The First Heir is attempting to raise Enkanomiya | Teyvat's Creation EXPLAINED Genshin Impact Theory
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- In this Genshin Impact Theory I explore the scene just after completing Genshin Impact's Mondstadt Archon questline which to me has seemed… obscure… or forgotten… left largely unexplored or maybe even ignored by many despite what appears to be the statement of one of our siblings primary objectives. That being The return of her homeland. We've now had 18 months of context clues which have painted that scene, AND the Gnostic Chorus in a totally different light.
#Enkanomiya #Byakuyakoku #TheGnosticChorus #Aether&Lumine
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The cut scene for the 'Gnostic Chorus' does not change if one is playing Lumine as the MC. The first heir is still the girl and the second is the boy. Because of that there are theories that the heirs are not our twins. Granted, it could be an oversight, but this company pays so much attention to details that it seems unlikely.
yesss.. n the one bout dain n lumine romance too is a lie as lumine n aether are both canon mc as confirmed by the dev so if we pick lumine will dain say that bout aether.. it just doesnt make sense.. he is talking bout his beloved but not lumine but i think it may be gold as gold is kinda corrupted n needed saving so it ties well where he say defeat me n show me that u are worthier than i to save her as lumine does not need saving like she is not forced to join the abyss but she willingly did that but gold on the other hand plus gold and dain exist in the same time in khaenriah
@XymEow i dont think thats the case as it would not make sense for players who chose lumine as mc..... aether was depicted as mc for promotional purposes as the dev confirmed it... if lumine is the canon abyss sibling.... doesnt that destroy the lore for players who chose lumine
@XymEow yaa i guess... but i kinds find it hard to say that the travellers are from tevyat n stufff as mentioned in this theory as they travelled from world to world n aether also said the sky in his world or quote planet is greenish in colour
@@waifulover1538 I chose lumine as my mc, but aether still feels like the cannon mc lmao
@@GalderaVG feeling n confirmation are seperate... like u may feel aether is the mc but mihoyo said both are mc so yea
got me hooked on this theory, information is hidden right in front of everyone. i like it, it's more elegant if the heirs in the gnostic chorus are the travelers...
I didn't think Gnostic Chorus is about the siblings for one simple reason - there's no variants for each. Mihoyo bothers with variants when siblings are in cutscenes so it's definitely not about them.
@@Gnidel Well, the Gnostic Chorus seems to be Venti telling a story rather than being historically accurate, so why would he retell the same story with the siblings' roles swapped? There are bound to be some things that aren't entirely true. And sure, the term "gnostic" could be referring to knowledge, but it could just as easily be referring to the 7 gnoses possessed by the archons of Teyvat.
@@randomperson8375 I am with Gnidel on this one. The story that Venti tells seems to have taken place before the twins arrived.
@@Zarozian it's alright to have that interpretation of it, I just don't think the story is meant to be entirely accurate. There are very clear parallels between the Gnostic Chorus and Genshin's story, but there is plenty of room for interpretation.
Im always curious about the contradictions of the missing sibling's character from what he/she said when he/she wakes up the traveler 500 years ago and when they meet in the "we will be reunited" quest. The sibling was so eager to wage war against "destiny" in the quest but when the sibling wakes the traveler, the first thing he/she said is that they should leave Teyvat.
In the quest, it sound like the sibling is so concerned about khaenriah, like he/she has connection to it, which is also kinda weird given that the twins are "aliens" to this world and shouldn't have any concerns to it AND it shows when the sibling said that "they should leave" back in 500 years ago.
As if the missing sibling is "tricked in to believing" that he/she is has connection to khaenriah 😏
More like they find out the truth that their civilization/homeland was originally from Teyvat and that they have a sense of duty to it.
Tbh I became a whole new person in the span of two years and I've seen mamy people change like crazy. Imagine 500 years- so yea- also if you spent 500 years with some people I'm pretty sure you'd feel a connection to them too lol idk
@@twig9433 Yeah, maybe during the aftermath of the fall, our twin met and made a lot of friends and connections with the previous inhabitants of Teyvat just as we did before a cataclysm happened and sent these nations we once knew underground. Like Mondstadt, Liyue, Inazuma, Sumeru, Fontaine, Natlan, Snezhnaya, all get buried only to be rediscovered again like how we did with Enkanomiya.
Imagine wandering through the ruins of Mondstadt like how we do with Enkanomiya today. How would you feel? How would you change? Would you come to the same conclusion as your twin?
@@Zarozian Maybe this is the direction miHoYo wants to bring the story. It would make sense, that the game is relatively peacful now with some darkness in the background. Maybe we are travelling between the nations and making friends whith some of the people of those nations, just to, at the end of the "Teyvat chapter", we could witness some kind of "second cataclism", the distruction of the countries and the death of some of our friends. This would very well fit into the writing style of the company, the lots of forshadowing and the significance of lost nations and civilizations, abandoned ruins and the cataclism -like events.
It would also make sense because this way we could live through similar events, feel what our sibling felt, and make our own decision with similar knowledge and experience they had.
@@Zarozian Right I don't think the traveler we pick knows the truth of this world yet and our siblings demand us to seek that truth. Tayvat has change considerably and the odds of "Celetia" might have punished the sibling by also taking/eroding those memories in some way.
