Tomb Raider Remastered - Assault Course, Modern vs. Tank controls demonstration
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- After a few hours of wrestling with "modern controls" for the Tomb Raider Remastered collection, I can conclude that it's not really that bad of an implementation. Also, you don't need to do a backstep in order to setup for a 4-tile jump. Just setup at the back and you'll do fine.
They should've implimented a hybrid;
Modern control on analog stick, tank control on the D-pad.
That's a phenomenal idea 💡
I use tank controls on the running movement on the analog and walk steps on d-pad for fine walk control and strafe but a hybrid would be interesting.
That's exactly what I've been thinking all along, it would be awesome
Just like Resident Evil 1 and 0 does ❤
Yes, that would be ideal. There are spots where the tank controls are easily superior. Those times are not when you're just trying to walk around a corner without feeling like you're controlling a robot.
Im actually really glad they implemented modern controls, I’ve gotten through the first and second game and now I’m halfway through the third with the modern controls, but I will have to give tank controls a go at some point, it’s gonna take some time to learn them 😅
Bro, yo me acostumbre el primer día, tampoco es pa tanto... 😅
I play since i was a kid the only option (tank controls) now with the remaster i learn moderns and yes they are so much better and guns draw a little bit faster
@@EdwardAsens that’s awesome to hear! 😁
Wish they made a modern/tank hybrid with fully customizable button mapping.
Let's hope in the next update 🙏
This
On steam you can map to keyboard and then map that to joy2key button presses to relay buttons to the keyboard commands.
You can clearly get reliable results with tank controls but what's not depicted is the hours it takes to get used to those tank controls.
As noted in the description, it took a few hours to get used to modern controls, but I neglected to mention that I had an entire childhood to spend on playing TR1 on my PSX. The recording on the left took about 5 tries to get right, but the recording on the right took 1 try.
I'm not really up for arguing about which control scheme is better, I just hate to see both written off as either "badly implemented" or "outdated" when they're clearly fine for playing Tomb Raider.
@@SuperTopmasterThanks for the context, but I'm a little confused by that, why did it take so many attempts with modern controls? Does it not feel like a typical platformer or was it more about it being in conflict with your muscle memory... maybe a bit of both?
1 step back to long jump is more complicated than spinning her around to get enough steps?
@@runarvollanTo the uninitiated, yes. Most platformers don't have a backward bunny-hop command.
@@tyclips4155 A big part of it was the controls feeling more restrictive than a typical 3D platformer. The restrictiveness includes having a delay in Lara's jump, losing a lot of control in the air, as well as a big delay when starting a running jump. Jumping also behaves differently if you input (Jump -> Direction) or (Direction -> Jump), meaning order of inputs matters. Now I don't play a lot of 3D platformers, but taking into account running distance, air turning speed, and input order for a singular jump is pretty hardcore for one.
The "big delay" I've mentioned earlier is the reason why so many people are so accustomed to being able to backstep on tank controls. Lara needs the run up in order to make a 4-tile jump, so I started just spinning her in place when I used modern controls instead of trying to setup a backstep.
Old controls are more elegant and technical, I like it a lot!
Same here. I'm currently playing through TR1, and I've noticed that modern controls allows me to be more careless in my platforming skills, while tank controls forces me to consider each jump. Both playstyles are quite unique. I personally enjoy modern a little bit more even though I tend to die more due to my carelessness.
Elegant? Not sure about that I would say way more frustrating when even simple platforming becomes a monumental task. The later tomb raider games were much easier to control like legend on the psp and ps2
@@therunawaykid6523 That's the whole point, guide the character through obstacle courses yourself, master it. New TR is all so automatic, that they have to add a lot of shooting to make it interesting.
@@Timbermannetje also the thing with older games is the lack of assistance, I was playing tomb raider chronicles on a ps1 emulator for the first time yesterday and at the beginning of the game you get to a box which you have to climb up then jump across a gap to another platform and because of the terrible tank controls jumping across a gap to another platform was impossible. I looked up a gameplay vid of this beginning section and apparently you aren’t even supposed to go that way what you’re meant to do is press the two switches in the fountain area then go up the stairs, shoot the glass windows then jump across to the other area I mean how tf did I know you were meant to do that 🤣🤣🤣 I’m glad modern games give you some kind of clue to where or what you need to do next I always hate getting lost in games and having zero idea where I need to go next takes the fun out of the game to me and you have to end up looking up a let’s play just so you can continue playing the game
Tank control are better for one simple reason you need precision in this game
I'm not so sure about that. Maybe I'll get around to playing TR1's New Game+ to see how true this statement is.
