Alaska Airlines Flight 261 crash [Full CVR]
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00:00 - Flight details
01:35 - Frist dive
03:52 - Search for solution
11:39 - Second dive
13:30 - Probable cause - Krátké a kreslené filmy
My sister in law was a flight attendant on that flight , gut wrenching , a beautiful person , miss you Alison
@ Dean
Truly sorry ! I remember hearing the initial report working at NEC here in Portland, but originally Point Mugu was in the report
Always wondered about it
Then these past 2 or 3 years I've learned the details through various channels, but this always stuck
Grew up in Hueneme,,, left in 93
Was going to be an aircraft mechanic! Started initial classes after my last visit there in 2012
Seen a post in The growing up in Oxnard group,
Will have to see the Sundial
Whenever I return
Again Condolences and Bless Her
The pilots and the passengers
Really no words for this
Bet she never flew again,
Thats truly sad , So Sorry , hope
The authorities learned something from this tragedy.
Lee
@@mattwroe4776 are you for real?
@@mattwroe4776 really?
There's something especially chilling about the pilot saying "Ah, here we go" just prior to hitting the water. No shouting or swearing. Just a kind of resignation. It makes my blood run cold. It must have been utterly horrific for the cabin crew and passengers. Once the plane is inverted they would have to know that they were about to die. And all for the want of fifty cents worth of grease.
Yes there is something about the way he said it. I would have gone down cursing and screaming.
Do you think he saw the water inverted?
last seconds of your life are not angry, sad. Just acceptance. I was a in a car crash a few years ago and it those miliseconds I thought; this is it.
@@canobenitez I hope you are alright after the crash. And, yes, I've heard others say similar when they thought their lives were about to end. I'm hoping not to test the theory too soon🙂
@@davidhynd4435 just a broken collarbone, but it healed well. Not sure why the brain behaves like that in the last moments, it is involintary.
Among the people on board, I only knew one. What a tragedy. What horror they all must have felt. The pilots showed courage and fought to the end like the heroes they were. RIP.
God bless them it heart breaking for all of them
R. I. P. ❤💜
@@jenineramey6657 God let them die.
Only one?
may GOD bless all 🙏 🙏 🙏 amen amen amen
Still one of the saddest things I've ever heard. Those guys fought for everything and went down swinging. They deserved to live.
Absolutely.
@@mikechapmanmedia2291 Agree. All airline crashes are tragic. But this one is particularly terrifying and sad.
They never gave up and flew it all the way down
They were real heros.
Pilots disregarded EMER checklist "Land ASAP" which was PVR or MZT. Pilots were no heroes.
Those pilots are heroes! They stayed out over the ocean so as to not cause casualties on the ground. What happened to Alaska 261 is nightmare fuel. RIP to all of those who lost their lives in that tragedy.🙏🏾
Nightmare fuel.. you are cringe fuel
Huge nightmare. Much worse than what captain al haynes endured
@@marcsmilen6565 Because he died? Other than that, how do you figure? United Airlines Flight 232 lost its tail engine and all hydraulics and Haynes and crew still managed to save >half the passengers.
@@LetsGoFlyers2011 Well, I think there was only one way for them to have saved the plane. But their attempts at diagnosing/fixing the problem removed that option. They did their best, but they didn't know what the problem was. If they'd known the problem they might have lived. :/
Yeah, only thing i can think of they could have done to avoid becoming a flaming wreck, is to stop messing with the controls, and descend as slowly as they can and kill the engines when they get close to the ground.
The plane was partially controllable until they did several attempts to fix the tail, then it broke the rest of the way and the plane was completely uncontrollable. If they'd known what the problem was, well... Landing with that mechanical failure is probably impossible to do safely. So ditching in water is the best bet, and they were already over the Pacific anyways. You'd at least have the possibility of some of the people making it.
These guys did their best and at least kept it in the air, until a secondary mechanical failure sealed their fates.
@@marhawkman303an't forget that the companies engineers were telling them to do exactly what they shouldn't be doing to.
"are we flyin?... we're flyin... we're flyin" This exchange always struck me. At the core of commercial flight, with all of its layers of supporting procedures and actions, is flying. During this crisis the pilots went back to the very heart of it all: aviate. Fly the plane. Right side up, sideways, upside down, just fly it.
cringe
No one ever did it before
I’ve watched many” air disasters “ vids and read transcripts
This tragedy struck me with how the pilots in vulnerable situation were so calm and even thought to speak to the passengers and ease their nerves
Even when all avenues were gone and they knew it was over they were so collected
"are we flying?. we're flying." it did make me question how far you can fly that type of aircraft inverted. As they used that timeframe to try and turn it over
Wow, so profound. Just come out of the closet already James.
When they were flying the plane inverted, they actually felt like they had a chance. They never gave up. RIP
they fought like lions till the end...
Cruce; "never give up" too bad the pilots should have given up and followed the checklist to "Land ASAP" back into PVR.
@@flyer49er91 ??
Explain your statement. There's nothing they could do. They tried all logical options.
@@flyer49er91 Apparently you weren't paying attention. They had no control of the aircraft. If you can't control your pitch, you can't turn or land.
@@johnmagill7714 FL270 overhead, apparently you don’t understand LAND ASAP -duh
The MOST haunting airline tragedy. It wasn’t fast. These people knew for 20-30 minutes, maybe longer, the danger they were in. Diving and then recovering? The final one upside down. This one is so sad.
Agreed. I look at other disasters like PSA 182 which at least was only 20 seconds this was long drawn out torture
One of our neighbors died in this. At the estate sale afterwards there was a box of records in the garage, I bought some of the good ones including Grateful Deads American Beauty. It sounds fantastic. I hope they hear it when I play it. Another notable album they had was 'Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera.'
People who say the dead can't hear it can never prove their point of view, and people say the dead have to have heard it can't either, but the ones who say nobody knows if the dead can hear it or they might be able to hear it are the only ones who can prove anything.
Great album.
And it's just a box of rain
I don't know who put it there
Believe it if you need it
Or leave it if you dare
And it's just a box of rain
Or a ribbon for your hair
Such a long long time to be gone
And a short time to be there
They were some cool people.
