How Norway Reinvented Prison
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- čas přidán 21. 06. 2018
- Prisons in Norway look very different than prisons in the rest of the world. In Norway the incarcerated have access to the outdoors and they can garden, learn to cook and take vocational classes. Pretty much the only thing they can’t do is leave. With one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world, Norway’s novel approach to prison might be working better than more traditional, harsher prisons. This episode of “Then This Happened” takes a look at what can be learned from Norway’s radical humanity.
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The Netherlands are not in Scandinavia
yeah like wtf
Norway isn’t Neither land down under!
The Netherlands does’t even share A border only A far sea border 😂😂
But the countries are quite similar politically
Neither is Finland
The difference is that places like Norway sees the bigger picture and works to prevent future arrests of convicts. America on the other hand is an in-the-moment mindset and only focus on punishment and has no regard for what happens after a hardened criminal is released back into the world.
The first part where he says "this is Halden prison" - is actually Bastøy prison, a minimum security prison located on an island just outside Oslo. Halden prison is a maximum security prison. And i actually live in Halden =)
Jarl S the prison? lol
No...the town =)
as a kid i remember school trips to bastøy prison as it was so nice there lol :D
Oops
Jarl S Du bor i Hajden ja... lmao
rehabilitation over punishment is the way to go. respect to norway
You don't know what statistics are, do you? Have you how much the lack of capital punishment reduces murder rates. Oh, and also. Learn english. It's not that hard.
If someone killed your mother you wouldnt be saying the same would you?
so they go to jail for 20 years, get out and kill even more people with what they've learned in prison
Christian Stender
Won't it people to deliberately do crimes for leading a peaceful and luxurious life for the rest of their life
Linckel but he wont get out of prison in america. He will in norway lol your logic is flawed
Applying Norwegian system to United states wont fix things. People will become good inside prisons but American culture will take them back to their old ways once they are out. Its not the prison system that's needs change. Its the values of the nation that's needs it more.
Like that nelson mandela quote at the end of the video.
Good point
But you have to start somewhere...
Krishna Mohan try going to the hoods, trailer parks, or welfare housing and you’ll see why people go to prison.
Also the fact that most of the population will not agree there, and if the politicians tried the norway approach, they would get destroyed in the polls
In the US over 1400 prisoners were executed from the Death penalty. 4.1% were later found innocent after DNA testing but could not retrial because they were sentence to death. This number is increasing due to our lack of an accurate justice system.
Now imagine the number of them who are innocent, but were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, and accidentally got their DNA on or near the victim.
Either way, life in America is so dangerous, that we Europeans rather make holidays everywhere else in the world.
Mrdirtyuncle01 Mm also prisoners are often held or treated in conditions that honestly worsens their condition instead bettering the worst members of society; solitary confinement? -makes people go insane. Prison in america is more like a long harsh time out, not that they don't have therapists and programs, but things could be a lot better. There's also the issue of private prisons but I think the type of prison that will be most effective also depends on the culture and government system in place, I would like to see more comparisons to find out what really is the "best" method, would be really interesting.
Ondrej Pazdernik not really, only if you live in a bad neighborhood.
NeoRamaRedZone no really, mass shootings seem to happen in middle class and upper class neighbourhoods, schools and recently at the newspaper business compound.
A Norwegian prisoner has a better life than an American laborer, at least one of them gets healthcare.
Yes, when they become wards/dependents of the government, they are provided for by the government. That's true about American prisoners, too.
Haha that's true! Sadly
@@pvtbuddie not really, prisoners aren't given proper medical care in most US prisons.
How can we even say that this wouldn’t be successful in the United States? It’s never been attempted here. The only way we’d know is if we were open to experimentation.
Being Norwegian, I feel proud watching this🇳🇴
You should be, this prison concept if is affective should be applied everywhere this is the modern solution and the most humane thing a prisoner could get. Congratulations
What rubbish is this, put violent prisoners in a hole in the ground and make them grow their own food and find their own water. Tax payers money should not be used 2 feed and house them
@@battlemage6084 u cant comprehend the ways of norway. norway has lower crime rate than ur country. inmates work in turn pay back the money of paytaxers.
@@battlemage6084than your not a human being because you don't care what your asking would be utterly inhum'ane and genicidal
How to go to college without spending money 101.