When 1 step back to long jump is more complicated than spinning her around to get enough steps😛
Spin 2 win 😎
You can still step back with modern controls, when in camera mode, hold back as you take off camera mode.
While I'm glad the ability to backstep is still in modern controls, I think this is unintended behavior and may or may not get patched out in some future update.
@@SuperTopmaster You can also step back by just holding the weapons - LT / L2 button and tapping back. You can also backflip by holding LT/L2 and pressing jump immediately followed by back and side flip by pressing left or right. I find modern controls far better for traversal but is a bit hit and miss (literally) during combat. I played the OG games back on PS1 and find the modern controls better for the most part. Just wish they would sort out the camera in the tighter corridors/tunnels.
@@mikkdc Oh yeah, I completely forgot about being able to backstep all that if Lara has her weapon out!
Considering that you can only reliably backstep when Lara is facing toward or away from the camera (not looking to the side) and couple that with camera issues at tight corridors/against walls or ceiling, I just end up not recognizing "backstepping" a reliable option during a platforming section and I end up relying on Lara being able to turn on a dime with modern controls.
My god, the Modern Controls look so goofy underwater.
Modern controls are better now i just got a 1:16 time with the new update.
Very nice! I'll have to play TR2 and TR3 once I find some time. Have you had any issues with the camera freaking out in small spaces like corridors in the new update?
@@SuperTopmaster I had an issue sometimes with swimming in small/tight places. But apart from that I had no issues.
Today I did speedrun on Tomb Raider 1 getting all collectibles, secrets, floor tiles, I managed it in just over 3 hours playing entire game with modern controls.
Sometimes I do think tank controls are better for certain parts, but I felt like overall modern controls were better and far easier to speedrun with.
I'd still pick modern controls over tank any day
Me too. I'm playing the remasters full modern controls and I'm really enjoying it
Then you are either a Old Newb that couldn't hack these games in their day or you are a New Newb that wasn't alive to remember when games didn't literally hold your hand and guide you to every key and door.
@@dcpunisher4781stop yapping for no single reason
Yeah me too playing tank controls today is ridiculously difficult having to rotate your character just to line up a jump is tedious and frustrating
@@dcpunisher4781 what a bunch of gatekeeper bullshit.
We need more videos like this showing ppl that the controls are fine sad that the biggest TR channels all hated them and didn’t even give them a fair shake
Tank controls all the way
Tank controls for jumping, Modern controls for chases/boulders
And of course you can hear good Winston and the clattering dishes (or are those his bones?) in the background.
The demonstration is not very accurate. Tank is only better in this demonstration because of the mistakes made on the modern side. Modern is actually faster, but less precise - however, that level of precision is not required for the assault course.
It speaks for itself that glitchless speedruns use modern controls while glitched speedruns use tank (you need the precision of tank to reliably execute some of the harder tricks).
I only use modern controls, if you get used to it you can do it quicker than in tank controls. At the end of the day it's just a preference I guess.
Yeah I also much prefer modern controls trying to play tomb raider chronicles on a ps1 emulator is painful as simple platforming becomes ridiculously difficult so glad the later tr games didn’t have them tomb raider legend controlled great - crash bandicoot and Mario 64 didn’t have tank controls 😐😐
The games were meant for tank controls, modern controls weren't necessary in the first place and basically show offs, look I can spin around
Interesting comparison video! I have not even tried the modern controls yet (I have completed the first Tomb Raider and Unfinished Business so far with original controls), I grew up with the tank controls and they are second nature to me (on a controller), although I don't think I could have ever learnt using the keyboard controls.
I wonder which would take more time to learn - modern controls for the remaster or tank controls with a keyboard...
Probably tank controls with a keyboard, in your case. Modern controls took a bit of experimenting and researching to understand its benefits and quirks, because the developers don't explain or even tell you that they exist!
It misses a button to change tank/modern on the run.
Combat is better with modern, platforming is better with tank.
Along with a button of quick save hahahaha
I would like to say I'm pretty good with the tank controls now, but the game is noticeably slower without modern controls, as turning around and making direction changes is much easier with modern. Tank controls are incredibly satisfying to pull off well though. Especially combat, and my favorite is fighting human enemies with the run past them and roll + Shotgun strat
While I was looking forward to modern controls as I love how LAU controls, I couldnt even get to the first jump in TR 2 without falling over and over. With Tank controls i could step back and jump with precision. But good to see some people got the hang of it
Yeah, the game's timing and physics seem to give tank controls a pretty good advantage when it comes to methodical platforming. Once you learn the timing of Lara's running jump, I suggest to switch back to modern controls and try it feel out the timing, especially when you jump from different angles.
