Another part of a video series from Wordonfire.org. Bishop Barron will be commenting on subjects from modern day culture. For more visit www.wordonfire.org
I swear the Catholic church teachings have changed my ways so much, Im from a Protestant background but would call myself an agnostic. BUT this guy is actually intelligent and explains his reasonings really well. If I were to go back to a church I would/will become Catholic
Yes, eating an apple created by the Good Lord, I mean how much more wicked can any person in the universe be? Eating a forbidden apple.O the abomination.Terrible.Awful.Despiccable. The Good Lord was so mad about this abomination, and rightly so. How dare this wicked woman eat this apple of all apples? It's unbelievable. I cannot stop ranting on and on about this wicked abomination. Oh my god. What a sin. such a disgraceful SIN SIN SIN SINful sin
Came back to this video after last watching it two years ago. I was a devout protestant and loved my faith until about 7 or so years ago. I went through a deconstruction of my faith that lead me to atheism for about 5 years. Long story regarding what lead me there and what ultimately lead me back. But the roughest possible outline I can give for my path back is this. First, Jordan Peterson convinced me of the logical and moral necessity of the idea of God, at very least God as a necessary abstraction that is the personification of our highest moral intuitions and values. God is necessary as an externalized moral aim. But listening to Peterson lead me to Bishop Barron's videos. Bishop Barron described a God that is not A BEING, but rather BEING as such. Paul Tillich called God the ground of all being. From there, it's not a far stretch to accept that God, or essential being, contains properties such as intelligence. We are expressions of being and we are intelligent. Ergo, God is intelligent. Finally, I came back to faith because I chose to. I wanted to. Ultimately, we believe things because we wish to. I used to get so hung up on logic and reason, which are intellectually necessary for navigating our way through life. But our beliefs about ultimate matters cannot finally be settled by logic. Logic can only define one's options. But once it was done that, one must choose.
Excellent summation of the Christian understanding of original sin. Thank you Fr. Robert Barron. Once in my early twenties while in college, I was given a strong challenge to pray. The challenge came from a peer who was a Christian. Though I was an agnostic, I took up the challenge as he was my friend and someone I respected even if I disagreed with on the existence of God. I sincerely prayed this prayer: "If I have done anything to hurt anyone I am truly sorry and if there is a God want to know you." That prayer changed my life and placed me on a journey of a lifetime.
I've always felt that there are multiple layers of meaning to the Garden of Eden story. But you said something that rang a bell in my head that makes a lot of sense. By partaking of the fruit of the tree, Adam and Eve took it upon themselves to discern good and evil, instead of God. For some reason, that idea seems to be the best way I've heard so far of making sense of what happened next. Their eyes were opened and they were ashamed because they were naked. Since they took discernment of good and evil upon themselves, that means that they made themselves their own judges. But the problem is they weren't ready for that. They weren't equipped to judge rightly. God is the righteous judge. They took that role upon themselves and for the first time looked at themselves in judgment, not knowing what to do about it. So, they covered themselves and hid from God. This is one of those things that is at once so elementary, but also profound.
How does one know how God discerns good and evil. Bible was written very long time ago and has lots of contradictions. Christianity will die the same way all other mythologies and religions died and people found it had nothing to do with reality. We are the ones who discern good and evil. We have philosophy for that and need to try to implement, a lot of it is Christ like. A lot of this judgement comes from good and bad feelings about things, nothing from God. There's also relative morality for some but then we have idea of utilitarianism etc. We take things in our hands. God doesn't influence anyone here.
@@kubasniak Christianity will not die lol. As long as people keep claiming of have visions of Jesus and hear from God I wonder how it will die. Chrisitanity will only ide if someone is able to provide the body of Jesus.
@@polkanietzsche5016 i just don't get it his explanation, sounds like New Age relativism. I grew up with the experience of people who knew actual good from evil and chose deliberately to do evil and tell lies. The Bible shows us clearly good from evil. Satan knows what is evil and uses it to mock God. New Age thinking says "it is evil only if you think it is." Or, secularists say, "it is all psychological. We can look for deeper motives and "think" our way out of it." At 6:27 he states his explanation.
I'm always speechless everytime I listen to people explaining the obscure language in The Bible. As a kid I never thought much about it, but through curiousity and current events, my faith got reignited. Thank you, Bishop, for sharing your wisdom on this platform and helping young Christians find themselves and their faith.
Bishop Barron- I am a stay at home mom and I listen to your videos every day when my baby is napping. These videos have livened my faith and nurtured my soul. Thank you so so much for all you do!!!!
Yes, eating an apple created by the Good Lord, I mean how much more wicked can any person in the universe be? Eating a forbidden apple.O the abomination.Terrible.Awful.Despiccable. The Good Lord was so mad about this abomination, and rightly so. How dare this wicked woman eat this apple of all apples? It's unbelievable. I cannot stop ranting on and on about this wicked abomination. Oh my god. What a sin. such a disgraceful SIN SIN SIN SINful sin
Gosh Im addicted to your videos right now. My history class somewhat ironic if ask me, is either atheist or just doesn't go to church, and didn't understand priest celibacy, the sex scandal,etc. I just wanted to pound my head on my desk. I just wish it was brought up at lunch, so I could explain it better to them. I will never understand parents who let there kids have all these questions and never answer them. when I am a father, I want my children to constantly ask me about the faith. I definitely want a copy of Summa Theologica in my house at all times. It can sit near the bible. That and the hunger games.
@brian elliot But who determines what's rubbish? This video is specifically about you; appropriating to yourself the standard of what's good and evil/bad.
@brian elliot I can already tell you lack good knowledge of both science and faith. Don't skip the question, who determines what's rubbish? Against which standard do you measure to determine what's rubbish and what's not? By the way, could you google these names and tell me what you found out: 1. Georges Lemaitre 2. Gregor Mendel 3. George V. Coyne
Thank you Fr. Baron. Very inspiring, I needed an explanation for my own tendencies to sin, despite being a devout Catholic! Helps explain David’s declaration in psalm 51, ‘I was conceived in Sin!’
Thank you father Barron, especially for sharing so deep understanding of what happens to our consciousness when arrogating to our selves the right to decide good from evil. God bless you dear father !! Always like you and love you !!
Thank you Bishop ♝ Barron you are a highly intellectual individual I love your videos on the Bible and the teachings of Catholicism! How the Good Lord Created the World for us all!
It's always amazing how Fr. Barron gives such thoughtful and insightful reflections on so many topics and the comments are so harsh and unappreciative. Pearls before swine, I tell you! Thanks Father, this message was eye-opening for me.
Ryan Slattery - it's always amazing how some (who allude to be Christians) can appear to be loving, but then call their brothers "swine" in a passive aggressive attempt to be assholes.
When I talk to my family about God I am at the same time listening as I don't know what is coming out of my mouth, but these mouthing s are only happening with an audience that is responsive, I notice i am in no way elegant in speech with an audience that is non responsive and I find my self searching through memories to deliver a speech or to correct or educate etc etc, so it is with truth the receiver needs to be open to it as well as the giver. This is very inspiring Father thank you for it.
