1991 Coral Welsh National Handicap Chase
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- Date: Saturday 21st December 1991 |
Course: Chepstow |
Distance: 3m 6f |
Going: Good to Soft |
Winning Time: 8m 10.2s |
Winner: Carvill's Hill (Peter Scudamore) [M C Pipe] |
Runners: 17 - Sport
Best welsh national winner ever.
+marshancars I read on a site called 'Big Races' and this renewal was a classic featuring some classy runners. In the 1990 renewal, there was a horse called 'Outside Edge'. I know that there was an early-mid 1990s drama series made by Central Television/Carlton about a cricket team. I am guessing being filmed in the Midlands either Edgbaston in the Birmingham area or Trent Bridge in Nottingham.
What a race and Carvill's Hill absolutely trounced a quality field including a Gold Cup and a Grand National winner.
This performance by Carvill`s Hill, Captain Christy in the 1975 King George VI Chase, Crisp 1973 Grand National, and Flying Bolt under 12st 7lbs in the 1965 Massey Ferguson Gold Cup are the most remarkable i`ve seen down the years in National Hunt Racing.
One that gets forgotten is Dessie's win in the Racing Post Chase. G1 placed runner up (rec. 28lb beat 8l) & next years National Winner (rec. 34lb beat 16l) was as good as any especially at that quick course.
It's the tops for me as the others were before my time the King George doesn't
count as it's not a handicap.Crisp though if i can go back in time must be the all
time weight carrying performance over those (at the time) monster fences such
a pity he didn't win and i didn't see it as it happened instead knowing the result
of probably the most agonising defeat in history.
Great performance, though you forget Arkle who did even better in every handicap he ran in!!
Not just once...12-7 in every
Handicap!!!.even the king George was a handicap in
Arkles day....he gave lumps
of weight in that as well!!!
To not mention him!!!!
Tut. Tut...He would have destroyed carvills hill on levels, and beaten him soundly in a handicap.
Gallagher gold cup 1965
Greatest ever performance
by a steeplechaser!
@@paulclark4616 But nupsala destroyed dessie at kempton, at levels....when dessie was in his prime... destroyed him!!! was it 15 length?…. Arkle would have given him 2 stone and a sound beating.
Missed the best, arkle in the 1965 Gallagher gold cup at sandown carrying 12-7 giving millhouse 16lb, beating him by 22lengths, and breaking the track record by 17 seconds ( still stands) is the greatest national hunt victory of all time👍
One of the most incredible displays of front running I've ever seen - well done to Pipe and Scudamore.
There wasn't a horse born who could have beaten Carvills Hill that day.
Rubbish
Carvills Hill was a great horse & always had a huge reputation. This performance proved how good he could be on his day. I was at Cheltenham in 1992 when he started a short priced favourite for the Gold Cup. There have been conspiracy theories regarding Jenny Pitmans plan to spoil the race by taking on Carvills Hill with her horse Golden Freeze, but the bottom line is that it was not illegal, it was just a tactic & I reckon it played a big part in Carvills Hill defeat. Although Cool Ground won it, he really wasn't in the same league as Carvills.
I was there, too, Chantelle, his Gold Cup. What did it for me were PS reports that the Pitman jockey apologised to him.
@@moyajanko6642 Your right, it was also in Peter Scudamore's book that Golden Freeze jockey apologized on the first circuit of the Gold Cup. Golden Freeze was never going to stay the trip and sadly Carvills Hill never raced again. Any respect for Jenny Pitman left me that day.
@@wincanton2 Yep it appears she only has tears for her own horses.Extremely dangerous tactics to employ over fences.
Whilst I think the tactics employed by JP in the Gold Cup were certainly underhand, I don't think it contributed to his bad jumping. If you look through his races he made mistakes in all sorts of positions. Be it in front or behind.. He also threw in great leaps amongst horses... If anything he might possibly have jumped worse on his own overall.. But she took all the flak because of her clear intentions and ultimately how badly Carvills Hill jumped in the GC. It's whenever he got in too close he couldn't make the adjustment to shorten up be it in front or behind horses IMO.
@@raborian Agreed he wasn't a natural over a fence,largely due to a persistent back problem,however if he's going to make a mistake let it be on his own terms.Can you imagine the uproar from JP if she trained Carvill's!!
Best ride I've ever seen by Peter Scudamore on the great Carvills Hill. Not an easy course to ride.
What a performance!
Great Horse, shame he didnt back it up in the Gold Cup at Cheltenham, had so much potential.
Pitman put Golden freeze out a 2 miler who stuck with Cavills Hill. By the time Golden Freeze pulled up Carvill was knackered. She did it to get her other horse to win great tactics but the other one didn't btw.
I was there that day & it was one of the greatest performances carrying weight ever seen.
Well its the best i've seen absolutely blew me away
@@1414yorks No better than Burrough hill lads Hennessy 12stone and thrashed better horses
Great horse his weight carrying performance this day is still unsurpassed in the modern era.
But he got beat in Ireland by nick the brief in Irish gold cup...levels
Dessie gave nick the brief
16 lb and a thrashing in
Whitbread gold cup 3mile 5
@@beverleymorris167 and dessie got beat by Norton coin in gold cup
Burrough hill lads Whitbread win under 12 stone, giving
Decent horses weight puts dessie in the dark..... dessie got beat too much to be in top 5 ever.
@@eugenemccloskey511 dessie got beat loads of times at levels... cannot be considered for goat!!
