Planting Moringa to Capture Rain Water
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2022
- Today we're starting our Moringa planting as the first desert adapted trees here on the farm. In addition to their many uses including food, shade and fodder, these trees will also be helping us to capture and store rain water.
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I'm from south India, each house has this plant/tree....it is the most easy n domesticated plant/tree to grow, we plant it where the kitchen sink water falls, we cook it's almost all the products that are from this plant/tree, very tasty n super healthy.....flowers, leaves, fruits/veggi,👍👌😋.
This tree really is an incredible tree for us. We have had the leaves and pods and they are a great source of nutrition during the hot summers when most other things are not producing. It's amazing how much they are used in other countries like India and yet many people still do not grow them here!
I love seeing all the changes, additions and progress you make every week.
Hey Richard! Thank you for always being so encouraging to us. We don't take that for granted!
Right its so great see their farm grow and flourish
I’m in East Valley on flood. The interesting thing about moringas is how variable they are. I have five mature Moringa trees in my food forest. Some leaves/pods are more spicy and some are more “nutty” tasting or earthy. They may burn down from frost where you are. After frost I whack all mine down and let them grow back to look “refreshed.” They love it and grow fast in our heat. Please keep us updated. Really enjoy the farm progress.
Ok, just a little jealous of that wonderful flood irrigation you're blessed with! We have a neighbor out here who grows several different varieties of moringa that he's going to share with us. I'm looking forward to trying out those pods!!
Learned your technique for planting trees. I started doing that for all my trees, including those growing naturally to harvest as much rainwater as possible. I hope they will benefit and grow quicker. I had moringa that I planted 5 years ago, and its not dying, but not thriving either. The land where its planted slopes very noticeably, hence I think most rainwater just flows by it quickly. I hope the small dam around it will hold more water for it.
Sounds like you have a solid plan for those moringa. These plantings did fantastic through last summer.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Excellent. I use moringa as a multi-vitamin, and mix it with other nutrient dense plants. I especially find the seeds to be very nutrient dense for this purpose.
Beautiful couple living in the desert growing fruit trees and live stocks..good luck!
Hey Eduardo. Thank you for the kind words and encouragement!
I bought my seeds from Amazon. I soaked 9 seeds for 48 hours then planted them in peat pots. They all sprouted. I had several seedling in pots but 2 of them I planted in the ground. Those two are still doing well but the ones in containers got too hot. I live just outside Goodyear, AZ. As you know, it has been so hot and dry this year. I sometimes water my 2 moringa trees twice per day. I enjoyed your video!
This year has been really tough on new starts. We put a few seeds in the ground 2 weeks ago and they are just coming up, so if you're still wanting to plant you should be ok!
Thanks guys, so cool to see the Moringas going in. Moringa is such a useful, amazing tree. best of luck. Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed this one. We're hopeful these will do well for us!
I am so happy to have found you guys!
Hey Kathy, glad you are enjoying the videos!
One great thing about moringa is the tap root. Most of ours came back but only after the monsoons started. These, here, are dwarf from Baker's Creek rare seeds. Good vid, thank you.
Hey Martin. We're hopeful that Monsoon will kick in again and help these along for the next couple of months until Winter. How big do the dwarf trees get?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm According to Baker's Creek, up to 20 feet tall. Mine never get more than 10-12. Mebbe we're too cold, LOL.
Are you saying that moringa trees we’ll come back on their own after the winter frost? I thought they had to be planted new every year. We live in zone eight and our moringa tree is about 2 inches tall. I was wondering how we could keep it alive through the winter.
@@elizabethsutton4001 they come back for us here in Zone 9b, but we don't get quite as cold as you do. Our cold weather is also very short, both in how many weeks we get freezing temps and also how long it stays below freezing. Usually just a few hours in the early morning before sunrise.
@@elizabethsutton4001 plant your moringa tree in a big trash can and keep them in your garage during winter make sure to wrap its trunks with insulation wrapper
Love the video as always. Have you heard about Geoff Lawton? He has a whole series about permaculture in the desert and some of his techniques may be useful to you, specially the use of ground covers to reduce evaporation
Ah yes, very familiar with Geoff. He's had a few episodes recently with updates on his site in Jordan. Amazing to see what they have accomplished there and is a great resource for us. Especially with this new part of the project where we start using more desert adapted plants to help drive the ecosystem for our production trees and plants.
Great video glad to see you guys doing this work. One comment, you critically need more supporting species, it seems all you have is a ton of productive plants and are bringing in materials and inputs - where will future mulch come from I'd not from the 3-4 minimum plants growing around each productive one. Increase your support staff ;)
@@bigchieftomato solid suggestions Mark. These first 2 years we have focused on getting cash crops and systems installed to fund the rest of the project. What you're seeing here is the support systems coming in behind those.
Recently been watching some videos on rainwater harvesting in Tuscon. I am sure you both are aware of Brad Lancaster. Was just thinking that the edge of the far fields might benefit from run off beds with local food and medicinal bearing plants native to Arizona. It would mean you wont need to irrigate actively as the run off from the field would reach the edge of the land and create a self sustaining system you could harvest and rely on for shade. Also maybe something you could work back from into the rest of the field. Just a suggestion. Everything is looking exciting on the farm right now.