? You go to college without spending money in Norway lol
I'm very proud of Norway for it's humane philosophy. It's not perfect, but I can't help but feel privileged when I learn about the horrible conditions around the world. If countries can work together and learn from each others strenghts, I think we can make some astonishing changes for humanity as a whole.
Yes ❤
man these folks are ahead of our time, respect.
Poverty rate reflects crime rate Norway had low poverty rate thus less chance of incarceration and reencarceration
very true
That is true, however their view on how a prison should be is wrong and can not be blamed on more poverty. Pluss, norway removed the life sentence and the death penalty while they still were one of the porest countries in europe.
if it were only that which would have an effect, I don't think the difference would be that big
trygvepower mostly likely that’s for optics, he also said that they can i indefinitely add 5 years until they deem they have been rehabilitated. Unless they have an objective criteria to deem the level of rehabilitation as acceptable then most of the time that’s very subjective and I’m sure they use this to keep them in jail.
Joel Schembri if Anders Brevik actually comes out, then he most probably will be killed, because he is probably the most hated man in Norway.
3:27 MIND. BLOWN.
sucksqueezebangblow you have to look at the population. Imagine you have a school of 100 student and a school of 1000 students, and the school with 100 has 10 bad and the school with 1000 has 100 bad. It’s all about scale.
Michael Weston Yes, and if you have a school of 100 with 10 bad students, and one with 1000 students, wherein 100 are bad, both have 10% "bad students"
The statistics for Norway vs the US however, are 0.08% in Norway are in Prison, but 0.7% of the US is in Prison.
Norway has an economy of around 400 Billion USD per year, but that doesn't mean it's poorer than the US which has 10+ trillion USD per year.
Per person, Norway is at $80,000 per person in GDP. The US is $60,000.
The US has a school of 10,000 where 1000 are bad.
Norway has a school of 10,000 where 1 is bad.
The crime rate in Norway is actually 76.73 per 1000 people which is 76% more than the US. The point I was trying to get across was that they were saying that it cost less for them to treat criminals like kings when that is not the case. The just have a smaller population with a higher crime rate but still a smaller population.
Here is a better way to word it, the video is basically saying that if the US had as many criminals as them we would spend less money, but per criminal we spend less money then they do and have a lower crime rate.
Michael Weston No. You spend less money per person, but you have a higher crime rate.
I definitely agree we should not throw people away. We should do everything we can to help them change, and we should employ wisdom and judgement in doing that.
As a dutchman I can confirm, I can walk across the borders we share with the scandinavian countries. We just walk on the water, like lmao it's not that hard you just gotta keep the water BENEATH your feet
Since when did the Netherlands leave the Benelux and joined Scandinavian? XD
One of the best things they do is provide the opportunity to learn useful skills and help with employment and housing after they get out. A lot of our prisoners feel like they have no hope when they get out and usually resort back to their old habits. Think if our prisoners could cook like that or work on cars when they get out. Then know they have a safe place to live. That's makes a big difference.
We give a serial killer a PS4 cause he wasnt happy with his ps2
Olai Dreisbach I’m all for Norway’s system but that’s ridiculous... a mass murderer going on hunger strike because he wants a PS4
But didn’t they give him one without something? So that he couldn’t use it anyway
I'm Norwegian and he dosen't deserve a PS4
@@dinas.m8298Ps4 is trash
@@synocalpogman9131 ok i dont care i dont even have one lamo🤭😂
0:10 This is NOT Halden prison. Those images are from another, low-security prison (Balstoy I think)
1:22 That, is Halden.
What you need is a Norway-style prison only for first-time offenders...
this is amazing !!!
37 seconds, "America's is one of the highest" is not backed up by that graph, it looks somewhere in the middle from that?
The best 4 and a half minutes I've spent in the last week, fantastic video
exactly what the Norwegian serial killer said to their prison warden
The music is amazing. Anyone got a source?
What songs were used in this video?
i work with a guy who have served 3 to 4 years in prison, and he is going up with legal terms. He got a job, and have now a own apartment and his crime is in the past. He is a very nice guy and alot of people loves him at my job.People can change.....
Wow. Nice video.
"0:37" America's is one of the highest" As the U.S. bar is placed litterally in the middle of the other bars.
