Reducing Energy Consumption in a Large Home: A Step-by-Step Guide

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  • čas přidán 12. 09. 2022
  • #vaillant #PDHW #costofliving
    In this video, I show you how I convert a highly inefficient and oversized gas boiler system into what is called a weather-compensated Domestic Hot Water Priority system and save the owners of this house an absolute fortune in their heating bills.
    This job involved:
    - heat loss calculations (18.50kW) and new system design
    - removal of one 24kW system boiler (not needed!)
    - removal of one of 300L unvented cylinders (not needed, unless there is 15 of you!)
    - rewiring of the system
    - supply and installation of weather compensated controls - Vaillant Senso Comfort
    - integration of existing controls (12 zones) into Vaillant Senso Comfort set up
    - removal of low loss header and system pump (not needed!)
    - improvements to hot water performance
    All those changes should save this family up to 40% on their energy use.
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Komentáře • 446

  • @andrewmillwardwatford9410

    You have no hydraulic seperation for a system with ufh and radiators on low temperature controls. This will cause underflow in the ufh circuits when in operation. The llh needs to be refitted and a separate pump used for the radiator circuit from the distribution header. This is standard Vailant and Viessmann design.
    Hydraulic seperation has rules for when and when not it is required.
    This design you have done is subject of many of my design videos and causes regular winter call outs for me.
    It's very easy to rectify the issue. Ask Vilizar at Vailant to do a system schematic for you.
    This is as much of a hydronic no no as ccts at the ufh manifold.

    • @UrbanPlumbers
      @UrbanPlumbers  Před rokem +40

      Well, we do disagree here. I’d rather have CCT on manifolds than LLH here.
      If I have made a mistake I want to learn from it and go back and rectify.
      I appreciate your experience but I would like to test it myself and go back if needed.
      I have seen the discussion with you and Adam re CCT and I am aware of it.
      I will report back

    • @andrewmillwardwatford9410
      @andrewmillwardwatford9410 Před rokem +17

      @@UrbanPlumbers it can all be proved mathematically with what you have learned from the heat geek course. I worry about credible sources giving out ideas with mistaken design principles. This leaves installers and customers vulnerable to system issues. Happy to discuss the issues with you.

    • @UrbanPlumbers
      @UrbanPlumbers  Před rokem +16

      @@andrewmillwardwatford9410 sure! I would love to meet and have it all explained!

    • @UrbanPlumbers
      @UrbanPlumbers  Před rokem +6

      How do I find your number mate?

    • @andrewmillwardwatford9410
      @andrewmillwardwatford9410 Před rokem +5

      @@UrbanPlumbers I message you on messenger before

  • @avivscrewvalla
    @avivscrewvalla Před rokem +132

    What is truly amazing is that Urban Plumbers took on such a massive job and did not force the client to buy a whole bunch of new equipment to solve their issue. Instead, he deleted inefficient kit, redesigned and rewired the system and invested only time.
    Syzmon is the highest caliber of professional! Well done!

    • @TheWebstaff
      @TheWebstaff Před rokem +1

      I can't wait to see the update and note from Andrew.
      It was a bit of an experiment and lessons might have to be learnt.
      It's good to see people's working out though!

    • @ogi22
      @ogi22 Před rokem +9

      Well, i have to agree that this is amazing and a great show of high class specialist. However if they had double what they needed, i would just leave those redundant parts as a spare. Such heater is not worth a couple pennies... I have a similar sityation at my home - exchanging coal heating for gas. And i still want to leave old stove just in case, work on it a little and have an emergency heat source able to use coal, wood, chips, pellet... Hard times are coming and relying only on one source of energy is very risky.

    • @edc1569
      @edc1569 Před rokem +2

      Breath of fresh air, so tiring seeing trades just scrap perfectly serviceable equipment, incredibly wasteful.

  • @chriswev
    @chriswev Před rokem +36

    Never met a plumber/ heating guy with half the knowledge, and ability of this guy, unreal 👍

  • @smithleon
    @smithleon Před rokem +48

    Wow, what a difference. Plumbing and heating genius. As a DIY'er i'm in complete awe :)

    • @silvervanmanfly
      @silvervanmanfly Před rokem +7

      As a plumber myself I am also in awe. A credit to the profession.

