FORD F450 Pickup vs F350 Specs | Full-Time RVers review 2021 | Ford F-450 compared to the 2020 F-350
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- We are a family of Full-Time RVers living in a fifth wheel. Having a 40' fifth wheel, we needed a big truck for the job. During our first year of travel, we had a 2020 Ford F-350 Super Duty Dually. This year, we upgraded to the 2021 Ford F-450 Super Duty 4x4 Dually. This video gives a review after 4 months of pulling and driving with the F450. It also compares some of the differences between the F-350 Dually and the F-450. Watch this video to see how we like the F-450 and we hope it helps you determine if the F-450 or the F-350 is better for you.
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Thank you for your honest review! Stay safe on the roads!
one of the best reviews I've seen in a while, please keep them coming.
Thank you. Check out our Lithium Battery install too. We appreciate you watching.
I also find this review to be the best on F450 to F350 Comparison.
I'm glad I came across your channel. Great informative video. Glad to see your family out living your dream
Thanks Luc!
Great review, thanks!
Thanks so much Clint!
Good video. We are truck campers. We have had all three 350/450 and now F550. We have. We have been through many sets of tires over the years and every imaginable combination of airbags, leafs, etc. the last two sets have been Michelin XDS2. Goodyears wear too fast and have the harsh ride you are talking about. Toyos have a little better ride, wear well, and do not track grooves in the road as bad as Goodyear’s. But the Toyos are near impossible to keep balanced. It took us four shops to even get them initially balanced. The Michelin’s are near perfect. They balance easy, do not track grooves at all it seems, are the quietest as the miles increase. They wear nearly as good as The Toyos and provide a much smoother ride. It is never going to ride as smooth as an F350, but the Michelin’s are as close as you are going to get. Another hint, for the best overall ride, lower all pressures to 80-85. Your Tpms will show you that they will increase to 100-105 anyway as the ambient temps increase. That seems to be our sweet spot for a decent ride and high capacity on our F550. (That’s with 7000 lbs of truck camper and gear in the bed). Good luck. You can make it ride better. I’m with some of the other guys who responded, I’d take the turning radius over the ride anyway, it with our tires we have both.
Tony,
Thanks for your comment. Great information. We have thought about switching out tires and your feedback is appreciated. Hope we can run into on the road! Happy camping.
Great REAL WORLD comparison between F350 and F450!!
Thank you. We have a unique experience using both truck back to back.
F350 vs F450 for me is a question that engineers ask - "what is the duty cycle"? A F450 is engineered to have a 100% uptime duty cycle - brakes, axles, tires,.. I keep mine at max payload 80% of the time therefore F450 for me. If not pushing max at full time duty cycles then F350 makes more sense.
Great point. We use this vehicle as our primary vehicle, and our conclusion was we enjoyed the ride of the F350 more often than we needed the turning radius of the F450.
Great points here. Do you have any regret now not having the f350 dually instead for around town vehicle and when not towing?
@@j.l.salayao8055 17 mpg vs 14 mpg makes different when filling 48 gallon tank. My guess, for short in town driving, it may not matter, but the rougher ride quality may make anyones day just litter rougher. They are enjoying their F450.. it looks beautiful..
Great video. One thing you missed was the max pin weight difference between the two trucks. Any idea ?
Thanks for that , interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it
I found this video very informative as I am considering an f350 and f450 to tow my Grand Design 310. You answered many questions. Wondering why you would go up to the higher packages if you got a new f350. I also subscribed to your channel.
Great to hear Doug and thank you for subscribing. We really like the vista roof and the extended running boards, so if we were to get an F350 again, we would want a trip series or package which would include these items. We really like the look of the Platinum but can get some of these options one series lower as well.
Great review. I went with the F350 over the F450 due to the low payload capacity and the rough ride. My wife hated the ride of the F450.
Thanks for watching William. Go Ford!
Very good information
Thank you…Go Ford!
14" piece of chain with S hooks on each end. Makes taking off the center cap super easy!
LOL…thanks for the laugh Roger!
Just purchased my 2021 F450 Platinum in the Antimatter blue.. love it...