Norway should be applauded for its humanity
It's crazy well Norwegian ancestors were Vikings who know they would turn to be human about prisoners.
It is said that no one truly knows a nation, until one has been inside its jails. A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones.
~Nelson Mandela
Ole Nelson was one to follow---yep. LOL He killed his share of people. Along with his wife and her 'necklaces' of fire.
The first video shown is not Halden, but Bastøy prison. Which is a low security prison. Just to clarify. Google it.
The funny thing is if this was implemented in the USA or most other countries is that people being released from prison would break the law just to go back.
Except that...that's not what is happening. I think a punishment is necessary but before they are released, if they are released, rehab is necessary. Even if they're not going to be released they should have rehab. What about the danger to the guards in the U.S. and other places? What about the escapees?
Bless their little hearts. So sweet.
This warms my heart.
A majority of people commit crimes not because they are bad heinous human beings but because they've been lead to a life of where crime seems to be the a reasonable answer. Gangs for example tend to form in desperate poor communities that feel ignored by the state. Norway just doesn't focus on rehabilitation of criminals, they create generous social welfare systems that ensure ppl don't have a reason to turn to crime.
The Netherlands are not in Scandinavia, and the first clips are not from Halden Prison, that's Bastøy Prison.
And while Anders Behring Breivik does serve a 21 y sentence, it's what we in Norway call "forvaring" (special detention) where they can renew his sentence every 21 y, so by effect he'll serve the rest of his life in jail. And reports say that he's spending most of his time in solitary confinement.
Solitary confinement with a Playstation, which is how many people are perfectly happy to live these days...
The Netherlands and Finland are not in Scandinavia.
The host of the Nobel truly stands for the humanity. A great way to deter crimes.
Everything seems better in Scandinavia these days
Man, if I was murdered. I Would hope my perpetrator was being well taken care of in prison.
You are being sarcastic, but you would be if you were in heaven. Christians are required to forgive and all. How many die because of the punishment mentality?
A 20% recidivism rate vs. 80% in the USA and they are almost entirely drug related. They require people to be reformed to get out, so there are no monsters moving in next door simply because they served their time.
@@abram730 how about pedos?
@@Antiyoukai depends
Norway is a vastly more homogeneous society than the United states ever was or ever will be, and that factors into why what Norway has done works.
What in the actual fuck. He living better than me lol
When Norway's prison is better than Indian University's you know something is wrong.
It's doesnt mean Norway doing something wrong it's mean other countries need to learn something from them
It does mean that we have a higher standard of living here, and you are removed from society when you go to prison. Which we find to be punishment enough for crimes.
Well prisons in SA sure reflect the state of our nation 🙈
Theshen Thaver I feel you brother!
I hear that Odezza in the background :)
Bloomberg thanks for the great post! Just a friendly fyi - text shown in video @ 3:23 reads "save more that" instead of "save more than"
I'd be pretty pissed if someone killed a family member of mine then spend his time in such a nice prison! I understand rehabilitation is important but so is the punishment aspect!
Hewillhave a long fine to think about what he has done.
Would you rather the person who murdered your family member be thrown in a shitty whole and when he comes out he has not changed and will most likley kill again?
Amund Svestad He isnt coming out..1st degree murder is a life sentence
@@AmundLyric Or you could just blow their brains out and not waste taxpayer money.
Yea, but the punishment is taking their freedom away, not making them a lower life form, that's a bit different :)
I’m so tired of everyone looking to Scandinavia for the answers. The main reason things seem to work well in Scandinavia is because those countries are filled with Scandinavians. It comes down to genetics, history, and culture.
glad someone is actually willing to speak the truth here. People greatly underestimate how far cultural and genetic homogeneity goes.
... and yet, Scandinavia isn't so homogeneous anymore. Sweden alone has 15% immigrants, 20% if you account for their children born in Sweden. It is a tired old myth, like that of Scandinavians having nothing but blond hair and blue eyes. Please update yourselves on the current reality.
bjoardar ...and we see how well that is working out! For years the self righteous but homogenous Swedes lectured the world and its shortcomings. When they’re own minority own population increased as did the problems they just bury their head in the sand and pretend that everything is OK. But Rosengård exposed the truth. Heck...Swedes are even too wimpy to publish rape statistics by ethnicity. But my main premise still holds...