  • @microcolonel
    @microcolonel Před rokem +5

    Finally a heating plumber who puts into his job more thought than I put into my hobbies.

  • @nigelsears7191
    @nigelsears7191 Před rokem +68

    raw talent and whats even better is you do really go above and beyond to try to make your customers systems as efficient as possible , well done Simon

  • @Umski
    @Umski Před rokem +66

    I would happily endorse your ability as a real engineer unlike many of the so-called gas/boiler fitters that like to think they are! Well done on a) taking on the job, b) being tenacious and knowledgeable enough to fault find it and c) resolve it without resorting to a ‘rip it out and start from scratch’ attitude 👍

    • @Umski
      @Umski Před rokem +9

      @James Clerk Maxwell I have a Blue Peter badge 🤪

    • @Cassidy127
      @Cassidy127 Před rokem +5

      @@Umski this is by far the most magnificent comeback I've ever seen on the internet, very well played!

  • @Cassidy127
    @Cassidy127 Před rokem +6

    With these levels of competency and professionalism you should be running the entire country. Absolutely fantastic Mr Urban

    • @UrbanPlumbers
      @UrbanPlumbers  Před rokem +1

      naaah - the current lot are doing great, aren't they? 😄

  • @tonyb3629
    @tonyb3629 Před rokem +2

    It seems you have to be as much an electrician, plumber and boiler engineer - all at the same time. This is a huge, complex job that could completely fry your brain. Hat's off to you.

  • @burropoco
    @burropoco Před rokem +7

    Hopefully young apprentices are watching this channel and seeing a great example of what professionalism and skill looks like. It will certainly help them in their future careers.

  • @TomNook.
    @TomNook. Před rokem +4

    You are an artist and this heating system is a work of art

  • @michaelhales501
    @michaelhales501 Před rokem +2

    Your knowledge is incredible. You were certainly born to do this job!

  • @wakayama1991
    @wakayama1991 Před rokem +5

    really excellent video! Everything explained so a layperson like me can understand, delivered with humility and a sense of humour too!
    You sound like a true professional, not some blagging shyster (can you tell I've had a couple of those in the past?)
    Your customers are lucky to have you. Subscribed, and please keep the videos coming!

  • @theamanbaby82
    @theamanbaby82 Před rokem +16

    Brilliant video as always. As a heating engineer myself, I can appreciate what an amazing standard you work to 👌
    Keep up the good work & keep the awesome vids coming 👍

  • @Brian77766
    @Brian77766 Před rokem +2

    You are a heating genius that can simplify overcomplex systems and remove all that's not needed leaving the heating system more efficient and the customer very pleased.

  • @richardhalliday6469
    @richardhalliday6469 Před rokem +1

    Chanced upon one of your videos, I was impressed by the content, presentation and professionalism - now a subscriber - excellent job my friend.

  • @xbullshet
    @xbullshet Před rokem

    No idea or understanding , but it is amazing to see someone so professional and easy to understand, that he knows what he is doing and also, takes some risks to test himself. Thanks for your knowledge!

  • @fredflintstone1428
    @fredflintstone1428 Před rokem +2

    I love your channel. Your style of presenting is really natural as opposed to some on CZcams. Your knowledge is excellent and your problem solving skills really creative. Well done.

  • @justjacqueline2004
    @justjacqueline2004 Před rokem +1

    I have not a clue but am fascinated by the skill of Mr Urban and his unique approach to home heating that really effects us now.

  • @k20aa
    @k20aa Před rokem +2

    I love it when a plan comes together 👍👍👍

  • @boomish69
    @boomish69 Před rokem +4

    Love to see the original plumbers face who obviously thinks he’s the bees knees over designing such a complex system. Awesome job!

  • @NickLaslett
    @NickLaslett Před rokem +3

    Great explanation of the system and the changes you made.

  • @otw5974
    @otw5974 Před rokem +5

    Your work ethic is fantastic, as others have commented. Fine tuning and efficiency - simplifying and optimising powered by thought, not excess and compensation powered by laziness and incompetence.
    Re the softened water thing - base exchange softened water does indeed dissolve scale deposits, you're right. However when this occurs on a large build-up, sludge can form in lower-flowing areas, or restrictions, such as strainers, filters, and aerator fittings at the end of taps, so something to look out for in a situation like this. It can also dissolve 'cleanly' over time though and eventually pass through to drain without much issue.