Modern control long jumps are legitimately so annoying. I wish we had tank controls on dpad in modern mode.
Tank controls are for tanks.
Yeah imagine how frustrating and difficult it would have been if Mario 64 had tank controls it would take ages just to do simple platforming
Tank controls are best, but switching to modern controls was helpful when avoiding traps.
First playthrough I played with tank controls but remastered graphics, second playthrough old graphics but modern controls. Third playthrough imma play it with modern controls andremastered graphics 😎
When new players wanna use the alternative modern controls, that's fine with me. But I just wanna say.. from what I've seen so far in Let's Plays, any time they get into fights against enemies, you can put on "Yakety Sax / Benny Hill Theme". Well, at least it's good entertainment I guess. 😂
I'd just chalk it up to modern controls not being modern enough, but a good middle ground for the old Tomb Raider games :D
Modern control is better, you lose time in the dive.
I like tank control better cause it makes the d pad viable
This is why we should have a hybrid where modern-style movement is on analog, and tank-style movement is on d-pad.
0:41 you clearly went for further reaching dive with tank controls giving you the advantage on the timer so it's kind of a pointless test.
The camera on the modern controls is annoying especially in small rooms. Tank is superior for me. (Having played tomb raider in ps1 years ago).
I could never get Lara to run, jump, and grab a ledge with modern controls. Not sure why
Sounds like a timing issue. Lara requires a shorter run-up for the running jump compared to tank controls.
No back and side flips makes the tank look inferior.
When in reality you are not stuck in the unidimensioinal over the shoulder perspective.
Care to explain the advantage to using back/side flips outside of combat?
@@SuperTopmaster The game is a 3d platformer, just like 2d you can jump forward or backwards, in 3d you can jump on 4 directions. There are alot of places that require you to make a combination of jumps on all directions on all games of the franchise.
@@guilhermecaiado5384 I haven't really encountered anything in TR1 that "require" me to use those jumps. I'd like an example of that.
Perhaps there are good examples in TR2 and TR3, but I have yet to play those games.
@@SuperTopmaster Never finished TR1. I was too young when it came out and though anniversary was the superior version, so i finished it several times on ps2, psp and ps3. Recently played lots of 2, and lots of secrets requires a combination of direcional jumps.
Even tho the main game requires it on timed stuff and platforming.
Some people just cant finish temple of xian because of a backwards flip and grab they cant perform.
@@SuperTopmaster well back and sideflips and get you to platforms quicker and easier in certain scenarios compared to turning and a forward jump. The side ones are great for quickly pulling a lever jumping sideways then running forwards through a door. Or sometimes you can jump to a ledge, backflip back to safety and unload into an enemy without turning or moving the camera. But the most important use of these jumps is to make lara look fancy, kind of like the handstand ledge climb, you can live without it but it looks cool lol
Modern controls don't work properly because it will need a camera fix too.
I thought the camera got fixed in some recent update? (in context to small corridors)
they really butchered the swimming with tank controls especially in TR1, Tomb1Main still holds strong
Was unrealistic how fast she turned underwater now modern controls are here so u can turn even faster even do a full 360 in half a second 😂
sorry, but you trolled hard with modern, they are clearly more agile.
I'd agree more if the camera didn't freak out in small corridors 😅, TR1 on modern controls was fun, though!
@@SuperTopmaster they fixed it on the patch, didn't they?
@@slowedvsbattle I've been busy with other games so I didn't notice, but I did a brief test in Natla's Mines. They did a good job fixing the camera!
Tank controls or bust!
U losed time with modern control.... i with modern control did it in 1.14-1.16, with tank control 1.17-1.18 like u... with modern control u can do any jumps in better ways and u don't did it... u losed time when jumped before in many moments 🤷🏼
I dont know what a tank control is
The original control layout.
@@TheJta20 the original game was on the Nintendo 64 right?
yes@@JerryCan101
@@JerryCan101PS1. With no joystick
@@JerryCan101 tank control means you first need to turn your character on spot in the direction you wanna go. Like a tank does when its turning on a spot (czcams.com/video/jEC9cCRwfkE/video.html).
Modern controls look awful
🌸 *promo sm*