why i got a mid-roll ad?
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