Go Ford! Thanks for watching James😁
@ James : How's the ride quality? I'm really torn between my strong desire for that awesome turn radius and my concern about the harsh ride. :-\
If you are not a full time traveler, maybe the ride isn't as noticeable. We have adjusted the tire pressure which has helped marginally. Recently the turning radius on the F450 has gotten us out of a couple jams - that's about 4 times we needed the radius. Jury is still mixed I am afraid. As long as your wife doesn't complain about the ride...go with the F450 if you need the turning radius.
@@BrightDaisAhead : Heh heh... thanks for the input, BDA! 😁👍
@@Milesco I ordered F350 Limited Dually on Feb 12 2022 and cancelled and ordered F450 Limited through the dealer ( May 12th) and is still torn between as you have described?
I don't think I actually have anything on order with Ford.. It is just the dealer's paper with $500 deposit. I can always change back.. I heard one of the U tuber saying that ride quality is about 10% lower on F450 than F350. . if that is so, I am fine with F450.
Thank you so much. We just ordered a '22 F350 DRW Platinum in Antimatter Blue. I knew I should have selected the standard running boards with the extension but I went with the power running boards instead. Loved the turning radius but opted for the comfort and fuel economy due to this also being my daily driver. We currently have a Grand design Imagine and plan to purchase a Momentum, thus the reason for the F350 DRW. Thanks for sharing.
Hope your new F350 arrives quickly! I’ve heard they are shipping slow due to the microchip issue. Go Ford!
How do you like your truck? I bought a '22 F350 Lariat Supercab in Antimatter Blue.
@@BrightDaisAhead it took me almost 9 months to get mine delivered.
@@BrightDaisAhead yes it is very slow. Still waiting on it. Omg.
@@alltruckedup2024 still waiting on it to arrive. Chip shortage I guess.
I have a nearly identical setup: 2019 F450 / B&W hitch / Rock Tamers / Garmin RV / Tireminder / Pulling a 2022 Montana 5th Wheel 1-1/2 bath with Disk Brakes. Great Review! My only thing would be to add that the 19.5 truck tires last considerably longer than LT tires, and are regroovable, and can be retreaded, and the brakes on a F350 and F250 are the same, but the F450 brakes are larger.
Disk brakes on the trailer cut the stopping distance in half (it seems).
Happy travels!
Wow…thanks for the feedback Al…I learned something! As Henry Ford once said, “Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at Twenty or Eighty. Anyone who keeps learning stays young. The greatest thing in life is to keep your mind young.”
I'm on the fence about the F350/F450 myself. The larger brakes would be great to have but here is my dilemma. If the trailer has disc brakes (I can't speak on drum setups) and is set up correctly, there shouldn't be any difference in stopping distance for the truck (in my mind at least). The truck brakes stop the truck and the trailer brakes stop the trailer.... right?
You have a Beautiful Truck… The upper trims: Platinum & Limited Seats are more comfortable in 450 than Lariat Trim.
Moving to Michelin’s and retaining 19.5 commercial grade but moving up from stock 225 size, increasing height with 245 or 265 series… provides smoother ride and reduces final gear for little better mileage, calibrate tire / speedo with ForScan. My opinion, fills out fender wells great, rides smoother & tracks highway grooves better than F350 stock tires while retaining tighter F450 steering and all the other F450 HD benefits. Weight limits are Derated especially with F450 to remain within Class A rating… actual "Design" weight limits of F450 are much higher than F350; if payload exceeds Class A 14k limit the F450 handles it so much better than F350… as many F450 Owners often already do with large & loaded 5th Wheel Toy Haulers unknowingly or unconcerned intentionally.
Before you go back to F350, try little taller tires in better Brand… improvement may surprise ya!
Waiting on my ‘24 F450 Limited… Sep ‘23 Ordered.
She got the ball.... she knows truck more than the truck guys
Thanks for the comparison and review. I was really on the fence between the 2 trucks. I am looking at a 40 ft toy hauler. So the F350 is a go.
Glad we could help! Thanks for watching 👍🏻
Did you order your F350?
@@wj2791 No I have not. The time frame is in about 2 years but i like to do the research
@@retiredbiker59 It never hurts to more research. 2023 may even bring some surprises on interior upgrades as F150 level.
Great information. Where did you get the f450 bed roll topper from and what model is it. Thanks
Sentry by Truxedo…thanks for watching!
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Do you find the camel leather is wearing well and does it hide dirt/stains? I've always had black leather but considering the lighter color. In your video, everything looked so bright and spacious.