Hey G M. Yes, I'm very familiar with what Brad is doing. We will start with more desert adapted plantings now that most of the cash crops (and livestock) are in place to cash flow the farm business. That was our initial focus these first few years to allow us to fund the rest of this project. Excellent suggestions on that front BTW...
ak chin, Tohono for to flood.
Well done, I started a Moringa from seed last year in a Mediterranean climate area that is Cape Town, South Africa. All in all I planted 6 trees in my suburban home grounds.
Oh wow, Etienne, that's a solid start to a Moringa forest. How are the trees performing for you there?
Winter, slows everything down
@@etiennelouw9244 ah yes, we have the same thing happen to us here with these trees.
Ok thats a very smart & simple technique, I love it. Prayers over your farm friends.
Glad you enjoyed this one and thank you for those prayers! 🙏
Greetings, Duane, from Windermere, Florida zone 9b USA 🇺🇸
At 6a.m it's 80°F/88% humidity
I have Moringas growing in my backyard. Excellent source of protein and all the essential vitamins. The Tree of Life!
I love watching how you are changing the landscape of the desert 🏜
Hey Peggy! It's amazing how different growing zones can be. We're technically 9b as well, but so vastly different from what you're seeing! By 6am we're about 90 and 10-15% humidity!
I'll quit crying now. I was 70 at 7 am.
Thank you for the video. I have been wanting to try Morenga in my backyard and it was great to see you planting them from seed. We are close by in Circle City so your videos are super encouraging! We hope you have a blessed day.
Hey there Dawn, or should I say neighbor. You are not far from us at all! The key to Moringa is protecting them during the Winter. Our occasional 20 degree nights will kill a full grown tree outright without protection.
That's awesome that mushrooms are showing!!! Best news you could get!
Jose, we feel the same way when we see that. They are so essential to the health of the trees and other plants here on the property!
You’re probably the only American who understands ‘drumsticks’. Coming from India, we’re used to calling them drumsticks but here in the US people feel shocked that a plant fruit called so.
Hey Dheeraj! We had a visitor from the Philippines stop by the old farm several years ago and taught us the correct term for the seed pods calling them drumsticks.
Nice and clean love it
Hey Jenna! We had a decent size storm blow through earlier this week and this area completely soaked up the rainwater that was pushing up against it. Once we have the rest of the rings placed around the newly planted trees this should hold several hundred gallons of water during our rain events and push that into the soil.
Watching from Saudi Arabia wishing you all luck 🙏
Hey Abdulaziz! Saudi Arabia is a very similar climate to ours.
Amazing super-spectacular progress on your farm. Congratulations on your harvests coming from your determination and patience. I would really like to see all your mulch come from your own trees and shrubs...sooner or later.
You're right on track with that suggestion about the mulch Sean. Everything organic that we bring onto the property or grow ourselves stays right here. The permaculture principle of return of surplus in action.
Woohoo, orange marmalade is my favorite. Made fig jam last week and it’s great but I’m so excited to try and make marmalade. Thank you for sharing and you can’t go wrong with Moringa.
Oh fig jam, we are looking forward to making some more of that! We were surprised how well the marmalade turned out 🙂
Looking forward to seeing the turkeys come in.
also, 15:23 lol
The new turkeys should be here next week and out on that pasture by sometime in August. Glad you're enjoying the blooper reel. Only about 20% of our viewers hang around for those, so they're out there for only a select few!!
I am new to Arizona your channel is informative I am learning a lot thank you.
Glad you guys found us and are finding the content useful. Shoot over any questions as they come up!
Thank you very much for your work! Nice Content.
Hey there! Glad you're enjoying these.
Awesome thanks for sharing
With us Best wishes ❣
Glad you enjoyed this one Naz!
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Welcome 🙏❤
About the sweet potato, many people here in Brazil use the vine to plant, they use the hands, to cut and separate a small portion of vine, open the grave and put down there and cover with dirt, the place should be rich in organic mater, it will help the root to spread and feed the plant. Use vines that is mature because they've more energy to grow roots and establish it's self. Love your project.
Great notes on sweet potatoes here Diego, thank you. I imagine you have some impressive growth on sweet potatoes in Brazil, excellent weather for them there!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm In deed yes, I live in small density area of the country, my mom and my GP before here, used to plant sp in the backyard, the taste is bether than the ones we can buy in supermarket
@@diegotolentin I'm glad to hear you're continuing that legacy. Many families are giving up their land to move to the city, so it's always good to hear that there are still some farmers out there wanting to keep the land in the family.
Thanks for sharing
These trees did really well with this design last summer!
Found you guys recently and really like your channel. Looks like you have a really nice farm going out there. I like learning about soil building because we have hard, rocky, clay soil. We love doing hugelkulture raised beds and I am wanting to plant a few fruit trees. Thanks for the awesome videos.
Glad you found us! We have our challenges for sure and it sounds like some of those you're sharing with us. One of the great parts of being here is learning from everyone. Oh and that hard clay soil has it's benefits for fruit trees when you can harness it.
Such beautiful videography and editing!
Thanks Ian. We've been working on upping our game on that front, so really appreciate that feedback.