This is one of my favorite videos by you Father Barron. I'm amazed by how intuitive this story is. The writer of Genesis identified the essential human problem thousands of years ago...yet we still fall into the same trap every single day! Seriously amazing how even the brief account of the fall cuts to the heart of humanity.
Thank you Bishop! So many RC commentators seem "Catholic specific" in many ways. I deeply appreciate your broadly Christian comments and keen insights. We, the believing Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox churches have so much more in common than what separates us. Thanks for helping to make that clear.
As a non practicant catholic, but a stron believer. This vídeo has changed totally my view of life itself. I'm astonished on how much knowledge lays on few words, thank You.
Very clear words and great way to explain us theology. I`m feeling very proud to be Christian after knowing better God and is Sun Jesus through your thoughts. Many thanks! Already recommend your videos here in Portugal. God bless you!
I was raised a nominal Catholic and later became a born again evangelical. I have since denounced evangelicalism. If only an evangelical could give such thoughtful answers as Father Baron
I'm a Protestant Christian (Christian reformed/Calvinist). I absolutely love your videos. I see all denominations as just 'Christian', so I'm not into differing from other fellow Christians even though I know we all have different interpretations of the Bible. I do, however, find that you and CRC pastors would see eye to eye on almost everything (at least from my point of view). Thanks for the awesome videos!!! Also - please read "The Mark of the Lion" trilogy by Francine Rivers and do a review!!!! One of the best stories ever written in my opinion. I think about them almost daily because they pertain to so many parts of life. Please read!!
Thank you, Bishop! The value of refreshing one's fundamental frame of reference can hardly be overestimated. As one goes on in life, one tends to forget some of the vital details of one's faith which ultimately weakens your belief system. It's like when you have to explain some of the important biblical concepts to your child...and, furthermore, it is so true that man's free will is really important. It can be compared to a man having received a knife from God. You can use it constructively as in for instance, cutting food for you and your family, or, you can use it destructively as in robbing and killing another person(s)...
Both Christians and Muslims believe in The story of Adam eating the forbidden fruit. Lets see the Twist of the story - Christian story = Every Human is born with ''Original sin'' because Adam disobeyed GOD. And Whatever good or bad they do, they will all go to Hell for eternity, unless they believe - ''Jesus is God and died on cross for their sin''. So the Christian lesson is = You can obey or disobey GOD as much as you want, but you will go to Heaven if you just believe - ''Jesus is God and died on cross for their sin''. Why amazing - one disobedience of Adam = All of Humanity become sinner & going to hell forever. Belief Jesus is God = Now you have a free license to disobey GOD. Bcoz you are no more ''Abide by the Law''! Muslim story = Adam fall in the trap of Satan and ate the forbidden fruit. But when Adam realized that he made a mistake, immediately he asked the Forgiveness of GOD. and GOD forgave him. According to Qur'an - Even before creating Adam, GOD decided that Human being will Live on earth and will be tested there to demonstrate who is best in deeds. And each & everyone will be rewarded in the next life according to their deeds. ''The story of mistake of Adam" was just meant to educate what to do when any human will do mistake. So the Muslim lesson is = You must obey GOD wholeheartedly. But if you fail sometime, you must - Stop the sin, Repent and come back to GOD, Then ask HIS forgiveness. [ Al Qur'an 2 : 30 - 39] Because HE is - The Most Forgiving, The Most Loving, The Most Merciful.
Now you are a nut ball. Humanity did NOT evolve from apes at all!! Man was already associated with this "Globe D", or planet Earth, approximately 21.5 million years ago. The simians emerges millions of years later! You listen to too much Darwin!
Praise God for you Bishop! Adam and Eve didnt pray to God, or with each other and believed the lies from the Devil instead of focusing on the magnificent's of the Lord! The goodness an agape love of the Lord was demonstrated an inherently love gives us a choice gives us freedom to make a mistake and so Jesus cover dare error our sins in the Messianic Covenant! You are amazing Bishop thank you God bless you I love listening to your wisdom!
Thank you Fr. Barron. As usual you make everything clear and easy to understand. I was wondering if you are a fan of Leonard Cohen, and if you would have the time to do a review of a song of his called "The Future"
Both Christians and Muslims believe in The story of Adam eating the forbidden fruit. Lets see the Twist of the story - Christian story = Every Human is born with ''Original sin'' because Adam disobeyed GOD. And Whatever good or bad they do, they will all go to Hell for eternity, unless they believe - ''Jesus is God and died on cross for their sin''. So the Christian lesson is = You can obey or disobey GOD as much as you want, but you will go to Heaven if you just believe - ''Jesus is God and died on cross for their sin''. Why amazing - one disobedience of Adam = All of Humanity become sinner & going to hell forever. Belief Jesus is God = Now you have a free license to disobey GOD. Bcoz you are no more ''Abide by the Law''! Muslim story = Adam fall in the trap of Satan and ate the forbidden fruit. But when Adam realized that he made a mistake, immediately he asked the Forgiveness of GOD. and GOD forgave him. According to Qur'an - Even before creating Adam, GOD decided that Human being will Live on earth and will be tested there to demonstrate who is best in deeds. And each & everyone will be rewarded in the next life according to their deeds. ''The story of mistake of Adam" was just meant to educate what to do when any human will do mistake. So the Muslim lesson is = You must obey GOD wholeheartedly. But if you fail sometime, you must - Stop the sin, Repent and come back to GOD, Then ask HIS forgiveness. [ Al Qur'an 2 : 30 - 39] Because HE is - The Most Forgiving, The Most Loving, The Most Merciful.
Makes sense… curvatus in se, or egocentrism as original sin… so far, so good. Communion looks like the logical therapeutic process after that. It’s a meaningfull meditation on the human condition.
There is no original sin! We are not innately bad, but the opposite, we are innately good; but we have an ego that causes us to see ourselves separate, lacking and at odds with life and others; at odds with Love, so we behave badly. But we are not bad! We are mistaken, we misunderstand life. Everyone has an ego, and it is not of Love. The ego is also not evil, although it is behind all acts we would consider evil. The ego is not a thing or an entity, it's just programming to take care of number one. This programming causes us to be self-servicing, self-centered, fearful, distrusting, defensive and aggressive. The ego is a sense of self, not something real or true. A sense of self is nothing tangible, nothing that can't be fairly easily overlooked, if its lack of realness is pointed out. The ego is programming that causes us to see life, ourselves and others through a particular lense; one tainted by fear, judgment, limitation, smallness and a sense of lack. The egoic programming creates a sense of being under attack or threatened by others and by life. The ego is in fear much of the time, and therefore divorced from Love. This fear is an illusion, an imagination of something fearful in the future; not based on an actual threat in the here and now. When we're identified with this very primitive part of ourselves, we believe in the ego's fears and try to protect ourselves any way we can; usually by trying to attain more wealth, comfort, power, security, control, success, popularity and admiration; all things that make the ego safer, at least temporarily.
