Eine ganz hervorragende Arbeit! Respekt. Man kann Eure Zuneigung zu SONOR!i deutlich spüren. Ihr habt auch bei vielen meiner Sonor-Restaurationen hervorragende Leistungen gezeigt. Sehr empfehlenswert! Topp Gruss Arne Suter!i
I’m a proud owner of a humble Sonor Force 2001 kit. I customized it a little bit with some additional tom mounts and a floor tom from Pearl. I bought it in early 2002. I still play and record with it to this day.❤
Seid ihr verrückt? Bei DW würde man das dreifache zahlen. Eure drums sind der Hammer, ich habe selber eines. Sonor drums sind auch Top Schlagzeuge. Aber das Set ist anbetracht eurer Arbeit geradezu verschenkt. Ich hoffe ihr habt es sofort verkauft, sprich an jemanden, der das schätzen kann was ihr da zaubert.
Vielen Dank für den lieben Kommentar! Wir haben das Set noch nicht verkauft, wir brauchen es noch um Part 2 zu drehen 😅 aber wir hoffen natürlich, dass es danach einen glücklichen Abnehmer finden wird
AMA ZING!!!! I have an original 80´s Sonor Lite kit sizes 10", 12", 13", 14" rack toms, 16" floor tom, and 22" bass drum. I had all Signature stands. 2 x double tom stands, snare stand, 3 x semi boom cymbal stands, and 1 x boom cymbal stand. I still have 1 x of the double tom stands, but sold all the others for around 1800€. I still have ALL the drums. They sound amazing. Especially in the recording studio. i´m now a proud Pearl/Zildjian endorser, and own a 7 piece Masters kit, and a 5 piece Crystal Beat kit. :)
Veeeerrry loooonnng lol! The late 1980's/early 1990's ha!! I grew up on the drum catalogs from this era (the power Tom era) in middle school through the late 90's after high school.
No sir from now on it is and will be 🍺 ing edges . This decree has been announced by the king of Texas me . Matthew Alan Kitchens who might I add is of German descent on my good side . Cool video cool drums . Great dry german humor and edit was so fluid. Nice. Job to all involved.
I don't know how I got here (from a Ludwig drums artist) but awesome video!! I have a Sonor Force 3005 series kit, the Jungle Kit. I was once heavily considering investing in another Sonor kit. Great info to have
1:50- The Gold Satin, it definitely was a German look and had the same appearance as another German designed Drum company. Gretsch. These Satin Flame covers were found on Gretsch in Blue, white, Aqua, Yellow, Green, etc.
thanks for the comment! Sonic series got great shells aswell, however the hardware is not regarded as so great. We got quite a few emails from customers who asked us for replacement FT-legs and BD-spurs for these Sonic drums. Also the used Performer drums are not expensive in Germany - probably the same price category as Sonic Plus on the used market
@stdrumsgmbh noted. My Sonic Plus are "industrial. strength", overbuolt. I like the bright, aggressive punch with quick decay, slightly harsher sound than warm maple.
Very cool conversion! 🤩👍 And I had several of the Sonor brochures shown in this channel's videos as a teenager and a big poster of the image with the Signature kit at 0:44 on my wall 😊
Cool project and great video! I really love your sense of humour, and the german/english speaking voice with the small but delightful pronunciation problems. Beer/bear
I bought a new Bubinga Heavy 12/13/16/22 kit with hardcases and the 14*8 chrome snare in 1985. Great drums but too high and heavy to take on a gig or for recordings. I traded them for a Designer + Euro in the early 2000s and later got a DW collector although I kept the Signature Snare. DW hardware is cheap in comparison to Sonor and ages fast. But the whole DW kit weighs about the same as just the Signature Heavy 22" kick drum 😂 Currently enjoying a Tama Hyperdrive.
tolles Video, mehr davon, wie ihr individuelle Wünsche umsetzt, das inspiriert die anderen und erweitert den Horizont. Immer wieder gibt es neue Details und Möglichkeiten, auf die man in unserer standardisierten Welt nicht kommt.
Great job, beautiful drums. It would be interesting to hear how historically the 18" became the 16" deep size. Personally, I like the sound of the 18x14", the 18x15" has some extra volume and low end, but the 18x16" ends up being too loud for a bop kit, and too small for a rock set. It's a special sound, but problematic in terms of tuning range and definition. Steve Gadd in Ricky Beato's interview shared some insights about bass drum depth. It's a theme which people don't talk much about.