Thank you for the video! That was very interesting. I love to learn about your farming technics! Lovely marmalade by the way. But the reason we Europeans turn the jars on their heads for a while after closing the lid, is not to vacuum-seal the jars. They would do that anyway. The reasoning behind it is to avoid condensation forming in the lid, which would water down the sugar content in the upper layer and maybe lead to mould on the top of the marmalade. I leave mine on their heads for about 10 minutes, then turn them the right way up again.
Hey Cori. Glad you're enjoying the content and thank you for clarifying the reason behind that canning technique. We are learning so much from everyone and it makes us question a lot of our assumptions about things. This being one of them!
Those moringa trees are great to grow. You may need to cage the baby trees. We had rabbits eat some of our small trees. Great job as always.
Hey there Kent! Good call on the cages, we just caged them up this morning as we would have the same issues you're facing with the bunnies.
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Glad you enjoyed this one!
I love it! Thank you for sharing. #Keepupthegreatwork
Glad you enjoyed this one. Things are starting to come along!
Just found u guys! Love what ur doing. Planting by seed you will see the difference in vigor and health because of that tap root.
We've had a lot of folks suggest the same with planting these by seed. We lost a large moringa on our old property that was transplanted, so we're wondering if that was part of the problem...along with 20 degree temps!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm they can handle the 20 degree temp no problem as long as roots are protected. It grow so fast. Even if you cut it down and keep the root it comes back stronger.
Thanks for the info on the Kumquats. I am definitely going to see if I can locate the Fukushu variety here in SoCal. Remember to stay hydrated!!
Fingers crossed you'll be able to source one of those trees. It is our favorite Kumquat variety by far!
Brand new here! Just subscribed... Love what I see so far!
Hey there, glad you found us! Shoot over any questions as you get acquainted!
I am in Tennessee, too far north for citrus and too humid for wine grapes. I love seeing what y'all can do in Arizona!
Hey Kitti! Citrus is probably a stretch, but are you able to give muscadine grapes a try? I hear that's the grape of the South!
I think you should try river tamarind and Acacia... they are native of mexico and are able to adjust with heat.
I'm familiar with Acacia, but have not seen River Tamarind before. That sounds intriguing.
Since you got mushrooms growing... I'd add magic mushroom spores, if they take off it will be a lot of fun both literally and figuratively.
Oh my goodness, can you imagine that? I don't know that we'd get a lot of work done though!!
very interesting video 👌👌👌
Glad you enjoyed this one.
great video! saudos desde Costa Rica :)
Thanks DJS. A Costa Rica é um país lindo e esperamos visitar um dia!
So happy to see you finally planted that Moringa tree. I was starting to worry you would build a spare bedroom for it for the winter 😂 lol.
Hey Jynxie!! Yeah, it threatened to move out on multiple occasions, but finally hung around long enough for it's own space!!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm lol.nothing worse than a temperamental Moringa tree. You have to discipline them before they get to those rough teenage years.
@@JynxieTheMermaid so true!!
Here in the Philippines we propagate malunggay (local name for moringa) via cuttings. We just cut a branch, stick in into the ground along the perimeter of our yards. If done in the rainy season, it will practically take care of itself and thrive.
I imagine the weather in the Philippines is near ideal for these trees!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm yup! Every neighborhood has one. If you need some leaves for cooking, just walk over to your neighbor and ask for some.
Excellent video of Moringa planting, grape. goats , duck , and also you are growing zone 9B. You can grow almost anything , My growing zones 8b. I failed to grow Moringa, I have fig tree it is container. I just follow you and Lori since your old farm.
Hey there Abid! As always, you are so encouraging to us. Thank you!
See I told you those sweet potatoes would thrive. It may lose leaves and look like crap for a week or two but they will rebound if you keep them watered until the transplant shock is over. Glad to see your success guys. For all the faithful diligent work you do, you deserve the success. God bless you both and your community
You definitely called this one. I think that whole potato was the key as the slips did not fare as well. That means more of these are on the way soon! Thanks for the encouragement, btw!
Yeah my moringa actually went "into shock" after transplanting. I thought it was gonna die, but after some weeks to my joy it pick up again. Now i have a moringa tree.
Glad to hear this Asufi! We have transplanted them in the past and usually they do just fine after a time.
Hello, good to see muringa in your garden, you can make another plant from cuttings also. we use drumsticks, leaves and flowers for prepare different dishes. As per ayurveda muriga leaves good for eyesight, and drumsticks good for erectile problems(like herbal viagra),after all it's good for health.
They really are amazing trees with so many uses. I wasn't aware of the drumsticks being herbal viagra though!
Great video again. 1:49 is an amazing shot. Beautiful.
Every once in a while we get a gem like that. Glad you caught that one.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Figs are looking good. They can be a good seller in the local markets. Pomegranates as well. I am growing a few in containers in Henderson, NV.
@@LIFELOVER715 figs are solid producers for here as are pomegranates. What varieties are you growing in LV?
Great information, got me thinking and adding onto plans. Also reminded me to search fungal polysaccharides
We know just how you feel there William. We stare out at the property every evening planning the next move and then we watch a CZcams video or read an article and we wind up adding even more!! For some reason, my mind immediately thought Fungal Polysaccharides would make a fine alternative punk band name!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm lol
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm looking on the land is no joke though, inspiration from God is very real, I wish you guys the best
I think you should plant evergreen Vine on the boundary wire hedge to keep cool air in your farm.