I am fully convinced that Bishop Barron is correct in his explanation (which was apparently posted to CZcams on or around 2014): that the original Garden of Eden sin was not so much the simple act of eating of the forbidden tree as it was Adam and Eve's decision to start deciding for themselves what was (or is) good and what was (or is) evil. I'm convinced because the serpent told Eve that she could become "like" God, and becoming "like" God was also at the root of Lucifer's rebellion (Isaiah 14:12-14); and importantly, Eve decided that the forbidden fruit was good for food and desirable to make one wise even before she ate of it. QUESTION: Does anyone know where Bishop Barron's explanation - or anything similar - can be found in writing, aside from the following excerpt from pages 50 and 59 of the 2019 commentary on Genesis: "The serpent is the voice in human beings telling them they are- or should be-God-like, meaning they can rely solely on themselves to determine what is right and wrong. This is what is happening in the secular West. People increasingly rely on their feelings to determine right and wrong. They do not rely on God; they do not rely on a religion; they do not rely on a Bible. Morally speaking, they are their own gods. … And as the serpent correctly noted, 'knowing good and evil' can also mean being the one who determines what is good and what is evil. That is what is meant in this verse by "man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.'" (The Rational Bible -- Genesis: God, Creation, and Destruction. 2019, Regnery Faith.) Again, can anyone please tell me where something similar to Bishop Barron's explanation appeas in writing aside from the aforementioned commentary? This explanation seems to be extremely important, but so far I have not seen anything about it in writing except for the above-cited 2019 commentary. Thanks!
Dear Fr. Barron, Your exposition of sin, Original Sin, that is, is quite clear to me. Now, Our Lord has created us from clay or whatever, and has blown into us the Spirit of Life. Once this Spirit of life is recovered and it parts to its Original Place, The Creator, it is, or better, would it be against His Laws to have this body meshed-up, homogenized, pasteurized, and used as a fertilizer for the plants that live in this world? You know that there are too many cemeteries, and instead of being cremated, which is just as bad, we could donate our bodies to a useful use. What do you think about this? Best regards, John.
thepuppyturtle wrote: I'll let God be the moral guide of my life as soon as he sees fit to make his existence evident. me: "and God so loved the world that He sent His only Son..." - Jesus is the fullness of the revelation you seek.
He is......then it should be no trouble at all for you to post a clear and coherent reason WHY you believe that. The problem is this, your dishonesty (like the Good Father here) will keep you from posting it, give it a try and see.
For 98,000 years there was no Jesus, no Gods and all did quite well - why all religious, supernatural and an existence of it all happened so recent? ANOTHER WARNING: Christians advanced much more than Mulslims who still kill to defend their ass hole daddy up in the sky! But, don't forget, we are all humans - Christians can turn killers as are the Muslims very quickly too. Religions were ok to control people in the past - controlling sex for survival of all etc. Now religions are outdated and very dangerous - have killed more humans than all wars combined! ALL in the name of an invisible flying ass hole up in the sky!'
Sees fit WHAT? How do you communicate with those phantoms? How do they tell you straight out what to to do or not what to do? OR DOES YOU MIND PLAY LITTLE "convenient" TRICKS on you?
@@malinthelatin6457 People who believe do so based on their experience of God throughout their life, i.e., if we truly felt nothing or gained nothing from our faith, how could we possibly hang onto it? The answer is we couldn't. My advice to you, humble yourself (and know you can't know everything through reason) and pray to Jesus for awhile with the intent of wanting to find the truth.
This is wonderful but only partially explains original sin. What about original sin as being passed on from generation to generation as proposed by Saint Augustine? Original sin in terms of Jesus' mission of atonement? Original sin is also the basis of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception? There are so many gaps I do not know where to start. This is from a Catholic who is searching for answers to solidify my Catholic beliefs.
I watched you video just previous to this one: "Misreading Genesis". I got that, 100%. But then, how do we glean the meaning and definition of original sin from the same text? Specifically, how did we derive our definitive Catholic definition of Original sin from Genesis?
Seems to me, God knew before he made man the path man would take. I am thinking God has something great for us ahead as bad as things look at this moment.
Thank you Fr. Barron! Regarding your explanation that original sin was man's assuming the prerogative for determining good and evil-- can you describe what it meant for Mary to be conceived without original sin?
Hi, your Excellency or do you prefer Bishop Barron ? Please excuse my ignorance . I was wondering if you could help me with some of our traditions in our family . I was born in a Catholic family and I attend church when I don't have to work ,but I never dough in further than that and your explanation got thinking. I grasped the original sin and my question is , why did I baptize my new born goddaughter if she is not even close to making a decision of what is her favor colors ? I think the translation got lost in transition some how. And yes I will help her and guide her to understand the word to the best of my ability. Any comments would be appreciated , even maybe the trolls.
Hi bishop After watching this video I have a doubt that is If God forbidden Adam and Eve from eating the fruit of knowledge,then does it implies that God wanted us to live a life in which we can commit sin without us knowing it’s sin? Please I hope u clarify me on this.Thanks
Christopher Martin Peace to you. Would you be open enough to check this site out? This woman used to be veeery big in the new age movement. I used to be attracted to some of it...now I think of it as spiritual junk food. Delicious at first--but ultimately bad for you. :-)
I'm not familiar with many of the dogmas and doctrines of the world's various religions, but the dogma of original sin is one of, if not the most, egregious of them all.
What distinguishes this awkward self-consciousness from real self-knowlege or awareness? Does the Tree of Knowledge represent asking the question "Why is this Good?" or "Is this Good?", or does it represent like Fr. Barron is saying, the assertion of my ability to make goodness. ? (thanks for the interesting video)
My concern has always been the issue of justice..."Abraham was a Manifestation of God and a descendant of Adam; likewise, Ishmael, Isaac, Jeremiah and the whole line of prophets including David, Solomon and Aaron were among His posterity. Were all these holy men condemned to a realm of punishment because of a deed committed by the first father, because of a mistake said to have been made by their mutual and remotest ancestor Adam?" ~ Abdu'l Baha, Baha'i Faith
I don’t believe in “sin” in the way Christianity (as I understand it) teaches. There is so much baggage that goes into this word that it takes a lot more unpacking than many people realize. For example, “sin” seems to demand punishment. That’s what’s tied up in this word, not just the idea of “bad behavior.” Why should this be so? One can look at it a number of ways. One can see it neutrally, that punishment automatically follows sin as a necessary consequence - and one may leave it at that. But no, instead of seeing it neutrally this way we are told that we ought to “beat our breast” to do penance to a God who eyes us intimately with this sin in view… We are taught to make a big deal out of it and to feel stress, to introduce shame and guilt and fear and all other such negative emotions, that it is the mark of a “true Christian” even that to have these affections is a mark of spiritual progress… I don’t see how feeling the “crushing weight” of sin should lead one to a higher spiritual platform. It is in a sense pathetic even, that one “calls out the name of the Lord” in a desperate, feeble way; that one has left all his sense of healthy pride and self-possession and become “born again” believing that even for the slightest sin he deserves to die eternally…. None of this seems healthy to me. It seems artificial and a ghettoization of the interior life, not an advancement in spiritual maturity. Actually, it seems more like a debasement to be perfectly blunt. Nietzsche was on to something when he railed against "bad conscience"… True conscience and accountability DOES take into account a real estimation of his or her moral status. But self-evaluation need not imply self-debasement. Humility yes, humiliation not at all. That’s what I think.
