John Howard vs. Paul Keating - Waterfront Unions

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    Leader of the Opposition asks Paul Keating about the government's opposition to non-union labour on the waterfront.

Komentáře • 94

  • @jimpikoulis6726
    @jimpikoulis6726 Před 5 lety +77

    A few years after that it is exactly what Coward did.... Keating was spot on.... Right he was

    • @clevelandwilliams5922
      @clevelandwilliams5922 Před 3 lety +21

      Because he can see the agenda by imputation of the question. Keating mistake was he didn’t call a snap election after he wiped clean Downer. He then would’ve had three years to destroy the Coward instead of having less time to expose him. Keating is a Champion he stood for real Labor

  • @joeburgos3163
    @joeburgos3163 Před 10 lety +71

    One of the the cleverest politicians Australia has ever seen no advisers script needed here.

    • @DavidTron63
      @DavidTron63 Před 4 lety +6

      The guy could think on his feet unlike the current clown pm we got. Opinion is moro is still looking for his clown boots but he'll be brb once hes found them and chatted with his 'advisors'..

    • @clownworld2244
      @clownworld2244 Před 4 lety +6

      @@DavidTron63 ...On the contrary, 'Da Mo' can - like Howard was able to do - think on his feet, while that's what makes his creepy clown act so persuasive. Nevertheless, if Keating was here now as Opp. leader rather than Albo, he would have smashed 'Clown Mo' into a pulp!

    • @johnhollioake4848
      @johnhollioake4848 Před 2 lety +1

      And a complete Tosser as it turned out.

  • @tomcross3000
    @tomcross3000 Před 3 lety +21

    Pjk could take howard at his best, but before 96 he was fatigued, overworked, burning out. Because he was essentially trying to be both treasurer and pm while everything looked like it was collapsing.. then pure opportunist, calculating, pragmatic howard comes along with his heavy hits and soundbites.

  • @jellybean_91
    @jellybean_91 Před 4 lety +56

    Keating had Howard's number. I still can't believe Howard was PM...and for 11 years! He utterly ruined this country.

    • @nev7711
      @nev7711 Před 4 lety +13

      I'll echo that. One of the saddest days in the political life of Australia when Howard became PM.
      It's so sad when it's realised by many, how brilliant Paul Keating was as a leader of Australia.

    • @clubberlang589
      @clubberlang589 Před 4 lety +12

      You have to remember Howard only won 96 election fair and square. In 98 he has a majority and then lost most of it. So he did not have a mandate if you take into account the result of that election. He was expected to get a thumping in 2001, until Tamper and 911 event. Howard was a weasel he worked those two events simultaneously to win that election. Come 2004, he had a stupid opposition leader which handed him the election result, when you factor in he was better alternative of Mark Latham the sell out. 2007 he lost to Rudd. So in reality he was a one term wonder, not an innovative leader with ideas or solutions. He just happened to have events work in his favour

    • @callumbrady88
      @callumbrady88 Před 3 lety +3

      @@clubberlang589 What did I just read? Only a leftie's brain could come turn 11 years as PM into a 'one term wonder'. Morrison was supposed to get a thumping. Australia does not want to be lead by the left. Rudd only got in because he leans to the centre and is a relatable guy. The Gillard experiment put Labor into obscurity for the foreseeable future

    • @CarNNNN
      @CarNNNN Před 3 lety +3

      We folowed America into war, believed a PM saying people were throwing kids overboard.......... The public believed it thanks to Murdoch

    • @clevelandwilliams5922
      @clevelandwilliams5922 Před 3 lety +1

      @@callumbrady88 keep defending the war monger Howard. He lost 98 election he did not even get 50% quota it was the distribution of the votes on seats that just got him over. 48% of the vote. Then Tamper and 9/11. Yes great leader in a time of crisis. He exposed his real and true initiative by using the refugees who mostly came from Afghanistan trying to leave a country run by the Taliban and use it to his electoral advantage. This is why he is an opportunistic piece of shit weasel. No better than Morrison. It seems Self Righteous Conservatives know how to attract that type of morality.