But it's also implied that Reincarnation is a thing in this world so long are the soul/memories of the person stays together. The new Vesal can house that soul so long as enough of the person's mind exists...
I loved the initial analysis about the Primordial one and the shades, and the parallels to greek mythology, among other things. But I can't agree that the siblings in the BP trailer are the twins for these reasons (and the first 2 might be dismissed as embellishment of the story like you said, but the last can't):
- In the BP cutscene, is stated that the first heir was the girl, but we know by the Chinese and Japanese version that Aether is older, so he should have been the first heir
- in the BP, the corrupted heir becomes a Queen, while in the game Lumine is referred as a Princess by the Abyss Order
- while in the trailers, Mihoyo always picks Aether as the MC and Lumine as the Abyss Twin for consistency, within the game the cutscenes vary depending on who the player picked, yet the BP cutscene doesn't.
That said, good video. A lot of this will probably still apply to whoever ends up being featured in the BP
The "Queen" might be the Abyss Order's leader, after all Lumine/Aether were called prince/princess meaning they have one of the highest ranks but they aren't the ones leading or the ones who established the Abyss Order
Historia, I really appreciate the work you put behind these theories.
It’s clear you take your time with these without rushing them!
Also your story-telling skills are honestly unparalleled
3:00 Tartarus is the Greek equivalent of hell , not Hades . Hades is where almost all the dead go (unless the person in question is promoted to godhood upon death like Heracles , they cannot ascend to olympus. Hades does include tormenting the dead who wronged the gods , like Theseus and Pirithus or Tantalus ,Sisyphus , etc , but it's not only a place of torment , there's also just dead people hanging out with no hellfire ) I think this also makes sense from a world building perspective , since celestia can only be reached by those who are promoted to godhood
The kingdom of Hades was the place of the dead, Tartarus was where ferocious monsters and horrible criminals were banished, or where the gods imprisoned their rivals after a war. Tartarus is beneath Hades.
Actually, let me go further into detail.
Hades is the gloomy, misty realm of the Underworld where the majority of souls were believed to go after death - those were neither heroic nor blasphemous and wicked. It is quiet and dim, mostly rock, shadow and mist, though asphodel flowers are quite common. Within Hades were the Asphodel Fields, likely comprising the region where those who were initiated into Persephone’s Eleusinian Mysteries resided when they died.
Tartarus, on the other hand, is the deepest recess of the Underworld, formed by the primordial of the same name. Tartarus was envisioned as a stormy realm rather than fiery (except for where the River Phlegethon flowed). It housed the wicked and blasphemous souls who had offended the gods, committed blood crimes etc. The Tartarean Pit is the deepest level of Tartarus and is the gaol of the Titans and other monsters imprisoned by the gods, guarded by the Hecatonchires. It is a pit assailed by storms, and all the rivers of the Underworld eventually empty into the pit.
I theorized the same but I realized that it dont work out well... The traveler cant read the ancient Enkanomiyan letters. which most likely are the same letters we see spread out across Teyvat. If the Traveler originally came from Enkanomiya, you would think they would be able to read and write that language... But they cant.
But the traveler’s memories and power were sealed by the unknown god.
@@irisamanda3922 So? Im not sure why that matter?
@@Sakuyamon is the travelers memories and power are sealed it could easily explain why she can’t read the language from Enkanomiya, because she doesn’t remember it.
@@irisamanda3922 only the travelers powers are "sealed"...they still remember everything that they are supposed to be able to remember. Technically the powers arent sealed, they seem to have been removed and with each element we gain, their power return.
@@Sakuyamon except the Traveler can read the text on the tablets at Dragonspine so obviously they can read the ancient language. Maybe not Enkonamia but they can read the ancient symbols from before celestia. So kinda blows your dismissal out of the water🤷♀️
The theory kind of breaks down if you pick Lumine tho. The book doesn’t change to describe a prince, the battlepass cutscene doesn’t change either and most importantly it would not make sense for Dain to say the same if he traveled with Aether. Aether doesn’t have any association with flowers.
as a female, i feel Lumine being playable serves the audience more then it serves the story line. would feel bad for me not be able to chose sex of my character, cause many games come this feature, it would be a kick off for me....
@@Hyperflow I can see where you're coming from, but the devs have confirmed the fact that Lumine is just as canon to the story as Aether multiple times by now. Besides, an option that doesn't line up with the lore of the game wouldn't be added. There's no point to it.
Right but the thing is, Hoyoverse/Mihoyo doesn't make two copies of their videos with both the canon male and female mc in their official CZcams channel. They use merely only Aether for obviously, consistency though that still wouldn't imply that the line Dain spoke at the end of the Teyvat Travail trailer wouldn't have any association with Aether but rather he, is possibly not even referring to the Twins at all but perhaps someone else.
@@qu0r4
To be fair, for the amount of times they've claimed she's just as canon as Aether they actually don't really follow through with their claim. They still mostly portray her as the abyss princess on their channel, which is unfortunate because I want to see more abyss prince.
maybe they will change the dialogues like they did with Sacaramouche
Hmm alright. So the Sunchildren happened after the Byakoku fell into the abyss and became Enkanomiya so they wouldn't have clothing like what they once had on the surface since they didn't even have fire until after the last generation who remembers the sun died off and they didn't have the tower of light until way after that. So there is no way the Sunchild would recognize the clothing.
