BREAK IN OR BUST?! Allis Chalmers 210 Engine Overhaul
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All of the work of rebuilding the engine of the Allis Chalmers 210 tractor is finally complete... but how long will this engine last?!
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Your series of videos is better than any drama available on TV 📺 or movie 🎬 !
I have been sitting on edge this whole time.
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I think your wife was doing a little putting on(acting like she might be upset) over the amount of money you have spent on this tractor!!!
I’ll bet she knows better than you how much you’ve spent on it(she was probably counting the dollar signs in her head the whole time)!!!
I’m not saying you won’t have to give her that trip to Hawaii, but she might let you tag along!!!
I have that exact same snap-on torque wrench. Love it
Sounds a lot better under load than before. Hope she serves you well for many years.
Still a lot cheaper than a new one.
(The tractor, by the way, not the wife!)😁
LOL
Yeh you're right a replacement wife is a VERY expensive swap!
I think the end of the video make it all complete !!!
Like that comment funny. ? The tractor not the wife?
@@JAMSIONLINE This is an excellent video 📹 hi 👋 from 🇨🇦 father and son Team is amazing respect back to the both of you 💙 ❤ 😊😊😊
Loved watching Dad move further away from Mom as the prices went up. Also wise to take Mama to HI😂
Sounds like Mom's going to HI - whether or not Farmer Jim goes along...
i live in Hawaii? Where would I take my wife? :)
Yeah, better practice saying "Aloha!"
Nice work. Thanks for sharing.
@@richardspees841 Switzerland
He was making running space 😂😂😂
Awe! That last bit! She's a keeper! I liked how he kept backing up 😂
End is so awesome and wholesome! Good laughs right there, good to see her up and running like a charm to! Thanks for taking us along your little adventure here boys
I’m not a Diesel guy, and definitely not a Tractor guy, but I’m really, really excited to see this. I think we can all appreciate the attention to detail and the feeling of victory after a difficult project. Well done!
The world is missing men like Jim everyday....keep up the old skool stuff!!!
Yeah the future generations look bleak
Thanks Jim, Yes I think you have found the problem, injector pump too far ahead with too much fuel can kill a motor, especially one that works full load for many hours like a tractor engine. Thanks guys for posting your experiences. Ted from down under.
A lot of you recommended we contact Area Diesel Service for help with the pump! Unfortunately, we had already sent it to another shop, but they did give us some advice and make a video speculating on what could’ve gone wrong with our pump!
Be sure to check it out: czcams.com/video/o81RCxEfIEg/video.html
HOW MENEY ACRES DO YOU FARM JIM . SUPRRISED THAT YOU BUILD ENGINES AS WELL DO FARMING .
you might want to pin this comment to the top.
Also where did you get the gauges you used?
That confession to his Mrs. went a lot better then I would have guessed. No shouting. No "sleeping with the dog for the month". No threats on his man hood. You, Sir, are a very, very lucky man to have such an understanding wife. She is the type of women most men would search their whole life for. Happy early Anniversary to the loving couple. xXx
He was wise to keep the camera rolling…😂
That engine is in better condition now than it was when it left the Allis Chalmers factory. Another excellent job, well done!
The initial cost was not much, but the final cost is still far below what a new tractor would cost. All in all that 210 should be a good field worker for you. Having been in the auto repair business for 45 years I knew what you were doing and it was more than just one thing that you were fighting. You were able to diagnose what it was and it seems that you now have a good reliable A C 210 to work for you for a long time. My family are international people and my cousin would take the winter to go and find one to restore for the following year to work for him.
It's personal now. He doesn't let things that he has gotten good at over the years beat him. That's the guy that you want to learn from
First of all, I love your videos and channel, because it’s so educational and about the mechanic work, processes etc, and you haven’t gotten carried away thinking that it’s you individually we are interested in. 2. I’d love to learn more about “pulling” and how you ultimately decide how “hard” to pull, where to run the tractor etc, and the economics of where you run the tractor. 3. BUT the ending with MOM was priceless!!!!!!!!!! I’m going to be laughing and smiling all day because of that!!!!!!
Watching from the Netherlands, great work. Big fan since day 1. You are amazing showing mistakes and failures, and that makes you a thrustworthy and amazing workshop. Keeping up the good work!
Really enjoyed seeing this come to life again. Thanks for taking us along for the ride 😇
Best video yet! Tractor is done for the second time, I'll bet Mom gets a trip to Hawaii, maybe by herself since the tractor cost sooo much and Dad has to work more to pay for the trip. Reminds me of growing up on the farm in PA and having to work on everything we owed because we couldn't afford to send it out to get fixed. Keep up the great video and include Mom more!