  • @gordopark13
    @gordopark13 Před 9 lety +25

    Won't forget what they did in Victoria with Patrick's

  • @Coolsomeone234
    @Coolsomeone234 Před 2 lety +10

    Howard did his best to imitate Thatcher in destroying wages

  • @AlexCimmaronBS
    @AlexCimmaronBS Před 5 lety +14

    The good old days.

  • @redundantideas
    @redundantideas Před 4 lety +16

    4:32 Yes, it was called Workchoices.

  • @sutherlandA1
    @sutherlandA1 Před 5 lety +24

    Well howard tried to get back at the waterfront unionized workforce in 1998 by supporting a lockout by the shipping companies but I think he failed when it went through the high court

    • @MitchDonovan
      @MitchDonovan Před 2 lety +2

      He did. Patrick of Melbourne was locked out. The union sued and won.

  • @ynocoolnamesleft
    @ynocoolnamesleft Před 5 lety +15

    howard taking advantage of a weak speaker asking the question a second time

    • @ziggystardust52
      @ziggystardust52 Před 3 lety +2

      That’s because he could only follow a script. He was unable to précis the question to the part Keating may not have heard.

  • @MozoMan2012
    @MozoMan2012 Před 10 lety +40

    Howard was a "Low Altitude Flyer"

    • @waynehampson9569
      @waynehampson9569 Před 7 lety +5

      No. That was Keating's description of Costello.

    • @evangiles9249
      @evangiles9249 Před 6 lety

      No it wasAlexander Downer he was refering to

    • @jtube1981
      @jtube1981 Před 6 lety +2

      The low altitude flyer was Costello. Saw the video a few minutes ago

    • @user-cg7uv3mh9f
      @user-cg7uv3mh9f Před 3 lety

      @@evangiles9249 well, to be fair he was also a low altitude flyer, albeit with a proclivity for women's stockings!

  • @vghart955
    @vghart955 Před 2 lety +5

    What annoyed Howard et al was that Keating, off the cuff, could head kick them and they loved it, but never understood why. This irony is as rare as hen's teeth. Note they all smile in total confusion.

  • @cvb777
    @cvb777 Před 3 lety +6

    Funny how Howard is trying to be all macho. Laughable.

    • @jw-vx8im
      @jw-vx8im Před 2 lety

      Johhny the joke. He helped ruin our reputation in the pacific

  • @dscrac1086
    @dscrac1086 Před 4 lety +8

    In Cricket terms, it's a free hit !!

  • @LeftIsBest001
    @LeftIsBest001 Před 2 lety +2

    These were the dark days of the Richard Court regime in WA, I know coz I lived through them..

    • @typetersen8809
      @typetersen8809 Před rokem

      And then there were the dark days of McGowan......
      Labor.....Liberal.....both the same.

  • @jimpikoulis6726
    @jimpikoulis6726 Před 5 lety +26

    Unless John Coward is Scripted he is USELESS

    • @drhollingworth5548
      @drhollingworth5548 Před 5 lety +2

      Mystikal 36 he was more than effective when he rfollowed the script of the globalist cabal when addressing the nation to send our troops into Iraq for the non-existent WMDS.

    • @jimpikoulis6726
      @jimpikoulis6726 Před 5 lety +4

      @@drhollingworth5548 Fair call. Bush said to Coward jump he said how high

    • @drhollingworth5548
      @drhollingworth5548 Před 5 lety +1

      Mystikal 36 yep

  • @garyhoffmann1615
    @garyhoffmann1615 Před 3 lety +2

    John Howard's cat would have felt the boot that night!

  • @camf7522
    @camf7522 Před 4 lety +2

    Interesting that Howard went on, once in government, to do with the waterfront. And the resulting disruptions......and scandal as o remember it.