I'm a bit confused about a certain passage from genesis: after adam and eve ate the fruit, God said that "he is like one of us, knowing what is good and what is evil." Who is God referring to when he says "one of us"? To the persons of the trinity, other gods, angels, what?
There is always freewill, option and choice. Even children are born with freewill, option and choice. That is why children need parents to correct them.
The existence of qualities independent of things which exhibit them seems strange to me. Is this the case for all qualities? Is there a softness itself? Wetness itself? Blueness itself? Transparentness itself? I do not seek for transparent things to look out of my house with, but rather, I seek for transparentness itself? I think that all of matter exists independent of the qualities we assign them and groupings of matter are often unique. however, for the sake of communication, we place things in categories so that we may make reference to the category. I think these categories are a human invention that describes our relationship to matter. I think that these properties we assign to categories are not a part of reality independent of our interaction with it, but rather, a property of the way we interact with reality.
How did the sin of our first parents become the sin of the whole human race? What was St. Augustine’s philosophical argument in support of the doctrine of original sin? And why do you avoid discussing the known facts of evolution?
Does concupiscence (what I understand to be the "tendency" to fall into sin) exist as a remnant of original sin? If yes, why then does Baptism not remove concupiscence, as Baptism removes all stain of original and personal sin--both eternal and temporal punishment, correct? Great video, and thanks for all your work on behalf of the Church.
But if we are made in His image and "likeness," then wouldn't delving into the understanding of good and evil be integral to our being? If we know not evil, and evil exists through the devil, how could we ever identify, resist, and fight evil when it comes? Bishop Barron has done what Robert Stackpole did in his book "A Bridge of Mercy," namely, exercise philosophical and theological "gymnastics" to come to a conclusion that is entirely debatable. But it seems to me that if the explanation is so convoluted, then it might not be right.
Man was Not made from clay of the earth. God formed Man from the DUST of the GROUND, gave life. Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the DUST of the GROUND, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
This might be unrelated, but I have a question about Eve and Mary that I haven't seen in my (limited) reading of exegesis. Eve of course played a unique and dreadful role in the fall of man as she listened to the demon and tempted Adam. Mary, played a unique and blessed role in our redemption as the new Eve as she listened to the angel and nurtured Christ. So (finally) I was wondering what exegesis the Church has on the corollary between the fruit of the tree as first sin creating division and strife between man and woman, and the fruit of the tree (the wine Christ created) as His first glorious act at a wedding where man and woman are united.
Given that we live in a culture that contains so many different world-views, I think it essential that we treat people _as if_ they had the right to regard themselves as the measure of good and evil, even though we believe such a stance to be fundamentally mistaken. We ought not to impose our Christian view. Once having so treated people, though, we ought _then_ to evangelise and show them why we think they are making a big mistake. Since God himself allows that mistake, though, we ought not to prohibit it ourselves. (Not that I am saying that this video does seek that.)
Bishop Barron, I am concerned that you seem to refuse to clarify what you said in this video. Several people, including myself, have commented and/or asked you about your comment which indicated that "Adam" in the book of genesis is some kind of metaphor for humanity. We are wondering what your opinion is of the reality of the man Adam, the true origin and nature of original sin, and precisely how your view squares with the Tradition of the Church. It seems, evidenced by several of your videos that have caused controversy, that you often leave legitimate questions on faith unanswered. As a bishop, isn't it your job to instruct the faithful, most especially on matters of faith? This is causing confusion. Please teach us clearly what you mean.
I do, however, agree that we should not "arrogate" to ourselves the "prerogative" of determing what is good and bad.... Such values ought to be "discovered" rather than "created." That I agree with; there is something "objective" in morality which we need to conform ourselves to, more than making such things out of whole cloth.
If only God can determine good and evil, is that not the "will" of God taking precedence over the "reason" of God (an element that you rightly criticized within Islam)?
Good Grief! This stuff is delicious! Even as a protestant I find these videos to be amazingly filling. Keep it up Fr. Barron!
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I swear the Catholic church teachings have changed my ways so much, Im from a Protestant background but would call myself an agnostic. BUT this guy is actually intelligent and explains his reasonings really well. If I were to go back to a church I would/will become Catholic
Yes, eating an apple created by the Good Lord, I mean how much more wicked can any person in the universe be? Eating a forbidden apple.O the abomination.Terrible.Awful.Despiccable. The Good Lord was so mad about this abomination, and rightly so. How dare this wicked woman eat this apple of all apples? It's unbelievable. I cannot stop ranting on and on about this wicked abomination. Oh my god. What a sin. such a disgraceful SIN SIN SIN SINful sin
@Telosbound oh., are you sure Zeus is such an asshole?
@@annemburada6265 straw man argument.
Came back to this video after last watching it two years ago. I was a devout protestant and loved my faith until about 7 or so years ago. I went through a deconstruction of my faith that lead me to atheism for about 5 years. Long story regarding what lead me there and what ultimately lead me back. But the roughest possible outline I can give for my path back is this. First, Jordan Peterson convinced me of the logical and moral necessity of the idea of God, at very least God as a necessary abstraction that is the personification of our highest moral intuitions and values. God is necessary as an externalized moral aim. But listening to Peterson lead me to Bishop Barron's videos. Bishop Barron described a God that is not A BEING, but rather BEING as such. Paul Tillich called God the ground of all being. From there, it's not a far stretch to accept that God, or essential being, contains properties such as intelligence. We are expressions of being and we are intelligent. Ergo, God is intelligent. Finally, I came back to faith because I chose to. I wanted to. Ultimately, we believe things because we wish to. I used to get so hung up on logic and reason, which are intellectually necessary for navigating our way through life. But our beliefs about ultimate matters cannot finally be settled by logic. Logic can only define one's options. But once it was done that, one must choose.
Thanks for sharing, glad to hear that! Are you Catholic now?
"Logic can only define one's options. But once it was done that, one must choose."
Right. The intellect is for knowing, the will is for doing.
The fact you are alive AT ALL proves you are a carrier of the disease called Original Sin.
Original sin- taking our own will over the will of God. Never heard it that way. Love your videos. Thank you.