I am just glad you got it lined out it looks like. Should make a nice tractor for years to come.
Congratulations fella's glad to see it running the way it should I'm happy that it worked out for your dad.
Family is the best!! You've got a great one!!
Man I am happy to see the cleaning guy finally get his toy up and running. I do feel bad for him having to fork out that much money to get it running plus a trip yo Hawaii.. but that's how it goes sometimes
I’m happy to see you guys got it running again and took some extra care and precautions this time. Hope it gives you many years of good use.
Do it right, do it once.
It is so good to see that there are still families like this in America
There's many, they're just not the ones you're generally going to see on TV or online.
I would say most American families are like this, doing their own thing, but we're too boring and don't fit the narrative for the media.
Why would you doubt it?
Great to see it out in the field pulling and sounding great!
Great job, I knew someone with your experience wouldn't assemble an engine with insufficient clearances & it had to be fuel related. Glad it's working put for you
Did you check the piston deck height,in case of bent connecting rods due to coolant leak under head gasket or rain water down exhaust pipe?
Good to see that this didn't make the scrapyard thanks for saving another allis chalmers tractor sounds really good and looks great. My uncle was a huge A/C collector it was fun farming with them in NE miss those days thanks for sharing the complete rebuild
210s are bringing $15-20k😂 I don't think it would have made the scrapyard!
It's good to see the tractor running smooth and in limits. Also good to see the maintenance goes beyond machines and includes your relationship. 😉
i think it was a mixture of the fuel pump timing being slightly off (pumps dont necesarily time in tdc as proven to me by ford and their 20° btdc pump timing) and the extra 20% fuel mashed into it that made them tight gapped rings have the sweat of their lives! the engine now sounds much more health and happy to be working and honestly 17k old school still beats newer equipment! cheers
Good work Jim. Having your skill set and machine shop!! Is a beautiful thing!!
Mom was in good spirits hearing the "investment" Dad made with the tractor. Somehow I think Mom might be going on a shopping trip soon. lol.
I think that turned up pump, was your doom. When I spend more then I should, I always tell myself that it is a learning charge. Sent the bill to the training department. 😊
Just got done watching the Area Diesel vid talking about how the injector pump works and all it’s variables. Fascinating stuff. Hopefully your tractor is now happy and allows you to farm with it.
All wives the same on money spent?
Very funny ending.....Glad you got it running well. Hope it stays fine for you...and I think it will since it sounded great...
12:22
Lol. I was looking at his hair and noticed that it looked real today.
Thanks for the laugh and tugging on it.
Excellent that you guys contacted Area Diesel Service! Those guys are the real deal.
It looks and sounds like you won the battle. We don't hear much of Allis anymore. My deceased wife's father was a machinist at the Harvey, IL Buda plant and was responsible for making fuel-injection needles for the big Persian Orange tractors. He retired before the company went bust in 1985. The machines were highly thought of for many decades.
Congrats on the successful rebuild! Love seeing videos with you and your dad working and learning together. Hopefully this will be the last time you need to touch the engine in a long time.
And the clip at the end with Mom with both funny and touching. I’ve had a few conversations like that with my wife 😂
We still farm with Allis Chalmers tractors but mainly 8000 series and 100 series for haying. I have an injection pump that needs rebuilt on my 8050 and after your situation I am afraid of taking it off myself to send it off. I might just let our local AGCO dealer do the work. I have rebuilt several 426 engines but never took the pump off of one maybe there is a good reason for that. I enjoyed your rebuild and am glad you have it up and running again. Looks like good flat ground in your part of CO.
Really enjoyed this series. The engine sound after the final rebuild is music to my ears. I just bought my first diesel, an IDI F-250. It’s been really fun learning to work on those old diesels. Thankfully it’s a bit less expensive than your “$500” tractor! Hope it gives you guys many decades of service after this build.
I love the sound of the 426. I have one in a 7GB Fiat-Allis track loader. Straight pipe forestry sweeps.
Uh oh! Oh dear ... when Mama is in the shop, Dad has some explaining to do! The SELL though is classic! " ... tires are good" Best part of the whole video :) Lol, relatable good stuff
That last scene made me smile and chuckle out loud. I could feel the love and respect.