Great video informative. I bought an old teardrop beech 3 piece with the 20 bass drum 13 by7 tom and 16 by 15 floor that was rewrapped years ago in a gold sparkle in France I am told by the session drummer I bought it from.
17:38- It's to bad you couldn't have reproduced these mufflers. Drums today don't have these and in my opinion made a great addition. With a change in music style in a single performance, you could change the sound of the drum using these. For the Gretsch drums they were called tone controls, but were really just muffles for the heads.
thanks for the comment! Many sets on the used market have the mufflers removed because people use them I guess, so if you want to restore a kit with the original mufflers, they can be quite pricey now. As far as I know the original signatures had these external mufflers that were clipped to the hoops and muffled the head from outside. Theoretically they could also be added to this performer set 😁
@@stdrumsgmbh I have heard that Kits were being manufactured without them any more because the hardware supposedly reduced the sound of the drums as well as added rattles as they wore out/loosened. Plus, drummers were finding other ways to muffle the heads that were cheaper even if not as good lookin. Also didn't allow flexibility of different music styles. I will agree, the cost to replace any of them any more is high.
Großartige Geschichte! Aber ich habe mich schon immer gefragt, wer eigentlich diese monsterschweren riesigen Original Signature-Drums spielen will. Sicher nicht der tourende Freelancer 😂 Mit dem Quirly-Bubinga-Furnier trotzdem ein sehr chices Möbelstück! Vielen Dank für das tolle Video! Bier-Ring-Ätsches! 🍺 Prost!
This is a beautiful kit! I've always liked the Signature and Phonics set but the prices that I've seen on some websites have been a bit high for my liking. This would make a great alternative if you want that nice finish and sound of Sonor!
wir haben hin und wieder mal welche für Ersatzteile ausgeschlachtet, aber so eine Restaurierung haben wir bei Action eher weniger gemacht. Vor kurzem haben wir allerdings ein Sonor Swinger foliert, was ja ähnliche Lugs hat
I’ve been collecting Phonic and Phonic Plus ‘orphan’ drums for a couple of years and refinishing them all to resemble the ebony finish. Can anyone comment on the sound difference from the Phonic Plus to the Signature Heavy Beech?
Excellent video! Seriously great stuff, you deserve more subscribers! And don’t feel bad about pronunciation, I know for sure that couldn’t pronounce a lot of German words, and I definitely can’t speak German as well as you can speak English!
we removed the old wraps which decreased the diameter and the veneers are very thin (way thinner than the ply layers on a shell, and even thinner than most drumwrap), so there was no need to compensate really. Sonor shells are a bit smaller anyways, and the lugs got movable inserts, so I would say up to 1mm additional OD should be no problem.
19% sales tax!!! Omg, I almost chocked! The next day someone tells you about countries that have free health care, guaranteed employment, etc… Tell them they will have to pay 19% sales tax
😅 compared to the rest of europe, 19% in Germany is actually on the lower side. If you order from outside of the EU, we will not charge any sales tax though, but it will go through customs in your country
😁thanks for the comment! it's not him though - similar german accent but a different person. But of course we would be open for a Benny Greb appearance in our videos 😂
Are you aware????.... that the rack tom's lower shell edge is right on top of the snare stand and with no lower structural support of that drum's shell (since it's an open concert tom- no hoop/head) will cause that drum shell to warp(even possibly crack or weaken) just from playing it in this position. You claim to have wisdom in buying drums, and from another drummer who's played and collected for nearly a 1/2 Century - I'd think twice about buying it or anything else from you. That's something you'd see someone who's oblivious to maintaining a drum set would engage in, and from anyone who's ever dealt with buying drums that have a warped or weakened shell.......I won't even go there
The video was uploaded 11 months ago and is 24 minutes long - at least give us the timestamp of the drum you are talking about, I am not aware of a concert tom on a snarestand in any of our videos, so please let me know what you mean. Also we don't claim to "have wisdom"... I don't know where you have that sentence from.
Where do you purchase yhe wooden wrap material? I tried to rewrap my teardrop years ago here in the States but could not find a place that sold wood that thin. 1"8" was the thinnest, and I could not find Scandinavian birch like I wanted. Only maple. But 1/8" is quite thick, especially on a teardrop 3-ply shel that is probably less that 1/8". I ended up not wrapping it at all, not wanting to choke the vibration of the shell. Also, what kind of glue do you use to apply the wood wrap?
we actually offer thin wooden veneers like that in our shop: stdrums.com/en/c/wrap/real-wood-veneer they come with a thin nonwoven layer on the back that makes it easier to use them. The ones in the video where made without this nonwoven, but we can't sell them individually unfortunately. If you are looking for a certain type of wood veneer that is not in our shop you can send us a picture of the type of finish you are looking for via email, then we can check if we can source a veneer like that. For the veneers with the nonwoven layer we recommend the same 3M Scotch-weld 30 glue that we recommend for our drumwraps. You can use our contact form on the bottom of the page at stdrums.com thanks!