Great suggestion here. We're looking into options with an evergreen vine. For now we have some grapevines planted on our primary pasture to start doing something like this. We're also looking at possibly adding jasmine vines as well.
In regards to outer ring where you added logs.... look into bio char it won't break down like the logs and it will retain moisture much better and provide a habitat for beneficial micro organisms.
Great suggestion David. Those would be a great addition to the outer rings!
Hats 😊goat
Funny you should mention hats and goats. Driving through downtown Wittmann a while back and saw a guy walking his goat..on a leash...with a hat on!
must rain soon. tiny shiney home had a truck full lately
We can all use the rain, that's for sure!
Great Job, u should try planting plumeria flowers…God Bless🙏🏼
We've had a few other folks suggest plumeria before. It would be nice to have a flowering tree on the property...well, besides all the fruit trees that flower!
I don’t think it’s a good idea to live in the desert but I admire your heart and hard work. Subscribed
Hey Jeremy. I'm glad you're enjoying the content and are willing to stick around for our shenanigans. If you have any questions as we go, please ask away!
been following your video's for a while. You really picked one of the hardest places to farm. looking at all the costs you incurred and the little produce you're harvesting I don't envy you but mad respect for trying. I followed geoff lawton's greening the desert proect in Jordan and if it's possible there. it's possible at your farm as well. I live in the netherlands. we get about 800-900 mm of rain per year and by harvesting the roof runoff I can roughly double that amount. I went from all stone garden and a rundown building to a food forest in less then 5 years. the main thing for me was composting and some of the practices that you are using as well but there is so much difference in the speed at which the composting process takes place under such dry conditions you're in. in a climate like yours getting organic matter to compost is actually extremely difficult, and costly in comparison. it will take a long time but I believe the results can be absolutely amazing, profitable and inspirational. untill that time though. I'd say you can use all the support your local community and the youtube community can offer. you just earned yourself a new subscriber;)
Hey Jordy! Wow, you are sure looking at a different environment around you over there. I imagine it's quite beautiful. We definitely have some unique challenges, but there are a few advantages as well. That long growing season and abundant sunlight really gives us a jumpstart on tree growth and production. I would love to see what you've done with your property if you wouldn't mind sharing. You can find us on Facebook or Instagram and we also have our email address here on CZcams under the about tab if you're willing to share.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm My suggestion for the composting is plant like 4-5 Jackfruit tree's, they will produce lots of compostable fruits and leaves that drop and compost fast. Additionally by sacrificing a few whole fruits to the compost the moisture content in the fruit can help balance the moisture levels in the pile during droughts of water. My Jackfruits are going off right now and I've already filled 2 compost bins to the top and I've got like 8-10 more picked fruit to either dry or compost and like another 20 fruit in the trees. Mountain Apples provide great compost material as well if you can grow them in your area.
@@ziggybender9125 oh wow, I'm surprised you're able to grow jackfruit there. They grow in the US, but mainly in tropical areas like Florida and Hawaii. Do you have to protect them in Winter?
If you have a septic tank you could also, when it comes time to empty it, dig a huge hole over an extended area and arrange for disposal into it. Leave for roughly 12 months then use the ground for whatever you need. Should really help to build soil, fertility and moisture retention. Could eventually be done on a rotating basis to great effect.
We used to do something similar on our farm; family joke went - "that's why it always grows grass so we'll". 😄 It's certainly accounts for high fertility of many a London garden and surrounding farmland dating back to before the City had sewers.
Hmm, I'm not sure whether or not that would be an option for us, but it sounds plausible. That's sort of what we're going to be using the duck water for, only on a smaller scale!
I had mushrooms growing at the base of my paulownia tree seedlings and thought it was a bad thing and removed them LOL.
It's funny how we look at things sometimes. I remember having a nurseryman tell me how horrible it was to see sowbugs in and around trees. I asked him why and he said they eat everything. Well, they actually eat decaying matter and like all other lifeforms have a waste stream...that's good for plants! If you feed them their primary diet, they leave your plants alone, so plenty of compost and they're happy to add to the life of the ecosystem. Much like those mushrooms you guys are cultivating around your trees. 😉
GREAT INFO...
I WILL TRY PLANTING MORINGA IN MALAYSIA...
Oh yes, they should do really well for you there!
Please give us an update on your wine grapes! Love all you do!
We'll definitely do that George. Be sure to join us on Facebook or Instagram. We just posted a few updates there on our wine making escapades!
Very interesting to see you intelligently battling the circumstances. Have you heard of the Groasis waterbox method for planting trees in desert areas?
Hey Albert. Yes, we have seen the Groasis boxes. They definitely have their uses for desert adapted trees that will be left to their own devices, but we have the ability to irrigate here on a smaller scale.
I am not sure if you already incorporated this step but pealing the (individual) moringa seeds (brown coating) will reduce the number of days to germination drastically. I grew some in similar environment in pots under some shade and they emerged out of the soil in 10 days. You can also grow Pakistani mangoes in your climate. Another thing you may benefit from is creating a shade growing area outdoors using 60 to 70 percent sunlight blocking fabric, you will no longer have to use grow lights indoors.