  • @asmerom3025
    @asmerom3025 Před rokem

    Brilliant ! Mesmerising watching a true professional at work..

  • @SuperMcgenius
    @SuperMcgenius Před rokem

    I like that you tried without knowing it would work. Glad it did, smart work.

  • @davidbrotherson933
    @davidbrotherson933 Před rokem +7

    Another great video of your work.. your depth of knowledge is incredible. I don't know how you learned all that but your customers are lucky to have such a top professional on the job.

    • @delilahlynch324
      @delilahlynch324 Před rokem +2

      He's done the heat geek training course, best resource in the country

  • @Flashg19811
    @Flashg19811 Před rokem +4

    You are a master of your craft and I’m addicted to watching vids now about plumbing and heating…😂😂

  • @john-qq4ym
    @john-qq4ym Před rokem +1

    You're amazing, managing to sort out all that wiring. I was impressed with the condition of the hot water cylinders, no limescale at all. After seeing that I went and bought an industrial water softener to fill my 4,000 litre buffer tank. I'm planning on linking an annexe and have some insulated underground water pipe, it's 32mm so I'm going to thread 16mm through to get my flow rate correct. It's only a 10 mtr. run so I think it should be fine. I'm leaving the hot water on Economy 7 as long as my contract allows. I find with a properly insulated large tank there's
    very little loss over the day. Some people complain about heat loss from a store but what I've found is you have to make sure there's no parasitic convection going on. Another thing I don't think people realise is that their heat store isn't fully up to temperature to start with. I can see heat stores will be very useful when smart grid pricing comes along. John.

  • @gheorghiuvasile266
    @gheorghiuvasile266 Před rokem +1

    We can summarize that in order to save a fortune on heating costs we should call a competent and knowledgeable plumber :D very good video I quite enjoyed it, thanks for sharing!

  • @valentinmirauta7059
    @valentinmirauta7059 Před rokem +1

    Knowledgeable at its best, very good video for who is in the game and not only. Thanks

  • @ashplumb1
    @ashplumb1 Před rokem +1

    You pal are a very clever chap. Mind is blown again

  • @lincslegend6936
    @lincslegend6936 Před rokem +2

    Knowledge and skill off the scale. 👏

  • @hansv.d.p.8679
    @hansv.d.p.8679 Před rokem

    Well..Simon..you have nailed it... bravo and keep on going...greetings from Rotterdam ..thanks for sharing .

  • @richwaight
    @richwaight Před rokem +1

    Brilliant work! Super interesting and well explained 🙌

  • @stephengreen6338
    @stephengreen6338 Před rokem +1

    And to think I had trouble wiring a Y plan, with cylinder, and room stat, you my friend are on a higher plain, enjoy the content, well done Simone

  • @kenbone4535
    @kenbone4535 Před rokem +3

    I love wiring heating controls, looking to be working with you soon.

  • @deanchapple1
    @deanchapple1 Před rokem +1

    Thanks for taking the time!!

  • @henrybartlett1986
    @henrybartlett1986 Před rokem

    Well done. These are great to watch.

  • @johndevlin980
    @johndevlin980 Před rokem +1

    That’s amazing mate, good work 👍

  • @Chris-js4yq
    @Chris-js4yq Před rokem +3

    Fantastic really enjoyed this as a gas engineer thank you

  • @euroasiabtlimited3208

    Great work . Thanks for sharing all that valuable information .

  • @petehefferon8192
    @petehefferon8192 Před rokem +4

    It’s mental how much knowledge you keep stored in your brain. Incredible

  • @hogey74
    @hogey74 Před rokem

    Great video thanks and salient in late 2022 in Europe. Also good seeing you discussing theory and practice in the comments.

  • @liamknowles6658
    @liamknowles6658 Před rokem

    Another great video! Love to see these

  • @fastestmilkman3840
    @fastestmilkman3840 Před rokem +1

    Amazing work, loved how you have worked everything out first and problem-solve - wish you are closer to us in (Bath) as it is a pain to find a good plumber to install a new boiler for us at the moment!

  • @Colin82ish
    @Colin82ish Před rokem +4

    Wow, so many wiring centres, my mind is blown. What a superb job you've done there, most impressive!

