Aegir and Ran | Misunderstood Deities | Walking The Line Between Jotun and Gods
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The Jotun of the Oceans, Friend of the Gods, is married to the Sea Goddess of Death. What legends do we find associated with this? And what dark rituals were associated with these Gods?
music by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio
Further Reading:
Frithjof's Saga
Letters of Sidonius
The Prose Edda - Snorri Sturluson
Myth and Religion of the North - EOG Turville-Petre
Gods and Myths of Northern Europe - HRE Davidson
00:00 - Intro
00:13 - The Saxons ships and Sidonius
02:22 - Ægir and Jotnatru
05:18 - Rán & Frithiof's Saga
07:09 - The story of Thorstein Cod-Biter
07:40 - Ægir the hospitable
09:32 - Conclusion: Planet Ægir & Rán the star
Nice job Ocean! I always enjoy seeing what has triggered your mind goblins in a particular week lol
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"I have no problem worshipping death gods." Awesome! Same here.
I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find a Norse deity that has no connection to either death or war. And since war implies death, I don't see how anyone could worship the Norse Gods if they have a problem with Death Gods.
Giving the gold rings to his followers as presents for Ran reminds me of the ancient Greek ceremony of marrying the sea by throwing a ring into it.
Might be connected to the (at least Anglo-Saxon but maybe Germanic in general) practice of a lord being the "giver of rings." Regularly rewarding followers with treasure in reciprocity and rewarding service.
6:25 "Chill are her kisses, airy is her embrace, but, with golden treasure, sea-bride do we hold"
I just loved that phrase
How different from the Neptune of the Romans! Ever mistrustful of the sea, Neptune began as a god of sweet waters and fertility. His cult was never as large among the Romans as Poseidon was among the Greeks. Even his consorts were goddesses of fertility and sex. Then again the North Sea is far rougher than the Mediterranean . Thanks for sharing this
Thank you for this explanation of Ægir and Rán! I’ve been a beer brewer and beer industry professional for 12 years. Ægir speaks to me on that level. I’ve wanted to invite him into my hearth cult. But I was told not to “worship” the Jötunn. I choose to show him respect and honor nonetheless. I’m also an Enneagram Type 2 “The Helper”. Hosting people is what I do. Making my home, my food, and my ale available to my friends and family is so important to me.
There is no issue with following Aegir. I'm not really one to regularly follow Jotun, but Aegir and Ran seemed to have been historically worshipped, and are associated with the Gods. Having him in your hearth cult is in no way heretical or blasphemous or anything like that.
As a hobbyist brewer I pay homage to Ægir every time I brew or host a party
Don't listen to what others tell you to "worship" or honour or not, whether it be a thurs, jötunn, vaettir, áss or vanr. That way lies unhappiness.
Ran and Aegir are on my primary altar as Lady and Lord. Ocean, your comments come far closer to what I have found in working with them, than you normally see. The information seems so twisted, that it seems some of what was known and believed of them was lost, or changed, as Christianity advanced (this last is my opinion only.)
I don't know how this happened, but it has become a common misconception that the Jotnar were giants. But in reality, they were a tribe of gods similar to the Aesir and Vanir. They were gods of chaos which at times made them "evil" but not all of them were bad.
And becaue of their chaotic nature, their appearence could vary drastically, from troll-like, to animals, to giants, and to more human-looking, they came in all shapes and sizes.
Thank you !! I've always seen the Jotnar as Gods. I read somewhere that Jotun translated to "mighty", so I view them as having great power, which can sometimes be dangerous to us (just like the forces of Nature), but dangerous doesn't necessarily mean "evil" (which to me is more of a human concept). I never understood this insistance of making the Jotnar into "demons".
Just in time. I was reading about Aegir because I got a job at a brewery. Thanks
The timing of this video is peculiar for me. I started watching The Last Kingdom on Netflix and in it was the first time I heard of Ran. Then, about a week later, you make a video involving her and Aegir. That's interesting. Loved the video. The mentioning of those planets has me thinking of Space Vikings as well.
Space Vikings.
@@OceanKeltoi Yessss.
"Space Vikings from Planet Aegir" sounds like it could be a book or movie from the 80's. Lol.