Bill and Hillary Clinton, together, know 24 people who died in plane crashes. While most of the public don't know anyone. You and I are the rare few who know someone that died in a air crash. A fellow Marine died on the first day of OIF when his CH46 allegedly went into a nose dive. 4 US Marines and 12 or 16(can't remember) British Marines/Commandos died. I had to fly in a helo a bunch of times after the crash and I was terrified and never even got a chance to grieve.
What a fantastic crew. Great cooperation and outside the box thinking in the hurt locker. They gave it their all.
As a professional aviator, it's very real to imagine the destitution of this situation. They did their best. And, God rest their souls.
Desperation
Aviator? Oh, puke. Lemme guess, Navy?
@@lbowsk rude!
@@lbowsk ah, another schmuck has joined the boards. Take off Steve
Stacy as an aviator, question for tou. The end of the video says after the stabilizer broke, recovery was not possible. Howver However , they actually did recover and were flying straight for a good long while. (?) these pilots after troubleshooting for awhile thought they had a chance to land it in LA. My question to you is this.. do you know if the pilots could have gradually lost altitude and speed, continuing to travel Ina straight line out over the ocean, such that eventually they would land in the ocean and hopefully not lose so many lives ?
Those pilots are an inspiration. They battled right up until the very end. I'm in awe at their composure and clear headed decisions. If you are a passenger they are the type you want to be flying the aircraft. I've always felt they deserved more credit for what they did against an impossible situation.
Amazing composure by the pilots. They did all they could.
Pilots needed to follow the EMER checklist "Land ASAP" back in PVR when Emer occurred at 27,000 ft on climb out of PVR.
@@flyer49er91 that was not possible given the nose attitude of the airplane
@@bbqworld2103 flyer49er made a good point that the safety nut(backup to the issue) was not intended to last 3 hours and crew should've emergency landed right when they knew there was a problem.
@@bbqworld2103 why wasn't it possible?
@@bbqworld2103 Yes it was possible before the jackscrew separated. Problem is the pilots didn't know what they had. If they had, they would have landed asap or at least tried to.
Even though I'm no pilot whatsoever. Every year I would read about this accident and remember all the things the pilot try in order to recover this stricken plane. Never give up.
Every time I fly just off the coast where this happened, I cant help but think about what all these humans went through. Very sad.
Said the non-human?…
@@CarveyKeitel The ones who died were all human beings, someones family, friends.
@@CarveyKeitel What do you mean by that?
Clint questioned as if you were "non human" since that is how you described the people who lost their lives on the plane
Him just being a smart ass
@@jennSalvate I guess if he had family on that plane it wouldn't be funny.
“Yeah, we’ve got it back under control here.”
“No we don’t.”
That was gut wrenching to hear 😰
Ah the feeling of helplessness to be a passenger and not be able to do anything. As a parent I was flying in Munich with my two young sons when the pilot said we are delayed landing to fix a mechanical problem on board the airplane. We flew steady at low altitude around the airport and city for 30-45 minutes or so and then successfully landed. I just sat there holding my sons, thinking and not saying anything, so they wouldn’t be wiser for it. At that point what else can you do. I’ve flown a lot since.
I'm a former A&P mechanic, with former friends I served with in the military working on military aircraft we all mostly want into civil aviation. I haven't worked or flown in decades and never will again. Seen to many dumb asse*s working on aircraft.
You can use QUESTION MARKS (???) when asking a QUESTION.
@@mr.blackhawk142 Is that the most intelligent response you can come up with?
I was on south west airlines flying from Phoenix Arizona to San Francisco and our plan was broken but I didn’t know and tollway got transferred to another plane🙏🙏🙏 I made it home safely thank God
That last shot right before hitting the water upside down gave me chills.
Its was computer simulated. Real footage would have been more terrifying. God love them 😪
You think there’s actual footage of inside the cab that will be released ? Don’t airlines have “dashcams” or something similar inside the cockpit??
@@robertgray5293 there might be but they wont ever release it. More likely in the modern era, if one happens, with modern technology
@@garrychalmers67what about the recording. They had a transcript of what they said but what about the recording of their voice. I’d like to hear that
"Ah here we go" gut wrenching man . Rip all those who lost their lives.
If I had been a passenger on this plane. I would have been dead from a heart attack before the plane hit the water.
Despite the issues at hand the pilots did communicate with the passengers to alleviate their concerns
They were WW2 types
@@paulbartels6585 they don't build em like this anymore
Oh me too
I almost died from a heart attack just watching the video
Note to self, any unscheduled announcements are time to get concerned. Just watch the employees.
I've always had such respect for pilots. Even my earliest memories of flying as a child. It amazes me how our lives depend on the knowledge, experience, and calmness pilots always seem to maintain, but these 2....omgoodness. This brought tears to my eyes and now I can't seem to stop. The bravery these 2 men had with their composure up until it was over....is just mind BOGGLING to me. Bless the crew and every single soul on that flight. 🙏
Not to distract from this sad, yet heroic story
I’ve watched the old vids of early flight and those that designed the early contraptions.Nobody had bigger stones than those Cats who test piloted those efforts. If you were lucky it wouldn’t get off the ground, but some managed to fly high enough only to break up…..
RIP
I can't imagine what those passengers went through as the pilots tried everything they could think of to get control of that plane. Rip. ❤️
And crew. RIP. 🙏🏻
@@LaurenMKerr yes. And crew. 💔. And the families and loved ones of the victims 😭.
I used to take that flight to visit my sister and niece (as did they and otger family members). I remember when it happened being very disturbed by that, and switching over to Southwest. I'm assuming (hoping) Alaska made changes, but I don't use them anyway.
So terrible all the way around.
I can’t imagine suddenly pitching down then inverted, then dead within a few short seconds, while still conscious through to the end.
I can’t even begin to imagine flying upside down and then in a nose dive. Everyone must have been crying and holding onto each other…so sad to try and comprehend. Prayers to all. Peace!
My daughter is a FA. She said the cabin would depressurize and the
would be passed out when it flipped.
Not true - they were at a low enough altitude and descended rapidly enough that they wouldn’t be passed out even if the cabin did depressurize. Unfortunately because it would have been much less traumatic for the passengers if they were unconscious.
@@indigomoon777 They were too low at the time of inversion for oxygen to be a problem.