When I order mine that sun roof would not get all its good for is more trouble down the road leaks and rattles beside and the cost to replace it when it fails
I would take the bigger brakes and tighter turning radius over the stiffer ride any day.
Maybe…but happy wife = happy life😁
@@BrightDaisAhead ……a wife thats just been run into the runaway truck lane because the brakes failed or gets stuck somewhere where you can’t turn around easily because the F350 is ‘Austin Power’s’g it will not be happy either. Better safety and capability over her whining…….
@@talonpilot I've been towing a 20,000 pound 45 foot long toy hauler with my 2020 F350 DRW for nearly 2 years now. I do agree that the F450 is over-built and a tighter turning radius would be nice, but even at 20k I'm only using 60% of my towing capacity. Downhill I rarely touch the brakes due to my F350's awesome engine/exhaust braking and the need for a tighter turning radius boils down to the skill level of the operator. In my situation, and in his an F450 is either overkill or compensation for something else.
If the ride quality is an issue change the tires. An easy fix compared to replacing the front axle to get a better turning radius. You forgot to mention that the F450 has a beefier frame, bigger brakes and a stronger, heavier rear axle.
Just went back to a F350 (22 model) traded my 2019 F450. I loved my 450 but you give up economy, ride quality, payload and you pay more for insurance. I am 4mpg+ better off already with less than 1000 miles on my 22. The better economy you speak of in this video is not much I was getting average of 13.8mpg-13.9mpg with my 6 speed F450 unloaded and around 10 loaded hauling my Momentum triple axle. The 450 has larger brakes & better turning, it is great to have but not a deal killer for me now. My wife did not like the harsh ride of the 450 and I got tired of it sometimes also. 450 is a great truck but I am good with the 350 again it is my 4th one I have owned now.
Main reasons to get the 450 is the turning radius and brakes, I do believe and correct me if I am wrong is the 450 has bigger brakes.
Regarding the issue of following grooves in the highway, I've heard replacing the wheels wider wheels such as 20" (semi tractor wheels) will help tremendously with the tracking issue.
Welcome to commercial grade 19.5 tires....
I like Michelin tires, I put them on anything I plan to keep for a while. I see that the ride has improved with some miles on the tires. If the replacement need arises, giving the Michelin a try could improve ride from Day one.
Good idea! I’m approaching 30,000 miles so getting close to replacing. Thanks for the endorsement of Michelin!
@@BrightDaisAhead Those 19.5 tires should be good for 70-80,000 miles. Nowhere near the replacement cycle of LT or P series.
Thanks for the review. Curious to know how many times you were not able to navigate and place your RV when you had the 350. Our next RV will be a 376th. Ideally we would have the opportunity to try both but there are none in our area.
Never was there a never with the 350, but the 450 routinely makes backing in and maneuvering tight campgrounds easier due to the exceptional turning radius. After nearly a year with the 450, my opinion has changed and would recommend a 450 especially with a 376TH. Thanks for following!
@@BrightDaisAhead Like most still on the fence, the wandering is my main concern. Maybe that would go away if I could try one. How do you find it with yours while towing and not towing? The harsher ride is not a concern for me. I am not interested in spending more money in changing the wheels to accommodate LT tires. Thanks for the reply.
@@denispinet3480 the wandering/tracking has diminished as the tires have aged. Or, maybe I’m getting used to it and know when to expect it based on road conditions. It has always been more pronounced when towing.
Get your tires match mounted with a road force that truck should ride smooth especially with a payload on it.
I have a 2020 F450 Platinum and love it . I pull a 40’ New Horizons that’s around 23k the way we have it loaded. The truck pulls it well , ride could be smoother but it’s not bad . I have the back up assist but have used it . I also use a GenY gooseneck to 5thwheel hitch . I would love to see a video showing how to set up the backup assist. I’m new this year to pulling a 5thwheel so any advantage to easier backing if needed would be appreciated.
Great idea Cliff! Let us find a big parking lot and we will get to work on it!
The "Back Up" assist doesn't work with a 5th wheel trailer.
@@charliehamel328 it does work with a 5th wheel. It’s actually hard wired. I’ll put a video together in the next week or so and demonstrate.
I would bet at 23k your over your payload capacity on that 450 its about 4600lbs at 23k pin weight is going to be more than 4600lbs plus hitch plus cargo plus passengers
@@stevemaguire2220
I’m about 200 under last time I weighed. I have a gooseneck ball in the bed . My 5thwheel is a triple axle and is a rear kitchen. My pin weight is lower than you would think . My payload on my truck is 4850.