Also, I don't believe Enkanomiya/Byakoku is their homeland, but rather a civilization created while their homeland was still present in Teyvat, perhaps the First Throne. We don't really know what happened to the First Throne though and whether or not it sank below Teyvat or if it was banished from Teyvat by the Second Throne Celestia. As for Enkanomiya, I think it's just a smaller piece of a larger nation rather than the actual/literal homeland of Aether and Lumine.
When they say "Return your homeland to Teyvat" this probably means they were here from the beginning but why then were the twins traveling from world to world and why then would the Sustainer stop the two siblings and make them stay if not to realize this truth that their civilization and homeland were originally from here but banished by the Second Throne?
Wouldn't this mean that there's a larger and more grander conflict happening between the First and Second Throne if the First and Second refers to different civilizations? The Twins being from the First Throne/Civilization that originally defeated the Dragon Sovereigns, terraformed the land, and then brought humans here?
Their homeland isn’t from this world but one that was already destroyed, perhaps you may have heard about two games having a connection.
@@deathwingthedestroyer3632 its my opinion but i think the travellers may be from honkai or idk
@@deathwingthedestroyer3632 Anything that is human or humanoid isn't from this world basically. But being part of the First Throne I am guessing our sibling learned of the real history of Teyvat. I know about the events in Honkai lining up with the stuff that happens in Genshin with the new Chapter 28 and with Otto's death as well as the new APHO 2. But that's not relevant to this theory.
@@Zarozian True but they haven’t known anything about the planet Teyvat resides in and by the time the did land on Teyvat the Archons were already a thing as seen with Barbatos’ giant statue in Mondstat. Plus the Abyss doesn’t exactly know if Celestia is from beyond but it’s more so a theory they concocted, therefore the abyss twin might not know.
@@deathwingthedestroyer3632 honkai impact previous era i presume you are talking about
interesting theory but Before Sun And Moon implied that Byakuyakoku was part of a single unified civilization of mankind, and nowhere did it imply that it was the kingdom of heavens. Also important is that the Gnostic chorus is based on an actual text from Gnosticism called the Hymn of the Pearl. Based on the way the Chorus is narrated, I think that the events described it in is purely metaphorical (heirs as twins, kingdom of darkness being Khaenriah/Teyvat, etc) and not a direct order of things that actually happened
I love your work, TH, but there are some holes and inconsistencies with this theory that need to be addressed. There are many points against the Abyss sibling being the first heir. For one, the Gnostic Chorus refers to the first heir as a queen, not a princess. Second, having in mind that Aether may the Abyss sibling introduces issues. The Gnostic Chorus is the same regardless of the sibling you choose as is the story of Princess Mina. It would have also made more sense for Dainsleif to use a neutral “they” in the Travail trailer.
I don't think that the twins are the ones from the vattlepass trailer
1. Aether does not mention anything about being a prince that could be just him hiding stuff but his personality also doesn't match the image of a prince
2. If the twins are the heirs of the now fallen Kingdom then that would mean they haven't really left the world of teyvat at all, which contrast with the lore that twins have travelled through multiple worlds and that their homeland was destroyed and many worlds that they went to. Also Aether mentions that the world they belong to has sky that's more greenish in color when he sees venti
3. From th vattlepass cutscene we know that the second heir left after the first was lost but, we know that the twins haf been together until the Sustainer seperated them as they were leaving teyvat
4. The twin's arrival and attempt at leaving the world would also break from their goal of finding the Genesis pearl suggesting that they're from other world
5.uf they were supposed to be on this mission to find the Genesis pearl then how come only lumine k ow of the mission while Aether has no idea about it
6.uts not just lumine both twins refer to themselves as outlanders from another world
I think rhe lines from both Dain and the first heir ( hypothetically lumine) about fadding memories might suggest that both gave been affected by some sorta erosion just like the Archons
The Genesis pearl what if it's similar to a God's Gnosis but which belonged to the Primordial one
nice i too think the siblings are from another world possibly honkai i guess but mayne another one.. but its clear that the world where the twins are from is technologicallly advanced as they have the ability to travelled from worlds plus they refered to world as planets
(as said by mc when barbara woke us up as we were knocked out by signora) and barbara doesnt know what planets means either.... its safe to say that their world was techologicalllly super advanced
@@waifulover1538 yes and their method of traveling through world is also sus since we know that they arrived in meteors yet when they wanted to leave they flew and walked up there
I love this theory, in honkai y find so similarities with ancient mythology and in tears of themis the relation is very obvious, mythology from different cultures are used in investigations and events, Mihoyo bases a lot of story in such myths
So happy you're putting out extremely high quality lore videos. There is really no other channel that dives as deep as yours and I always look forward to these!!!
Editing those two Graphs must’ve taken you Ages Historia… I can only imagine.
Great job btw, it’s a great video
Watching this video after Sumeru release and after playing the last archon quest makes many things more understandable. But at the same time there are more questions with no answers. I really like this video. It really helped me to make everything clearer.