Unless they'd been knocked out by force, everyone on board was conscious at the time of impact.
It would be more comforting knowing they died sleeping peacefully, but that isn't the reality.
No fear those Pilots were not afraid of a fight that they didn't pick. I know Their family and colleagues are so proud.
Yeah man, they took it like men. All their relatives and friends know when the chips were down, they didn’t show fear, and battled to the end for their passengers. Sadly it was not to be, but they took the end like men.
I'm glad there was no audio at the end. Those pilots did everything they could. It's a terrible tragedy for everyone on that flight... and complete malpractice on the part of the airline.
"...complete malpractice on the part of the airline."
That's limited liability for you.
That's why every US Airliner is insured for 1 Billion $
There were alot of aircraft accidents prior to 2011. It is absolutely remarkable that there has been only one fatality in US commercial aviation since then. In a way, every accident in the past, though unfortunate for the victims, paved the way for the safety we have today.
Especially in the 1970's and early 1980's.
There were a lot of "no-frills" airlines around back then; with thin profit margins, corner-cutting was going to be inevitable (Air Florida in 1982, and ValuJet in 1996 as examples).
@@davidharrison7014 Yes. The 60's and 70's were the deadliest decades, followed by the 80's and 90's in terms of accidents frequency. So far, this decade we had around 4 accidents only, in the past decade there have been around *32* accidents. During the 00's *60* accidents. During the 90's, *93* accidents, during the 80's *94* accidents. During the 70's *110* accidents. During the 60's *105* accidents. During the 50's *35* accidents... *10* during the 40's, *3* during the 30's and *1* during the 20's.
From the 60's to this day most accidents had commercial airplanes involved.
When it comes to accidents with more than 200 victims The past decade had *4,* the '00 decade had *6,* the '90's had *11,* the 80's had *8,* the 70's *5,* (including the Tenerife disaster that killed around 585 people) and the rest of the decades had 0 disasters with more than 200 victims, although there have been accidents with more than 100 victims in most decades.
I took the information from Wikipedia and counted by hand the accidents, 🤣😔
Sorry for my poor grammar, my english is very primitive since it's not my first language!
@@davidharrison7014 but still deadly flights were so rare let alone commercial ones. There were so many musicians back in the day, led zeppelin, queen, rolling stones and so on and they flew around the world in their private less safe planes and nothing ever happened. Freddie died of a disease after all his flying instead of a plane crash
Naw, but the US was in charge of the 737 Max accidents that happen in '18
@@MoonMoon-fx1op The US was in charge? What does that even mean?
I can’t imagine how terrifying it would be to crash and die in the ocean in a plane. The only thing worse would be to see it coming, being insanely in fear, out of control and upside down - uncomfortable as can be while you watch your death coming towards you
Unbelievable how the pilots stayed in control n tried everything they could.
I remember this accident and I can't even watch this. All I can think about is the horror that the passengers and crew must have felt.
RIP to those who perished.
Not too much unlike AA191 from 5\25\1979. Shortcuts and sub-standard maintenance. This plane was brought down for lack of a few man-hours and a lousy $25.00 worth of grease.
@@spaceace1006 Also pilots who disregarded EMER checklist "Land ASAP" which was PVR or MZT
@@spaceace1006 it seems , that it’s more often than not , a cheap part that fails , due the investors trying to save the stupid extra $2 🤦♀️
Amen
@@spaceace1006 That's correct, I remember when the NTSB posted their findings of the crash. So sad.....
When this crashed occurred, I knew Officer Tansky’s wife. I would see her at the ice rink skating around and we engaged in chit chat. I found out about the crash through other skaters at the rink. Months later, I saw Mrs. Tansky at the rink, I didn’t know what to say to her. She was in a daze, somber with a glazed look in her eyes. She was never the same after the accident
God bless her
@@greg1mcintosh844 he didn't bless her. He let her husband and dozens of others die, forever separated from their loved ones.
My parents were in Mexico for two weeks then. They decided on two more days at the resort and missed that doomed flight. That would have been a sign for me to stay grounded
Wow, I don’t know if I could have flown back. I might have put up with a long bus ride to the border and then reassessed after that.
My two children, my mother and I were in Orlando in 1988 or 89, I think, when an airline coming back from Hawaii lost a chunk of the side of it, along with 2-4 passengers I believe. They continued the flight back to the US mainland with that area exposed to the outside; I can’t imagine what it must’ve been like. I wanted to rent a car and drive back to Boston, but I did fly back.
I was stationed in port huneme at port operations, I remember the recovery effort vividly. God bless those pilots crew and passengers on flight 261.
I remember this one , I lived in Newbury Park and watched the helicopters fly back and forth for days doing recovery . Heartbreaking
I was in thousand oaks. It was one of those moments upon hearing what had just happened. left you feeling numb and speechless. I remember feeling so bad for everyone on board. Such a terrible way to go.
can u tell us how gory the scene was asking for a friend
A lot of people will watch this and say; "I will never get on a plane!", but speaking as a former cop, I can tell you that no matter if you travel, drive truck, or never leave your home, THE most important thing is to be ready, in your soul, for every moment. For these souls, it was some guy they never met, neglecting to perform the correct lubrication maintenance on a screw in the back of a plane. For you, it could be walking down the street and a car's wheel falls off, or the driver has a heart attack or seizure...sending the car at you. I've seen people sitting on a pontoon get hit in the head by a jumping sturgeon fish and get killed. Or a million other kinds of scenarios. For all of us, our time comes, and very rarely can we plan for, or control when it occurs. Get to know God. Not on your terms or the offended, talking heads around you. On His terms...because that is all that will matter in that moment and from then on. It is what it is.
Well said and total truth
Amen
Amen
Amen!!!
I'm down with random selection. Keep yer wig tight!
Those were damn brave men.. if you, the family, are reading this.. we are so proud of them and the way they faced this. Crew and family we love you and continue to mourn your loss.
I was on an Alaska MD-80 the week this happened and it was grounded in either Anchorage Alaska or Seattle (I forget now). We ended up on another plane, but later found out our original plane had the same malfunction as the crashed plane. It very easily could have happened to us as well.
😲 Wow.