Bougainvillea will give you flowers pretty much year round. lantanas as well but they may be bad for animals.
date palms will obviously do great. papayas in your sunflower patch maybe? they grow from seed so easily but you dont know which ones are females until they flower.
Combretum indicum is a great forage vine that grows fast and is also covered with flowers for a few months, attracts humingbirds. Goats love it.
jazmine is also something you have to grow if you love scented flowers and live in the tropics.
Wow, thank you for all of these suggestions! We did have another viewer recommend removing the "husk" from the moringa seeds as well. We'll need to give that a shot in the Spring.
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That was cool yall were able to make marmalade! Let us know how it tastes :) I would like to make a suggestion on how you prepared it. Instead of using a plastic funnel to pour the hot marmalade into your container, I would suggest using a stainless steel canning funnel. I got mine off of Amazon a few years ago and it is one of the most useful tools in my kitchen. Hot food/liquid and plastic do not mix well! Leeching occurs and it is harmful for your health. Cheers to healthy farm living!
Ah yes, thank you for that suggestion. That was part of a kit we bought many years ago and have never replaced. Stainless or wood is our go-to these days, so it's definitely time for an upgrade!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm totally!
I am growing a few Moringa Trees together with Comfrey Plants close by.
The Comfrey provides ground cover and a weed barrier [not sealed but much better than nothing] as well as an easy 'chop and drop' option to feed the Moringa.
The Comfrey left alone but watered produces a load of 'on the spot' fertilizer...I don't even have to touch the plants as the older leaves age, and decompose on the spot.
I really like this process you're describing Danny. As we move onto areas of the farm that do not have irrigation, it will be interesting to see what we can grow as cover/companion crops. We haven't given comfrey a shot yet, but I've heard it's very hit or miss for us here in AZ. At least the desert areas of the state.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I wish you success if you do give Comfrey a try.
I have just been reading what a great source of almost free food it is for a variety of animals....including many varieties you are rearing.
It is also claimed to increase the quality of eggs.
I will send you the link for your info.
@@dannyhughes4889 additional fodder is always a good thing these days with the price of, well, everything!
I grow moringa trees from seed that came from a person in queen creek trees are fully desert acclimated I find that the planting hole needs plenty of organic material they dont grow well without it. Where they grow moringa commercially they prep the soil and their soil is better than ours. I start mine in 1 gal pots then transplant when they reach 2 ft tall and use poultry wire to protect them.
Great points on the planting media. We're hopeful the addition of the goat manure and Amend will allow that seed to germinate and start penetrating the soil. We've had good success with that in the past, but only time will tell on these.
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What you did with the kumquat marmalade was basically just open kettle canning, and it isn't good for intermediate/longer term preservation. A seal doesn't mean that you are preserving something in a jar. It does not guarantee that it will prevent the food from having botulism. In other countries, some of them don't pressure can but they water bath can for hours and hours. Since this is a fruit jam, it doesn't need to be pressure canned anyway. The closest thing I could reference is a fruit puree (since you used an immersion blender.) and that says to water bath can for 10 minutes from sea level to 1000 ft and 15 minutes for 1,000 ft. to 6000 ft. with 20 minutes for anything above 6,000 ft. The National Center for Home Food Preservation website is a fantastic reference if you're ever in doubt. New viewer to your channel and I'm enjoying your content! Thanks so much for sharing your journey with us.
Hey Kenny. We typically pressure can and water bath (depending on the acidity and recipe), but came across these recipes used in Europe where they don't use a water bath for this particular recipe. Glad you found the channel and are enjoying the content!
Great as usual, however as amazing as the rain catcher is, I live in Las Vegas, we haven’t had any collectible rain since the end of summer 2021. It sucks so bad, I have garden plots, yet I can’t use them because we have no water, and I’m to concerned about using to much water that will just make Lake Mead drop to an even scarier level.
We know just how you feel when it comes to rainfall. Fortunately for us, our aquifer is not dependent on the rainfall we received, but what is received just North of us. They get rainfall much more regularly than we do. That being said, we all need to be concerned with Mead and the water levels. We all depend on that to some extent.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm you two are amazing. Stay great ❤️
Have you thought about olive trees? They are very adapted to arid environments, and they are hardy trees.
Hey Edward. We have thought a bit about olive trees. We do use olive oil in cooking, but there is a lot of processing involved to get the yield. With everything we already have going on we're just concerned it may be a bit too much. That being said, you're absolutely correct. They are desert adapted and could easily be incorporated into our future plans for those types of trees/plants.
Thank you for sharing all your knowledge, you guys are amazing,
have a Question you every consider planting date tree?
Glad you are enjoying the videos Sinan! That is a great question and we have considered it and decided not to mostly since neither of us likes dates.
"Europaens" don't flip jars to create a vacuum seal - it would do this without flipping. They turn the jars so that the boiling hot marmelade can reach the metal seal and sterilise it. This process takes about 5 minutes - after that you can flip it back, if you want to.