Excellent summation of the Christian understanding of original sin. Thank you Fr. Robert Barron. Once in my early twenties while in college, I was given a strong challenge to pray. The challenge came from a peer who was a Christian. Though I was an agnostic, I took up the challenge as he was my friend and someone I respected even if I disagreed with on the existence of God. I sincerely prayed this prayer: "If I have done anything to hurt anyone I am truly sorry and if there is a God want to know you." That prayer changed my life and placed me on a journey of a lifetime.
in the meantime disease ravages humanity and all is well..amen
I've always felt that there are multiple layers of meaning to the Garden of Eden story. But you said something that rang a bell in my head that makes a lot of sense. By partaking of the fruit of the tree, Adam and Eve took it upon themselves to discern good and evil, instead of God. For some reason, that idea seems to be the best way I've heard so far of making sense of what happened next. Their eyes were opened and they were ashamed because they were naked. Since they took discernment of good and evil upon themselves, that means that they made themselves their own judges. But the problem is they weren't ready for that. They weren't equipped to judge rightly. God is the righteous judge. They took that role upon themselves and for the first time looked at themselves in judgment, not knowing what to do about it. So, they covered themselves and hid from God. This is one of those things that is at once so elementary, but also profound.
That is what the catholic doctrine teaches.
Your text gave me goosebumps. It really shows their "shame" in the deepest possible light. Great insight!!
How does one know how God discerns good and evil. Bible was written very long time ago and has lots of contradictions. Christianity will die the same way all other mythologies and religions died and people found it had nothing to do with reality. We are the ones who discern good and evil. We have philosophy for that and need to try to implement, a lot of it is Christ like. A lot of this judgement comes from good and bad feelings about things, nothing from God. There's also relative morality for some but then we have idea of utilitarianism etc. We take things in our hands. God doesn't influence anyone here.
@@kubasniak Christianity will not die lol. As long as people keep claiming of have visions of Jesus and hear from God I wonder how it will die. Chrisitanity will only ide if someone is able to provide the body of Jesus.
@@polkanietzsche5016 i just don't get it his explanation, sounds like New Age relativism. I grew up with the experience of people who knew actual good from evil and chose deliberately to do evil and tell lies. The Bible shows us clearly good from evil. Satan knows what is evil and uses it to mock God. New Age thinking says "it is evil only if you think it is." Or, secularists say, "it is all psychological. We can look for deeper motives and "think" our way out of it." At 6:27 he states his explanation.
My mind is blown. I was just baptized catholic and I really appreciate your videos! It makes so much sense!!
if you are into the program.maybe..otherwise just more religious folklore..amen
I'm always speechless everytime I listen to people explaining the obscure language in The Bible. As a kid I never thought much about it, but through curiousity and current events, my faith got reignited.
Thank you, Bishop, for sharing your wisdom on this platform and helping young Christians find themselves and their faith.
Bishop Barron- I am a stay at home mom and I listen to your videos every day when my baby is napping. These videos have livened my faith and nurtured my soul. Thank you so so much for all you do!!!!
That’s the greatest explanation I’ve EVER had on the Original Sin.
It never made so much sense!
Yes, eating an apple created by the Good Lord, I mean how much more wicked can any person in the universe be? Eating a forbidden apple.O the abomination.Terrible.Awful.Despiccable. The Good Lord was so mad about this abomination, and rightly so. How dare this wicked woman eat this apple of all apples? It's unbelievable. I cannot stop ranting on and on about this wicked abomination. Oh my god. What a sin. such a disgraceful SIN SIN SIN SINful sin
Gosh Im addicted to your videos right now. My history class somewhat ironic if ask me, is either atheist or just doesn't go to church, and didn't understand priest celibacy, the sex scandal,etc. I just wanted to pound my head on my desk. I just wish it was brought up at lunch, so I could explain it better to them. I will never understand parents who let there kids have all these questions and never answer them. when I am a father, I want my children to constantly ask me about the faith. I definitely want a copy of Summa Theologica in my house at all times. It can sit near the bible. That and the hunger games.
@brian elliot But who determines what's rubbish? This video is specifically about you; appropriating to yourself the standard of what's good and evil/bad.
@brian elliot I can already tell you lack good knowledge of both science and faith. Don't skip the question, who determines what's rubbish? Against which standard do you measure to determine what's rubbish and what's not?
By the way, could you google these names and tell me what you found out:
1. Georges Lemaitre
2. Gregor Mendel
3. George V. Coyne
@brian elliot No, I don't mean religion. I mean Science and FAITH.
Sweet! Very sweet!
Thank you Bishop Barron. ❤🙏
Thank you Fr. Baron. Very inspiring, I needed an explanation for my own tendencies to sin, despite being a devout Catholic! Helps explain David’s declaration in psalm 51, ‘I was conceived in Sin!’
Thank you Bishop for these videos, you explain things in such an understandable way.
Thank you, truly appreciate this clear insightful and illuminating explanation of truth, also appreciate your presence in the media, again, thank you.
Thank you father Barron, especially for sharing so deep understanding of what happens to our consciousness when arrogating to our selves the right to decide good from evil. God bless you dear father !! Always like you and love you !!
Fr. Barron, that was one of your best commentaries !
Thank you Bishop ♝ Barron you are a highly intellectual individual I love your videos on the Bible and the teachings of Catholicism! How the Good Lord Created the World for us all!
It's always amazing how Fr. Barron gives such thoughtful and insightful reflections on so many topics and the comments are so harsh and unappreciative. Pearls before swine, I tell you! Thanks Father, this message was eye-opening for me.
Ryan Slattery - it's always amazing how some (who allude to be Christians) can appear to be loving, but then call their brothers "swine" in a passive aggressive attempt to be assholes.
Sol Mon if Jesus can say it, I think it's okay for Christians to say it
When I talk to my family about God I am at the same time listening as I don't know what is coming out of my mouth, but these mouthing s are only happening with an audience that is responsive, I notice i am in no way elegant in speech with an audience that is non responsive and I find my self searching through memories to deliver a speech or to correct or educate etc etc, so it is with truth the receiver needs to be open to it as well as the giver. This is very inspiring Father thank you for it.
This is one of my favorite videos by you Father Barron. I'm amazed by how intuitive this story is. The writer of Genesis identified the essential human problem thousands of years ago...yet we still fall into the same trap every single day! Seriously amazing how even the brief account of the fall cuts to the heart of humanity.
Thank you Bishop! So many RC commentators seem "Catholic specific" in many ways. I deeply appreciate your broadly Christian comments and keen insights. We, the believing Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox churches have so much more in common than what separates us. Thanks for helping to make that clear.
As a non practicant catholic, but a stron believer. This vídeo has changed totally my view of life itself. I'm astonished on how much knowledge lays on few words, thank You.
Very clear words and great way to explain us theology. I`m feeling very proud to be Christian after knowing better God and is Sun Jesus through your thoughts. Many thanks!
Already recommend your videos here in Portugal.
God bless you!
Boy, are you easily sucked in to theological crap!
@@patrickbyrne3257 Classy.
God Bless you Father Barron. We are so blessed to have you in our Catholic Church, keep up enlightening us all.
