I'm Skeptical About UFO Whistleblower David Grusch | Danny Jones
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In 2023, David Grusch, a former USAF officer and intelligence official, claimed in interviews and even a congressional hearing that the US government runs a covert program to recover and reverse engineer UFOs (or UAPs), possessing "non-human" spacecraft and their "dead pilots". Previously in 2022, Grusch lodged a whistleblower complaint with the US Office of the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) to share classified information with the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, also alleging retaliation for a similar complaint in 2021.
As a cosmologist, I am highly skeptical of his claims. Why? Find out in this clip from my interview with Danny Jones! Tune in.
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respectfully you remained grounded and everything you say is valid. but when hundreds of thousands of people worldwide have claimed to see things (for many many many centuries), we can't expect to have fully clear scientific answers yet.
More than 250 eye witness accounts of something streaming towards TWA flight 800 before the plane went down. Yet, all that testimony was considered unreliable. The good Dr answered your question on at least two fronts. Eye witness accounts of the resurrection of Jesus (or something about Jesus). Eye witness has been proven to be terrible. I was lucky and got to experience the bear and bouncing ball video first hand… and it totally duped me!!
There are things I’ve seen myself that I can’t explain. How could I possibly be sure about supposed witness testimony from someone I never met from centuries ago? We can’t even trust witness testimony today!
It's well known that people believe in nontruths. Look at all religions.
@eerohughes The totality of the claims and the collective details of the strongest reports suggests that more is there than we are being made aware of. Exactly what that something is, who knows?
@@mestanley1753 So, like in religions?
Nope! We should absolutely expect to have clear scientific answers, even if not conclusive as a whole (there's always unknowns within, and every known raises new questions. The flaw is in the fact that all we have are claims and not one shred of evidence for the events, but none for the possibility of it and often high probability against it! Now add all of the evidence for the human condition and the details that make our minds work and also malfunction, or just show their week spots, rooted in biochemistry, biophysics, neurology, psychology and more which are all exclusively primarily based on good and sound evidence, so the reality is that claims are not evidence, and the amount of believers in a thing is separate from the truth of it, whole regions of large cultures, believed that epileptic seizures were demon possessions, anything vaporous were spirits, and all sorts, and gods are in the tens of thousands many with well over a million believers some hundreds of millions now, and yet in most religions the same people that believe in their gods claim all others to either be lesser gods, mistaken to be gods, or and most often: don't or can't exist at all for being made up and theirs is the only true god... and yet not a single one has ever brought forth even a single shred of viable evidence even worth building an investigation around, and every attempt to, lead nowhere but more believers trying their best to convince people of the truth with no evidence!
Now in the case of alien sightings and all of the other beliefs we also have very good historical evidence, record evidence, literature and all sorts pointing at when the whole thing started, which was once the notion that a bunch of that stuff wee see in the night sky are stars with planets most likely similar to ours and all part of a bigger picture, did the whole "Life on other planets" have it's birth, and the human condition took it from there! Although there are all sorts of archeological finds in the form of paintings, cave drawings and what not asserted to be alien related or to be not of this world, none of it has any mention of any of it in any literature, or records, "Other worldly events" as they speculated things like natural disasters and other events to be never had any other sentient being other than gods as an explanation, and most of the assertions are nowhere near conclusive and even attributed and twisted to fit in with the lore of the later 1800's and up!
“I was there, here’s what I saw, I don’t know what it was” - literally thousands of first hand eye witnesses. “I wasn’t there, I didn’t see it and they are all wrong” - Brian Keating.
I vote this “Best Comment of the Year”
You should Interview Dr. Eric Davis or Dr. Hal Puthof. They can answer your question.
no they can't. They are just physicists that play around with the equations from general relativity and electromagnetism that speculate some exotic matter (negative energy density) is what fuels these propulsion systems. Bob Lazar told us the same things 35 years ago, and we still have nothing to show for all that.
The argument Grusch has made is for the existence non human intelligence. I don’t believe I’ve ever once heard him say alien life.