  • @abbeymclaren6778
    @abbeymclaren6778 Před rokem

    Go get him Paul ❤️

  • @Chris-vq5vr
    @Chris-vq5vr Před 3 lety +6

    Politicians debating about productivity & awards for ordinary Australians.
    Oh the irony.

  • @matthewweste1233
    @matthewweste1233 Před 6 lety +6

    That speaker is a bit loose

  • @DavidTron63
    @DavidTron63 Před 4 lety +2

    Haha classic Keating. Where are you mate? We're stuck with this clown PM right now minus his clown boots..eh.

    • @Wedget
      @Wedget Před 3 lety

      Maybe so, I wonder how Albonese would have handled the Covid19 crisis, responses are welcomed.

    • @DeepseaSteve
      @DeepseaSteve Před 3 lety +2

      @@Wedget probably a lot faster reaction than the adverting exec

  • @yommmrr
    @yommmrr Před 2 lety +3

    Howard was such a little worm

  • @fnm404
    @fnm404 Před rokem

    M.U.A.
    HERE TO STAY!!!
    Union membership = higher wages,secure work.

  • @rosswaddell8522
    @rosswaddell8522 Před 6 měsíci

    The mystery is why on earth voters turned to howard instead of Keating.

  • @davidwarren4569
    @davidwarren4569 Před rokem

    Howard always had to refer to his notes. Keating had it all in his head.go figure

  • @bayleymackie9976
    @bayleymackie9976 Před 3 lety

    Keating looks like he just woke up.

  • @exannuc
    @exannuc Před 2 lety +5

    Oh and how Howard did give the working class an uppercut when he formed government

    • @Kajpaje
      @Kajpaje Před 2 lety

      How can we explain the working class voting for those upper cuts.

    • @stevvvvveperry
      @stevvvvveperry Před 2 lety +4

      @@Kajpaje alot of propaganda

    • @Kajpaje
      @Kajpaje Před 2 lety +4

      @@stevvvvveperry That's the easy answer, the propaganda. But it's the appropriation of working class culture, like Morrison watching Rugby League. Howard, Cash, Morrison, all adept at affecting a working class accent, peppered with common phrases. It's as confected as a strong curry with raw chicken.

    • @stevvvvveperry
      @stevvvvveperry Před 2 lety

      @@Kajpaje not to mention the so called free speech warriors, who try to conflate free speech issues with right wing issues to get the working class on their side.

    • @stevvvvveperry
      @stevvvvveperry Před 2 lety +1

      @@Kajpaje also I'm part of the working class and I see right through the liberal agenda

  • @deslang7563
    @deslang7563 Před 9 lety +1

    The out come, Patrick now pays labor over the top donations, labor now support Patrick

    • @evangiles9249
      @evangiles9249 Před 6 lety +1

      Des Lang your an idiot Patricks lost both the leases to the victorian rail network it had and the Acacia Ridge site under labour governments

    • @bashirhayek5255
      @bashirhayek5255 Před 5 lety +1

      Des Lang : It’s not because they support Labor or its vision for working people. They came to the understanding & realisation that to get what you want, you need to pay them to ensure you have them in your pocket. They came to this point because it was so embarrassing publicly that it cost them dearly in their reputation. So they pay them to keep things quiet.

  • @derek5168
    @derek5168 Před rokem

    Of course johnny monarchists Howard was anti union

  • @philipstallwood9813
    @philipstallwood9813 Před 4 lety +2

    Keating's level playing field policy was the start of the end of Australian manufacturing. Look at Australia now, not much manufacturing, just exporting coal and iron ore. Is this the clever country?

    • @redundantideas
      @redundantideas Před 4 lety +9

      Yes, we would be far better off with good old Socialism; with higher tariffs and lower quality products, forcing the many to pay for the few.

    • @philipstallwood9813
      @philipstallwood9813 Před 4 lety +3

      Looks like we have learnt a few lessons lately, time to get some better trading partners, and get some product security.