Yeah it was kind of crazy, especially since at the time I was young. But you never know what can happen in life, try to live well and care for people. I don’t think being kind and giving another a smile will ever make you feel bad, but being an ass will not help yourself or others. You never know when your time is up. Peace and Love
i hope the people who chose not to service those planes are behind bars
@@Halfwit_The_Brave Hmmm, I believe alaska retired those planes years ago.
Title should be "Full CVR transcript". I hate misleading titles.
I cannot even imagine what was happening in the cabin, and the tremendous fear, when they started to dive and then flew inverted…. Those pilots are heros!
It was a terrible thing to happen, but the pilots would only be heroes if they saved everyone........ They were brave, not heroes.
@@thejohnson9204 well, I guess we will just need to respectfully have to agree to disagree. I think they are hero’s. I agree brave, too!
@@thejohnson9204 Wrong. You can fight heroically and still lose the fight. Heroism is not about survival or triumph, but about courage in the face of adverse or, in this case, utterly impossible circumstances. You may want to revisit the definition of the term before spreading more nonsense.
@@JorgeMendez-kn5ql I don't need to revisit. You mention "courage"... Is that not the same as bravery??? People throw around the word "hero" for stupid shit all the time. Tell me, why are they heroes simply because they did not sound panicked? The were brave because they kept their heads in a high pressure situation. The pilot that put the plane down in the Hudson without any deaths.... Hero & brave. These guys, brave, not heroes. So if everyone lives, they are heroes, but if everyone dies,,, still heroes?? Go away fool.
@@thejohnson9204 Would you say the same to soldiers? These guys kept their cool the entire time and tried to keep it in the air.
Thanks for fighting till the end for your passengers and crew! 🙏
My neighbor had just purchased a new camera and she had took it out to the beach in front of my house to take some pics , she inadvertently took a picture of the plane upside down and diving at about 45 degrees just a second before impact ! She did not realize what she had taken until the pictures were developed. She showed it to me and realizing what she had I told her to contact the FAA and she did , they came right away they were shocked , as did everyone who saw the last moment of the lives of these people. We all knew there was a plane crash but could not imagine that upside down death ride captured by her camera showed the Horror of it everyone dying a fraction of a second later . The area where it came down was being fished for Squid that night with many boats using shining powerful lights to coax the squid to the surface that night they stopped catching Squid and they picked up wreckage of the plane and many, many parts of people. Many of these fishermen were traumatized from picking up all of the human body parts . I live on the beach where it came down in front of and every time I look towards Anacapa island I think about those poor souls ! Point Mugu NAS was just 5 to 8 miles away and they could have landed there if they were able to get some control of the Plane .
It was 30 miles off shore
As a former Aircraft Avionics Systems maintainer, with the USAF, I've been up in theC-141B's "T-Tail" many, many times. Our systems had electronic gear and coaxial cables there, I've leaned back into the "Jack Screw" many times - needless to say, I came away with some heavy-duty grease on my clothes.
One thing for certain: Those USAF C-141B's Jack screws got lubricated during their inspection cycles. Yes, it was hard to climb up the narrow ladders to get to that area, but it HAD to be done. This Jack Screw assembly did NOT get Lube'd. It was "signed off" as being accomplished, however. The person who signed those items off should be in JAIL as we speak. Don't know if they ever were brought to justice.
It only takes one person's lack of integrity or ethical behavior to affect the lives of many. This is why a person's character is so important. You have to have a system of checks and balances because you can't trust anyone.
@@shannoninalaskaYes, you are right - that's why some aircraft procedures require a "second set of eyes" to ensure that it was done, and done correctly. (The 2nd set of eyes has to SIGN the paperwork that it was completed correctly)
That Jack Screw carded item, for lubing, should have, IMHO, been shown as a grounding item UNTIL a supervisor looked at the lubing. But I've witnessed supervisors sign off jobs, like that, WITHOUT actually going and looking themselves.
A "Hundred years ago," I was called, AT HOME, to inspect jobs that required a "2nd look." Got dressed - headed for the flight line - pulled a maintenance stand to the cowling - looked - checked all, even the safety wiring - then "Signed it off." Yes, it was "Oh-dark-thirty, but that was my responsibility to the crew and pax. Tough job, sometimes.
@@mmichaeldonavon that is where the integrity comes in to play. 👏 😉
@@mmichaeldonavon I try to live my life by the mantra to always do what's right even when no one is looking.
@@shannoninalaska someone is always looking.... May not be in human or computer form... But "someone" is ALWAYS looking.😔
They did everything humanly possible. I can't even imagine the horror the passengers endured. There were a few kids and babies on that flight. Heart wrenching.
I was in Puerto Vallarta and was booked on flight 261 that went down in the pacific. On the way to the airport I decided I wanted to stay longer and everyone in my party agreed. Myself and five other people were saved from being on flight 261. This event was incredibly sad for all those that passed away my heart goes out to the families; I knew many of the people booked on flight 261, we had been on a snorkeling trip the day prior.
Watching this so many years later brought back the reality that I was booked on this flight - had I not changed my mind I would not be here today - thank you Jesus!
I wanted to mention that we flew into Puerto Vallarta with the same plane that crashed - when we started to descend there was a loud bang that didn’t seem right-
Wow, thats craxy
How do you know you were on that exact plane previously?
“On the way to the airport I decided I wanted to stay longer”
😂😂😂😂😂
Why pawn for attention at the expense of others dying by coming up with make believe nonsense? “I saved 5 people because I wanted to stay longer whilst all packed up and on the way to the airport” - what a load of absolute sh*t
Pilots are heroes. Professionalism. Cold blood, no pressure. My respects to them and all passengers. RIP.
The maker's of the movie "Flight" used the outline of this crash in their movie. Whilst the circumstances & certainly the outcome of the crash are very different in the film, it really incensed me that they did that, too me it seemed disrespectful of the filmmaker to do so. The data box showed the Pilot's continued to fly & fought that damn plane until the moment it hit the water 😞 There should be a statue of these two brave Men/Pilot's somewhere on the beach's of LA, wherever the closest point on land is to where the aircraft impacted the ocean, that's where it should be ✝️ 🙏
I agree with you 100%
They never gave up and fought it all the way down
Not the beach of los angles in happened in the port hueneme area near anacapa island
@@myrasegura2121 Ok, put the statue there 🤷🏻♂️
good to see maintenance doing their jobs. "well, if u wanna try it, im cool with that, but if not than thats fine too". Must've been on their coffee breaks...