He spoke of “Non human biologics”
Precisely. Seems like some pretty specific language
And yet the "Argument" is no such thing, he has a bag of unsubstantiated positive claims of knowledge, and no better for also coming without any evidence, and well, claims, mere attributions, free form philosophical conclusions, logical fallacies... are all not evidence for much more than the condition of a persons mind and epistemology which can be abysmal and all messed up for which we have nothing but great evidence is way more common than almost everyone with a brain want's to admit!
So what's your point?
The thumbnail says "scientist debunks whistleblower's claim"..... I don't get it... where is the debunk?
He also presents zero proof.
It wasn't just David Fravor seeing something. It was monitored on multiple radar systems for weeks until the jets were finally scrambled
Don't think anyone doubts they saw something, just no proof it's alien.
Exactly. They have it on radar, on video, and saw it with their naked eyes. This is not a mistaken sighting.
@@msyfrgsn So, show us the proof then.
@davorinmestric969 this is youtube look it up
Typical comments from a bible basher .
Let's just explore the subject scientifically. We don't need incontrovertible proof to have a reason to do the research; the accumulated indirect evidence (i.e., anecdotal reports and FOIA documents) and a little bit of curiousity are sufficient for making such an enterprise worthwhile. If it turns out that the phenomenon is something prosaic -- that's absolutely fine. We will learn something new either way. But this attitude of immediate dismissal - "oh it's all nonsense, there's nothing to it" - is the wrong one to take, and unscientific in itself. Let's do the research, make it public, and let the data speak for itself. We need more scientists doing what Avi Loeb, Kevin Knuth, et al., are doing.
I have to say that the tic tac was observed by four pilots
Aerogel drones being tested in a test area.
@@afeddenrofl
What drones (18m long) can loiter for hours, 100 miles of the coast, come into earth's atmosphere from above 80000 ft, do (multiple) jumps from 28000 ft to sea level (in under 1 second) without sonic booms or an extraordinary impact wave upon stopping?
@@oliverkaiser794 Pretty sure it must be aliens then lol.
@@afedden It’s just a mystery.
@@afeddenDrones don't go to 40,000 ft in a second.
Since when is disbelief debunking? NPC characters are getting really annoying these days
The time is come. Truth can no longer be stopped. It's like fighting God. We've been lied to for too long.
Is it not possible that there’s another theory other than aliens have traveled millions of light years to get here? It’s just that I’ve seen things that are incredibly hard to explain, I came within 3-4 ft of a blue orb that decided one night to illuminate the inside of my car for 10 seconds as I’m driving up a mountain road late at night, blew my mind. And as a kid I saw an enormous black triangle silent and low flying, I accepted that could have been extremely advanced tech. Also spotted high flying orange orbs, again could have been sky divers at night. But this blue orb interacted with my car, I’ve heard of ball lightning btw. I had witnesses at every sighting.
I'm Skeptical of "aliens" that look like they could be in a sci-fi film
Yes, unless they look like Barbarella and wear shiny figure-hugging spacesuits.
It's possible that the sci-fi films took inspiration from reports of sightings.
Seriously in a huge universe you believe none look like any in scifi? I bet there are aliens that live in the vacuum of space
Dr. Keating,
If you were the captain of a Navy aircraft carrier and all those pilots along with their navigators returned from the mission that you sent them on, becs you were seeing unexplainable things on your radar and tracking equipment, and reported what they all saw to you, would you debate them about faith and science or would you trust their trained, 20/20 eye sight and their judgement as elite, career fighter pilots, an actual Top Gun Instructor among them?
exactly
Dr. Keating should have Jacques Vallee as a guest.
A graduate with a B.A. or B.S. in Physics is professionally a physicist, while a graduate with a degree in Physics and Applied Mathematics is technically a mathematician.
Misplaced comments here are stranger than the clips message.
There were 4 sets of eyes on that tic tac incident. Along with multiple radar data. I highly recommend you deep dive that one to get all the facts.
I am skeptical, as well. I need to see more than videos and anecdotes.
the problem is there's so much we haven't seen that just isn't publicized
@@deadaccount42069 So true. This whole UAP has a feel of a limited hangout.
I would encourage you to have Erik Bard, the principal investigator at Skinwalker Ranch, and *actual* physicist on your program. Weinstein has commented that Bard is one of the only people capable of going toe to toe with him.