Always good to see my girl Rán getting the attention she deserves
'We sang good victorysongs, for all crazy women..'
For those of you who are really into Rán as the Robber of Souls and her nine daughters, I recommend you listen to the song *Blódbylgje|Bloodwave* by Kati Rán, featuring Gaahl. It's an absolute gem, especially the (translated) lyrics. You won't be disappointed.
Thank you!!
I am liking these videos looking at the heathen Deities. They are a lot more nuanced and interesting that you would think from how they are portrayed in media .
Sacrifice for the algorithm gods and keep up the good work entertaining and educational
Very interesting that you were drawn to ‘Ocean’ before discovering Aegir; I had been drawn to ‘Ingrid’ for years before I learned it has the same meaning as my birth name, just a different language root. I also worship Skadi, and found out her feast day is my birthday! Cool stuff how the gods will guide you right to them. Thanks for the video!
I'm a simple man... I hear "Saxon" and I click the like button.
I'm an Irish man aaaaaaand I have very different impulses about Saxons.
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@@frankatronx8041 Lol, fair enough. No worries from me, my branch stayed in Old Saxony.
really enjoying this channel I've felt like Ive been faithless yet I find my self always pointing in the directions of Norse Gods,
this is helping me find a faith in praising nature in the totems of these gods. I might even start praying again.
Thanks for such an amazing video! I was wondering if you were planning on one on Njord and the difference between the two? As a Celtic polytheist who worships a smattering of heathen gods your videos have been amazing to watch.
I've been loving all your videos Ocean. I am new to the Norse Pagan path, coming from a christian background as is pretty standard these days. These videos have been great tools to illuminate and understand aspects of the faith. I'd love to hear you dive into Hel and Helhiem.
Planning on it!
I eagerly await it then! She's such an interesting figure to me.
I think of Helheim as a place of purification rather than punishment. The venom dripping on the souls of the dead is a way of burning out their crimes. Thus, I think of Hel as a carer of the dead.
Too many death godesses (like Hel, Hecate and Ran) are depicted as evil. See also Izanami. She actually acts in concert with Izanagi.He creates the living beings and she gathers them in again. The fact that she resides under the sacred mountain Fuji is evidence of her sacred role.
I wrote a version of the Japanese creation story from Izanami's perspective that keeps all the elements of the myth but reinterprets the context.
I'm breaking out my popcorn popper right now, this is gonna be good.
love ya content and videos Ocean keep it up
This art is just fantastic, cannot wait for the premier
Thank you good sir for another excellent video!
As usual, impressive, insightful, Bravo
This was a great video. Super informative. Thank you sir.
thanks for the awesome vid
Amazing video. Very educational and appreciated. Please keep these videos about the deities coming!
Great video as always sir. Thank you for taking what you do so seriously. Greatly appreciated.
This was beautiful!
Man, the closing of the this video gave me chills lol. Nice job😁
Great video Ocean! Gotta love ocean and death deities!
Between your voice and your tales you sometimes give me chills..
I would love it if this became a series looking at other similar under appreciated Norse beings. Great video and super interesting factoid at the end.
Thank you for giving such thought provoking insights.
So, my initial distillations: if . Aegir is a power of the sea, then seafood is his bounty; as such it is only right to give Him gifts for the gifts received there from.
Thus occurred to myself while working a busy fish fry shift. On my way home the nature of gifts resolved to be the fruits of the land: brewing goods, bread, honey, yeast, flour.
AAANNNNDDDD ... subscribed. Your words and works have helped those at my hearth more than you can know. Thank you, brother, for what you do.
Wonderful!
I have been binge watching all of your videos recently, and this was very interesting to learn. Much of what you have said I already knew, besides folkism and other problematic shit, but I didn’t know about these two in much detail up until now, and it was super awesome to learn about them.
I always assumed Njord was the principal ocean deity of the norse people - but it would make sense for a seafearing civilization to have more than one sea god, maybe they saw in Njord the more benevolent aspects of the sea, such as fair winds and bountiful catches? As a student of history and anthropology, I would give my right eye for a time machine (and a translator, of course) so I could better understand how these people saw the world and the gods that lived in it
Njordr is the God of Ships. He's more associated with fishing and trade. I'm sure offering was given to both by merchants and vikings. Aegir is often seen as the 'other' sea deity, when I think he's much more interesting than many let him on to be. Especially with his relationship to Ran. But I plan on making more deity related videos, so Njordr is definitely on the list.