@@dknelson Wow, you got a lot of misconceptions about Sweden man. I suppose this will shock you enough to fall of your chair, but the MSM in Sweden actually looked at court cases on rape and published their findings about ethnicity. They found that non-Swedes had a somewhat higher percentage as perpetrators in those cases.
Rosengård have exposed nothing that wasn't out in the open already. The police report that told about Rosengård, Rinkeby and other such places, didn't refer to them as "no-go zones" btw, but "vulnerable areas" and argued for an increased police presence there. Something that actually happened, making those areas the opposite of a no-go zone.
What? You think grenade attacks and explosions was something new to Swedes? We learned about that back in the 90's with Hells Angels and Bandidos. Not to mention that we've been taking in muslims since the Balkan wars, yet all of our problems with them just "magically" started a couple of years ago?
No, what started a couple of years ago was the misrepresentation of crime in Sweden, the exaggeration and outright lies. Why don't you google "brå crime statistics" and have a look at the *original source* of it all? "bury their head in the sand" my a$$. Your main premise does *NOT* hold.
dman2020 not sure about genetics ? But yes there’s a huge culture difference.
where to sign?
What is the name of the two songs used. Preferably the second one.
The prison shown at the start with the guy tanning and one guy gardening is NOT Halden prison. Halden is a maximum security prison and looks more like a traditional prison like you see later in the video. The prison shown was Bastøy, which is a minimum security prison located on an island just of the coast of Horten. Prisoners there live in their own houses and has their own set of keys, and are free to move around on the island. It's featured in Michael Moores "Where to Invade Next" if you want to see more of it
You cannot compare a tiny homogeneous population to that of the United States. That would never work in the United States.
Does anyone know where the funding for the prison system comes from? I'm in search for more information about what policies are behind funding etc.
Tax money, pension fund.... its Norway... money is not an issue.... USA could clearly have the same prisons, but they instead use practically all their resources/money on the military.... useless stuff going on over there...
Judge: you're going to be serving 5 years in prison
Me: can it be a life sentence my honor?
Judge: one more word i'll reduce the time by a year
Me: ....
Norwegian citizens are treated just as well
Norwegian culture is completely different. Besides the USA has trouble taking care of 330 million citizens who aren’t committing crimes.
If you DNA match semen inside of a dead child, the criminal should be killed right away, though.
The U.S.A has the most money, if Norway can do it so can the U.S.A
Luther Reigns They are animals who committed crimes. You are the IDIOT. Ever notice it’s the morons who stick up for bad people who hurt others? What about the victims. You f**king piece of trash.
The only idiot is you if the Government would quit wasting money on a drug war but focused on taking care of the poor instead of placing them all in rows of apts like animals they wouldn't be so many problem they're treated like animals from birth in America.
They Can still do better
It’s sad criminals get better treatment than the homeless in norway
Kenyon papen Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure there is support for homeless people who want to quit drugs.
Maybe the homeless should commit crimes to get treated better.
Kenyon papen Socialist countries don't have money for white poor people. They have money for every other social experiments.
Well luckily in recent times the poor white people seem to get help from Norway, glad to hear that in only 17 hours they saw your comment and listened to it!
No Norwegian citizen that tries to find a job is homeless. Norway has NAV which provides housing, salaries etc. to all unemployed NORWEGIANS.
The homeless people in Norway are illegal immigrants that won't go to the state for help, because they know they will be sent back.
Great👍🏼
Norwegian Prisons actually teaches criminals a valuable lesson and US prisons just put criminals in cages.
Norway is a northern European nation, that means it has very low corruption and no lack of the rule of law. Also, it has huge oil and gas reserves relative to it's very small population of just a few million. Norway, today, thanks to the security umbrella developed by the USA and it's allies, post WW2, it resides in a very peaceful part of the world. Basically, Norway is, per capita, richer than Saudi Arabia, but also super secular. In short, Norway is the biggest winner of situation in history. It is wrong to compare Norway to the USA or the rest of the World, because Norway won the geopolitical lottery. Gods bless them I wish them all the success possible. But the USA's prison problem has far more to due with gang culture, than how the prisons are run. In other words, making our prisons softer, like Norway, will make our criminals harder, not better...why? because the USA is NOT Norway.