Very good to know Henning. We just assumed the only way to get a seal on things like this was a water bath canning, but that is clearly not the case!
and adding bio=char to the soil will help with moisture retention....(activated bio-char)
That would definitely be a good addition John.
Was it just me or did the goat rip the loudest fart at 15:05 😳😂
Ha! I had to listen to it again and I think it's one of them sneezing, but with as much gas as those girls have in their bellies, I wouldn't put it past them!! 😂😂
hello landscaper 40 years try filling the basins with gravel ..pea gravel is best......they will shade the soil and allow air in and out.......most importantly they will keep the roots at a homeostatic temperature......warming quickly in the morning on cold days and staying warm into the evening...stores water superbly....prevents burrowing by insects/animals/birds......keeps roots shaded and moist on hot dry days......attractive.....i like about 1-4 inches at the base to 8 inches on the outside around the tree....encourages a broad drip line as well......for trees i like an 8 ft apron......or a big as your supply will allow 18-24 inches......anything...even the odd rocks ...anything to keep the soil temp even ....great job luck to ya
Thanks for the notes Bob. Always good to get a pro's input on things!
the soil in my area is too rigid. It's hard for the roots and even hard for me to dig this much. Thanks for the video. I am trying to plant more moringa trees, I don't have any proper water facility so far
We know just how you feel with that soil. One of the things you may notice for this planting is we placed woodchips on the ground and watered them every day for a few weeks before planting. That may help soften up your soil a bit!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm cool
Years ago my husband and I lived in Tucson (x2) and then Sierra Vista (x2) so I'm always interested in seeing how things are going in Arizona. I like what you did with the wood in the bottom of your irrigation circle, smart! (I wonder if that would work in the sand, sand, sand of west central Florida?) This is your first vlog I've watched, so I wondered do you use any drip irrigation? and is July still your main rain month? Look forward to see more of what you're accomplishing in AZ. 🌴 😎 (After thought, I just planted 5 Moringa seed, all are growing and I have them growing in containers...I have a huge Live Oak tree in my backyard...so I have to grow around the shade.)
Hey there Theanne! With the exception of a lot more people and traffic, it's pretty much the same around here. As you know, rain is sporadic, but possible throughout the months of July, August and September. We've seen several storms come through so far this year. We do use some drip irrigation in certain areas, but most of our trees are on "flood type" bubblers. This is to allow the soil to flush some of the harmful salts that build up. Congrats on those little baby moringas. They get big fast, but need some protection in the Winter if you get below freezing.
When transplanting, especially something like a sweet potato, it is best to cut the green back by a third.
Thanks for the notes on that one Chip.
Both Moringa leaves & pods are eaten in the Philippines. It is highly nutritious.
It's funny you mention that. We were not fans of the pods when we first tried them, but we had a visitor to the old farm from the Philippines and she showed us the correct way of eating them. Now we love the pods as well!
Amazing. I'm out a little NW towards Tucson and have been trying to find some moringa seeds to get in our West facing walls for shade and protection. Our big old Mesquite has died off, and while I'll definitely plant another soon... The fast growth of Moringa appeals! How did your from seed ones do versus the sapling this past Winter?
You will be very impressed with the growth on Moringa for us here. Just watch the cold temps in Winter as that can kill a full grown tree.
Looking at the plantings I would say the seed started trees seem to have fared better than the transplants this past Winter. All of them survived, but the die back on the transplanted trees seems to be a little further down on the tip. Now I will admit, that's probably due to the larger size on the direct seeded trees as most of them are at least double the diameter vs the transplants.
I almost would bet the order of success for moringas would be: small transplant (before getting root-bound), seed, large(r) transplant. But who knows - large number of seeds may well compensate all the odds that just germinating trees will face. I'm really interested to see the result of your trial.
Out of curiosity, do you have plans to plant any nitrogen fixing hardy trees as well? Some kind of acacias, prosopis, tagaste, .. ? They could thrive in your climate with little extra help and provide shade, windbreak, and possibly wood or food for animals.
Excellent observations and suggestions here Tonis. We're going to try the young transplants in the duck area to see whether or not they'll take this time of year. If not, we'll start more seeds and try them again in September when we have cooler weather around the corner. I'm not sure what other desert adapted trees we'll try as we move further onto the back of the property. That area is destined for a Silvopasture type area for the goats and sheep, so we'll be looking for a combination of shade and fodder for those trees.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Last autumn I was looking for human edible plants for cool temperate climate, I was digging through Plants For A Future database. I got a lot interesting hints and even found, that few somewhat familiar plants that are either natural in my area or grown in the gardens around, are actually not just pretty plants or strange berries one should keep at safe distance, but actually very much worth to look at in the case of emergency and some of them nitrogen fixers as well! I was impressed. Maybe you're already familiar with that source, but when not - I really recommend.
@@tonisee2 I have not heard of that book before, so thank you for the recommendation!
Moringa leaves are edible and is a great substitute for spinach.
A common leaf ingredient used here in South east Asia.
Hey there Graham! We usually dry the leaves to put into smoothies, but we'll need to give them a shot as a spinach sub as you're suggesting.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm make sure to extract the leaves well only until the base and not the twig holding the base as that one can be quite bitter.