Brian Keating says that he is as qualified an observer as Commander David Fravor, who is a veteran navy pilot with literally millions of dollars worth of training. Brian, can you identify every airplane you see? Can you tell us its make and model? I'll bet David Fravor can. Before military pilots even consider firing on an aircraft, they have to identify it. They have to know who and what they are shooting at. That's what it means to be a "trained observer". You (Brian) dismiss that training out of hand like it means nothing. I think you should apologize.
I don’t doubt Fravor, but this is a specious critique. Keating has a broader range of knowledge about physical phenomena, particularly to do with things like electric fields.
Buddy modern air combat is done at distances where you can’t even see the enemy aircraft with naked eye. However i didn’t like the way Dr.Keating formed his sentence, but I understood what he meant to say and that is that trained scientists can do more objective data analysis than air force pilot. I don’t believe that Frevor lied or made up what he had seen, not once he called it alien ship. However there could be 100 other possible explanations on what that “tic-tac” was.
@@Cardan011Also Fravor was not alone. They were 4 eyewitnesses in those two F18. And they were ordered to investigate the uaps because they were ordered to do so by the Princeton's captain after those objects had been observed by the Princeton's radar and snoopy team for days.
@@oliverkaiser794right, insane how these details are glossed over. And the speed at which these things were detected travelling is insane. The material technology to stop it disintegrating let alone the technology needed to generate the speeds is mind boggling.
So, If the government needed the top people to research a UAP , Who would that be?
Probably DARPA
It is not unrealistic to imagine an advanced civilization building AI drones ( space craft ), and sending them everywhere they detected certain elements/conditions, these AI drones could house AI robots for maintenance, others for data gathering, etc., and these AI constructs would have preset mission orders & would not age or die, perfect way to explore.
They'd probably degrade somewhat in transit though which would explain the faults. Proves are certainly a valid hypothesis although we can't confirm anything at this time.
Grusch never said that these were coming from another planet... Quite the opposite
He has made some loose claims when on other podcasts. He’s even stated that the uap tech is much like ours but took a different direction at some unspecified inflection point. Which means he thinks human tech is a possibility.
Did I miss the debunking? I just heard assertions and appeals to authority.
Better than living in fantasy land...but hey, everybody to their own
Good stuff 👍
We need more critical thinking about all this UAP “news”
The joke about changing the name of Uranus made me snort. lol
I'm happy to see Brian is just as immature as I am!
I'm Skeptical on the whole subject.
another lazy skeptic
@@thinkingallowed6485 zero proof. Zero.
If physicists did their jobs, they would figure out the building blocks that cause physics to exist. Then maybe we could talk about what we need to create warp drive physics.
Personally my rational mind tells me with out peer reviewed material evidence it’s nothing but hearsay, an anecdotes.
But my gut feeling, that primate primal sense of being watched in savanna by something greater and unknown is uncomfortably there whenever I think about this subject and that feeling can’t be measured or quantified and it can not be the proof of anything.
It's perfectly reasonable to trust thermal targeting optics and radar sensors for accurately targeting and killing people but suddenly in this case that kind of sensor data amounts to nothing since it's not peer-reviewed? Ooook
I’m broke so I can’t pay for podcasts BUT if I had any money rn this would be the one
If I were able to perceive, comprehend and express objective truth, I would want to do my best to engage in those pursuits. Unfortunately I fall short of being able to convince myself that I might be able to perceive, comprehend and express anything other than trivial facts.
All that is important is that I try to live a satisfying life and make an effort to support and allow all to live a satisfying life. Don't care UAP.
Interview Grusch and the ICIG guy who said Grusch's claims looked credible.. and then debunk.
What the... did you give him at the end? 😂
man i wish gene roddenberry was around to honestly explain where he came up with all the star trek tech and many of the stories. in particular the episode where an entire race moves so fast that u can’t see them, but u can hear them buzzing. -and from their perspective humans are standing still. it seemed like a simple episode storyline, but it was genius - get it … gene 😊😅
Good, I liked it...Nearly, the entire interview was very agreeable on both sides.. The only conflicts were, does such a phenomenon exist or not, and if so, why is there no smoking gun evidence in support of the claim.. Fair.. Still that's not the same as NO evidence.. Eliminating unsupported anecdotal reports, there are examples where multiple pilots had simultaneous visual observations, onboard sensors tracked and LOCKED on to the "object?", but that's not all.. Aboard ship the object was imaged on radar and observed by a sizeable number of airmen on the flight deck. .Such a string of collaborative interfaces rises above the merely anecdotal and it shouldn't arbitrarily be dismissed in my humble opinion. .All that said, I must agree with Bryan despite my own personal biases, it must not be taken to seriously by science BECAUSE Convincing verifiable evidence just isn't there!.... Yet.
