Remove Vinyl Fence Posts WITH Concrete! SUPER EASY!
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How do I remove a broken PVC fence post that that is set in hundreds of pounds of concrete, and then set a new vinyl fence post in the same hole without using 5 or 6 bags of ready-mix concrete? I found a trick that WORKS LIKE MAGIC.
Vinyl fence post repair doesn't have to be miserable, expensive, or even impossible anymore. I believe that you will agree that I've discovered a way to remove a concrete wrapped vinyl fence post easily, and without spending a lot of money on special jacks and hardware that you would only use on fence post repair in the future.
This video will teach you the most perfect vinyl fence post replacement technique ever invented by humans…LOL…well at least a vinyl fence post removal technique that works easily and inexpensively, and in this how to video I'll cover...
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Thanks for all the info in the video and in all your responses!
Hi Jayson, My pleasure!! Thank you for watching and commenting!! Peace!
Very helpful. Thank you!
Hi DoeDarling, thank you SO much for the kind word! I'm super glad that the video was helpful!1 Peace!
This is an excellent tutorial. Thank you. You kept it engaging and concise the entire way through. While I don't look forward to doing this work, you certainly demystified it and made it accessible.
Thank you VERY MUCH for your thoughtful reply! I hope your project turns out spectacular!! Be safe!
Thanks Rich I found this very helpful.
Hi Frank, Thanks for the kind words! I thought this technique was pretty cool, and I'm thrilled that you found it helpful.
Peace!
Rich
How can you get through middle of the pole if you have metal inside the pole?
Really helpful video. Thank you
Thank you for the kind words!! I've used this technique many times, and I though others would find it helpful too! Peace!
Amazing! I never even considered using a form and backfilling around it! And the tip to do a bit and pull the form up so you're not trying to pull the whole thing up at once will have saved me either a form or a lot of back pain. :)
Hi Mattie, Thank you for the kind observations on my video. When I came up with the ideas, I knew for sure that there were others that juuuuuuust might like to see the shortcuts. Peace...and save that back! :) Rich
Thanks so much!!!
Hi Kenny, you are very welcome! I'm hope my video was a lot of help with your project. Pleace
Appreciate the video sir. Thank you for your help
It was a lot of fun to create this video, and I'm so glad you found it helpful! Thank you for the kind words.
Great video thanx
It was all my pleasure! I'm thrilled you found it useful.
Wind is demoralizing.
I need to plumb some PVC gate posts that have settled.
In a nutshell similar to removal but only have to excavate the side of the post out of plumb then backfill.
For setting fence posts I prefer pouring in the concrete dry and mix in the hole. One bag per post.
Great Video! Great idea for removing posts. My back feels better already.
Two questions, I also live in a high wind area and will have to replace one 12' double gate, one 4' gate, and 12' of fence, so 5 posts in all. I have read that it is a good idea to put PT wood post inserted into the vinyl posts as well as aluminum or steel stiffeners in the gate posts. First, why did you not use PT wood 4x4 in your post replacement and how do you cement both a wooden post and vinyl post at the same time?
Again thanks for posting the video, great stuff.
+SquisherWA - Thanks for the kind words.
The #1 reason I didn't use any stiffeners, is because of the way the posts and rails are designed to slide together, there has to be an open space inside the post or there would be no way to put the fence together. If the inside of the vinyl post was filled with a 4x4, you would not be able to slide the rails into the posts.
The #2 reason I didn't use any stiffener inside the vinyl post, is that the entire vinyl fence system is designed to give, to move with the wind. If you stiffen the posts, you would be transferring the entire wind-load onto the rest of the fence panels and they will break (I had it happen on another fence). When the entire system moves with the wind, there is a designed amount of give that allows the fence to "breathe."
The reason my posts broke was due to water building up inside (due to no drain in the bottom), and freezing - which broke the post right below the bottom slot for the rail. (the water could not raise any higher due to the lower rail slot). The expanding ice broke the vinyl right at ground level, and the wind did the rest. With these replacement posts, I made sure water would not build up inside the post, by creating a sand and rock drain at the bottom of the hole, and pouring the concrete in around the outer edge. Good drain, no ice, no breaking of the vinyl. Viola! :)
Once again, thank you for the note, and the kind words.
Dude thanks
My pleasure!!
Nice job Rich, go get inside and get some hot coffee!
Thank you Dave WM! It was SO cold that day - but I had to get the fence fixed. :) Hot coffee was awesome!
sometimes a little pain makes you appreciate things a LOT more, take care.