Where was this video shot? Looks like a nice park.
Cava Robles RV Resort
www.sunoutdoors.com/california/cava-robles-rv-resort?
These front tyre's are actually meant for the rear Axel
I had a 2017 F350 dually and hated the turning radius. Went for the new Ram 3500 in 2019 and it has a tighter turning radius and the interior absolutely rocks. Apparently, Ford is going to do a substantial refresh in 2023. I will go back to Ford but I will choose the 450 based on the front axle. I don't know why Ford stopped offering the Wide-Track front end on the F350. It would make a perfect truck. But, with just under a 30' turning radius, I found it was a pain to park in lots, etc. Good video.
Thanks for watching Steve! As time goes by in our ownership cycle…the 450’s turning radius is demonstrating its value . Go Ford!
thanks for the video. with the tires, are you getting higher mileage with the commercial grade tires over the last set?
Will this truck, in this configuration, tow a 4x6 utility trailer with a small Chinese rototiller in it?
Soften your ride with Kelderman air ride system , makes a big difference
Jerome - Thanks for the tip and for watching!
Is that expensive? Where is the good place to get the installed? Would dealer be the good choice to do that work?
Look up them up on the internet and you can find a dealer in your area
Are you getting a lot of vibration with the tires or just a harder ride? You’re the first person I’ve heard who’s said that you prefer a 350 because the ride quality trumps the turning radius. 😯
Hi James…just a harder ride. It’s seems to be industry standard, but since we just came out of the 2020 F-350…the difference was noticeable. Thanks for watching😁
I wonder if it rides rougher.
Use a 4x4 and a ratchet strap for the rear hubcaps.
what tire psi do you run?
Does the 450 not come standard or have an option for airbags? I would think you could solve the ride problem by installing bags.
Airbags are not standard. Although airbags would probably improve the ride the ROI is probably not there on our current budget 🥴. Since the review the ride quality has improved a bit with age/mileage on the tires. Thanks!
Nice. I cant afford the fuel and the maintenance.
Why not just install kelderman air ride to the 450 and have the ride quality and turning radius?
Great idea Alex! We’ll look into the cost/benefits👍🏻
You should have talked about payload
Good point! The payload can sometimess be subjective as most don't use the trucks to haul a ton of gravel. We will make sure to include on any updates.
We just ordered a 2022 Antimatter Blue which will have the 12" screen. I'm curious as to the payload (found in the door sticker) of your truck. We ordered similar options. Can you share that?
Hi Hitch. We looked it up on or door sticker. The Front GAWR is 6000lbs (2722KG) the Rear GAWR is 9900lbs (4491KG). GVWR: 14000lbs. We can send you a picture of the sticker if you are on IG DM or email.
@@BrightDaisAhead thank you so much for sending the sticker. Much appreciated. Gives me a good idea what our payload will be.
Probably around 4700 lbs
I just pick up the f350 and the truck ride a sedan empty. The only thing I hate the truck is the exhaust braking is so weak compare to my last Ram 3500
The F350 does ride nice! Now you have a Ford…everything else is just a truck🤪. Thanks for watching!
I have a 2020 f350 and the exhaust brake sounds like it's gonna blow the engine when towing 18k through through mountains ; red lining the whole time almost, right below it
If you're still monitoring this post, can you tell me what the payload capacity is (yellow sticker on driver door jam) on this 450 Lariat? I ordered a 2022 350DRW 6.7L Powerstroke Lariat with very similar options and my decision was driven by ride quality, fuel economy, and ultimately more payload. I feel I made the right decision for my family. I'd really like to know the true payload difference and it would help me immensely to know the payload of your truck. Thanks!
From the sticker: “The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 4820 lbs. / 2186 kg”
PS. The ride quality has improved a bit with age/mileage on the tires but still not as good as our 2020 F350 Dually
@@BrightDaisAhead thank you very much!!
@@BrightDaisAhead the fifth wheel I'm looking at has a pin weight in the mid to high 3000lb range so I definitely will appreciate the added payload of the 350 in this case. Especially if I'm going to carry things in the bed in addition to the fifth wheel/gooseneck components. Thank you very much for getting back to me. Subscribed!!