Mark McAllister I get your point, but making criminal stay in a small cell with no privacy is not going to help a human, is it? What if they got rehabilitated and helped back into life when they are released. Would you want a frustrated criminal who just spent 10 years behind bars, or do you want a person with possibility of getting back into the normal life even after 10 years as your neighbor?
Sondre R how do you know that the criminals in America want to be rehabilitated. Maybe it is not the system but the actual inmates themselves
Why do you need to know when they want to be rehabilitated, just try to make them "work" ready, give them skills you need in a normal job and they will probably use what they learned. Or not.
I believe a plurality or near plurality of all gang recruitment in the US occurs in prison.
Watch a few of the documentaries on USA prisions. You will see that most of the young men serving are violent, stupid, and don't really want to be rehabilitated into a normal life.
I like the norwegian way of thinking. Although I want criminals to be punished, the main thing I want is a lower criminal rate. So if giving up suffering for really bad people to lower crime, it's definetly worth it
This is great.
Wow that was great
American Culture, demographics, and everyday life is a lot different than these countrys with low rates like norway
Thats true. The US is just a little short of being a third world country.
What you’re effectively saying is that we can’t have nice things because we have brown people. How incredibly racist of you. Shame on you.
@ weetikissa Racist of you to come to that assumption, the US has a lot more factors that cause crime and repetitive crime regardless of race, if you had an ounce of education or political awareness you would be able to understand
Caucasian Invasion true, America has it easier regarding culture
Norway has a sparse population, with less noise pollution and pretty homogenized society.
Can't have racism with only one race (joking)
Maybe norway has ‘soft’ prisons because they have low crime... and not the other way around? That would sure make more sens to me. I feel like we are all having a huge correlation/causation misunderstanding.
DeSelby So far i have not heard from them. Sources like Bloomberg can say anything by siting any paper. Is there really a consensus? How long have we been studying the subject?
I mean come on: when you think about it it’s much more logical for a country to have less extreme reactions when the issue is smaller. Otherwise It’s like saying we’re gonna make the poors richer by giving them less money.
So without knowing anything about the subject you assume this video is wrong because it feels wrong. And you had to share that with the world as is, no work or any kind of research done. Thanks.
Michał Ty I’m not saying the video is wrong. I’m questioning the argument (See the « maybe » and the « ? »). That’s criticism.
I’ve encountered other instances of this arguments on youtube, and the other side in books like Freakonomics. No i’m no expert, but a simple man trying to make the right electoral choice.
Every developed industrialized country has lower crime than the US. Even some latin american cities are less dangerous than cities like Chicago, Detroit and a big part of Los Angeles
Yes, but you chose to share your "criticism" here instead of learning more about the issue, finding some actual arguments. You've considered your input worth sharing. I don't see how it's worth sharing, that's all.
where can I apply?
The problem with the American system is that they ignore the rehabilitation aspect of prisons. It may not be possible for everyone but it is possible for some.
Imagine having a guy that murdered someone you know going to a resort
Not much of a resort if your freedoms are taken away. The freedom to meet the people you love and hold dear, the freedom to go where you want, see what you want. The freedom to friggin walk down the street and buy an icecream. People go to prison *as* punishment, not *for* punishment, and if they ever get out, I want them rehabilitated.
The wellbeing of society is more important than feeding your ego. If you think revenge is the answer, you don't belong in any society and more so in caves.
bjoardar what if you’re an absolute deadbeat with no one like me? Lmao
I strongly agree with you Yerberger. Prison is not just about rehab, it’s about punishment and justice. A prison where prisoners get their own comfy bedroom with video games, computers and cable television is insulting to victims. Not to mention This would never work in America’s violence obsessed culture. Gang bangers in America would commit crimes just to go to prison. There are 325,000,000 people in America and our culture is completely different than Norway’s. The criminals here would take advantage of the system if our prisons were like this. How do I know you say? Because I did 5 years in prison for selling drugs. I can promise you right now that the sociopaths, gangbangers, gangsters and other outlaws in prison would take advantage of this system on a daily basis.
Boston Towny4life I agree. If this system is ever brought to America it must be done so very slowly and very carefully.
Americans are too full of hate to ever consider making positive changes to prison like this.