You can check some videos on how moringa leaves are cooked
@@grahammasala998 thanks for the clarification, we'll be sure to do that!
Great video and useful info.. Love Marmalade! have been wanting to do something like this. Heard that Moringa has a shallow root system, is this true? We haven't had much luck growing from seeds. They all sprout but die later, any secrets you want to share? Thinking of buying a few to plant. Might have to protect them this winter. We are at 3100 feet.
Hey guys! Moringa have a very deep taproot, much like mesquite. That's how they are so well adapted to the African climate that they call home. They can be a challenge to get started. Our best luck has been planting them about now and protecting them during their first Winter season. We're hopeful we can get both the transplants and the direct seeded trees to take, but we're dependent on decent weather, so we'll have to see. Winter protection for you guys will be key. We killed our last one when we hit 20 degrees for a few nights!
hi my dear.
Moringa cannot live where temps get below 55 degrees. They are tropical. If you grow inside they need lots of light and a deep pot for the long taproot.
@@teresaoconnell4790 THANK YOU!!! I plan on keeping it protected but may not be able to keep it warm enough in the green house. Thanks for the feedback.
Where does your water come from?
Inspiring content! Thank you!
Hey there Shea. We are on a private well here on the farm, so directly beneath us!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm That is awesome! I love seeing your farm and learning from you. Now imagining your water source fills it out even more. Thank you for responding to my question!🌿💦
Glad you enjoyed this one!
Hello Duane, hello Lori. Great to see you planting moringa trees. They are fabulous trees; so adaptable and diversified in usefulness. Nature's Magic. I'll be watching the progress of this tree with particular interest. The new "fly-in and fly-over"(miss your original signature tune) appears to come from east to west if I am to presume that you have planted your mulberries on the west side of the chicken run. According to the permaculture design logic applied by Bill Mollison( deceased) and his student, Geoff Lawton - "Greening the Desert" project, design is everything, the key is the design to rational positioning and setting up work-reducing, effective, self-feeding systems. I see your house eves are NOT following his logic - ( that of Bill Mollison, ”33 Housing Part 1,). I hope you find time and have the interest to follow what theses two men have done and how implementation of their ideas are doing incredible things in dry, hot areas in particular. Bill Mollison has been around the world lecturing to all communities about Housing and conservation of reserves since the 1980's. He was awarded an alternative Nobel Peace Prize for his innovative ideas and service to humanity. I'm sure you must have come across his books and instructive ideas. Have a good week.
Hey Carolle. I'm very familiar with the permaculture work done by Geoff and Bill. While we're not designing this with 100% adherence to permaculture principles, it is what drives much of what we do. Your example of our mulberry trees to the West of our Chicken run are a good example. That run is in Zone 1 (visited daily for egg collection), flanked on the West by mulberry trees to shade the run in the afternoon and is a mulberry for it's fodder capabilities.
I noticed you put three Moringa in for each location. I did this with two of mine and two for each came up nicely. I decided to twist them together when they were younger and they joined together nicely. I will take pictures today so you can see how they turned out. I am not sure I can upload the photos here, but I will upload them to Facebook if I can. Otherwise, I will send them via email.
Ooh, Pam this sounds very interesting! Please send that pic over, so I can see those!!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm , I sent them via messenger on FB.
@@Pamsgarden213 ok, we'll take a look over there!
I can confirm that flipping the jar is how they seal jams and marmalades in Germany. But not in the UK :D
That is really cool, I couldn't believe it actually worked lol 😂
I planted my rear fence line to moringas. Multiple seed per planting location. Mine are over six feet at this time. Love to see your wlnter protection. Mine die to winter, down to twenties at the peak lows, mine regrow from established roots next spring. Is perennially annual a word?
That is sold growth so far into this season. We're hopeful we can get these to over-winter with some protection and we'll be sharing that as we go. As for perennially annual, I'm down for making it a legit word!
Not sure if you have pegions peas already on the property but you might want to look it up to see if it would be a good addition to your farm.
Sounds like a nitrogen fixer from the name which is definitely worth considering. Thank you for the suggestion!
May I also suggest checking out Geoff Lawton greening the desert project to get ideas for your farms.
@@youtuudodo oh yes, we're very familiar with Geoff's work in Jordan. He is an artist when it comes to these types of projects!
Great content! Using that electric roto-tiller to make the trench was cheating, though. You're supposed to hand-dig, sweat like a stuck pig, cuss a good bit... and finally get it done just before sunset. Your way looked too quick and simple!
Love the idea of the logs in the trench, too. Hugelkultur works, but I never would have thought about putting bigger wood into the system since you're already using wood chips. Makes sense, though, since it's good food for the microbes and will hold moisture for a long time once it's rotted down a bit.
I'd love to know how the soil is in the pig pen. With however long the pigs have been there, and all the mulch added, I'd think the soil would be as good as you could ask for. Do you ever move the pigs and use that area for growing, basically using the pigs to make great soil and then moving them to start the process over on barren desert ground? How does the soil downhill of the pigs compare to the soil uphill? Are you seeing migration of microbial life through the soil?