It's tough to make a theory that Traveler = 1st heir for all the reasons known since v1.0, but the Dainsleif quest added more reasons (Sibling does not appear to have memory loss) and so did Inazuma's recent quest (Miko says Traveler has no ambition which appears to rule out being sent on a mission or seeking any pearl) and legends from Enkanomiya (Primordial One is now best candidate for the king in the Gnostic Chorus cut scene making the heirs shades). The line by the Abyss mage seems more likely to be talking about Khaenri'ah since we know that's where the Abyss Order all comes from and Sibling is a prince of the Order, therefore perhaps of Khaenri'ah. But the biggest problem with the theory here is that it means the Traveler isn't fundamentally Traveling anywhere and Teyvat is their homeworld. We have lore saying their homeworld was destroyed (that sword free with PS5 was it?) I can see it would be neat to have Celestia=2nd throne => thrones are floating islands => 1st throne was, and Enkanomiya used to fly => Enka is 1st throne but 1st throne is much earlier than humans created. You might almost as well go whole hog and say the twins are shades. I don't see how this theory helps address any of the well known problems with identifying Twins as the heirs.
I love that you are back doing thus after so long been wating
I personally think that the Throne of the Heavens was some sort of vehicle Phanes used to travel between worlds.
And I also think that humans also originated from another world and were brought over by Phanes. Because the first emergence of humans in Teyvat is called the 'Opening of the Ark' and an Ark is commonly referred to as a vehicle to preserve something from extinction.
So we might assume that humans had to leave their previous world and seek out another home. And Phanes was the one sent out to find a suitable place and prepare it.
After all, it was stated that Phanes' main drive was to see humanity prosper.
Thank You for this Lovely theory!
been here for than a year now & i missed these theories!
I'm SO glad you're finally back to making quality videos about Genshin lore! I seriously considered unsubscribing to your channel because I could no longer afford to watch generic gameplay streamings and Lost Ark content. Unlike most viewers, who insult the streamer's mother if he dares to not publish new content every 5 minutes, I'm fine if you don't have new content for weeks or even months, but I started feeling you had irreversibly replaced lore content for gameplay content. I'm glad I was wrong.
I am glad as well. He'll finally reach 100k subs with these new theory videos.
lore/theory content can take a lot more time to research and produce than gameplay content, especially if its just one person or a small group working on it (I'm not sure what the case is for this channel), so I think it's reasonable to fill in some of that time with gameplay videos. I understand where you're coming from though, I only really watch the lore videos too lol
@@randomperson8375 Fair enough. You may be a random person, but your comment was very deterministic. :D
Teyvat Historia is just one person doing this a side project - he is not a full-time, professional streamer. Perhaps I was a bit too harsh on my original comment.
Yeah he’s just one person, who also has a full-time job, who loves unwinding Genshin lore and theory but also needs some time to relax and enjoy other games he’s loved for years once in awhile :) This channel is still his main passion though, the reason his theory videos are so dang good is because they take a lot of time and effort to put together. Cant wait for the next one following this! ❤️
@@nineteenbeans6219 no doubt about that! The way he predicted things earlier on was incredible. And, in my opinion, his theory about the Tsaritsa's ultimate goal still holds correct in spite of all the new content.
Love these videos. Good job!
I am onboard with this theory except one portion: the assumption that Lumine *is* the first heir. Unless otherwise retracted by Hoyoverse that both Aether and Lumine are canon MC, any key visuals and references changes depending on the player’s selected MC. However, the Gnostic Chorus shows that the first heir is female and second heir is male regardless of chosen MC.
Considering the fact spirits in Teyvat could split and potentially manifest themselves independently, or possess another character, I’d like to think that there is a possibility that the Sibling was possessed by a portion of the first heir’s spirit, the other portions could be materialized as Paimon. Or since Genshin also likes playing with the rule of threes, perhaps Aether, Lumine, and Paimon are shades of the heir.
wait wait, I have a theory. Aether and Lumines grandparents were the king and queen of khanre'ah and then they felt it became dangerous for their child/children or the parents of Lumi and Aether to live there in teyvat. So they sent them to travel to another world, which can explain why the siblings can do that, being able to travel between time and space not aging. That means Dain could see their grandparents in them, and then he senses the familiarity of their past family etc. That means that the flower that was shown in the trailer and the flower that Lumi has was passed down from generation. But there's also kaeya being the prince of khanre'ah, you may ask how that works. Kaeya and the traveller are most likely from different time lines, khanre'ah is most likely over 500 years old and because the "Former" king and queen had no more descendants they would need a new royal family, either someone with a lot of power or a blood relative, and that's where kaeyas mother comes inn, the characters in this game most likely get their appearance from the parent of the same gender, diluc resembles his father and Ayaka and her mother. There's a high chance that Kaeya took after his father, and so that means the mother could have the same blond hair as the twins. And because his mother was a royal that means his family was noble and could become the new royal family. Of course, if you don't believe me then I do not see how that is my problem, and I would not send this if I had no proof. ^^ This is just a theory anyway, and I found out this theory while resinless so I might be wrong and I might be correct, we are still in the early game so we just need to wait to know the real answer.
There is still some stuff I'm not sold on here but it is good for thought! It has me at least thinking about more possibilities. Thanks for the theory, it's very well made. EDIT: Also, something worth noting is that Alice also called Aloy an Outlander.