  • @dglcomputers1498
    @dglcomputers1498 Před rokem +1

    I will say the Vailant/Gloworm ebus stuff is quite handy, we had a new glowworm compact fitted at the place we are renting and no controller or even a room thermostat was fitted (the previous boiler being an ultracom with the built in programmer). Absolute pain to turn the heating on/off so ended up getting a ClimaPro2. Installed in seconds using the plug under the boiler and so much easier than having to take the front cover off to wire something internally.

  • @andyhodchild8
    @andyhodchild8 Před rokem +1

    Very good video, for 30 years I fit weather compensator, the old honeywell AQ6000 was a fab weather compensator controller with optimum on and optimum off. If HMG wanted to improve efficiency they could get rid of bimetallic stats, thermistors are so much better.

  • @Matt.ffgmatHexPulseChain

    Brilliant job!!! 👍👍👍👍

  • @careykaeding4542
    @careykaeding4542 Před rokem

    They hired you for a reason. Tons of houses out there like this. Keep up the good work

  • @chowfont
    @chowfont Před rokem

    Love these videos, such a clever guy.

  • @loving-plumbing
    @loving-plumbing Před rokem +2

    Another well explained interesting video. Great stuff

  • @thomassheridan4252
    @thomassheridan4252 Před rokem +2

    Excellent video, don't think most electricians could have worked that out.

  • @makgou9148
    @makgou9148 Před rokem +1

    Simon strikes again. As always covers every detail as it should have been in the first place.

  • @johnsmith-ik8il
    @johnsmith-ik8il Před rokem

    I watch these videos even though I have no idea what he's talking about. What a guy.

  • @samposton9101
    @samposton9101 Před rokem +2

    Lovely work mate. What a massive difference that will make to their gas bills this year!

    • @UrbanPlumbers
      @UrbanPlumbers  Před rokem +4

      There is more to it than I was able to show on the video. They had 600L of stored water and never enough hot water - 2nd circulation was constantly depleting the cylinders with 2 x boilers constantly trying to recharge them!
      This should make a massive improvement to energy consumption

    • @samposton9101
      @samposton9101 Před rokem

      @@UrbanPlumbers crazy!! I suppose that’s why the secondary return should be lagged so well to stop that. At the new gas price that’s over 2.5k per year in saving!!

    • @UrbanPlumbers
      @UrbanPlumbers  Před rokem +1

      @@samposton9101 yes, you can easily cost you that much with insane 600L and 50kW of boilers cycling all day

    • @singlendhot8628
      @singlendhot8628 Před rokem +2

      @@UrbanPlumbers Reminds me of that mixing episode you did earlier in the year. Well done!

  • @MichaelPickles
    @MichaelPickles Před rokem +1

    You should open that bottle of champagne to celebrate a job well done

  • @wilteduk007
    @wilteduk007 Před rokem +3

    It's a rarity to find someone so knowledgeable.

  • @hansgroenewegen6910
    @hansgroenewegen6910 Před rokem

    You.are.a.good.plummer! Very good video. Thank you!

  • @adobo6905
    @adobo6905 Před rokem

    You are doing an excellent explanation with the limited time and complex installation that you have. You did not tell us if the boilers were set up to fire properly to maintain the needed space and hot water temp. You stated that energy consumption was high with not enough heating but you did not share your findings as to what caused the situation of the high energy bill. Good luck.

  • @psi10001
    @psi10001 Před rokem +3

    I can't wait to see the results in a year!

    • @UrbanPlumbers
      @UrbanPlumbers  Před rokem +1

      I think I will go back in Jan 2023 once we have data for at least 2-3 colder months.

  • @delilahlynch324
    @delilahlynch324 Před rokem

    Amazing job! 👏

  • @spikespike9430
    @spikespike9430 Před rokem +7

    Just found your channel and really impressed. You may still have a bit to learn but could be the time to ease of on the tools and make your fortune in consulting. ie How to do a proper job or correct what 'heating engineers ' have botched up and over charged on. ( only applies to some, you know who you are ) Your knowledge for your age far exceeds what an average guy knows and your videos and knowledge is truly inspirational. Well done and keep the videos coming.

  • @mrraoulfrench
    @mrraoulfrench Před rokem

    Very good brother.. great work.