You are right
Worse than that dude, we criticize Norway's prison system for being too nice to rapists yet we ourselves are too nice to rapists. We don't even convict our pedophiles here who are mostly the powerful elite.
As an American I agree with you.
Loving it
Finland is not part of Scandinavia
The USA just laggs behind Europe
Lmao not really. Overall rankings place The U.S as a Top 10 country to live in along with its European counterparts.
Great. You keep all the invaders from your south.
@@ricoanderson6626 Where are you getting the rankings from? Most sites and charts don't even have the US in the top 10.
Norway is the best
Most Norwegians disagree with how we treat criminals
AC Milan Blog 1899 Channel I think it's not exactly that. They do do that but manage to change the people not make them worse. Most prisons do the with such high figures in reoffending in the us but Norway does the opposite.
I live in Norway and we're 100% not. An immigrant beat a guy so bad that he got paralyzed and brain damaged after he robbed him.
Do you know what the immigrant got?
5 fucking years... They should've fried that fuck and gotten it over with. Fuck our cucked system.
Aaron Bower Agreed. We are a rich country, we should pay up.
Most Norwegians agree with this. At least all the ones I've talked to.
like every NATO country except the US, UK and Greece. norway is in the upper half of gdp payment. but yes. they should be spending atleast 2%
As someone who makes $20K pre-tax/year and doesn't really have a family to visit or anything like that, Norway prison sounds like a substantial upgrade.
Tirelessly I sell this to my country Trinidad...
PRISON REFORM NOOOOW!!!
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You cannot take out darkness with darkness only light can do that. You cannot take out hate with hate only love can do that.
nappyboii91 😭
Alright I’ll let you go first in holding hands with a serial killer and singing Kumbayah
Memestreamer Inc. love your coment
that’s what they try and tell you...but let me tell you...sometimes that won’t always work. with peace there is stagnation. that’s why we go to war cuz some things can’t be solved with love...wish it could but it can’t, just how the world works
We get it, you watched a ton of anime where friendship is the one true power that can solve the world's problems.
The study states "We conclude that international comparisons are currently not valid." For other reasons you could argue about which paradigm is more effective, fair or human. But citing a study whose main point is that you cannot compare, hoping people would not check it, it disingenuous.
we also have prisons like these in denmark tho..:)
But Norway's are the most common to speak about
This is also why Norway is 150 billion dollars in debt...
Are you kidding me? That's extremely misleading to say. Norway has a debt to GDP of 29%, which is very low. USA has a debt of 21,2 trillion dollars which is 105% of GDP. That's the most amount of debt of any country in the world, and 10th most in regards to GDP.
Norway has a wealth fund of 1 trillion USD, or 200.000 in savings pr. capita. USA a debth of 65.000 USD pr. capita.
ALL prison should do is take away your freedom of movement. NOTHING ELSE.
Really? Lol
What’s the song in the background called?
Ben Thompson hoping to find that as well
Same. Sounds nice!
The main issue with the Norwegian prison system is the fact that people are and will be more incentivized to do more crime, as they see that even if they are incarcerated they have so much freedom in such prisons.The statistics show that currently Norway commits 72.73 crimes per 1,000 compared to the 41.29 in the United States. Another issue is that if Norway's GDP per capita is less than how much a prison spends on an inmate, essentially the output per worker is less than the amount, increasing debt. Finally, I was confused with the idea of the U.S lowering incarceration rates from 700 to 75 per 100,000. When the total crime in U.S is 11.88 million compared to the 330,071 in Norway, 36 times, how can we reduce such rates and not see a rise in crime?
norway dont have Americans
america first!
Except in job opportunity, human rights, anti-corruption, health, security, privacy, anti-discrimination, equality... the list goes on and on.
USA sucks
Fake news!
did you say this to see the rage on your comment?
How is that considered one of the highest?
How would one go about incorporating this system into America?
well...
US have - 300 mil citizen
Norway have only - 5 mill
Thats why they used relative and not absolute numbers in this video...
So the US can make a proportional amount of prison Club Meds if they want. 60x country population multiplied by the higher ratio of American prisoners vs Norway.
That is - if they want to.
Do you know what per capita means, dummy?
Norway also doesn’t have black people
Anton CJ ,
What’s your point?