@@OceanKeltoi Maybe Njördr was the god above the sea and Ægir the god below the sea?
thank you, i enjoyed your approach to both Aegir and Ran, for whom i have great respect
Thank you for this interesting content.
Every time you upload a video I happen to be studying for an exam and I love it because I take it as a justified break. Keep it up
That's the plan!
Really enjoy your videos, you do know your stuff and done your homework, hail to you ocean, I'm heathen and proud to know we too can elaborate on other topics and even politics as many Christians and peoples who mock us would believe we're ignorant, thanks for sharing
Thank you for your insight on Ran and Aegar.
Hmmm, casting lots to whom should be sacrificed sounds very much like old Frisian custom as well. They were often confused with the Saxons as a seafaring nation long before the Vikings. King Redbad or Radbod is known to have lots cast for a sacrifice to Wodan after the sacrilege of sacrificial cattle by saint Willibrord. Willibrord was said to also have saved two youths on another occasion who actually were sacrificed to the gods of the sea by binding them to a pole at low tide. They drowned in the flood, but were revived in a 'miracle' performed by the saint. Willibrord took Ovo and his brother with him after this, since the Frisians considered them as 'walking dead' nad no longer welcome. Ovo became a priest later on. An old friend of mine who used to be a fisherman in his younger years in Staveren told of a custom among fishermen to keep a pebble with them as a keepsake while another pebble was laid in the windowsill facing the IJsselmeer (once the Súder See). If the ship would sink, the (soul) of the fisherman would then still be able to escape the sea and find his way home as if guided by a thread.
This is the best video I have found. I have a spiritual bond with the goddess as my guide. I love this explanation
Hello there Brother, I've been watching your videos for awhile now and it's been a big help for me. Your knowledge has played in a part of my path in Norse Paganism. Keep up the good work, and go with the Gods.
Do you believe in this as literal or like a bunch of fables?
Excellent start to the morning,
Hi Ocean! I found your channel a few days ago and I have to say thank you for providing such insights into Norse paganism (or Heathenry). I’m also a polytheist pagan and the information you have shared in your channel has helped me greatly to shape my path. Keep up the great work and I can’t wait to see this new video! Hail! ✊🏻
We call ourselves pagan. Its fine. Polytheist also works though.
Very much looking forward to one of my favourites.
Aegir and Ran remind me of Hades and Persephone, particularly after a recently (to me) heard possibility that Poseidon and Hades are one god with two names.
i would have to think that making these videos is a form of offering and reciprocity
Its a devotional activity, to be sure.
Hail and well met! I encountered you on CZcams nine days ago. I am known as Fjordrider amongst the Norse polytheistic community. Your videos have helped me heal from a particularly stressful and scary week last week. Fantastic work! This was the first video of yours I stumbled upon, and I love your channel. I was beginning to think that I was one of a very select few folks who could see Rán in a positive light. I'm sending dow that diving bell... I mean, notificaiton bell... right now! :)
When I was purging myself of the dregs of the christian indoctrination, the first thing I worked on was the heaven/hell doctrine since that's the thing I had the most issue with. My senses indicated that death isn't this evil thing... and what comes after, if anything, wouldn't be either being an eternal worship battery for this vain being, or to be tinder for the fire that warms and recharges the worship battery eternally... I had always seen Death as a doorkeeper. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing to be disrespected.
I suppose that's why I've had no issues with working with Kali, The Morrigan, Anubis etc... they're not evil, they are as they are, and they are necessary to maintain balance. Nothing wrong with paying them homage and revering them, nothing at all.
I hope Disney makes a movie about them
Wonderful content per usual!
The only thing is that it's just Hel, not Helheim.
Thank you so much for all of your hard work that goes into these videos, it really shows that you truly care about this topic!
To find a wave or make one?
nooooo
well done post.
As a german who loves the north sea and had read a lot about the violent and deadly history of the north coast of germany, I see the north sea as the personification of Ran.