Urectum... U damn near killed'em
So...Here's the change wrt evidentiary issues The Nimitz CSG incidents are a good example to lead with because they are a (relatively) new class of *multi messenger* accounts where upgraded technology (new radar) is corroborating pilot accounts along with systems video. Multi vessel systems integration is also having an impact on quality of data. It really doesn't matter what people believe or disbelieve anymore
Not happy with the oppressive constant labeling & lockouts of X!!! Luckily, You Tube is a a stable port in a storm.
fundamentally, you’ve never talked to someone who is actually doing the science. This is why I keep saying in the comments have on Dr. Kevin Knuth a professor of physics. Have you ever actually sat down and did the calculations? If you can tell me how we can get an airplane to 5000G in earths atmosphere I’m all ears.
An we're "skeptical" about any grown man without a mustache...
All excellent points!! 👍
Thanks
That Uranus joke. 😂😂😂I want to believe. Intelligence could be billions of years old. I wonder if they would find it funny, that I am regularly disappointed by "Big Balloon".
sure you are skeptical, if you havent seen it directly. Also asking the how to questions makes no sense, as we have to get our theories straight first. Logic only applies when you can clearly work on shit.
If you want to steel man an argument, ask the question: what is spacetime made of.
you don't know that any potential spacecraft "came from far away." The truth could be stranger than you can conceive. I'm not saying I believe Grusch (he seems like a fraud to me), but you KNOW almost nothing about any of this
Remember, kids: Trust, but *verify* !!!
Personally, I don't believe in the scientific method, and I have no faith in the scientific method, and yet... I absolutely *insist* on the scientific method!
Let the chips fall where they may... and then independently measure them every which way before comparing results!
Believers are going to believe, no matter what, so why waste time and effort changing their minds, eh? Well, unless you're having fun, but if that's the case, then at least be honest about it! ;-)
With all due respect, I don’t think you understand the entirety of Fravor’s story. It wasn’t just the 4 eyewitnesses physically seeing the object, it was observed by a multi sensory system. Finally, I think we should trust Fravor’s observations BC he is a trained observer, whose observations literally defend our country and keep he and his team literally alive.
The same way I would trust you, as a trained scientist, to understand the complexity and dangers of space. (Sorry if I got wrong)
Dr.Keating have you considered that the Bible is the best ufo book of all time?
I’m skeptical too. I think he believes himself and what he was told
I will pay 1billion$ for a fleck of paint and 10billion$ for a structural sample and 100billion$ for a propulsive unit if they test out as genuinely new ! And prepared to up the bids if other offers !!!!
What?
I feel there is some slight misrepresentation here.
To be fair, i thought Grusch was full of shit the first time i heard him open his mouth. I was in the military and I get the Vibes that he was the person everyone played pranks on lol. Everytime I see him I get the unexplainable urge to jump scare him😅
Agreed
Believing in a doctrine written by unknown authors thousands of years ago VS believing in known testimonies by credible witnesses and also known testimonies of people from all walks of life throughout the planet. I don’t see the similarities.
The "proof" is overwhelming 😅 oh you mean the blurry potato recording and the dead alien body that of course we only have a photo of 😂
Do you not know how military thermal targeting optics work? Of course it looks slightly smudgey, you're not seeing the actual object you're seeing the heat signature (set to white hot or black hot) and it's the primary tool by which the military conducts surveillance and targeting. You can trust it for those purposes (which involve killing people obviously, hence "targeting") but in this case it's suddenly no good??
Can't believe you wasted a minute of your life parading your ignorance to the world.
Brian, while I've enjoyed many of your intelligent, balanced, scientific discussions-but you've lost me at... "I hate fish." So, I'll leave you now forever with this... "The mind that opens to a new idea (and fish) never returns to its original size." - Albert Einstein
No way, someone is skeptical of David's claims?!