The corporate executive officer was too cheap to pay the mechanics to maintain the jacking screw, so he laid them off. Money was considered instead of right versus wrong.
@@MrJuvefrank That’s disgusting
@@islanders1329fan A lot of times the truth is disgusting.
@@MrJuvefrank No I mean that CEO being too cheap to pay the mechanics to fix the issues of the jackscrew that could’ve helped protect innocent lives from a needless untimely death like this is disgusting as fuck. These people along with the maintenance workers that falsified doing their mechanics job responsibilities that ended up giving the pilots the impression that horizontal stabilizer being jammed was a minor issue they could afford to troubleshoot while flying the plane in the sky that ended up costing them and the flight attendants and passengers lives for nothing, should’ve been in prison for this. Not get a fucking slap on the wrist 😡😡😡😡😡😥😢😥😢😢😡😡😡😡😡😡😥😢😥😢
Tech support at it's best
Absolutely terrifying. God bless them all. Those pilots did their very best.
All because of a few cheap nuts and bolts rip.
What this video has always impressed upon me is that if a dire situation presents itself it is not always the best idea to correct that situation if it can be nursed along while you get to safety. Sometimes when we correct a problem "to make it go back to normal" we don't realize that normal is no longer achievable and that the "dire situation or characteristics" of the current problem are all that are preventing certain catastrophe. Easy hindsight of course, but this video has taught me this important lesson.
What courage and composer by those pilots. They never gave up. This has affected me deeply. God bless all who lost their lives on this flight.
they never gave up but actually nobody would, not one human would give up in that situation, we're all hard wired to survive and when adrenaline quicks it takes over, and you're the best you can be for the next half hour. That does mean you shouldn't feel deeply for the poor pilots even cry, you're doing the right thing, but just know you'd be trying as hard as them.
@@ericastier1646 No... I have a friend, paralyzed in a car wreck who would disagree. The driver threw up her hands and begged Jesus to take the wheel. It seems he did not. :-(
@@stevecooper2873 I feel deeply for your friend no matter the cause. May he be guided by some form of realization and hope in his life.
That said, that was not initially a life and death situation like i was referring to. It's a stupid act that lead to dreadful consequence. People walk into 1 foot deep water stream at the top of Yosemite waterfall thinking that 1 foot of water is safe. Next thing they're swept of their feet by the force of the current and make a 250 meter plunge down the mountain to their death. That is stupidity. Not to compare with survival situation with adrenaline kicking in.
@@ericastier1646 We should agree to disagree. Granted, the driver was NOT in any way a trained professional, nor had she ever practiced skid recovery to my knowledge. Some people get overwhelmed easily [think safe spaces] and just lock up.
@@stevecooper2873 No you don't get it at all. What you describe does not belong to the group of situations where someone is in mortal danger over a long time span of part of an hour or several hours. Only in those situations will the body reaction producing massive amount of adrenaline over 30 sec that will remain in the bloodstream for hours. THis has nothing to do with the type of stupid instant mistakes that lead to catastrophies like instanteneously car accidents. Someone that lost control of a car only has instant reflexes and wit, the body does not have the time to transform to superpowers and super lucidity. This is biological. Don't mix apple and oranges.
This was the damn scariest aircraft accident I have yet to hear about. The fact this was man created error and sheer failure of proper maintenance is what makes it terrifying something similar could too easily occur again in the name of profit. I still fly for travel, but stories like this stick in my mind when doing so. God bless this pilot for saving lives by working the problem over the ocean and sticking with it to the end.
PBOTTOM POOCHIES ??? WTF ?
Pilots disregarded EMER checklist to "land ASAP" which was a 10 minute flight back to PVR.
@@flyer49er91 🥱
Do remember that you have a far greater chance of dying in a car crash
There are no guarantees
My boyfriend was near the beach when it happened pieces of the plane got to shore in port hueneme. I heard that body parts also made their way to the shore by the waves. It’s a tragedy. he only witnessed pieces of the plane.
The pilots had a harness to keep them in their seats when the plane inverted. The passengers had lap belts. Everything in the upper compartments came out and landed on the passengers. It would have been a terrifying last minute of their lives. People screaming and crying all around you and some vomiting. It's so sad that anyone had to go through this just because a screw broke off and some lubrication problem. It's disgusting that people's lives meant nothing to the Airline. Proper maintenance and better mechanics to see the problem and fix it. So many big companies like cutting cost at the expense of people's wonderful lives. RIP to all on board and prayers for their loved ones. the video was well done.
" It's disgusting that people's lives meant nothing to the Airline."
It's called limited liability.
It took 90 seconds to hit the Pacific, the cockpit recording will never be released to the public.
@@markh3279 I think that’s the respectful thing to do. 😔🕊
I say fortunately here in the relative sense, but the downward g-forces would have kept people pressed into their seats while the plane was inverted, so atleast it wasn't a human boggle box.
@@oskartheme5233 Actually I went through the whole process and I can say AA, NTSB, and FAA did everything humanly possible for us. It was a tragedy that occurred because of procedural over sights, everyone seemed to be doing their jobs properly. Things happen.
Even in the end, the pilot just said simply, "ah....here we go" when they hit. I don't know how they stayed so calm headed. But they did. And they did everything they could think of until it was in the water. May God bless all those souls.
The horror the passengers must have felt being upsidedown.
Yeah that’s what I think about too. A total nightmare scenario. God rest their poor souls.
The g forces must have been terrifying just sick.
And knowing they were getting ready to die.
My now wife was supposed to be on this flight wit her mom but they had to cancel at the last minute. Rip to all those lost and thank you lord for keeping my wife off that plane
I met one of the FAA investigators of that crash. He said the pilots were the bravest most professional pilots he'd ever investigated for a crash. Nerves of steel the whole time. I recall him saying that in extreme cases (which this was) that pilots just lose it emotionally. Apparently not in this case. He said the black box recordings he listened to were incredible given the situation. You would have never known they were flying inverted by the calmness of their communication.
kamaboko1- I’m no pilot, but, in that situation, the pilots had to remain calm( as much as they could ) to handle the situation as much as they could to the very end! WOW!😮😮😮
Pilots disregarded EMER checklist on climb out to "Land ASAP" which was back in PVR. A Professional pilot does not continue to fly a 4 hour international flight with a Jammed Stabilizer.