    • @CarNNNN
      @CarNNNN Před 3 lety

      @@philipstallwood9813 fear

    • @andrewsmith8729
      @andrewsmith8729 Před rokem

      Many manufacturing businesses need a sizeable domestic customer base and an international customer base to keep the doors open.
      1. The domestic customer base for many manufacturing businesses ended up divided between local manufacturers their foreign competitors.
      2. The quality of the manufactured goods with a longer lifespan do not need replacing as often as they once did.
      3. There is a magic number for every manufacturing business........ they have to produce and sell X number of items per week to pay for the materials, overheads, and wages to keep people employed and the doors open.
      A mathematical equation determines the number of manufactured units the domestic market requires. .....the size of the Australian population / the average number of people per family x 1 unit in the case of something like an electric jug.
      So, if the population is 26 million and the average family is 4 people.....the domestic market can support the manufacturing of 6.5 million electric jugs...... in theory. However, if there are 4 companies making said jugs and each makes 10,000 per week.............these 4 companies meet that number in 162.5 weeks..... so about 3 years........ then those 4 companies become overwhelmingly reliant on their international market.
      However, when we throw foreign competitors into the domestic market and say they import 30,000 units a week........ the equation changes. Now, it is 6.5 million units divided by 70,000....... so the domestic market is theoretically saturated in 98.2 weeks.
      If the Australian companies need to sell 10,000 units and their sales drop to 2,000 units each per week......... they have to sell 32,000 units a week to other countries for them to keep the doors open.
      4. Once the domestic market is saturated, the business has to rely more on its international market, the businesses' sustainability becomes far more vulnerable...... if something goes awry overseas....... such as losing their market share in some of the other countries........ the Australian businesses can no longer afford to keep their doors open...........
      Unfortunately, for Australia, our small population, when many businesses see the above factors play out.......... simply do not have the sales to justify keeping their doors open.......... if Australia had a domestic population of 120 million, many of our manufacturing businesses would still be here.
      The other thing Australia might have done....... and I believe it will happen globally within a few years....... is governments will consider introducing an artificial lifespan on manufactured goods to ensure forced consumerism makes more manufacturing businesses sustainable......... a Brave New World scenario
      It is so strange in one sense.......... many countries are starting to feel the curse of overpopulation............ while Australian businesses, on the other hand, have long been feeling the curse of under-population.

  • @user-gc9nj3do2z
    @user-gc9nj3do2z Před 4 měsíci

    Egotistical novice lawyers, there hasn't been a strong candidate since Bob and Paul.

  • @freefall0483
    @freefall0483 Před 3 lety +3

    Remember those days when the labour party looked after the workers instead of bending a knee to our nation's greatest threat, China?

    • @aidanwilliams9452
      @aidanwilliams9452 Před 3 lety +19

      Meanwhile the Liberals:
      -sold our largest beef producer to Chinese company
      -sold our largest dairy producer to Chinese buyer
      -sold our largest baby formula producer
      -sold Alinta energy company which then went on to have breaches of customer information
      -China owns roughly 2% of Australia's water supply without paying capital gains tax
      -NT liberals gave a Chinese company a 99 year lease of port Darwin and Morrison could've stopped it but didn't.
      -struck a deal to store defence department data with a firm with 49% Chinese ownership
      China also owns an 80% stake in our largest cotton station, which Labor had policy back in 2012 requiring them to wind it down to 51% within three years, meanwhile Liberals extended the deadline twice, in 2016 and 2019. Labor have also pushed to use the Liberal's new foreign ownership veto powers to reverse the port Darwin deal.
      So who's really bending the knee to them more

    • @Heisthelightoftheworld
      @Heisthelightoftheworld Před 2 lety

      Well thank the secret signing of the Lima agreement 1975

    • @Coolsomeone234
      @Coolsomeone234 Před 2 lety

      Solomon islands