Must not have been on the skiff lol
Like the rest of us.
And Tom Delong……. Of ALL people….
“We need to tell the world the truth. We need Tom Delong.”
No one else has more qualifications basically.
🙄🤦♂️🤢
Tom Delong was basically the last live podcast Rogan ever did. Spooky!!
@@tychostation2423 interesting…..🤔
Nanotechnology is out of our reach especially combining consciousness control
I'm starting to not believe Aliens exist all together. Not that I believe they exist now because I don't know rather or not they do.
Are we really still talking about Grusch? Ohboy.
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Caveat Emptor here, im in your comment section...💚💜🤘♒️🌎🦉🌑👽🤖👁🌈🦄
Grusch only interviewed people who reported it. Thats it. You act like he was direct witness. The reports documented are from credible sources and were classified for a reason. Grusch was only sharing these reports. I swear scientist like this have such great egos to think they know everything. Maybe these beings have always been here. There are too many witnesses and videos. Granted videos are not full spectrum data driven measurements but should still be held to a standard of belief based on source.
Nothing was debunked. Literally nothing.
i think Fravor is lying too …
Brian’s comments seem a bit naive to me .
He just believe they’re ballon’s.
Brian is a very conflicted soul.
What a way to come to a conclusion by saying I’m smarter than u so I know what’s going on. Dude u don’t
Lost the nobel prize, well there you go.. with your arguments you will never win anything
BIG ASTRONOMY 🤣
First, you cannot be speaking as a scientist, doing science, because you have no evidence one way or the other, because you haven't the clearance or the need to know. So let's dispense with that.
Debunking isn't part of the scientific method, either. It is an emotional response cloaked in logical appearance.
Third, you make a living discussing things that are indirectly observed. The last person who should be making negative aspersions and character destruction is such a person.
Having doubts is fine, making conclusions, at this point is immature.
I like Brian but I’ve never seen a more closed minded scientist.
He seems to be similar to Neal degrass
I don’t believe Dr Greer at all.
I still don’t understand the sentiment, “the alien spacecrafts appear when we get trigger happy with nukes.” A nuke is like turning on a lightbulb in a room of 2 billion lightbulbs when considering the backdrop of the sun. How would they even notice? They’d have to already be in our solar system. It’s more likely posturing occurring between rival countries or at a minimum that seems more plausible. I dunno. Am i rambling?! 😅
How would they not already be in the solar system?
@@mestanley1753 we are layman. We couldn’t determine the acceleration and speed of a car without a speedometer. Or at the very least, we’d need to know the distance and time traveled and all we could get is average speed.
Somehow a bunch of layman watch a grainy video of a tic tac, with no reference frames, and make claims like “breaking physics.” We don’t know enough to make those claims.
The idea of aliens in our solar system is friggin exciting!! It’s just not the most likely scenario. At least not yet.
@tychostation2423 I'm not arguing the veracity of the claims. I'm saying if they were here they would certainly be in the solar system and be aware of our nuclear capabilities and tendencies.
It shouldn't be presumed that nuclear signatures would he the cause of their awareness either. There are several other methods we ourselves could posit and who knows about methods that we just might not be able to understand at our current state of development.
That’s a fair scenario. They didn’t notice the nukes from outside the solar system. They were here when they first noticed them.
Maybe some drone swarms have magnetic shells capable of field reversal, plus optical camouflage, and the only drone we saw out there was the tic tac getting thrown about with seemingly no propulsion system by many multiples of similar drones. It’s def fun to speculate. Unfortunately my imagination can only go as far as the next layman.
Keating is way off base here. Narrow-minded approach.
Finally someone questioning reality
This guy is just a shill for Big Podcast lol!
These smart ass skeptics just like to brush multi-mode evidence under the carpet.
what amazes me is how much time some people spend on trying to convince people why "it's not possible" or "it can't be true" instead of trying to assist with the disclosure effort.
Your opinion on this does not matter in any way. Let's hear what else Grusch and his team have to say first
Why does a physicists opinion not matter here? It was a physicists work that was forwarded by Congressman Burchett during the initial Grusch hearing. Spacetime metrics or something. I forget the title of the paper. Did you disregard that as well?