The North sea seems calm and harmless, but without the permanent work on the deichs the sea would eat up the coastline, like it did in past times, ten thousands of people died in the " große Mandränke" in 1362, massive amount of land got lost in the tide.
I will always greet the water when I arrive, I have to touch it, have to speak to it. Soem Friends of mine joked that I must have been a fisherman in my past life, or a fish, because I am always drawn to the water.
I dont know much about Aegir, never felt a particular connection to him, but Ran is always in my mind when I am at the water.
mmm what a wonderful end to the evening💜
Glad you enjoyed it ^_^
You are great Keltoi❤❤🙋♀️Greetings from Germany
Sooo if you're Ocean and Aegir is the god of the Ocean and he loves Ràn the sea goddess of Death...then doesn't that make you Thanos?? 🤔🤔
Sorry I'm a nerd great video as always 🙂🙂
I am inevitable.
@@OceanKeltoi Oh snap 🙌🙌
@@hammerofthor7218 Nooo no snap !
@@joannajett2524 lol!
First! Also Great Video!!
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Hail to the speaker! I hear and will add to those I sacrifice to.
I was curious if the worship of Aegir played a part in your name or not. As usual, awesome video good sir.
My name actually predates that. But I have for a long time had a love of the ocean. So it was only a matter of time before i started practice with Aegir.
On the conclusion. I've always found it interesting there are 9 realms, earth is midgard, and there are 7 other planets in our solar system. With asgard having such specialized requirement for entry, makes sense to me why no mere man could see it
I just want to thank you for these videos with your channel, RedWolf and Wind in the World Tree it's given me hope for Heathenry.
That being said, I would like to know how you view the God's. Are they anthropomorphic beings that exist or something else.
Taking the example of Aegir and the Sea where does that place other God's such as Neptune and others associated with the Sea?
You are really starting to grow on
Me
May the bells of the deep ring for your honor..
So good! (Obligatory comment to help your algorithm)
Maybe you can pose a question for people to discuss in the chat for critical thinking 🤔
Growing up on a small island, I've always felt a special bond with Ägir and even more so with Ran. It makes perfect sense to me that they are both sort of blood thirsty 'devourers' and genorous at the same time, because that is the nature of the ocean. Where I'm from, even nowadays people die at sea, and even more so a few generations ago, but the sea also provides a lot of people with food and livelihoods and it's not that long ago by sea was also the fastest and easiest way to travel for people living on the coast.
Okay... I know the name Cod-Biter is most likely referring to the fish. However whenever I hear that name I can't help but think of a codpiece. This leads me to imagine a scene where Thorstein was losing a fight and in a final act of desperation he just bit the opponent's dick.
Ocean, I liked this alot. Your voice, wow. 👍🥰✌😷🎃
Thank you so much!
On a non serious note. Anyone else think Thorstein Cod-Biter is one of the most hilarious names ever given?
You bite one cod...
I like how Ägir is not just a god that are given the sea as his domain (like Poseidon); but a jotnar that is a force of nature, and that IS the sea. His wife is the sea as well and their daughters are waves!
This video had an advertisement from Gaia, Inc., anyway interesting that you're tackling individual deities from Norse and Germanic mythologies! Isn't there also a sea-god named Njord?
@Ocean, hi found you channel really interesting, ever since I got out of high school I’ve been fascinated with other mythologies because I was raised Christian and they never explain other religions to us I found the other myths really cool, but I’m curious what’s your opinion the fact that modern culture sees your belief system as nothing more then myths and folklore and how do you deal with it being handled in a pop culture sense ei Marvel’s Thor & God of War
There is a comic book that depicts Jesus Christ as a hunter of vampires. I've found that the Marvel Thor stuff only gets more people interested in this faith than dissuades them. So there's more people asking questions, and that's fine at the end of the day.
As for the rest of our culture. They can make fun of it if they want. But when they do it to my face, I tend to respond with asking a few questions about why they see it that way. Sometimes a relaxed but serious response is all that's needed.
great video, was Ran ever referred to as the Sea Witch
Not that I’ve seen. but likely could have been.