Poor suckers like you can't even think for yourself and do your own research deeply into the Truth. Lame brained loser!
@@patrickbyrne3257 Classy.
Oooffff.... that was deep! Great explanation!
So good. Thank you Father.
Thanks so much for sharing this!
Awesome! Thank you!
Wow, this explains so much, thank you
That was a better sermon than ninety percent of what is preached behind Baptist pulpits on any given Sunday! Yes, I am a Baptist.
The baptism and renewal is great! 😇😇😇
I was raised a nominal Catholic and later became a born again evangelical. I have since denounced evangelicalism. If only an evangelical could give such thoughtful answers as Father Baron
It's time to get back home
Any port in a storm. There are no atheists in foxholes. Street corner preachers are a dime a dozen.
Adam and Eve were outsiders and wandered into someone else's turf. They got what they deserved.
Wonderful video. Thank you.
Wow. Excellent video! As in your Tre Ore cd, we are all wired for God.
So important!!!
You are a national treasure, Bishop.
I'm a Protestant Christian (Christian reformed/Calvinist). I absolutely love your videos. I see all denominations as just 'Christian', so I'm not into differing from other fellow Christians even though I know we all have different interpretations of the Bible. I do, however, find that you and CRC pastors would see eye to eye on almost everything (at least from my point of view). Thanks for the awesome videos!!!
Also - please read "The Mark of the Lion" trilogy by Francine Rivers and do a review!!!! One of the best stories ever written in my opinion. I think about them almost daily because they pertain to so many parts of life. Please read!!
Thank you, Bishop! The value of refreshing one's fundamental frame of reference can hardly be overestimated. As one goes on in life, one tends to forget some of the vital details of one's faith which
ultimately weakens your belief system. It's like when you have to explain some of the important biblical concepts to your child...and, furthermore, it is so true that man's free will is really important. It can be compared to a man having received a knife from God. You can use it constructively as in for instance, cutting food for you and your family, or, you can use it destructively as in robbing and killing another person(s)...
Finally someone who speaks to me on my level!
Both Christians and Muslims believe in The
story of Adam eating the forbidden fruit.
Lets see the Twist of the story -
Christian story =
Every Human is born with ''Original sin''
because Adam disobeyed GOD.
And Whatever good or bad they do,
they will all go to Hell for eternity,
unless they believe -
''Jesus is God and died on cross for their sin''.
So the Christian lesson is =
You can obey or disobey GOD as much as you want,
but you will go to Heaven if you just believe -
''Jesus is God and died on cross for their sin''.
Why amazing -
one disobedience of Adam = All of Humanity become sinner
& going to hell forever.
Belief Jesus is God = Now you have a free license to disobey GOD.
Bcoz you are no more ''Abide by the Law''!
Muslim story =
Adam fall in the trap of Satan and ate the forbidden fruit.
But when Adam realized that he made a mistake,
immediately he asked the Forgiveness of GOD.
and GOD forgave him.
According to Qur'an -
Even before creating Adam,
GOD decided that Human being will Live on earth and
will be tested there to demonstrate who is best in deeds.
And each & everyone will be rewarded in the next life
according to their deeds.
''The story of mistake of Adam" was just meant to educate
what to do when any human will do mistake.
So the Muslim lesson is =
You must obey GOD wholeheartedly.
But if you fail sometime, you must -
Stop the sin,
Repent and come back to GOD,
Then ask HIS forgiveness.
[ Al Qur'an 2 : 30 - 39]
Because HE is -
The Most Forgiving,
The Most Loving,
The Most Merciful.
Brilliant
Thank you
Now you are a nut ball. Humanity did NOT evolve from apes at all!! Man was already associated with this "Globe D", or planet Earth, approximately 21.5 million years ago. The simians emerges millions of years later! You listen to too much Darwin!
This video is excellent
+Bishop Robert Barron Love this explanation
I never thought about the original sin that way. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
What "wisdom"? That is his own egocentric interpretation in fancy words no less. Garbage all of it!
Patrick,
Back it up
Very well said
Praise God for you Bishop! Adam and Eve didnt pray to God, or with each other and believed the lies from the Devil instead of focusing on the magnificent's of the Lord! The goodness an agape love of the Lord was demonstrated an inherently love gives us a choice gives us freedom to make a mistake and so Jesus cover dare error our sins in the Messianic Covenant! You are amazing Bishop thank you God bless you I love listening to your wisdom!
I always considered that it was knowing good from evil - as objective realities - rather than deciding what was good and evil.
That's an interesting thought. Thanks!
Thank you Fr. Barron. As usual you make everything clear and easy to understand.
I was wondering if you are a fan of Leonard Cohen, and if you would have the time to do a review of a song of his called "The Future"
I like the phrase: ‘...up and down the centuries.’
Very well explained.
Both Christians and Muslims believe in The
story of Adam eating the forbidden fruit.
Lets see the Twist of the story -
Christian story =
Every Human is born with ''Original sin''
because Adam disobeyed GOD.
And Whatever good or bad they do,
they will all go to Hell for eternity,
unless they believe -
''Jesus is God and died on cross for their sin''.
So the Christian lesson is =
You can obey or disobey GOD as much as you want,
but you will go to Heaven if you just believe -
''Jesus is God and died on cross for their sin''.
Why amazing -
one disobedience of Adam = All of Humanity become sinner
& going to hell forever.
Belief Jesus is God = Now you have a free license to disobey GOD.
Bcoz you are no more ''Abide by the Law''!
Muslim story =
Adam fall in the trap of Satan and ate the forbidden fruit.
But when Adam realized that he made a mistake,
immediately he asked the Forgiveness of GOD.
and GOD forgave him.
According to Qur'an -
Even before creating Adam,
GOD decided that Human being will Live on earth and
will be tested there to demonstrate who is best in deeds.
And each & everyone will be rewarded in the next life
according to their deeds.
''The story of mistake of Adam" was just meant to educate
what to do when any human will do mistake.
So the Muslim lesson is =
You must obey GOD wholeheartedly.
But if you fail sometime, you must -
Stop the sin,
Repent and come back to GOD,
Then ask HIS forgiveness.
[ Al Qur'an 2 : 30 - 39]
Because HE is -
The Most Forgiving,
The Most Loving,
The Most Merciful.
Not a Catholic (I'm a filthy Lutheran), but I really appreciate this video.
wonderfull!
Makes sense… curvatus in se, or egocentrism as original sin… so far, so good. Communion looks like the logical therapeutic process after that. It’s a meaningfull meditation on the human condition.
Sick vid bro keep up the groovy stuff my man! #jesus #isgr8
Muito bom, fantástico 5*****
We all have a right to do whatever we please. And that applies to everyone.