Your video is very concise. Our fence has weathered numerous hurricanes and tropical storms, but hurricane Ian decimated it. Sheered the posts off right at ground level! 😳 So now we don't have anything to grip for leverage like in your video. Any suggestions will be most appreciated. 🙏
I'm in the same situation, also thanks to Ian. What I'm considering for the broken posts is to initially dig down deep enough around the post to drill holes using a hole saw or large enough drill bit. Basically create holes for the 'persuader' bar to fit through. If that doesn't work I would try to drill holes in the fence post as described above then use a short, durable strap to loop through the hole posts & over the 'persuader' bar. Good luck!!
My current count is to replace 17 posts, all broken during Ian. It'll probably take me a month, if I'm lucky. 😆
@@pauldavidarmstrong6069 right on, I am also in the same boat. Brand new fence install 3 months ago got decimated by Ian. I have 10 posts snapped and several others heaved. I have seen some videos that suggest I might be able to straighten out the heaved ones and reinforce with more concrete. Another idea I saw is to actual rebar and pour concrete inside the post to stiffen it. (the one caveat is this makes it very challenging to replace any bottom rails if needed in the future, but not impossible.) The other option is steel beam inserts for the inside but those cost about $80 per post. I want to bulletproof my fence for any future storms since it is so new it was painful to see it go lol.
@@pauldavidarmstrong6069 I'm in Port Charlotte. We literally had our fence put in a month before the storm destroyed it. we have a lot of intact post that are just leaning. can you use this same method to straighten them?
@@legendkochis9909 I think drilling hole(s) into a post to straighten it would NOT be ideal. If the posts are leaning yet otherwise undamaged, it may be possible to partially dig out dirt near the post in the area you want the post to move (a post hole digger might be preferred but not required) until it can be repositioned to where desired. Then refill the hole & compress the dirt. Be careful not to dig too deeply, you don't want the post to go deeper into the ground. Also be aware that posts set in concrete may take a bit more work to reposition. Another option would be to add concrete to better set/hold the post (once repositioned, before filling the hole) but it's not required.
I hope that helps. 🙂
@@pauldavidarmstrong6069 The posts are vinyl and they're set in concrete. I don't want to dig for ever. I'm thinking of digging around the larger part of the concrete top then wrapping a chain to a farm jack to get them out. Then refill the holes and start over. I was just trying to avoid replacing the posts since 90% of them are intact
how many sqf did u do and how long it took you?
I love the video good information and funny gonna start mine in a couple of months. I might need your help come to New Mexico LOLOLOL I do have a question though, I've seen on other videos people pouring the concrete in the whole first and then putting the post inside the concrete so the concrete would be inside the post, thoughts?
Hi Mark, Thank you for your comment, and glad that you liked the show. As far as having concrete inside the vinyl post, I'm not in favor of that technique. It doesn't allow the vinyl to flex at the level it was designed. More importantly, it allows water to get trapped inside the post on top of the concrete which can cause a breakage (why I had to replace mine) should you have a deep freeze. Peace, and good luck!
@@richwahneEXPERTSmadeEasy Thank you for the info. I was think about that issue. I'm going to go with the concrete on the outside. When I get started I'll shoot you some pictures. Thanks again.
Stupidly simple
Why didn't I think of this ???
Thanks for sharing this👍👍👍
LOL...Thanks for the comment!! Glad you were able to use the idea, and it was my pleasure! Peace!
I just replaced a vinyl fence post I backed into and cracked. I used a 60-inch pinch point bar tool to remove the old post. Next I cleaned out the hole and slide the new post in the old concrete hole. Took about 30-minutes.
Hi Mach, Thanks for the addition to the comments! What you experienced, from what I've learned, is quite rare. More often than not, the concrete is stuck to the vinyl post and they don't come out separately....pleased to hear that you had such awesome results!! Thanks for sharing! Peace. Rich
What is the name of the thing use to keep the hole intact and where can I buy it if any at Home Depot?
Rich, food for thought, buy some fake fur at hobby store and velcro to your video cam mic for the wind. It will help on those blustery days.
MrBowhunter53 LOL....thanks for the tip!!! I'll remember that next time!
Thats an awesome idea!
EASIER AND BETTER YET = GET A PIECE OF FOAM RUBBER AND RUBBER BAND OR TAPE IT OVER THE MIC.
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how did u prep the soil ? did u flood it ? to loosen it
Hi arod55...no prep at all. I live in an area (just outside Portland Oregon) where the soil is damp during the winter so the natural moisture made the soil quite workable without much work on my part. If you live in an area where the soil is dry and compacted, a large digging rod like I used in the video to pull the post out of the ground, would work GREAT. Be careful though...that digging rod is a hand-full!
Peace
Rich
Rich, here's question - I want to remove my last panel on my fence, and replace it with a gate instead, the panel is about 4'. Is there an acceptable method, aside from pulling up the two posts, and putting in two gate posts - of mounting a gate to the panel posts?