Great and super fun to watch video
I believe after Venti woke up and saw how things had changed for the worse in Teyvat, he called upon the Travelers using Istaroth’s power. That’s been my theory since I read the sundials/astrolabes in Mondstadt forever ago. He prob teamed up with all the other archons to give up their gnoses to the Tsaritsa to take down Celestia together but wanted to make it seem like it wasn’t on purpose as to not alert the Heavenly Principles.
Been a while since we’ve had a theory! Thanks, TH!
these theories are so interesting
The first civilization that first throne established was one unified culture.vso think one language, one religion, and one belief.
Now the sustainer was very clear on her despise of "human" arragonce. And was addressing the twin as "outlanders"..
We already learn from the new lore that all human are outlanders. So now the sustainer speech align with this theory.
Sustainer refer to the twin as outlanders, as she refer to all human. Not because these two are exactly from outside Tyvat.
This imply that the sustainer doesn't consider herself an outlander, even though both first thrones and second thones are outlanders.. does that mean the sustainer pre date the first thrones?
Or perhaps she belongs to first thrones, but the Primodial one just brought humans from another world and established them in Tyvat, and the sustainer is just a force of the ley lines and well aware of that, and she's a force of balance that prevent the world from destruction if humans overstep their mortal authority? So she's not exactly with the first thrones, or second throne, but just a watcher over humanity?
what about when the traveler tell venti that his eyes are the color of the skies in the travelers homeland? teyvats sky is not the same color as ventis eyes, and neither is enkonomiya. What does this mean?
The traveler also tells Paimon that the stars in Teyvat are not the same as in their ( the siblings ) world
Technically speaking, Enkanomiya has no sky, being exiled to the depths below Teyvat's Overworld. If Byakuyakoko was indeed, the Twin's former homeland then perhaps the Traveler was referring to the sky's color they saw when Byakuyakoko was still in the skies
@@samsikora4844 But some time ago in the meteor event, I forgot his name, scara something (One of the harbingers) mentioned that the sky of teyvat or at least the stars are fake. Meaning there is still a chance for it to be true.
@@gettothelantern7852 scaramouche
Have you forgotten that you can choose which of the traveler is the main character a the start of the game? This video is all assuming you picked Aether as the main character.
yes i have to agree ... but the theory where tevyat historia said bout romance between lumine and dain doesnt make too much sense as lumine is not the actual canon abyss sibling as it depends on which mc u choose.. so does romance between aether n dain make sense if u pick lumine as mc
If you look at all of Mihoyo’s videos, they have Aether as the main character. They haven’t officially declared him “the main character” but they’re kinda presenting him as the main character XD You can just flip it around in your head if you want to.
@@nineteenbeans6219 but still if for those who pick lumine as mc does romance between dain n aether makes sense lol
@@nineteenbeans6219 btw in an interview mihoyo said both mc are canon so it depend in who u choose as the mc.. its like if aether is meant to be the canon mc why bother letting people choosing over the travellers as that would affect the story
@@nineteenbeans6219 They choose Aether as the MC for their promotional material but that doesn't change the fact both are canon depending on which you chose, that's been confirmed by hoyoverse.
The stuff that's inside the game changes depending on which you pick so when there's text about someone and their gender is the same both if you choose Lumine or Aether as MC then that someone is not one of the travelers.
you have me so hooked on this theory! you might just be right!
Great vids, very well thought out lore
Amazing work. I'm subbed now
love ur videos
Interesting note: even though one of the Sunchildren said that the Traveler's clothing style is new to them, the Sunchildren's caretaker, who outlived then all, claims to have seen someone that dressed like the Traveler a long time ago.
Indeed. A fact I’ll be covering in part 2 heh.
100k congrats
The snake and the pearl.....orobashi protecting watatsumi island!!! The shell of the clam is watatsumi islands top layer and the tainted pearl is enkanomiya.....OMGG
Can't wait for next part 😋
I came here just for an ease of mind, and now is a world at war. Keep creating theory man appreciate it
I can't wait for the second part!!
I remember one of the things about our Traveler (whoever we pick), was that in that intro we had just come out of stasis for some reason or another. Our Traveler is by design not as familiar with the world as our sibling in more than one way; with the other also rising from the Unknown God's attack some 500(?) (I don't remember exactly, I just know it was at least centuries) Years apart. Your point about fading memories may also be why Our Traveler knows nothing but the last moments during Khaenri'ah's ruin.
That unicorn segment really solidified my faith in your theories
loved the candy mountain drop!!!!! best video yet
yes new video of sir teyvat historia
Amazing video
lumine is not the one dain mention as she and aether are canon mc as the dev confirmed meaning if she was the one dain mention then y do we get the option to choose between travellers... like wouldnt that mess up the lore of the abyss sibling with dain... like for people who chose lumine would dainsleif said the same thing bout aether....... n its kinda hard but i dont understand where are the travellers from.. like they travelled from world to world so their homeland in tevyat doesnt make sense...i think they might be from honkai like in honkai there was a project named project Ark which i think is a reference from the bible.. where we can see dvalin clearly there meaning people from honkai knows bout tevyat ... it wouldnt suprise me that the world in honkai in the future will be destroyed n the travellers are the last survivors
Something you missed that might hurt this theory, there was some dialogue in the world quests that talked about Enkanomiya being Khaenri'ahan, but being isolated for so long they developed their own culture. One npc is also surprised to see MC because they didn't think there was a way down to Enkanomiya, which would mean the only time anyone left Enkanomiya would have been after Watatsumi had been established. Thus the traveller couldn't have been from there. Unless they left before the fall I suppose, but I'm thinking the timeline of events might not line up unless Aether and Lumine are ageless.