@@davemaslen1042 the f450 is de-rated to not go over 14k the front and rear axle are beefier and the brakes are huge.
I have a Ford 2020 F350 super cab duly XLT Diesel chrome package many other options and I paid 57,000 I guess I did well
Sounds like a great truck and a good buy!
Congratulations! Remember there’s a huge difference in price between a super cab XLT and a crew cab lariat ultimate… like 12-15000 dollars or more sticker price… I guess what I’m asking is how much off sticker did you get ? The extent of a good deal depends on where you started negotiating from .
The navigation system on the 22 has been dramatically improved. Your wish is now a reality... time to trade in your truck for a new model? :-)
Great news! I think we’ll wait for awhile and use our Garmin RV Nav 😀
@@BrightDaisAhead Like so much, improvements seem to roll out with each new release. There's never a best time to buy anything. If you continue to wait for something you're hoping for, you may never make a purchase. "You" in the proverbial sense. Not "you" specifically. I'm an early adopter, so I'm always upgrading.
Too bad the same can’t be said about the 2022 F-450. Mine has been an absolute nightmare from the minute it was delivered. If I could go back I would have traded my 2020 in on a used 2021, not a new 2022. It’s really making me consider the next truck being a Ram 3500 with the high output Cummins engine.
Defects ?
Sorry to hear about your concerns with the 2022 F-450. Hopefully you've called the Ford Customer Relationship Center (1-800-392-3673)...they're really good!
Curious as to what your issues are?
I have an F450 on order as I write this replacing my F350.
@@davidlent178 Did you get your F450. I have 20 F350 Dually Lariat and currently have 23 F450 Limited on order with the dealer. I am not 100% sure if I am making the right choice. Do you plan to add Centramatic?
How can I get a price
The turning radius is completely different from a F350 vs F450.
Agreed. But it is all opinion. We prefer the smoother ride of the F350 as we use this truck as our primary vehicle even just to get groceries. But we have recently been in a few jams and needed the extra turning radius and glad we had it.
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This isn't even worthy to question. And anyone who says anything about the payload sticker shouldn't be pulling a trailer to begin with
Thanks for watching!
So, you're saying that a trailer loaded with lots of weight to the front, a family of five adults in the truck, a heavy hitch + lots of tools in the truck that causes the payload weight to exceed the truck's limit is impossible? I bet the insurance company would ask that question after a crash. I think it's an EXCELLENT question and 100% a portion of the safe towing formula.
I am assuming your comment is in response to Christopher as we at Bright Dais Ahead is very cautious about payloads, abiding by specs and do everything to promote safety, especially as we travel with young kids. Darrin, sounds like you are like minded too!
You're very wrong Chris. People who pull 5th wheel campers absolutely need to mind their truck's cargo capacity. The weight of the trailer pushing down on the rear axle + occupants weight + total amount stuff they're carrying with them needs to be taken into account. If you're pulling a heavy load and get into an accident, the insurance company will ask about how it was loaded, and God help you if someone got injured! Ignorance is NOT bliss.
Going to a winery...what
A f450 has a lower payload than a f350 by 500lbs it also has higher gears so a f350 gets better mileage
A f450 has a tighter turn raidius. An f450.is deigned more for hauling construction equipment and horse trailers in close envioronments on short trips not towing 5th wheels long distances on highwaysf350 is designed more for highway towing a 5th wheel trailer please get all the fact straight not just the heavy duty tires.
Lol, this is barely a comparison between the 350 & 450. It’s mostly about the cosmetic stuff he likes or is sponsored to like on his f450.
If you’re not going to mention all the differences between the two trucks, don’t put a clickbait title on the video.
Thanks for your feedback @boobacockaa. We’ll do our best to continuously improve our videos to meet expectation😀
Bright Dais Ahead - dang it, stop being so nice! This is the Internet, there’s no room for that kind of behavior sir!
If you are that guy who is a “spec guy” who built stereo systems based on the best of breed components, you are already disqualified as you were WRONG! Then and now. The F-450 is a different (higher) class truck than the F-350. The navigation system is a zero difference and should have never been mentioned as a difference. This video is completely ignorant and dumb. The TPMS is not available in 19.5. The truck itself is no comparison. Engine and transmission are the same, after that STOP! Most of this video is irrelevant in terms of comparison between F-450 and F-350.