  • @gino2465
    @gino2465 Před rokem

    Now that's a real nice home

  • @Lee.Willcox
    @Lee.Willcox Před rokem +2

    I love their choice in the heating system, I love how you have rationalised it all (BRILLIANT) and I really love their choice in paint 🤭 Farrow & Ball, they are superior producers of paint with a wonderful palette of rich colours (no I don't work for them).
    Such an daunting job you have taken on and you achieved it 😎

    • @stephen3654
      @stephen3654 Před rokem +2

      They're not short, they can even afford Andrex.

    • @Lee.Willcox
      @Lee.Willcox Před rokem +1

      ​@@stephen3654 😄😆😅🤣I shop at LIDL and their bog roll chafes 😩 If only I could afford ALDI or ASDA bog paper, let alone Waitrose 😤😥

    • @stephen3654
      @stephen3654 Před rokem +1

      @@Lee.Willcox I use my hand and rinse it in the flush

  • @chrispychan4547
    @chrispychan4547 Před rokem

    Awesome plumbing man. Would love to understand the electronics side to your level one day.

  • @gino2465
    @gino2465 Před rokem

    Very interesting job.

  • @pradhpatle
    @pradhpatle Před rokem +1

    It will succeed 👍. Have no doubt about it. I hate low loss headers when they are not needed. If in doubt I would put small buffer with buffer sensors wired to vr 71 instead.

  • @davejohnston5158
    @davejohnston5158 Před rokem +3

    I have always thought commercial heating engineers have been lured by over complexity for technical one-upmanship. It appears that the clients budget usually determines the system size. In a house of this size I would expect a second boiler to be in position just to prevent inconvenient heat failure. I am amazed that all those zones work on one built-in boiler pump.

  • @scott19087
    @scott19087 Před rokem

    I always take my time to write numbers and rooms on the corresponding wires, plus I write it on a piece of paper and leave that on the boiler/heat pump. Sometimes it feels useless but seeing how much time it takes you figuring out, I’ll continue doing it lol

    • @UrbanPlumbers
      @UrbanPlumbers  Před rokem

      I take pictures of the notes and file them under the project in Evernote. I do that for all jobs Justin case I have to trouble shoot it in the future

  • @andyleggatt1846
    @andyleggatt1846 Před rokem +1

    maybe you could see if vaillant will sponsor an Arotherm addition for the property next year! ;) would have been interesting to know more about the wiring, though I appreciate the brain frying nature of boiler wiring!

  • @willmorgan6867
    @willmorgan6867 Před rokem +2

    Big respect, I'm a techie not a plumber but appreciated the erasure of stuff that wasn't adding anything valuable to the system. Goes to show that there's plenty of scope to reduce energy usage and waste. Please keep making more of these, and hope you aren't kidnapped :)

  • @mikeh6206
    @mikeh6206 Před rokem

    I'm a Viessmann guy and have often used the boiler pump to handle full radiator loads but only when the pump is operating within its curve. The DHW 3 way valve is handled internally in the boiler so there is no question of having the wrong temp going to the tank. I can understand why the LLH is in place and if the DHW was sent to the tank bypassing the LLH, you would still have the benefit of the LLH for flow control through the secondary circuits.

  • @m0dz
    @m0dz Před 9 měsíci

    Great video

  • @Accringtonman
    @Accringtonman Před rokem +1

    Maximum respect!

  • @micssticksnpipes
    @micssticksnpipes Před rokem +1

    Such great videos 👍

  • @ReferenceFidelityComponents

    Decent looking boilers those. They look similar to the range topping Ideal Vogue or System boilers inside and out. Not cheap!

  • @nedloh17
    @nedloh17 Před rokem +1

    A heating engineer Wizard !!

  • @colinfarrell6444
    @colinfarrell6444 Před rokem

    Fantastic
    A first class job

  • @kevingirdler3698
    @kevingirdler3698 Před rokem +1

    Very satisfying 👍
    Is there any sort of mixing valve on the underfloor? You mentioned 2 heating curves but without sensors and mixing stations the vr71 will run at the higher curve I believe.

  • @schrodingerscat1863
    @schrodingerscat1863 Před rokem +6

    Guarantee the original installer looked at the house and thought, they have plenty of money, then over-specified the original system massively to make it a much bigger job than actually needed. You could run the place as a hotel on that original system, 50kW, total overkill.