I guess I’m old schooled but I have never heard of belt timing. 40 plus years as a heavy equipment mechanic. I’m retired now but I’m going to look that one up. Sometimes s*** happens. Seen motor do the same and never found out why. Had one that the inside of the coolant hose would collapse and restrict flow even though it was a new hose. Good Luck
Belt timing is just a joke. The rest is serious.
I think it sounds good and responds to load as it should, as you say “ time will tell”!
Awesome to see it up and running again 😀👍
Awesome! Wish our geographic locations were closer so as to call on your shop for it's thorough and unrivaled services. Happy upcoming anniversary.
That’s awesome to see a pto dyno at your shop!
I also watched the video from Area Diesel as they described the possible issues your Allis Chalmers injection pump may have.
You guys have put a lot of work into this tractor and I enjoy the videos of the process!
I’m liking the EGT and boost gauge. Very important gauges to have even if the tractor is just stock power.
Heitman Tractor Salvage in Durand Wisconsin has new pto shafts. You should also have put the new updated rocker arm shaft in it, and plugged the rocker shaft oil drain tube. If I remember correctly allis was for every pound of boost its 10 horsepower. I'd also shim the oil pressure relief valve, that's kinda low on oil pressure when cold. All of our 426s have also double that when cold.
I was thinking the same, that oil pressure seems pretty low.
It did have break in oil in it which is usually a thinner oil.
Brings back memories as a senior in High school working a co-op job, plowing snow in an old CJ-5 with the same F head motor, always ran great. I did cylinder heads at a machine shop, Komop's Garage in Green Bay, WI.
Sure seems like you've got it now- great reward for careful rework. Now for a pto shaft video!
Love your work guys , The tractor is pulling , like a 14 year old boy . Cheers from Australia .
Some times it is really easy to over look the obvious problem, injector pump out of time, I struggle with that sometimes when you know something isn’t right, but in my mind I think no that’s probably nit the problem, and then go looking for some other cause, thanks for taking us along and sharing, we all learned alot, and how quickly the engine failed, Thank you
Good people! Thanks for sharing👍🇺🇸
Tractor sounds awesome... great job guys!
That's so satisfying to see this machine running in the field. Well done!
Back when I first saw the video of the original build running...I remarked out loud that it was running really clean! No smoke...which I think is a bad sign. You want to see smoke a little when making throttle changes and until the turbo comes up to match the flow you should see a little darkening of the exhaust. We know the pump was put together 180 out...and if they aren't symmetrical inside this could have changed how the flow works enough to make it a problem as well as the timing. Exhaust looks good and normal now...I think it's fixed right good.
CONGRATS! GOOD JOB U 2! ..... Hope she last for many years!.... I like the idea of all the new gauges, great idea!
Glad to see that thing finally running and maybe earning its keep. Fingers crossed
Brings back memories of riding with dad in our 7060 Allis. Good times.
The in cab video brings back tons of memories of riding along as a kid when we'd visit the family farm.
Would definitely like to see more of the parts washing guy farming.
Sounds perfect. Always feels good when you wrap up a build and everything works
Mum should be happy you didn't purchase a new digital monster. This generation of machinery is the most reliable and cost effective. Thanks for the journey. Cheers from Australia
That engine makes some real pretty sounds. Less than $20k for a work horse like that is money well spent.
The father son team is so awesome. ❤
Even at the higher gear that tractor just walks away with the disc with no troubles at all
Also that's a good size field.
Happy for you guys.
I really enjoyed that being i was around my neighbor's 200 Allis Chalmers some and we paired the 200 up against my 2840 JD on my feed grinder , lol , my neighbor hated John Deeres , but we had a good time
This is the best video you guys have put out to date! Not just because you got the tractor running. That is awesome! But also the conversation at the end. Priceless!
Have fun in Hawaii Mom!
(My opinion is that the injection pump was the root of your problem. That lead to a cascade failure of the engine.)
I've been looking forward to this day, to hear that come to life again!!
Sounds amazing!
Great video series and the tractor money reveal was the topper!. Keep on smiling.
Well done guys, loved your diagnosis process.
Glad the tractor is up and running. Hawaii is a great payoff to keep the wife happy.
I love the relationship between father and son, the property, and that 210. Especially mom.
Thank you for telling your story.
My Dad had one of these as well as a 180 I believe back in the day. Such good old Tractors.
Sounds so much better! I think she's gonna live this time.