I think the only way you could use an existing post (that is IF they are vinyl) is to place (or hide) a 5"x5" wooden post inside the vinyl post so you have a strong mounting point. Then, I would have a gate made to fit the distance between the two posts...viola! You'd have a gate that you could fit a lot of different size items though. Hope you find that helpful, and THANK you for watching and for your comment!! Rich
@@richwahneEXPERTSmadeEasy thanks. Hadn't thought about that. I'm pretty sure when the posts were put in they used wood inside at the base below the bottom rail. I guess I could spray paint some brackets on the outside to join the two wood posts for strength. at the base.
@@gginnj Sounds like you've got a good plan. Of course I'm at a disadvantage because I can't see your fence, or the posts. I have confidence that you'll come up with the perfect solution. Thanks again for being part of this thread!! Rich
@@richwahneEXPERTSmadeEasy - maybe premature. spoke with the installer today - the posts are hollow and cemented I could drop the metal pieces in to secure the hardware to...but there would be no strength at the weak point where it would sit on the cement....I guess I could try, and if they snap, well....Then I would be forced to pull the posts and replace them....maybe a summer a project.
@@gginnj IF the vinyl posts are hollow, see if the concrete (at ground level) is both inside the post and outside the post...if it's only on the outside, you can drop the wooden post in and it will drop down to the bottom of the vinyl post...then you fill the space between the two with sand to make it stronger than heck. The reason I recommend that, when I install a vinyl post, I make sure that there is no concrete on the inside of the post; so the water can drain out at the very bottom. If there is concrete inside the post, the water can sit on top of the concrete and if there is a freeze, the water freezes and fractures the vinyl post right at ground level. Hopefully your concrete is only on the outside. Best of luck. Rich
It’s been 5 years. How’s its holding up? Did you put the fence in yourself to begin with? I’m not a professional but I think that the hole is too small for that 5x5 post. Did you use metal inserts to keep it breaking again at the sheer line? I came across your vid after I made that mistake. Now I have to dig out the old posts. But I’ll make it easier on my self and just rent a jack hammer and break the concrete and meet the hole relatively small. My post holes are 16x16x24. And this time I’ll put in the metal sleeve first. 😤
Hi, Great question! I had the original posts installed by a local fence company, around 1998; and those installers did a few things wrong which allowed water to pool inside the post. The water would freeze, and break the post! My repair allows the water to drain, and has lasted perfectly! No metal inserts, and not a single issue to announce. As a matter of fact, the posts that I replaced are in excellent condition! And here is something to know...I live in an area that has severe wind, almost all winter. Forty to fifty mile per hour winds aren't out of norm for this area, and my fence takes a beating!
Keep this in mind about the size of the hole. As you pull the round sleeve out, the concrete is compressing the soil around it, and over time the compression and settling holds the vinyl post almost perfectly (from what I'm seeing after 5 years anyway). I have to say that I stand behind my install techniques.
Thank you very much for the comment! Peace
Great video, Could you have cut the form to the proper depth and left it in? Back filled around it? I feel like I’ve seen form like that filled with concrete and used as deck footings.
Do you think it would be possible to cut the vinyl out of the cement and slip a new post in place?
Hi Frank, Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. You ask a very interesting question....and I'm not sure. I think it would be very difficult to cut the vinyl out of the existing cement, but I guess it would be possible. And if you were able to get the old post out, getting the new one back in the same hole might be difficult.
I'm sorry I don't have any better answer - I just don't know for sure. If you give it go, please get back to us and let us know how it went.
Peace and Abundant Blessings!
Rich
Thanks for the input Rich. I have been able to remove the old post fairly easy with a 5' pry bar. I have ordered the new posts and will let you know how it works out. I am hopeful that will go in because I am needing to replace about a dozen post because of a brush fire. I appreciate your videos and found them useful.
I'm sorry to hear that you're having to replace your posts due to a fire. I hope your idea works, and most importantly...please be safe! It sounds like you might be on to a fix that I never thought of. I have faith that you will be successful! Keep us informed. Rich
I just helped a friend replace 300 feet of vinyl rail horse fence destroyed this year by a brush fire. The ground here is almost solid rock so concrete removal is impossible. The corner posts we had to redrill with a rock auger on skid steer, but many of the other posts we simply split the existing post stubs with a crowbar and stuffed a new post in its place after putting a cut slit at the end. The posts fit perfectly in the holes and are stable till now.
@@chargermopar skid steer & 10k lb nylon towing strap let’s you pull them right out of the concrete plugs
God ! I hope my post never go bad, just installed a fence in the yard. 15 inch diameter holes of concrete over 2ft deep. 10 inch diameter a little narrow for that post, no?