Instead of lumine, the princess and prince of the Gnostic Chorus looks more like the Beta version of the twins, Kate and Kevin Kaslana. AS a matter of fact that black clothing the princes is using is eerily similar to the one Kate used, except that Kate uses a version that is more in line with traveling, instead of full blown royal garments.
The cutscene from Gnostic Chorus does not talk about the twins. It says that the woman that got deceived went on to become the "Queen", while Lumine is clearly referred to as "Princess" when we reunite with her.
Given how you essentially recapped the Theogany of Greek Mythology and compared it to the history of Teyvat, I'm surprised that you never mentioned a certain lesser known branch of the divine family tree. While Chaos, Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros seem to have come relatively independently of one another, Chaos is recorded as having two direct children: Erebus (Darkness) and Nyx (Night). Where things get _really_ fun is Erebus and Nyx's children (please forgive the divine incest); _Aether_ and his _twin sister_ Hemera (Day).
Including this into the Teyvat side, you basically get Aether and Lumine being about as old if not a little older than Teyvat itself. Before Celestia ever existed, and _long_ before the Archons. At the same time, this would be around the formation of the original Byakuyakoku, which is convenient since that's what was proposed as where they'd be from. Given that Lumine's name comes from the Latin word for light, it wouldn't be too surprising if a Greek counterpart had a different name.
I bet the developers are having fun seeing youtubers make theories about their game.
Aight lemme put on my thinking cap so i can see where your theory and mine overlap 🤓
I've been so curious about your thoughts on the three realms event so this was perfectly timed!
Edit: okay i see what you're getting at with Paimon...
I really hope she's not the serpent but is actually either a guobafied God of time or like her daughter bc I don't want such a cliche "travel companion betrays us" ending 😭
Then again it could be both, she's the first heir who was brainwashed into giving the traveler misinformation!
Great video and I'm looking forward to the next one too!
With the Recent Daibslief story quest. This is disproven.
The Sibling is lookin to restore Kheanriah.
You’re explaining Greek mythology for Genshin lore but I’m just realizing how much more sense Persona makes now
Wooooo it’s finally here!
travelers guide to make your own celestia from the original celestia.
🌸😼I must admit you never fail to get the noggin racing, and I am always left with an abundance of question post an upload!😼🌸
its hard to say but lumine n aether might be either the children of phanes or istaroth.. but the theory where tevyat historia said bout romance between lumine and dain doesnt make too much sense as lumine is not the actual canon abyss sibling as it depends on which mc u choose.. so does romance between aether n dain make sense if u pick lumine as mc.. as genshin official said that both are canon mc
Aether fans stay winning
They literally have nothing to do with Teyvat, they come from an entirely different universe.
@@deathwingthedestroyer3632 yes they might be from honkai i think
Going along with this video's claims that they are from this plane of existence, I have doubts that Orphic mythology would be the path to go and think Hesiod's interpretation is more likely. Why? Because Hesiod's Theogany has Aether with a twin sister, while the Orphic telling has Aether with two brothers. Aether and his twin sister -Lumine- *Hemera* were the children of Erebus and Nyx, who were also Chaos's direct children. This puts our two protagonists _absurdly early_ in this video's version of Teyvat's history, but also from right around the time of the original Byakuyakoku, where the video claims they were originally from.
This is too badass of a theory. I LOVE THIS
Well... I remembered of an npc who says "Judging by your clothes, you are not of Biayouyakuku"
This theory is nice :)
hey!!!! in the recent enkonomia quest, when we were talking to the lector, he said that the others, are busy attending to "her hihgness". i have taken lumine as the sibling so does that mean that abyss sibling works under someone or is it just poor translation. a really intrestinggg thing i found in the quest!!!!
Probably just poor translation. I remember in early quest lines everyone in the game kept referring to my traveler (lumine) as "he" due to poor translations. This is probably just the same issue.
@@dark_selaphiel imagine if it was intentional!! 🔥🔥🔥
Well done
12:33 Oh. My. Gosh. I have not seen that in years…maybe 15 years? It was around middle school in the 2000s, the early days of CZcams.
Fascinating
Here's a theory why both twins are still considered canonical choices from HoYoverse for Genshin's story. Time can be changed if you plant a new "seed" or reality into the past. Lumine was the first to walk this path but what if Aether interceded in her fate.... This is why Aether seems so sad when Lumine finds him and Dani in the story quest. While Lumine is Angry with Danis' and demands Aether to seek the truth of this world. But even if Aether intercedes to save Lumin he still failed to save his lands and Teyvat despite his hope to change things, He simply replaced Lumin's role in history. That's why Dani also refers to Aether as his travelling companion in the quest if you pick Lumine as the sleeping twin we play as and doesn't have any history with Lumine that Dani can remember. When as the player we meet for the first time he scrutinizes both Twins the same way. And Why Aether needs Lumine to learn the truth of this world has her history has been erased but not forgotten.