    • @waqasahmed939
      @waqasahmed939 Před rokem

      I've got a 29KwH boiled when realistically, I need half that. My house theoretically uses 10,000 KwH of gas a year

    • @Bertie_Ahern
      @Bertie_Ahern Před rokem

      Of course. Sad but true, it's only about money for most plumbers.

  • @jeanjacques9980
    @jeanjacques9980 Před rokem

    Fascinating video, bit mind blowing for a domestic installation, imagine a hospital!

  • @guygfm4243
    @guygfm4243 Před rokem

    Very interesting thanks for sharing

  • @stephenrichards5386
    @stephenrichards5386 Před rokem

    Love your vids

  • @SJR275
    @SJR275 Před rokem

    Amazing work as always. Wish you were up in the North East so that I could get you to fix this little bungalow haha.

  • @stephengilman6247
    @stephengilman6247 Před rokem

    Topman👍 wish you covered my area

  • @plumbertime
    @plumbertime Před rokem +2

    Very nice job. Sadly too many surveyors only look at what you already have and quote rather than asking what you need and would like to achieve and then quote. Sadly too many unskilled people don’t know how to work out what’s required so so just do a like for like swap.
    There’s plenty of big well named companies fitting systems like it’s the 90’s! And sadly customers love it because the rads get hot.

  • @GSXRRizla
    @GSXRRizla Před rokem

    I wish you were closer to Shropshire. I'd happily have you review and upgrade my system. If you have any recommendations for like minded installers, please share. Keep up the great work...

  • @MrMattlock
    @MrMattlock Před rokem +5

    You didn't explain what you had to do to that wiring centre, but my head had exploded already by then! Why do installers make things so unnecessarily complicated? It's a lovely big house, but I've worked in 50 room hotels with simpler control systems! Well done for improving things so much for the client with minimum outlay.

  • @johnradley7176
    @johnradley7176 Před rokem

    Amazing!

  • @serraios1989
    @serraios1989 Před rokem +1

    Well done for taking on the challenge!!!
    Could you not have salvaged the second water cylinder with an endoscope camera? Remove the heating element and stick the scope in. Less time and effort consuming.
    Still many thanks for the video

  • @Fractal227
    @Fractal227 Před rokem

    I need this dude to come and look at my house, if just i was not so far away xD

  • @curtisthomas8935
    @curtisthomas8935 Před rokem

    Real skill👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @DJ-uk5mm
    @DJ-uk5mm Před rokem

    Blimey this guy is a plumbing genius we’ll done

  • @magicgsuk6312
    @magicgsuk6312 Před rokem

    Magician. 👏👏

  • @dontuno
    @dontuno Před rokem

    I'm always fascinated by your videos and despite what is being said by some, your knowledge way surpasses any plumber I have ever met! I'm particularly interested to note that a 24 kw boiler can provide all the heat on a 4000 square foot property given that my 1800 ish property with 11 trv'd rads and 1 hw tank struggles on a 18kw boiler even when 4 rads are isolated and the respective room doors are closed. The only suggestion I have had from a plumber is to increase the boiler to 24 kw. BTW, double glazed and copious roof insulation.

    • @UrbanPlumbers
      @UrbanPlumbers  Před rokem

      you probably only need 10kW then. Google 'heat geek map' and hire a heat geek elite member - bigger chance to get someone who will be actually able to help you

    • @dontuno
      @dontuno Před rokem

      @@UrbanPlumbers Many thanks and I will give that a go.

  • @ItsFriscoBaby
    @ItsFriscoBaby Před rokem

    Base exchange water softeners (salt) both stop the buildup of limescale and strip the existing scale from the pipework and cylinders. It takes months or years depending on the level of existing buildup but what you had here is no surprise.

  • @AidanSkoyles
    @AidanSkoyles Před rokem

    cool; makes me appreciate simple American plumbing systems.

  • @steveeggleton876
    @steveeggleton876 Před rokem +1

    Yes a softener will slowly remove existing scale build up in any water using system or appliance

    • @UrbanPlumbers
      @UrbanPlumbers  Před rokem +3

      I heard that before, but this is the first time I was actually able to confrim it!