Excellent question/suggestion on the pigs. We do move them at least once during the time they're here on the farm and we always plant behind them. I'll link a video we did here where we grew sorghum behind pigs last year;
czcams.com/video/AI-BO7wCR8Q/video.html
This year we have our turkeys growing out in the sorghum we planted behind our pigs this past season. If you peak at one of our recent weekly vlogs you'll see the sorghum and those thanksgiving turkeys. Oh and one more link to see how much soil life we're seeing behind those pigs after planting;
czcams.com/video/NVxYglITQvo/video.html
It is all real, we have more stringent canning requirement because our in field food safety and quality requirements are so much lower in the USA.
It's funny, you grow up with certain assumptions about everything and then you come across something like this and you just can't believe it.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm In addition to regulatory differences, citizens of the EU generally demand higher quality food than American consumers. For this reason, American food companies produce healthier versions of their products to sell overseas. Companies such as Heinz, Quaker Oats, and Mountain Dew (as well as others) have products with less chemical additives available for sale in European markets. These products are developed by US food producers because they know the products available for domestic use will not be accepted in Europe.
@@paperburn I remember reading something similar to that somewhere. Along the lines of not allowing artificial colors in drinks for example.
I really appreciate how much you share, even when you take advice from viewers. Thanks for sharing even your failures. Maybe I have missed it but what is your plan for the goats? Thank you Dwayne and Lori 😎
We learn so much from both our failures and our viewers, so we almost feel obligated to share. We're still not dead set on exactly what part the goats will play in the farm business. We went with registered goats, so the kids will be at a premium and of course there are lots of uses for their milk. The other aspect is land improvement. As we move onto the back half of the farm we have plans for some rotational grazing incorporated into a desert Silvopasture. Not sure where that will lead yet, but that's the current plan.
Thanks for these videos. Over time, do these trenches fill in and have you have to dig them out again? Or by that time is the tree established enough to where is doesn't need that trench system?
Great question, and yes the wood chips will break down creating soil that we have gone back and re dug out. Usually some of it gets dug out when we fertilize 3 times a year.
Where I am, our moringa seeds/seedlings hated the sun and they didn't start to thrive until I brought them under shade. So it will be interesting seeing how yours go.
That is very interesting Michael! We had a Moringa tree on our old property and did fantastic in the sun, our problem is the freezing temps. We will be sure to give updates!
Havnt had any luck with sweet potatoes in mulch, myself. Mostly because of grubs in the mulch eating the potatoes.
Hey Jesse. Are you growing them just in mulch, or are they planted in the soil below the mulch? We get grubs here as well, but the potatoes, once established, don't seem to be bothered by them.
Moringa! I am wondering how you and Lori got interested in calamondin, (Calamanci), kumquat, jujube, now moringa (I have moringa in huge pots in our small backyard, it is a staple food in Africa and a favorite super veggie in the Philippines, even the flowers and the young fruits can be eaten, we put them in chicken soup with lemon grass, ginger and green papaya).
Moringa really is an amazing tree and so versatile in many climates. It has challenges surviving our Winter seasons, but we're hopeful we can mitigate that, as many folks have been successful with them here in AZ. We've been growing kumquats for some time and like them because they fruit several times a year as opposed to most citrus that is only ripe in the Winter. Jujube is something new for us and was suggested by many of our viewers over the years. It's a very interesting fruit and we're growing these for ourselves and also for some of our customers who enjoy them. That recipe for chicken soup with Moringa, lemon grass, ginger and green papaya sounds AMAZING!
Thank you for the detailed reply. We love jujube. I found out about the fruit when my Vietnamese neighbor shared some with us, of qumquat, too. Good for cough and colds. Great to know, moringa is very expensive by the pound at Asian stores, especially the fruit. Moringa is deciduous in the U.S. The leaves turn yellow and drop in the Winter, but will flourish again in the Spring when pruned. Hope your moringas will flourish. Happy planting and keep on keeping on, Duane and Lori.
seen a lota bees there in ur older videos.. is it wild or u got a bee hive tuck in somewhere .. would love to hear ur experience in bee keeping in those conditions.
Hey there Ariff. We have not tried our hand at bee keeping. We've had a few folks in town that have stopped by and shared what it takes to raise them here and I'm not sure we'll give it a go. The bees you see here are probably from hives located in the wash that's adjacent to the property. My understanding is the hives folks keep in this part of AZ wind up dispersing if it gets too hot, so many times they'll move them to the Northern part of the state during the Summer and back down Fall - Spring.
Hi, love watching your channel. Can I ask what is name of machine your using to make the hole and berm 4:55?
Hey Zara, glad you're enjoying the content. The tool you see us using there is an electric tiller. We've had that one for years and it's a great tool for many things like this. I'll link to it on Amazon for you here;
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So, will you eventually dig a ring around where you planted the seeds?
You guessed it. We want to make sure they take and will come back to dig the channels around them this Winter...when the weather is a little more "user friendly" for digging!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm i see. Nice! Now do those trees grow very quickly? I'm assuming since you're starting them as seeds
@@kylanvanemmerik9397 yes, they grow very fast. We were seeing a good 8-10 feet of growth in a single season on our young tree on the old farm. It may be hard to make out in this video, but the transplant we put in the ground was cut back to a nub about 4-6 inches long and even in a pot it has grown a good 3-4' since Spring.