Man's chief end is to glorify God and enjoy him for ever When man's chief end is to glorify man is when we have a problem
This is the deepest interpretation of the fall of man I have ever heard.
the "aspiration" you mention Fr. Barron evokes the spiration of the Holy Trinity, between God and the Son, Jesus Christ, & the Holy Spirit.
wholeheartedly agree
There is no original sin! We are not innately bad, but the opposite, we are innately good; but we have an ego that causes us to see ourselves separate, lacking and at odds with life and others; at odds with Love, so we behave badly. But we are not bad! We are mistaken, we misunderstand life.
Everyone has an ego, and it is not of Love. The ego is also not evil, although it is behind all acts we would consider evil.
The ego is not a thing or an entity, it's just programming to take care of number one. This programming causes us to be self-servicing, self-centered, fearful, distrusting, defensive and aggressive.
The ego is a sense of self, not something real or true. A sense of self is nothing tangible, nothing that can't be fairly easily overlooked, if its lack of realness is pointed out.
The ego is programming that causes us to see life, ourselves and others through a particular lense; one tainted by fear, judgment, limitation, smallness and a sense of lack.
The egoic programming creates a sense of being under attack or threatened by others and by life. The ego is in fear much of the time, and therefore divorced from Love.
This fear is an illusion, an imagination of something fearful in the future; not based on an actual threat in the here and now.
When we're identified with this very primitive part of ourselves, we believe in the ego's fears and try to protect ourselves any way we can; usually by trying to attain more wealth, comfort, power, security, control, success, popularity and admiration; all things that make the ego safer, at least temporarily.
interesting take on it.
Why am I unhappy? I have this gaping hole within me that no matter what I try to do to try and fill it stays painfully empty.
Wow he really is a good-speaker.
I love Bishop Robert Barron
And I thought only rabbi's had this deep knowledge of things of scripture.
I am fully convinced that Bishop Barron is correct in his explanation (which was apparently posted to CZcams on or around 2014): that the original Garden of Eden sin was not so much the simple act of eating of the forbidden tree as it was Adam and Eve's decision to start deciding for themselves what was (or is) good and what was (or is) evil. I'm convinced because the serpent told Eve that she could become "like" God, and becoming "like" God was also at the root of Lucifer's rebellion (Isaiah 14:12-14); and importantly, Eve decided that the forbidden fruit was good for food and desirable to make one wise even before she ate of it. QUESTION: Does anyone know where Bishop Barron's explanation - or anything similar - can be found in writing, aside from the following excerpt from pages 50 and 59 of the 2019 commentary on Genesis: "The serpent is the voice in human beings telling them they are- or should be-God-like, meaning they can rely solely on themselves to determine what is right and wrong. This is what is happening in the secular West. People increasingly rely on their feelings to determine right and wrong. They do not rely on God; they do not rely on a religion; they do not rely on a Bible. Morally speaking, they are their own gods. … And as the serpent correctly noted, 'knowing good and evil' can also mean being the one who determines what is good and what is evil. That is what is meant in this verse by "man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.'" (The Rational Bible -- Genesis: God, Creation, and Destruction. 2019, Regnery Faith.) Again, can anyone please tell me where something similar to Bishop Barron's explanation appeas in writing aside from the aforementioned commentary? This explanation seems to be extremely important, but so far I have not seen anything about it in writing except for the above-cited 2019 commentary. Thanks!
Dear Bishop, will you please recommend what other materials (books, commentaries, etc.) I should look for to learn more about original sin? Thank you.
Great
Dear Fr. Barron,
Your exposition of sin, Original Sin, that is, is quite clear to me.
Now, Our Lord has created us from clay or whatever, and has blown into us the Spirit of Life. Once this Spirit of life is recovered and it parts to its Original Place, The Creator, it is, or better, would it be against His Laws to have this body meshed-up, homogenized, pasteurized, and used as a fertilizer for the plants that live in this world? You know that there are too many cemeteries, and instead of being cremated, which is just as bad, we could donate our bodies to a useful use.
What do you think about this? Best regards, John.
I sure wish other Priest had your oratory gift Fr. Barron. We would pack the pews for the homily.
thepuppyturtle wrote: I'll let God be the moral guide of my life as soon as he sees fit to make his existence evident.
me: "and God so loved the world that He sent His only Son..." - Jesus is the fullness of the revelation you seek.
He is......then it should be no trouble at all for you to post a clear and coherent reason WHY you believe that. The problem is this, your dishonesty (like the Good Father here) will keep you from posting it, give it a try and see.
For 98,000 years there was no Jesus, no Gods and all did quite well - why all religious, supernatural and an existence of it all happened so recent?
ANOTHER WARNING: Christians advanced much more than Mulslims who still kill to defend their ass hole daddy up in the sky! But, don't forget, we are all humans - Christians can turn killers as are the Muslims very quickly too. Religions were ok to control people in the past - controlling sex for survival of all etc. Now religions are outdated and very dangerous - have killed more humans than all wars combined! ALL in the name of an invisible flying ass hole up in the sky!'
Sees fit WHAT? How do you communicate with those phantoms? How do they tell you straight out what to to do or not what to do? OR DOES YOU MIND PLAY LITTLE "convenient" TRICKS on you?
Religion is a disease, and Father Barren profits/prophet's from the symptoms.
@@malinthelatin6457 People who believe do so based on their experience of God throughout their life, i.e., if we truly felt nothing or gained nothing from our faith, how could we possibly hang onto it?
The answer is we couldn't.
My advice to you, humble yourself (and know you can't know everything through reason) and pray to Jesus for awhile with the intent of wanting to find the truth.
This is wonderful but only partially explains original sin. What about original sin as being passed on from generation to generation as proposed by Saint Augustine? Original sin in terms of Jesus' mission of atonement? Original sin is also the basis of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception? There are so many gaps I do not know where to start. This is from a Catholic who is searching for answers to solidify my Catholic beliefs.
I watched you video just previous to this one: "Misreading Genesis". I got that, 100%. But then, how do we glean the meaning and definition of original sin from the same text? Specifically, how did we derive our definitive Catholic definition of Original sin from Genesis?
Seems to me, God knew before he made man the path man would take. I am thinking God has something great for us ahead as bad as things look at this moment.
Hi, can anyone tell me the Introduction song? Thanks.
Thank you Fr. Barron! Regarding your explanation that original sin was man's assuming the prerogative for determining good and evil-- can you describe what it meant for Mary to be conceived without original sin?
I thought Jesus Christ was the only one who was sinless? He was without sin? Original Sin?
Hi, your Excellency or do you prefer Bishop Barron ? Please excuse my ignorance . I was wondering if you could help me with some of our traditions in our family . I was born in a Catholic family and I attend church when I don't have to work ,but I never dough in further than that and your explanation got thinking. I grasped the original sin and my question is , why did I baptize my new born goddaughter if she is not even close to making a decision of what is her favor colors ? I think the translation got lost in transition some how. And yes I will help her and guide her to understand the word to the best of my ability. Any comments would be appreciated , even maybe the trolls.
Hi bishop
After watching this video I have a doubt that is If God forbidden Adam and Eve from eating the fruit of knowledge,then does it implies that God wanted us to live a life in which we can commit sin without us knowing it’s sin?