'skeptical'? allow me: he's full of crap 😂
Lazy skeptic.
I’ve been skeptical of grusch since day 1. He’s just too…….
“Willing” and “chipper” about it all. He strikes me as a plant.
a plant willing to go to prison for lying under oath to Congress?
@@RoadPirateFilms yep.
@@Gojiraa666 😂
"Water your plants with leaks" - the CIA
Grusch could definitely be leading people AWAY from the truth but at this point it's so hard to find what's real and what's not
I don't think the Greeks put any emphasis on your anus. Which is a thing Uranus should smite when invoked as such. Joking(?) aside, all evidence so far from observation from our best instruments.. we are alone. I lean towards slime universe, with exceedingly rare complex macro life, and orders of magnitude more rare intelligent life, and yet further still more rare technologically advanced life with the ability and/or willingness to interact with others. My money is on one "us" per galactic supercluster per 13 billion years.
Regardless of the Ufo question, is science just concensus? I mean gravity? Says who? Who's concensus and evidence decides what's believable?
Who has access to LIGO? Why would anyone who doesn't understand this contraption believe that it detected "gravity" waves? Again, who's concensus decided there were gravity waves and what evidence did they rely on? Remember math is not evidence.
To then cite faith and personal experience as somehow less valid than science when "scientists" got funds for LIGO? Unbelievable double standard.
Peer review testing claps all “it’s science because it consensus”. In fact science is usually against the common consensus. Look at how ideas are tested. They look to see independent test arrive at the same answers.
There is two LIGO if not three coming on line. And it only when they all observe the same event that they find G waves. Math is a language than shows relationships between thing. It has real power. And it’s our metrology that is getting so good that improved the data. I feel like you’re a novice in the physic field and going through the early stages of being skeptical. Which is the right mindset. But be careful to hold an idea and then find things to support your conclusion. Thats not science.
@@nathanroberson The ideas of science are different from politics. The Laws of physics are not the same as the Laws of Congress. The test of ideas in physics require measuring devices. The test of ideas in Congess takes time and requires good oversight to insure accurate reporting.
As I reiterate, who's concensus and evidence? It matters who is deciding and judging. How it's decided and judged usually depends on who. Measuring devices that are unreliable are discovered how and by who?
@@nathanroberson Language can be used to lie. Math is a "language" because it is based on logic too. Just because Math is logical does not mean it cannot lead to error.
Language can be used to literally say anything. Lies, contradictions, impossibilities, paradoxes. Language has a word called ignorance. While you can't know exactly what it is you don't know, you can...believe that you are ignorant of most things. You can even believe that there are unknown things that it may never be possible to know: the unknowable. What a word! Still not as ..puzzling a word as God.
Gravity? Another thought in a Universe of words. Math too is belief.
@@kallianpublico7517 are you a anti science person? Is that what is behind your science FUD?
i don't love it when materialists abuse religious terms and concepts, respectfully half of this clip, all your talk of faith is an outsider's perspective, find better analogies
What you say is not exactly correct. Take care of things that you already understand little about and don't stray into topics you don't know at all. Who told you to talk such nonsense?
Grusch has nothing to bring into the conversation. Second hand hearsay doesn't mean anything.
As you should be. If anything, David Grusch is guilty of plagiarism as his story is almost a carbon copy of the X-Files season 1.
Lol dude you dont know more about this topic than grusch so stop hating an get out your feelings lol "so were just gonna believe him" uhh ya meny other important people believe him an meny other credible people lol your just a hater flat out 😂
You don’t know what you are talking about Brian! You don’t know even the simple factual details of what you are describing… or, you are ignoring in your narrative…
Are you working here? Do you have a clearence?
Dude's bullshitting. Seems obvious.
Yeah, he's not even a very good actor.
UNsubscribed
I never liked Brian. I feel he's fake and putting up a persona for CZcams views
Lost all respect for you as a rational thinker.
Brian is empty inside
.. anyone looking closely enough at the footage provided as proof can see that they are ducks .. a few ducks flying across over waters .. can even see their wings flapping .. what a dumb Air Force pilot .. and dumber whistleblowers