Thanks for the comment!!! I can't in my wildest imagination why you'd need a hole 15" in diameter? If you check out every professional fence installer, they're all using either a manual post-hole digger, or a power auger, both of which dig a hole approximately 9-10 inches wide. I'm certainly not telling anybody exactly how to do this repair, rather what work extremely well for me. Best to you and be safe!!
@@richwahneEXPERTSmadeEasy yea man, seen a few videos before taking on the project that you wanna be 3x’s the post size. It’s referenced in one of the ASTM standards. Whatever way works though right.
How deep was it to the bottom of the hole?
Approximately 30"....but it will depend on your post, and how your fence is going to be constructed.
The old vinyl fences look good,. Why did you need to remove?
The vinyl posts broke right at ground level during the winter, and had to be replaced. Thank you for watching!
I live in Florida, which has no snows. My neighbor and I shared a vinyl fence two years ago. The hurricane Irma did knock off only one section of the fence. But, my neighbor put it back up.
will this work to remove a mailbox post
I am 100% sure you could use this technique to remove a mailbox post. Be careful, and thanks for watching!!!
Thanks
Why not just use a cinderblock instead of the 2x4s ?
I don't see any reason why you couldn't use a cinderblock...however, I would place a piece of plywood, or other wood protector on the cinderblock before I placed my lever on said block. That way you'll reduce the risk of breaking the cinderblock. Thanks for the comment!!! Peace
What do you do when you have monster tree roots and cant dig next to the pole like my house.
Edward...thanks for the question. If you have tree roots, I'd suggest renting a chain saw to get as much of that root out of the way. You might have to take the root out in buckets full of chips, but at least you can remove it; or at least make room to loosen the soil around the post. I HATE tree roots, and I wish you the BEST of luck. BE SUPER CAREFUL with that chain saw too...maybe rent or buy a small electric chain saw, as they are much more tame. Good luck!
Sawzall , I just went through this.
Why not cut form to length and leave in the hole?
Because it's made of paper, and as the paper breaks down, it would leave a gap between the hardened concrete and the dirt. There may be a form that would not break down, I just like being cautious! Thanks for watching and for the comment!!
how bout just fill the hole in with copacted dirt and redig the hole?
You could, I guess; but two points - 1) why would you want to fill the hole with the exact same dirt that you are going to remove? And 2) you'd have to dig up the dirt from somewhere else, or purchase it, which I don't think makes any sense.
Aren't those posts meant to be pushed into a hole full of concrete.also save some time by just putting a rubber band round your level.good video though.
Hi the Lying Scotsman - after having the vinyl post break off right at ground level due to water sitting on top of the concrete (inside the post) and freezing - I'll never ever EVER put concrete inside another post. The way I installed these posts, the water drains out, and not a ounce of freezing problems inside the post. Thanks for watching, and for your feedback! I appreciate the kind words! Peace
Nice video but that shovel laying on the ground mad me think someone was going to break there nose with it
LOL...great observation. Happy to announce there were no injuries in the making of this video. Thanks for the comment!!
Someone should name their company...Gorbachev's Fence Removal.
Our services won't keep you in the Red.
I was certainly QUITE cold that day!!!! Thanks for the comment.
+richwahne
I didn't see your name to make a connection that my above comment would have extra significance to you.
Thanks for sharing your expertise.
not a eallygoodidea to fit posts on its own.!
The rails and pickets should get in too, otherwise the clearence would not be sufficient!
Crystal Babe FYI...it all fit perfectly! Guess how? Yep...I measured and made sure everything fit!!! What a great idea the measuring tape.
its not that !
once the cement sets in and hardens there is no way to get the rails in other than bending the posts away to insert them ! expecially the bottom ones. therefore the rails ( or a complete set) must be inserted BEFORE cementing.
Crystal Babe You are mistaken!!!! The vinyl system is designed to snap together after the posts are set, and the concrete is hard as a rock. This vinyl system goes together AFTER the concrete is hard. The rail slides well into one post, and then splits the difference by sliding it into the second post; and so on and so fourth. That is the ONLY way you can install a vinyl fence system.
Thanks for your comments though.
could you get away with 1 80lb bag per post
I'm not really sure...perhaps. It would be worth a try, but I would want to have a couple bags on hand in the event a single 80lb bag didn't do the trick.
Thanks
No, don't even try. 2-2 1/2 per post dug at least 24" deep. I dig mine at around 30" give or take. Stuff you posts by pouring the concrete in the hole and then sink your post making sure it's plumb and in line with the rest of the posts.
Square post=square hole round post=round hole