Please I hope u clarify me on this.Thanks
Can you do a video, soon, about the pitfalls of new age-ism culture and practices.
I like new age and I am catholic. I don't think there is anything wrong with it.
Christopher Martin Peace to you. Would you be open enough to check this site out? This woman used to be veeery big in the new age movement. I used to be attracted to some of it...now I think of it as spiritual junk food. Delicious at first--but ultimately bad for you. :-)
Pat B ps I don't know why youtube drew a line through some of my reply.
Pat B
What is the website? I love mysticism from all the great saints of Mother Church, and I think it is very similar to new age thought.
I'm not familiar with many of the dogmas and doctrines of the world's various religions, but the dogma of original sin is one of, if not the most, egregious of them all.
What distinguishes this awkward self-consciousness from real self-knowlege or awareness? Does the Tree of Knowledge represent asking the question "Why is this Good?" or "Is this Good?", or does it represent like Fr. Barron is saying, the assertion of my ability to make goodness. ?
(thanks for the interesting video)
My concern has always been the issue of justice..."Abraham was a Manifestation of God and a descendant of Adam; likewise, Ishmael, Isaac, Jeremiah and the whole line of prophets including David, Solomon and Aaron were among His posterity. Were all these holy men condemned to a realm of punishment because of a deed committed by the first father, because of a mistake said to have been made by their mutual and remotest ancestor Adam?" ~ Abdu'l Baha, Baha'i Faith
I don’t believe in “sin” in the way Christianity (as I understand it) teaches. There is so much baggage that goes into this word that it takes a lot more unpacking than many people realize.
For example, “sin” seems to demand punishment. That’s what’s tied up in this word, not just the idea of “bad behavior.” Why should this be so? One can look at it a number of ways. One can see it neutrally, that punishment automatically follows sin as a necessary consequence - and one may leave it at that. But no, instead of seeing it neutrally this way we are told that we ought to “beat our breast” to do penance to a God who eyes us intimately with this sin in view… We are taught to make a big deal out of it and to feel stress, to introduce shame and guilt and fear and all other such negative emotions, that it is the mark of a “true Christian” even that to have these affections is a mark of spiritual progress… I don’t see how feeling the “crushing weight” of sin should lead one to a higher spiritual platform. It is in a sense pathetic even, that one “calls out the name of the Lord” in a desperate, feeble way; that one has left all his sense of healthy pride and self-possession and become “born again” believing that even for the slightest sin he deserves to die eternally…. None of this seems healthy to me. It seems artificial and a ghettoization of the interior life, not an advancement in spiritual maturity. Actually, it seems more like a debasement to be perfectly blunt. Nietzsche was on to something when he railed against "bad conscience"…
True conscience and accountability DOES take into account a real estimation of his or her moral status. But self-evaluation need not imply self-debasement. Humility yes, humiliation not at all. That’s what I think.
I'm a bit confused about a certain passage from genesis: after adam and eve ate the fruit, God said that "he is like one of us, knowing what is good and what is evil." Who is God referring to when he says "one of us"? To the persons of the trinity, other gods, angels, what?
There is always freewill, option and choice. Even children are born with freewill, option and choice. That is why children need parents to correct them.
The existence of qualities independent of things which exhibit them seems strange to me. Is this the case for all qualities? Is there a softness itself? Wetness itself? Blueness itself? Transparentness itself? I do not seek for transparent things to look out of my house with, but rather, I seek for transparentness itself?
I think that all of matter exists independent of the qualities we assign them and groupings of matter are often unique. however, for the sake of communication, we place things in categories so that we may make reference to the category. I think these categories are a human invention that describes our relationship to matter. I think that these properties we assign to categories are not a part of reality independent of our interaction with it, but rather, a property of the way we interact with reality.
How did the sin of our first parents become the sin of the whole human race? What was St. Augustine’s philosophical argument in support of the doctrine of original sin? And why do you avoid discussing the known facts of evolution?
Does concupiscence (what I understand to be the "tendency" to fall into sin) exist as a remnant of original sin? If yes, why then does Baptism not remove concupiscence, as Baptism removes all stain of original and personal sin--both eternal and temporal punishment, correct? Great video, and thanks for all your work on behalf of the Church.
Confession should remove all sin.
What is the song in the beggining
But if we are made in His image and "likeness," then wouldn't delving into the understanding of good and evil be integral to our being? If we know not evil, and evil exists through the devil, how could we ever identify, resist, and fight evil when it comes? Bishop Barron has done what Robert Stackpole did in his book "A Bridge of Mercy," namely, exercise philosophical and theological "gymnastics" to come to a conclusion that is entirely debatable. But it seems to me that if the explanation is so convoluted, then it might not be right.
Man was Not made from clay of the earth.
God formed Man from the DUST of the GROUND, gave life.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the DUST of the GROUND, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Rich--Wrong on both claims. We all come from Stardust. Or was it Starbucks 🤔
This might be unrelated, but I have a question about Eve and Mary that I haven't seen in my (limited) reading of exegesis.
Eve of course played a unique and dreadful role in the fall of man as she listened to the demon and tempted Adam. Mary, played a unique and blessed role in our redemption as the new Eve as she listened to the angel and nurtured Christ.
So (finally) I was wondering what exegesis the Church has on the corollary between the fruit of the tree as first sin creating division and strife between man and woman, and the fruit of the tree (the wine Christ created) as His first glorious act at a wedding where man and woman are united.
facts yo
Given that we live in a culture that contains so many different world-views, I think it essential that we treat people _as if_ they had the right to regard themselves as the measure of good and evil, even though we believe such a stance to be fundamentally mistaken. We ought not to impose our Christian view. Once having so treated people, though, we ought _then_ to evangelise and show them why we think they are making a big mistake. Since God himself allows that mistake, though, we ought not to prohibit it ourselves. (Not that I am saying that this video does seek that.)
Bishop Barron, I am concerned that you seem to refuse to clarify what you said in this video. Several people, including myself, have commented and/or asked you about your comment which indicated that "Adam" in the book of genesis is some kind of metaphor for humanity. We are wondering what your opinion is of the reality of the man Adam, the true origin and nature of original sin, and precisely how your view squares with the Tradition of the Church. It seems, evidenced by several of your videos that have caused controversy, that you often leave legitimate questions on faith unanswered. As a bishop, isn't it your job to instruct the faithful, most especially on matters of faith? This is causing confusion. Please teach us clearly what you mean.
I do, however, agree that we should not "arrogate" to ourselves the "prerogative" of determing what is good and bad.... Such values ought to be "discovered" rather than "created." That I agree with; there is something "objective" in morality which we need to conform ourselves to, more than making such things out of whole cloth.
Better still, look in 2Tim:1-7 and Matthew 24. Especially verse 14.
If only God can determine good and evil, is that not the "will" of God taking precedence over the "reason" of God (an element that you rightly criticized within Islam)?
Wow
Vive Cristo Rey!!