This is really weird, because I worship the kraken and in my belief she had the same quality of both of these gods as you described. It's an interesting example of same god different name for me
So when Lokis , kids where disposed of one was send to aigirs realm and one was given tho ran as a Student.
i notice that poseidon from jason and the argonauts appears in the titles; is this another hidden reference to gods of the sea? i noticed that ran is depicted picking up and holding a sailing ship.
Could you please do a video on either Thor and his children or Loki and sigyn and their children?
What are your thoughts on Black Dragon Tavern, aka Slimyeezus?
May you please make a video on Fjorgyn I would like to know more about her
If it feels right, that is what counts for you. Speaking as a person who's almost drowned, I do not honor either of them but I'd be more keen on honoring Eagir than Ran. Ran, for me, has a whole lot of nope written allover her. That's me though. It says nothing about anyone else.
You: ...take a long hard look at Odin.
Me: *brinks*.... Where to start.... ;-X
Really beautiful and insightful video. About human sacrifices, it's interesting to see that even christians, in their earlier period, were accused to make human sacrifices (of foetuses, to create the bread for their mass), so that is and was truly spread through every country and civilization...and the reference to the nine waves is interesting, Ireland is protected, in the sagas of Eriu, by nine waves...maybe a syncretism here? About the similarities between Ægir and Poseidon (i.e. the spear and the trident), these kind of details always make me suspicious...it's like "making strangers' gods more similar to the ones we know", if you understand what I mean... And about the cult, since I saw many comments about that, why shouldn't you worship the Jötunn? They were there, primordial forces, and if it's true that we don't have many proofs of their worship in the past, it's also true of the opposite, I believe that people would worship or try to appraise which entity resonated with them...like Skadi (another Jötunn), or Ullr...as long as we keep on studying and be conscient of what are we doing, we can include in our cult every entity that resonates with us.
I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on the song Emblas Saga by Brothers of Metal.
Funny to see this was made 2 years ago amd I am just not on this road. It is like a sign post on this road
I follow not Norse Goddess but i'am fascinated of Norse Mithology i love to know all human mithology and you werw recommended to me
I know of some people who've drowned . There was a girl.ij my hometown who drowned trying to save a friend there's a plaque for her at the park I discovered one time felt like hollowed ground. There was a girl from my old church who drowned in the rapids and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some people drowned in the canal near my house as well. I know there was a stalker who roamed these parts so working with Ran might be in order
I do have a question, so as ive gone through pagan poems, stories, and myths. And i was wondering why the number 9 shows up so many times? is it sacred or is it just a coincidence that im looking to much into?
It seems to have been sacred. But the details are unclear.
@@OceanKeltoi thank you for the clarification, im still knew to this whole heathenry thing
What is the general practice of those to worship the Jotun?
Hey Ocean! Do you have any advice on how to construct your own hearth cult? I can see that it is probably a very personal thing, but do you have any guide posts for a beginner?
I will likely make a vid on this soon. Thanks for the question!
@@OceanKeltoi awesome!
One additional question. I have a particular interest in Odin. What poems/stories/books, ect do you recommend for learning about him?
I have always wanted to bring real world Mythology into my Call of Cthulhu games, I'd probably have Aegir and Ran as distortions of Father Dagon and Mother Hydra.
I feel like there was a part of the lore missing. Aegir would only consume those who didn't have gold to appease his wife.
Are you on Spotify or Pandora? CZcams kills my battery
What about the god Njord? Is he not a god of oceans? The jotnar to me are like the greek story of the titans. The first gods the wild ones of nature. Until the aesir defeaded them and took over. But still im curious about Njord.
So were king Kari God of wind Fornjotssonof Kvenland, Logi god of fire and Sno Den gamle Frosteaon of Kvenland where we got Santa Claus, Jack Frost and heat Miser from??
If Ran where to walk amongst us today what would she be wearing? How would she look and act compared to the Norse days?
Hey ocean I am curious what did you go to school for?
History and comparative religion.
@@OceanKeltoi nice history was always a favorite study of mine might be why I converted from catholic to polytheism
If Ran has a net then why are the gods unaware of what a net is? Loki makes and names it before capture.
Unfortunately sacrifice was normal back then i can't imagine in norse mithology was no sacrifice.My Goddess loves hounds and sadly back then the people sacrificed her dogs also as food and other stuff