@@flyer49er91 why do u think they would disregarded - climb out to land , ASAP ?
This sounds like a lie.
@@flyer49er91 WRONG WRONG WRONG They were supposed to land SFO, diverted to LAX even though the company wanted them to go SFO to not mess up the goddamn schedule lol. They were just trying to keep the plane in the air at first and they were almost to LAX. So they DID divert you.
As an aircraft mechanic for over 35yrs, I'm surprised that Alaska is still operating. There is absolutely no excuse for the poor maintenance of that or any other aircraft.
Cynthia Oti, host of a nightly personal finance show on KSFO (560 AM) died in this crash. I used to listen to her show, she was very knowledgeable and passionate about helping people. RIP
As a retired Alaska Airlines employee, I will always remember flight 261.
Did you happen to know these pots personally at all, if you did I’m so sorry for your loss of colleagues
What about John Liotine ??
Shitty airline murdered those people
We're flying the airplane upside down before it crashed at high velocity says a lot about the crew.
The plane wouldn't fly right side up, so they had no choice but to fly it upside down. My great grandma's last name was Foote. Maybe we're related somewhere up the line and don't know it.
@@MrJuvefrank I think it was the elevator. Wouldn't function properly. Pretty ridiculous. Probably a result of someone cutting corners would be my guess. Alaska Airlines. I always like it when they give the name of the guilty party in those situations. I'll never fly Alaska Airlines. They prided themselves on being cheap. It compromises safety. Can you even imagine? I can't. I'd try to find the person responsible. Not the engineer. The CEO who gave the green light on it it pisses me off. I'm pissed off about it. People die and it's like 'oh tough break with that flight I guess'. .
@@christopherfoote4643 Yeah, it's a shame that this crew perished. Balls of steel, ingenuity, a never give up attitude, and great airmanship. But none of that mattered, all because standard big business corner cutting bullshit. With a little more time, I think it was said they actually could have saved some of the passengers to a degree, but it was too late.
And yeah, it was Alaska themselves that was 100% at fault. They had a systematic issue with using components past their replacement date, not actually lubricating their parts, using tools that didn't meet manufacturer requirements, having far fewer maintenance cycles than required, as well as under-inspecting planes during maintenance. And having supervisors invent maintenance records for things that weren't even performed.
I'm only partly familiar to the circumstances surrounding the flight plan. I know extraordinarily little about aviation. I did attend university where I majored in aeronautical engineering. I have some idea about aerodynamics. I know nothing about safety measures. I've decided one accident regardless if the cause is one too many. I know people die every day. I've had a few close calls, myself. It would seem safety was compromised. I know sometimes nothing can be done. It's always easier to point the finger. I just think it's a tragedy if the truth is it was preventable. Certainly what the crew did was remarkable. I wouldn't have known what to do in that circumstance. Their actions were heroic. Sometimes we learn too late it seems things are should have known long before. It's a tragedy. Assuming I had any authority I would have suspended Alaskan Airlines I definitely. Standards were compromised. That's inexcusable.
@@christopherfoote4643 It's one I used to read about a lot because I found it so frustrating. And, I completely agree. It's happened several times in the past with other carriers as well, notably American 191.
Literally ripping the engines off the pylons when performing maintenance to save time and money, eventually a pylon fails and brings the plane down in a ball of fire. They found out Continental and I believe United were doing the same thing, too.
to think that it wasn't the pilots fault, it plainly stated that failure to lubricate an aircraft component caused the crash & subsequent loss
of life. a little bit of attention to detail would have saved alot of lives. definitely a tragedy that could have been avoided.
When your enemy is gravity it only takes a small mistake to evolve into a tragedy
Though horrible and dramatic, air travel is safer that driving
If I go with somebody to do a robbery and my partner kills someone, I get charged with murder or at least manslaughter. These airline supervisors, managers and CEO's who knowingly cut corners and costs to save money should be charged with something. It's the only way things are going to get better.
It won't happen. As long as they keep paying out money, they will continue to be immune to prosecution
They tried until the very end. This is one of the few black box translations that has really made me emotional. Completely gut wrenching.
I can’t imagine being in such a quandary and remaining as composed as these two pilots did. Such courage in the face of such a fearsome event. Everyone on board had to have known they faced certain death. How terribly frightening. May they all be with our Lord.
I think pilots and many other people that do dangerous jobs are trained to stay calm in a situation. That's because if you freak out you're not going to be able to think to find a solution to the problem so you have to stay calm and find a solution if you can.
@@2MyHills p
The Lord let them die horrible deaths.
When the captain said, can you give me a block between 20 and 25 that means he wanted the air space above and below him 25,000 feet above and are 20,000 feet above and 25,000 feet below is clear and that’s why he was also over the ocean Because the captain knew there was nothing he can do there’s no way he land his plane and he knew when he said you know, give me the block between 2025 and wanted to run the freak. He knew that that was gonna happen and he did not want it I mean what can you do Then that’s when he said all here we go hit the water like 400 miles an hour folks this is horrific because they didn’t grease the jackscrew and it was supposed to be replaced and they falsify the records. They found a piece at the bottom of the ocean and it was completely just stripped like a screw that didn’t have any of the grooves in it all the way to the top you could see the peeled metal like a like a string. It was just stripped horrific . My heart goes out to all the beautiful souls that we lost the lives. They didn’t get to live the family didn’t get to see INC for all the families and friends affected by this. My heart goes out to you so much God bless.
I know a Pastor who was onboard that flight and I’m sure she was very vocal
What got me was when the pilot mentioned his adrenaline was up. To me that is when he realized the plane was going to crash, even though he was not going to quit trying.
My heart aches watching this. My wife flys for Alaska, it could of been any carrier flying the Boeing. We fly frequently, the crew check double check triple check, if delayed due to a mechanical, better on the ground then in the air, so be patient and thankful they caught it before take off.