The echoes of a past timelines are still captured by Tayvets leylines and these stories of old are still passed down, the way the Sacred Sakura in Inazuma was born from Ei intervention and plated into the past, but Also existed since before time in immemorial to all others that never bore witness to its creation. The leylines remember both the trees existence and none existence.
I finally have a reason the believe the Gnostic Chorus is about our twins. And Venti as a child of wind and time knows the original story regardless of reality is taken by our twin choice. Because Both twins know this story. HoYo has been very consistent with the generating of the twin when speaking about them EXCEPT when it comes to the Gnostic Chorus in-game. But this history/story is always true no matter the path as players take.
The laws of the "HoYoverse" are coming into play that have been outlined in Honkai Impact. Again you don't have to know Honkai story the same way you don't have to watch all the MCU movies and media to know that all the movies share the same universe and rules in it. But they share this connective tissue. It's fitting they rebranded with this chapter in Genshin. Hu Tao story quest also hinted at this shared universe's rules as well. 😉
It’s probably just my incredulously poor eyesight (and I love your videos so much) but if you were to use dark font color in an already dark background, it’s kinda difficult to read some notes you made. If you could apply what you did in the bottom (semitransparent white bg) to the rest of the image, it’ll be more readable. I’m just one person but I’m struggling sometimes with some CZcams videos not that disabled friendly(in which I’m not saying yours is). Nevertheless, great theory! I’ve talked (dare I say screamed?) some similar things you’ve mentioned to my friends before! That was fun!
Don’t mind my rambling, I was just watching this on my small ass phone (I’m in the hospital so I can’t really switch screens).
Cant wait for more lore for this story
First off. Both travelers Ather and Lumine are Gods or Higher beings from another world. They dont have a connection to Teyvat or the abyss or any of the ancient civilizations when they arrive. The abyss sibling (I will use Lumine) has woken up first when they came to Teyvat. They start exploring the world and just let their sibling sleep (the MC). As they do they discover Kanreah and become a part of this semi ancient civilization that is situated somewhere in the abyss now but we dont know where it was before exactly. They become royalty to Kanreah and watch the civilization progeress. This nation becomes highly scientific and doesnt have need of gods. Do note that by the time Kanreah exists Celestia has been the ruler for quite a while and during Kanreahs life the archon war happens (I might be wrong with the exacts but thats why there are lore channels). Then before the people of Enkanomiya come back to the surface with the help of the serpent god Orobaxi (who fled from the archon war) agents of Kanreah try to get their hands on the forbidden book of Before Sun and Moon (the knowledge of this book cost Orobaxi his life by the hands of the Raiden shogun who was "used" as an executioner by Celestia after a deal with Orobaxi). Later in an event that happend 500 years ago compared to the present Kanreah was "attacked" by Celestia for offenses against "The Heavenly Principles". Kanreah is destroyed and the abyss twin wakes the sleeping one and tells them that they need to flee from this world (the MC doesnt know at the time that they have been asleep for soo long). They get stopped at the door or exit from this world by the "Unknown God" aka "The Sustainer of The Heavenly Principles". Both of the siblings get captured but seperatly probably causing some sort of time delay and unknown side effects. The main character has their powers sealed and the abyss twin creates or at least commands the new Abyss Order that formed form the transformed survivors of Kanreah. This is where we are today. For clearer details or proper explanation check out some lore channels. (Im sorry for this long comment but the theory is bleeding from too many wounds. There are some interesting parts that could be true but as it is now its not gonna stand. Please dont see this as hate but as criticism. And sorry for my english)
what are the chances the "heir" in the gnostic chorus is Rhinedottir instead of Lumine tho.
since it makes no sense for Lumine to be the first heir since she is the younger twin.
and the story doesn't change even if you have Lumine as the traveler.
Where did you hear that lumine is the younger twin?
@@thecrazyremy in other languages (cn/jp etc) Lumine calls Aether "older brother".
This is such an interesting theory. But the one that caught my eye was the connection between lumine and princess mina. "Mina" could might aswell be an abbreviation of the word "Lumina" which means light, which is like an alternate abbreviation of Lumine's name.
I'm a bit late to the party since i only started playing genshin 3months ago but i love ur theories and it just places so well with hoyoverse's world building 💖
I appreciate the Charlie the Unicorn clip 😂
I think the twins are actually stars and paimon is a deity who protects the stars, a starkeeper.
I'm trusting all theories from this channel ever since they got the 500 year theory right
i have always considered the traveler's "homeland" as an adopted homeland as opposed to their original home, something i feel was confirmed in the latest update where - spoilers of course - its referred to _the_ homeland
Would love a follow-up about how Lumine as MC affects this theory
The more u explained this greek story the more i got confused. Greeks rly got a good imagination
great theory , I think you are very close of what is the truth of teyvat
Please, when next will you do another theory video? So much has happened since.
Now this theory is insane
Ah- yes finally a good theory . This is never getting off my mind
Today I learned in Genshin lore, I am an evil pearl.