YEAH BUDDY! 😊 No swiss watch runs better than that. Love the additional instrumentation. In this day of electronic everything you could sell that as an an aftermarket package for every serious old iron farm tractor that's being worked. Add a transmission temp. and hydraulic pressure gages coupled to an app to record measurements and you would have a product that would greatly benefit every farmer who runs old iron. It is my opinion that running old iron is the way to go unless you are independently wealthy. Too many new farmers make a bargain with the devil (the bank) and wind up losing everything - including the best years of their lives. This video series is a real service to every family farmer who wants to make a comfortable living and be debt free. BRAVO! 😊 I really appreciate the shout out to Area Diesel Service. Great example of how the CZcams community can be used to bring together the best of the best! So happy to hear they lived up to the recommendations!
Both our 200's have the range selector and throttle right next to you. Seems a bit more convenient than reaching. The old girl sounds good.
Nice job. It sounds awesome for a 500 dollar tractor. Just watched this and realized you spell your first name the same as me. Not a James though just Jimmie
Me too! Just Jimmie, not James. The Cleaning guy
loved the ending but i have a feeling you,re gonna have more boy thats a lot to put in a allis gotta love it
Many years ago, I borrowed my sons 210 Allis Chalmers to plow the field out back. We had a five bottom Oliver, 16 inch moldboard plow hooked up to it, and I was plowing along, not paying much attention, and I got too close to a tree along side the field, ripping the depth wheel off the plow, and I never even heard the engine slow down. That 426ci engine had a long stroke that said push me to my limit. I hated when he sold it. Jim, if you keep the pyrometer below 1200deg you should never melt down a piston. Loved the video and keep on farming.
Awesome job Jim and Nicholas.
I think you have a winner.
Tractor sounds great.
Thanks for sharing the whole process.
Was funny Dad telling Mom the price.
I have been there and done that a few times.
Honesty is always the best policy.
Take care, Ed.
I know this is a video about breaking in an engine on an old tractor but you riding around in the tractor with jim made me so emotional thinking about riding in the tractor with my grandpa when i was little. Good times and God bless you guys. Love this channel
Back in the day I can't remember what state they were from Iowa I think the McKennan brothers would bring their 210 down to the national pull here in Louisville Kentucky. They could show the red and green a thing or two. Showing my age that was a while back.
Love your mum want to see more of them both you are a lucky guy to have such a great family
Soooo Jim's going on Vacation Soon. Hawaii sounds Wonderful.
That was great at the end!!!!!! Kudos to the cleaning guy!!!!!!
Great video! it was nice seeing all your hard work in action! Loved hearing that big diesel run
Great job guys
Thanks for sharing your thought process
Hey , She got a sense of humor , That makes Her a definite keeper!
Saw the Area Diesel videos today. Then watched your videos on the drama and subscribed, thanks for the videos.
I came here from a CZcams short to see what this engine was. I thought it was a huge gasoline engine. I really love the old stuff. Grandpa had 5000 acres in NE NoDak and ran Case stuff. I really enjoyed seeing that unit rock 10 pounds of boost and pull like a champ! I bet it's rocking close to 120 HP....amazing really. Listen to her run!
You know, there might be $17,000+ into that $500.00 tractor, but…. It sounds great, looks like the issues were fixed, you won’t be making payments on it, it will be cheaper to insure against loss, and you don’t need the approval, service delays or permission of “Big Green” to work on the tractor if you need to. Cheap at the price. Once you get the bent PTO shaft fixed, I’ll bet that the tractor will be pulling implements for years after you decide to do a little more relaxing instead of working.
I get a lot more satisfaction out of putting an old tool back in shape that will outlast me, than I do having to work with a shiny new piece of plastic-covered planned obsolescence.
Love the content.
I’m sure it’s designed that way, but sure doesn’t have much oil pressure. Volume is the only thing that matters. Sounds and smoke looks spot on.
This ending made it worth it all! You guy's are awesome!
The ending is the best part!!!
So glad to see that tractor up and running like brand new. It looks great. You also have a beautiful dog and a very understanding wife. Thank you for sharing such great videos.
Great series!! Throw a 6 or 8 set of these plows behind her and let her eat in a 40 acre field!! That should tell everything you need to about the fresh overhaul. Wag on the fail it was probably the injection pump or the timing. Sucks that y’all didn’t get more proof. Keep up the good work.
Your dad is a wild man on a tractor!!! I would be so worried about a new build blow up....
Sounds good, love to see your 100 series ACs, they are my favorite tractors. I love the look of the factory cabs, I grew up in a 200 like yours
Love the video series. I only own an Allis WD so the step up to these monsters is beyond me. Hope she lasts a long time for you now!