Enjoy every moment every day, we’re all inching to our final destination
MD80 = Boeing?
True tragedy...they fought to the end. RIP
One of the accidents used by the movie Crash starring Denzel Washington. "Are we flying? ... We're flying ... We're flying."
That movie was called-"Flight"
I had family on that flight. Love and miss ya DP.
Condolences , sorry for your loss
so sad. life doesn't know. I'm gonna stop worrying so much. the little things don't matter. go bless them all
I can somewhat imagine that there must’ve been total panic in the cabin of the plane( with it flying upside down) OH MY GOODNESS!😮😮😮
RIP to the elementary school children on this flight. One of my early memories is of going to the memorial your nearby elementary school held for you after the crash.
You were so unfortunate, and could have been any of us who flew on Alaska Airlines MD80s before this crash. Alaska Airlines killed you in one of the most terrifying, painful, and prolonged ways a person can die out of sheer penny-pinching and corruption. You made flying safer for the rest of us, and Alaska Airlines has, to their credit, developed an obsession with safety throughout the last 20 years, but you needn’t have died at all and it makes me so sad to think you would be my age now for $8 worth of grease.
🙏🏽
Precious little ones - most if not all from Seattle. This crash as a horror story.
Alaska airlines over their 70 years has had an excellent safety record. This was a total failure.
There was no “penny pinching” or “corruption”. It was an elevator jackscrew improperly greased.
@@ToddDunning With respect, while the report cites lack of grease on the Jack screw as the primary factor, it’s the reason WHY there was a lack of grease. It was the extension of the maintenance interval on that component. I believe the schedule called for it to be replaced every 600 flight hours (if memory serves, this would be a B check) and they were extending that to 2400 flight hours (a C check). Now, the FAA gets some responsibility because they approved the extension of the interval. It should have been replaced during the last C check, the next one would have been - I believe - a couple of months after the crash. And, finally, MD didn’t build redundancy into that system to prevent exactly what happened. Another indictment of the FAA (painful, my father was rather high up in the agency when he retired in the early 90’s). Anyway…it’s why I’ll never fly Alaska.
So sad. I’m crying right now actually. Imagine being on that plane, knowing it’s over, knowing that your life is gonna end and there’s nothing you can do about it. That’s so scary, the pilots tried everything, the even tried to get the plane back under control during the inverted dive, but it was too late. May they all rest in peace❤
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm NO! I will do whatever the fuck I want.
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm 🤣Have fun. But just remember, you’re the one who started this mess by being rude and commenting a passive aggressive reply. And me, being the spunky teen I am who isn’t gonna put up with that BS, responded to tell you to shut up and leave me alone. Like if you’re gonna be rude, DON’T COMMENT!!! That way, messes and brawls like this don’t happen!
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm Lol you even deleted your own comment 🤣
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm There are a lot of worse words out there pal. Also, thank you for calling me nasty, your too kind 🥰
But again, this wouldn’t have happened if you didn’t leave a comment like that. Because honestly, telling someone to stop crying is sorta rude.
Man this makes it seem like you’re there. I have flown on these particular planes for years. American Airlines finally retired them a few years ago. The sound of the air traffic controllers when they knew that they hit water, that’s raw emotion right there.
Yeah, they (ATC) knew pretty early on that this was going wrong - you could hear it in the voice - and the pilots too, though the pilots pushed through it to focus on trying to save the situation. Jeez. Actually is making me cry.
@@angelinasouren yeah I was shaken up listening to this. It bothered me for a few days. I just gave up a job where I was traveling every week. I just couldn’t do it anymore.
@@2steaksandwiches665 So sorry. Do or did you have anxiety or fear of flying? Traveling all the time can be really exhausting by itself, though.
(I loved flying; it was all the security hocus pocus that took the fun out of it for me, the being greeted with machine guns and the taking off your shoes etc. Though I still like the flying itself.)
@@angelinasouren Yep! The Delta Pilot and the America West pilot, all watching their colleagues plummet to their deaths. I had a brush with death on an MD-83 flying out of Detroit. My Aunt and myself were at a family reunion in Pontiac Michigan and we both had to fly back to Cali for work. We were ticketed on a Continental flight, which was overbooked. We both volunteered to get off and catch a later flight and we each pocketed 1,500.00 in flight vouchers. Then an opening came on from Northwest 255 an MD 83. My Aunt gave up her ticket vouchers and got on the plane. I stayed and kept my flight vouchers.
The GOD DAMN flight crashed on takeoff killing everyone on board sans a precious little girl Cecilia and killing another group of people in a vehicle that was hit
@@catadjusterZ What a story. Such a mess of conflicting emotions that must have caused. Yesterday, I read about a guy from the UK visiting cousins in Amsterdam, the cousins insisting on driving him to a (distant) bus station instead of calling him a cab, and leaving a few minutes before a Boeing crashed into the home...
I was one of many lawyers who worked on the aftermath of this crash. I was just working on settling up all of the huge insurance issues but it was sure a sad event.
Not that it alleviates the pain of losing loved ones, or that it makes a difference to the passengers, but how much did the families receive?
How could something that important not have a manual override fail safe.... that's insane
Regardless of if there was a manual control or not, the physical mechanism that controlled the pitch of the tail had its outside thread completely stripped. From that point onward, there was no control of it at all, regardless of if it was done manually or not. It is insane that it was not more closely inspected or maintained and that this design had such a crucial single point of failure.
It was catastrophic failure of a primary control system due to lack of maintenance, manual override is immaterial.
@@Airbag1010674”Lack of maintenance” is giving MD a lot more credit than they deserve. The jackscrew assembly was a single point of failure for an essential control system, and they knew that for years before the accident. While shoddy maintenance is absolutely a significant contributing factor, we shouldn’t let MD off the hook for this shortsighted design.
Those people were completely upside down for that LONG time, following minutes of panicked terror from previous frightening movements already…what a horrible death.
At least they died on impact. I can't imagine how terrified they all were before impact. May they all rest in God's arms ♥️
@@mamacat63 God let them die like that...
Imagine being a passenger looking out the window upside down knowing you're heading for the cold deep Pacific ocean
For the collision speed, they don't even feel the water temperature.