Is their freedom really taken when they have this many options inside? Sorry no. Prisoners should suffer for what they do and harshly especially if they have committed a violent crime.
Before they committed a violent crime they were law abiding citizens like you. If only for the sake of them not committing the same crime when they get released, they have to be treated humanely while incarcerated and be prepped to rejoin society.
Fantastical History Really? In my experience catering to criminals EMPOWERS them to commit more crime especially as the system becomes a joke. They were all law abiding citizens before being arrested? Really? Are you a telepath? You know what is In the hearts of people and what their deepest darkest desires are and how they manage them? Don't be so naive to think most criminals commit just one crime before they are caught. They are arrested for what they suspected for. I work around scum bags regularly. They commit more crimes than what they're prosecuted for. Multiple case studies on how the.justice system fails most of the time.
Is the point of prisons to get revenge on others or to make society safer? The Nordic countries seem to be doing a lot better if it’s the latter. America on the other hand incentivizes the political system to imprison people because there are private prisons that turn a profit and then provide huge campaign donations to politicians who approve their conduct.
weetikissa You brought in a secondary issue that has minimal bearing in the argument as private prisons are a more recent issue I history. The US has many problems that contribute to its prison population. The pseudo Drug war is a major farce(which is a major contribitor) but to day this system could work here in a historically multi ethnic society that has cultural and racial factors has yet to be proven. Point being the not all nations are the same and not all problems can be solved by a One Sizs Fits All method. As I said I am around criminals daily especially ghetto minorities and low life whites my entire life in the US. I severely doubt the Scandinavian method would have the same impact as the cultures, mental health, educational statuses on average are not the same in comparison to Scandanavian nations. Could it help some? Yes those who are more determined to rehabilitate by making considerable life style changes. The average to all? No as crime and the apathy that goes along with it has its own culture that is deeply rooted in many communities that will take considerable means over time to uproot and change.
The prpblem is that after a prision sentence in the us, criminals are on the same position as before the sentencing, therefore they are more likeley to commit a crime again, if you give them a bit of education, respect and safety, they will think different.
The intro clip is not Halden, It's Bastøy, which is not a maximum security prison but a rehabilitation unit...
The ignorance here is baffling. This belief that the worst criminals need to be given revenge and/or killed is barbaric. Most criminals were raised and existed in a negative environment and learned only negative ways to deal with a situation. Many also have personality disorders. Consider yourself lucky that you did not come from such negativity and if you did, but did not end up this way, then be thankful that you are capable of making the right choices, not everyone is wired the same way. How can we make our society better if we lock them in a cell like an animal? How can we stop murder, rape, and crime if we don't teach them the correct way to act? This new prison idea is progressive and the numbers show it works. We need to stop judging and start showing compassion for these people. It's not excusing them for what they did, but helping them in order to find out what went wrong with them and to help prevent these types of crimes from ever happening again. You cannot fight fire with fire, don't we know this already?
I live in America currently, and at my young age that will not be stated, I’ve always wanted to live in Norway. My parents always talk about how it’s, “Too cold” or how it’s, “Too socialist”, but those factors seem to be working for Norway
Mentioning Halden, while showing pictures of the minimum security facility at Bastøy?
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A year ago I saw a Norwegian lady tell a story of how her pregnant sister was stabbed 70 times and left for dead. The killer was convicted and given this kind of prison treatment, and currently studying pursuing his BA.
Sure prisons in the US and a lot other countries need more of this system for lower crimes, but they don't need to go to the other extreme either where an insane unremorseful sociopathic killer is given a second chance. If you think that is justice and for the greater good then something is wrong with you.
I don’t think the issue here is what is moral or not, but rather what is more beneficial to society. Taking revenge doesn’t achieve anything, while rehabilitation, while it doesn’t always work, in this example benefits society a lot (less people in jail, fewer re-offenders etc = safer society, more people contributing to the economy rather than draining from it)
The point here is that, in Norway, prisoners get help to prepare for a normal non-criminall life, and it works! In the US, prisoners dosent get help and when they get out (if they get out) they dosent know what to do other than doing something criminal to earn money and then they come back to prisons.
I think rehabilitation is smarter than punishment
normally i am for rehabilitation, but can someone who slaughter 77 person can really be rehabilited ?