As a Sonor owner, so glad you did this.
My first set was a Sonor "Swinger" in 1972. I have only the 16" tom. Now I most use three Sonor Steel snares.
Eine ganz hervorragende Arbeit! Respekt. Man kann Eure Zuneigung zu SONOR!i deutlich spüren.
Ihr habt auch bei vielen meiner Sonor-Restaurationen hervorragende Leistungen gezeigt. Sehr empfehlenswert!
Topp
Gruss Arne Suter!i
I’m a proud owner of a humble Sonor Force 2001 kit. I customized it a little bit with some additional tom mounts and a floor tom from Pearl. I bought it in early 2002. I still play and record with it to this day.❤
My first kit was a beech shell Performer-great set! I now own an original Signature kit and I’d never sell it! Great video guys
Love Sonor , iv got a Prolite in Tribal Red , superb kit 👌
I've purchased a lot of stuff from ST drums! I have always been satisfied. Great work on the Sonor drums!
Seid ihr verrückt? Bei DW würde man das dreifache zahlen. Eure drums sind der Hammer, ich habe selber eines. Sonor drums sind auch Top Schlagzeuge. Aber das Set ist anbetracht eurer Arbeit geradezu verschenkt. Ich hoffe ihr habt es sofort verkauft, sprich an jemanden, der das schätzen kann was ihr da zaubert.
Vielen Dank für den lieben Kommentar! Wir haben das Set noch nicht verkauft, wir brauchen es noch um Part 2 zu drehen 😅 aber wir hoffen natürlich, dass es danach einen glücklichen Abnehmer finden wird
AMA ZING!!!! I have an original 80´s Sonor Lite kit sizes 10", 12", 13", 14" rack toms, 16" floor tom, and 22" bass drum. I had all Signature stands. 2 x double tom stands, snare stand, 3 x semi boom cymbal stands, and 1 x boom cymbal stand. I still have 1 x of the double tom stands, but sold all the others for around 1800€. I still have ALL the drums. They sound amazing. Especially in the recording studio. i´m now a proud Pearl/Zildjian endorser, and own a 7 piece Masters kit, and a 5 piece Crystal Beat kit. :)
Veeeerrry loooonnng lol! The late 1980's/early 1990's ha!! I grew up on the drum catalogs from this era (the power Tom era) in middle school through the late 90's after high school.
No sir from now on it is and will be 🍺 ing edges . This decree has been announced by the king of Texas me . Matthew Alan Kitchens who might I add is of German descent on my good side . Cool video cool drums . Great dry german humor and edit was so fluid. Nice. Job to all involved.
🤣🤣🍻 thanks a lot for the nice comment! It is an honor to get this type of positive feedback from the king of Texas 😁
Sonorlites were one the best drumkit lines ever created. And the bass drums legs are a masterpiece of design.
I don't know how I got here (from a Ludwig drums artist) but awesome video!! I have a Sonor Force 3005 series kit, the Jungle Kit. I was once heavily considering investing in another Sonor kit. Great info to have
1:50- The Gold Satin, it definitely was a German look and had the same appearance as another German designed Drum company. Gretsch. These Satin Flame covers were found on Gretsch in Blue, white, Aqua, Yellow, Green, etc.
yes, these satin colors are really cool! We also sold quite a few of these wraps in the 90s, however they are scratched pretty easily unfortunately
Hell Sonic Plus drums shells sound as good as those costing thousands more, without the bling. I'm all in.
thanks for the comment! Sonic series got great shells aswell, however the hardware is not regarded as so great. We got quite a few emails from customers who asked us for replacement FT-legs and BD-spurs for these Sonic drums. Also the used Performer drums are not expensive in Germany - probably the same price category as Sonic Plus on the used market
@stdrumsgmbh noted. My Sonic Plus are "industrial. strength", overbuolt. I like the bright, aggressive punch with quick decay, slightly harsher sound than warm maple.
A pleasure to watch this clip from my favorite drum parts seller. And especially as Sonorlite and Phonic owner, this was very interesting
I remember those drums from the 80's. I am a Yamaha guy but if I wasn't, that was the set I would want.