A theory I had about the gnostic chorus after 2.4, during the lantern rite zhong li points out how stories can be changed overtime, it made me think maybe the gnostic chorus may changed overtime as it was passed and became something different when venti got the story.
The theory I had would point that a part of the gnostic chorus is the tale of twins and their journey.
The tale would be told to dain from the sibling long ago telling him that he/she is looking for their lost sibling(traveler) and through their journey the sibling would tell him of their past somewhat and how they were told to leave their home. At some point the twins thought, maybe they can save their home with a power. Their story mentions their world "ruined" not destroyed, they may have had wishes it to be true, so they can go back
The gnostic chorus mentioning the first heir inside the throne room area would be both the twins, not only one. When we see the heir at the mountain this symbolizes the sibling on their journey in the past.
After the sibling sides with the abyss and leaving dain. He begins to tell of story of his friend(The sibling), but it would be changed to keep his friends privacy out of respect, even though their "enemies". The part with the pearl and the serpent, would be the siblings goal the power to save their home but the serpent corrupting that would be the abyss. Corrupting sibling's original goal, the story being redone may be a warning from dain to others who hear it, not to follow in the heir(The siblings) path. The sibling being changed on the throne after the corrupting before the second is seen, Would be the sibling being corrupted and being made their leader.
The second heir would be the traveler, dain may have ended it the way he did out of hope for the traveler to save their sibling from the abyss.
That's the theory I had, after 2.4, had to bring it up and see what people would think
What if...now this is just a theory. Istaroth was lumine. So Ashikai did this theory about the artifacts and came to conclusions that there are two god of time. And during ei’s quest they mentioned that Makoto got help from Istaroth and both were in Khaenri’ah. And Paimon said/questioned, while talking to Ei and Miko, that her and the traveler were destined to be at the exact moment when the final battle was going to happen. (That part is still fuzzy whether we went back in time or not). Now here me out.... Lumine said to Aether somewhere along the lines that, they will meet again, w/c can be interpreted as destined to meet.
Sooooooo....what if Lumine was Istaroth who set these events for her brother to see the “truth/forbidden knowledge”. They can time travel essentially by jumping to other worlds.
They could also just be the children of the god of time.
Not likely if you play Lumine as the main character instead of Aether. The lore would have to be more interchangeable between the two to make it likely.
I love this theory-
@@Zarozian well yeah but his theory is based on canon events. But since i’m playing on the two gods of time, it would still be interchangeable cause one of would still be bound to be Istaroth
@@Zarozian but also i play Lumine and i’ve seen people play as Aether, it’s the exact same story. Like the game is not changing it based on the character u chose. Because if it was then lumine’s story would be reaching Khaenri’ah and then Aether’s story would be the one we’re playing now
I respect to use of Charlie the Unicorn
my guy you even caught the exact wording
It would be cool if smth like after completing part of the story as Aether, game gives you smth like a new quest in which Aether dies, then Lumine gets to know that and you start to play as Lumine to revive your brother or smth like that....
AM I THE ONLY ONE CRYING BECAUSE OF THE LUMINE AND DAINSLIEF LOVE STORY??? I'M CRYING RN TOTTT
You are not alone, I think lumine need to make a choice to go with her brother or to stay with dainslief. one from the world and the other not from the world.
12:36 Oh no its the magical leopluradon
MAGICAL LEOPLURADOOOOOooon!
I still cannot believe what you did at 12:33. It's not "I don't believe it until I see it"; it's "I don't believe it BECAUSE I saw it!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
WOW TH I literally have no words, you've outdone yourself. Congratulations. Now my brain is going to process all this information.
P.s: remember that thingy where azhdaha said he was the true god or something (i dont remember exactly)? It started making sense with that thing of celestia invading and the vishaps already existing but something bugs me, his dragon form was created by morax, this is what keeps confusing me bc he was like a stone being small elemental stuff.
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finally, real teyvat historia
Amazing! How do you put all of these connections together?
I consume more caffeine than is probably healthy lol.
@@TeyvatHistoria Lol! Really how much? I guess that makes sense that contributes to it, but I think it’s mostly along with your intelligence!
Just be sure to drink lots of water, stay hydrated and please be sure to take care of your self. The healthy amount of caffeine per day is up to 400mg. :)
P.S sorry not trying to nag/talk too much. I just care.
Do we know if they second throne just happen to find teyvat and fight with the Primordial god, or they intentionally chasing after the first throne and come to teyvat?
Wonderful Question
I have theorized the Second group is the Sky People from Honkai and they crashed Celestia through the barrier on purpose. I believe it crashed and created the Chasm and then was repaired and took its place above the land
I think it's unlikely that the traveller simply went between the kingdom in the heavens and Teyvat. The traveller implies that they've travelled through many world, not just two. If I remember correctly, when first speaking to Timaeus, they will express surprise that alchemy is so openly practiced in Teyvat, stating that in other worlds, it's practice was hidden. They state other worlds instead of the other world.
When you explained the correlation between Teyvat’s history and Greek Mythology, seems to make a lot of references to Biblical history as well. “As long as they do not subcome to temptation, all will be provided.” That can draw a line to the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Also the word Kairos means “God’s Time”, which can support the theory of Istaroth being the God of Time.
I promise this wasn’t trying to poke holes in your theory, just trying to draw more supporting lines