Hoping the whales are friendly
what happens to people when the plane hits the water at that speed ?
@@triumphmanful it ain’t pretty
“At least upside down we’re flying” the last bit of hope the pilots tried to hold onto 🥺
That was heartrenching to listen to, those pilots kept their cool thinking they could make it to LAX, they died heros, R.I.P. to all who died
A bit misleading to say that this includes the CVR. It's not the audio. But still really interesting (and sad) to see the animation with the transcript, even if I already knew the transcript contents and had seen the Mayday episode.
Were the people in charge of maintenance prosecuted?
I just wrote the same thing to a relative. If an accident caused by a maintenance issue/error is revealed in the aftermath FAA investigation, hopefully, the responsible airline mechanic is held responsible. Errors causing deaths should have repercussions.
@@kaze_cat There never held responsible! I bet if there charged criminally they would take there jobs more serious. They just come to work for a check unfortunately
This is terrible but let's not 4get that there was a maintenance supervisor responsible for this. That piece of shit is still free.
How horrifying, of course to the crew and passengers but the other pilots having to witness it that were around and acknowledging it on the radio. All of that because they wanted to "cut corners" so very sad.
Cut corners? What corners were they trying to cut?
@@michaelbruvolt4221 Alaskan Airlines was investigated and it was found that this crash was due to inadequate greasing of the horizontal stabilizer trim system jackscrew nut threads. Alaskan airlines falsified their maintenance records and they were "cutting corners" maintenance wise. The airline increased the intervals at which maintenance checks were performed, and had it been done correctly, they could have prevented this. BUT don't know if that is verified or denied information. I don't work for the NTSB, and I don't work for any airlines. I'm just a curious person with a deep interest in flying, good or bad
@@johnpeggybeckett1732 ah, well that makes sense.
It was ambiguous who you were blaming in your initial comment. I thought you were referring to the pilots cutting corners as the pilots were the focus of the video.
@@michaelbruvolt4221 I can see how that statement would come across. BUT I have nothing but total respect for all Captains and FO's no matter what. They all deserve so much more credit than what they get. I ALWAYS thank them if I have the rare chance to see them after a flight.
My mother was in HR for Alaska Airlines at the time, she had to fly down to CA to engage disaster protocols. She was absolutely shattered by this and still doesn't talk about it to this day. RIP 261
To all pilots. When there is any serious problem, head directly to the nearest airport and land. Do not call maintenance or try to diagnose, JUST LAND IMMEDIATELY.
Pilots have protocols for a reason, and diagnosing an issue/calling maintenance are essential steps for ensuring a safe landing. These pilots had a defect in an essential control system, attempting to troubleshoot the problem before landing was prudent. Failing to do so could have lead to significant collateral damage on the ground. Further, these kinds of true control system failures are exceptionally rare, commercial aviation design is supposed to prohibit single points of failure like that jackscrew assembly from possibly disrupting a flight like this.
Hero pilots RIP
I can’t imagine how terrifying that flight had to have been. I just hope that they didn’t feel pain when they hit the water.
They didn’t. Everyone died instantly
@@tylerbump2796 the thing that bothers me isn’t the possibility of pain upon death, it’s the agonizing minutes leading up to it. The sheer terror these people must have felt is beyond words. Strapped into a seat, in a plane you KNOW is going to hit the ground at some point, and there’s nothing you can do except wait for it. Fucking awful.
@@johnd9357 stuff like this is why I drink before flights.
NO pain. Instant death.
@@eriktruchinskas3747 Same. I drink, contemplate my life, take stock in everything. I hate flying because it's a near death experience, even when it isnt.
The window seat POV at the end of this clip is really well done. What agony the last couple of minutes must have been for the passengers who knew "this is it."
Man. I just flew in Alaska a few weeks ago & I don’t recall ever hearing about this. How terribly sad.
Yea they don't exactly greet you with "remember that thing that happened to that mad dog? where everyone died? thank you for choosing alaska."
That was terrifying. And all I’m doing is watching a video. I can’t imagine what they went through.
If I were a pilot . I’d cancell the flight just at the mere notion that my chair didn’t feel right . 🧐 🤣
This is truly horrible and to see what the people on board experienced…..it makes me sick to my stomach. My deepest sympathy for each person who lost a part of their family/friends on that day. Heart wrenching
This crash is so heartbreaking, just because the required maintenance was not performed. I call it mass murder.
Cannot imagine what it was like on that flight or the families that have to live with the tragedy!!!! Prayers for all affected....
I will remember that day forever. Being that I live in Oxnard I could see and hear the helicopters flying towards the crash site and lots of them I told my wife something big I going on then turned on the TV oh my God. The next day took my sailboat out there the smell of jet fuel and seeing a floating cargo net
This was 100% the fault of Alaska Airlines and corporate greed to keep planes in service that needed repairs. A whistler blower that was a Alaska Airlines maintenance manager reported them to the authorities that the airline was not doing the proper maintenance work to their fleet to keep them in the air to keep making money. The whistler blower had documentation he took with him when he was put on leave that showed that he ordered a replacement jackscrew assembly for Flight 261 15 months before the accident happened and the plane was 1 month away from it's next inspection. The next shift maintenance had undone his request for the jackscrew assembly and this is why the assembly failed and all those people died. Alaska Airlines paid a fine and continued operating like nothing happened.
So incredibly gut wrenching... I can't, nor do I want to, imagine what all those people were experiencing and feeling over the last minutes of their lives. Scary af!!
I thought we were going to hear the actual audio.
This definition of "full CVR" differs from mine.
“Speed brakes” “here we go” right before the end. They knew it was coming :(
😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥 yeah that’s what makes it even more devastating
I don't understand the speed breaks comment. What did that mean? Sorry my ignorance is showing when it comes to planes. Just curious what that meant.
Speed brakes is a way for pilots to slow down speed. Increasing drag.
@@StefunnyStrange since the speedbrakes on the top side of the wing and since theyre inverted I think they hoped the lift generated would also invert so they can fly the plane upside down, it worked but they don't have enough altitude in the end.
@@loch70 Thanks, mate
My mother just got off of that plane before it took it last flight! I felt like I had to be sick when I woke up and saw the news about it before knowing she was ok....prayers to those that were involved in this tragedy.