The Horst link sounds great, but who will use it hard on stage with all the live dings and dongs ?
Very cool conversion! 🤩👍 And I had several of the Sonor brochures shown in this channel's videos as a teenager and a big poster of the image with the Signature kit at 0:44 on my wall 😊
Cool project and great video! I really love your sense of humour, and the german/english speaking voice with the small but delightful pronunciation problems. Beer/bear
Love those older kits.
I bought a new Bubinga Heavy 12/13/16/22 kit with hardcases and the 14*8 chrome snare in 1985. Great drums but too high and heavy to take on a gig or for recordings. I traded them for a Designer + Euro in the early 2000s and later got a DW collector although I kept the Signature Snare. DW hardware is cheap in comparison to Sonor and ages fast. But the whole DW kit weighs about the same as just the Signature Heavy 22" kick drum 😂 Currently enjoying a Tama Hyperdrive.
I have a first-gen Sonor S-class that I will never sell. Beautiful cherry Scandi veneer.
tolles Video, mehr davon, wie ihr individuelle Wünsche umsetzt, das inspiriert die anderen und erweitert den Horizont. Immer wieder gibt es neue Details und Möglichkeiten, auf die man in unserer standardisierten Welt nicht kommt.
great job my respect
I've always wanted a Phonic series kit. Probably because that's what Steve Smith played at one point.
Great job, beautiful drums. It would be interesting to hear how historically the 18" became the 16" deep size. Personally, I like the sound of the 18x14", the 18x15" has some extra volume and low end, but the 18x16" ends up being too loud for a bop kit, and too small for a rock set. It's a special sound, but problematic in terms of tuning range and definition. Steve Gadd in Ricky Beato's interview shared some insights about bass drum depth. It's a theme which people don't talk much about.
Great video informative.
I bought an old teardrop beech 3 piece with the 20 bass drum 13 by7 tom and 16 by 15 floor that was rewrapped years ago in a gold sparkle in France I am told by the session drummer I bought it from.
All with internal dampers. No matching snare yet!
17:38- It's to bad you couldn't have reproduced these mufflers. Drums today don't have these and in my opinion made a great addition. With a change in music style in a single performance, you could change the sound of the drum using these. For the Gretsch drums they were called tone controls, but were really just muffles for the heads.
thanks for the comment! Many sets on the used market have the mufflers removed because people use them I guess, so if you want to restore a kit with the original mufflers, they can be quite pricey now. As far as I know the original signatures had these external mufflers that were clipped to the hoops and muffled the head from outside. Theoretically they could also be added to this performer set 😁
@@stdrumsgmbh I have heard that Kits were being manufactured without them any more because the hardware supposedly reduced the sound of the drums as well as added rattles as they wore out/loosened.
Plus, drummers were finding other ways to muffle the heads that were cheaper even if not as good lookin. Also didn't allow flexibility of different music styles.
I will agree, the cost to replace any of them any more is high.
Klingt viehisch, super Arbeit!
Wow, super Video - sehr interessant und unterhaltsam! Danke und weiterhin Viel Erfolg! Bier! 😜 LG, Jochen
Oh man that's so tasty. Truly shows how passionate you are about this. Can't wait to order some stuff from you!
thanks a lot for the nice comments! We are looking forward to the order :)
Klasse! Wieder ein Grund mehr, mal wieder einen Kessel/Set von euch "bearbeiten" zu lassen.
Should have stayed with both 22 bass drums for a Steve Smith vibe 🥁
This is awesome stuff! ❤️😎
Großartige Geschichte!
Aber ich habe mich schon immer gefragt, wer eigentlich diese monsterschweren riesigen Original Signature-Drums spielen will. Sicher nicht der tourende Freelancer 😂 Mit dem Quirly-Bubinga-Furnier trotzdem ein sehr chices Möbelstück!
Vielen Dank für das tolle Video!
Bier-Ring-Ätsches! 🍺 Prost!
Lets talk about BIERing edges! …STdrums does fantastic work by the way as always💪🏼
🍻 thank you!
This is a beautiful kit! I've always liked the Signature and Phonics set but the prices that I've seen on some websites have been a bit high for my liking. This would make a great alternative if you want that nice finish and sound of Sonor!
Great video! I have one piece of SONOR gear, a boom cymbal stand,it is h-e-a-v-y! Now I understand why...I have a new respect for SONOR drums.
Amazing work and great history lesson !
BEAUTIFUL JOB!!!,.. CONGRATS!!!
Habt ihr auch die Sonor-action-Serie mal in der Mache gehabt? (ca.1978/79) War mein erstes Drumset ...
wir haben hin und wieder mal welche für Ersatzteile ausgeschlachtet, aber so eine Restaurierung haben wir bei Action eher weniger gemacht. Vor kurzem haben wir allerdings ein Sonor Swinger foliert, was ja ähnliche Lugs hat
Super Arbeit!
beautiful and funny :)
❤ danke 🙏🥁🔥
I’ve been collecting Phonic and Phonic Plus ‘orphan’ drums for a couple of years and refinishing them all to resemble the ebony finish.
Can anyone comment on the sound difference from the Phonic Plus to the Signature Heavy Beech?
amazing work!!
Sehr schön - aber ich liebe mein Original-Signature😬
👍👍👍
Excellent video! Seriously great stuff, you deserve more subscribers! And don’t feel bad about pronunciation, I know for sure that couldn’t pronounce a lot of German words, and I definitely can’t speak German as well as you can speak English!
I liked "beering edges" better 😅😅🍻🍺
Didn't the veneer add to the OD of the drums? How did you compensate for that?
we removed the old wraps which decreased the diameter and the veneers are very thin (way thinner than the ply layers on a shell, and even thinner than most drumwrap), so there was no need to compensate really. Sonor shells are a bit smaller anyways, and the lugs got movable inserts, so I would say up to 1mm additional OD should be no problem.
Wer isn die süße Drummerin am Ende des Videos?
Carina Zimmert
19% sales tax!!!
Omg, I almost chocked!
The next day someone tells you about countries that have free health care, guaranteed employment, etc…
Tell them they will have to pay 19% sales tax
😅 compared to the rest of europe, 19% in Germany is actually on the lower side. If you order from outside of the EU, we will not charge any sales tax though, but it will go through customs in your country
This sounds like Benny Greb’s voice.
😁thanks for the comment! it's not him though - similar german accent but a different person. But of course we would be open for a Benny Greb appearance in our videos 😂
haha, Prost!
Not sure why someone would pay that much for cheap poplar drums, no matter how nice they look.
well actually these are 6ply beechwood shells - only the 10" and 14" were poplar in this kit
Sonor drums are for German millionaires and not even possible for an American drummer’s budget.
I am an American and an original Signature bubinga owner.
I'm American, and I own a Sonor kit. 😊
Guudes Englisch fer än Pälzer - Reschpekt!
Donge! 😁
Oh dear me they haven't woken up..this is how not to stack your kit..rim on skin rim on skin..
Are you aware????.... that the rack tom's lower shell edge is right on top of the snare stand and with no lower structural support of that drum's shell (since it's an open concert tom- no hoop/head) will cause that drum shell to warp(even possibly crack or weaken) just from playing it in this position. You claim to have wisdom in buying drums, and from another drummer who's played and collected for nearly a 1/2 Century - I'd think twice about buying it or anything else from you. That's something you'd see someone who's oblivious to maintaining a drum set would engage in, and from anyone who's ever dealt with buying drums that have a warped or weakened shell.......I won't even go there
The video was uploaded 11 months ago and is 24 minutes long - at least give us the timestamp of the drum you are talking about, I am not aware of a concert tom on a snarestand in any of our videos, so please let me know what you mean.
Also we don't claim to "have wisdom"... I don't know where you have that sentence from.
Settle down, Beavis.
Love this channel!
Where do you purchase yhe wooden wrap material? I tried to rewrap my teardrop years ago here in the States but could not find a place that sold wood that thin. 1"8" was the thinnest, and I could not find Scandinavian birch like I wanted. Only maple. But 1/8" is quite thick, especially on a teardrop 3-ply shel that is probably less that 1/8". I ended up not wrapping it at all, not wanting to choke the vibration of the shell. Also, what kind of glue do you use to apply the wood wrap?
we actually offer thin wooden veneers like that in our shop: stdrums.com/en/c/wrap/real-wood-veneer they come with a thin nonwoven layer on the back that makes it easier to use them. The ones in the video where made without this nonwoven, but we can't sell them individually unfortunately. If you are looking for a certain type of wood veneer that is not in our shop you can send us a picture of the type of finish you are looking for via email, then we can check if we can source a veneer like that. For the veneers with the nonwoven layer we recommend the same 3M Scotch-weld 30 glue that we recommend for our drumwraps. You can use our contact form on the bottom of the page at stdrums.com thanks!