Anyway that's still Arkle!!😁
@@beverleymorris167 oh you don't have to tell me that lol arkle was the best
formulaonemad took the words out of my mouth. Even more astonishing the more years pass.
and to exemplify how good this form was, the 2nd (Party Politics) went on to win the Aintree Grand National the following season
Cool Ground also won the Gold Cup.
best ever
According to racing post ratings, only 3 horses have put up better performances than this since the early 80's: Desert Orchid (once, in the 1990 king G; 189), Kauto Star (once - 2009 KG; 191) and Sprinter Sacre (twice in 2013; 190 & 190). This Welsh National win earned Carvill's Hill a 187 - I remember thinking that the sky's the limit now... Personally, I think the tactics used against him in the Gold Cup were harsh but fair. The big mistake was moving him from Jim Dreaper in the first place.
Moving to Pipe a mistake?? What rubbish he came from Dreaper with the all
problems that he had years to sort out Pipe got basically a second hand horse
and this performance under Pipe was light years ahead of what Dreaper acheived
and he won another Hennessy Gold Cup as well.
@@1414yorks light years ahead maybe on the ratings of this one race. But that's it... He also won a leopardstown chase under 12-2 on the bridle over 3m without nearly as much use being made of him, and an Irish Gold Cup as a novice by 15 lengths in 89. The problem wasn't Jenny Pitman' s tactics in the Gold Cup it was that despite all the fanfare of moving to Pipe he still couldn't sort out his jumping due to his back trouble. Jim Dreaper knew this, he also knew how to handle a GC winner(How many GCs are on the Pipe CV) .He did it before this, and was well and truly vindicated in his handling of the horse. All the bluster over Jenny Pitman was nothing but a smoke screen.
@@raborian Er but thats the thing it's not one race
Carvill's Hill ran 13 times over fences for Dreaper falling 3 times thats nearly a quarter very poor record for a Gold Cup winning trainer!!!!
That Leopardstown Chase win for Dreaper was rated 167 by the Racing Post his highest rating whilst with Dreaper
He goes to Pipe 4 races 3 wins and The Gold Cup disaster but no fall!!
Those 3 wins with Pipe Rehearsal Chase under 11-12 by 10 lengths RPR 179 already blitzed Dreaper's best on his Pipe debut after a 317 day break,then the monster Welsh National 187 RPR(that was Pipe getting him properly fit on his gallops)and then the Hennessy Gold Cup that 15 length win only got him RPR 174 even then still 7lb better than Dreaper could do.I would also like to point out that Carvill's Hill arrived in the Pipe yard on the back of a fall in the Thyestes Chase already 9yrs old so Dreaper had the best years of the horse to work with so it makes Pipe's improvement even more astonishing!!
@@1414yorks Haha so Martin Pipe has never trained a horse with stats of 3 falls out of 13 races over fences, yeah right that's a good one :D
OK so he may have had them big UK ratings alright , but he was never pushed over here, winning with loads in hand, some times not even leading into the straight and only being asked to race after the last, unlike the tactics under Scudamore where he scorched off in front and was admittedly tested by better horses, who eked out that extra bit of improvement .. it was still the same horse with the same engine.
I tell you what he never did is jump as badly for Dreaper as he did in that gold cup, and a weak gold cup at that. Nor was he ever beaten 100 yards in a race either for him. He may not have fallen but he might as well have, meanwhile you go on about it like it was some kind of Pipe master class that he didn't.
But still keep the blame Jenny P delusion going to fit your own narrative. Typical Martin Pipe job is what it was..wham bam thank you mam... run the horse into the ground in as short a time as possible, pick up a few big wins, then move on to the next miracle cure !!!
awesome performance,do you have the 1982 renewal won by Corbiere available to upload?
Many thanks
wow.
foriamonlyahorse11- Agree with your assessment of Carvills Hill at Cheltenham except he fell at the 7th fence in the `89 Gold Cup before the race developed. The Ground was Bottomless that day and Carvills main strength was the remorseless gallop he could go in heavy ground, so in hindsight ken morgan should have set off in front. Beau Ranger took on Desert Orchid in the `87 King George however Scu did not rein back Beau Ranger to mess around Dessie as Golden Freeze did.
A loose horse meesed up carvill's Hill that day. Nearly stopped him dead in his tracks. Carvhills Hill had no momentum to get over the fence. And do you know who the loose horse was. Golden fukn freeze.
Can't think of another horse to beat him other than the great native river wot do we for experts think?
impressive horse shame he didn't win a gold cup.
Esha Ness would of course go on to win the Grand National that never was.....
Currently uploading, should be there in about 30 mins.
Top weight he weren't playing against donkeys
The real reason hubble telescope was invented cos this cam couldn't fit in the far distant 2nd 3rd 4th
Cavill Hills jumping was dodgy even in this. Image if he could jump fast and chrisp. The last jump looked like all four legs jumped together.
Called knackered m8 in that ground.
What an absolute demolition of grand national and gold cup winners. He absolutely destroyed them. I think this race emptied him unfortunately
@PirateMcGlitch What a stupid comment. Carvills Hill didn't win the Gold Cup as his style of jumping/running didn't suit Cheltenham & was never going too. His chance in went at the first when he made a bad error. He was already in trouble when he fell in Desert Orchid's Gold Cup too. As for him being chased up by Freeze, didn't Pipe & Scudamore do EXACTLY same with Beau Ranger to "spoil" Desert Orchid in the 1987 King George? Or do you have selective memory.....
He fell at the 7th in the 1989 Gold Cup - far from in trouble at that stage of the race. It was a typical novicey mistake if memory serves me.
Carvills Hill had back issues throughout his career, if met a fence on a long stride he could jump beautifully, but, if had to shorten up it affected him. A couple of the fences here he fiddled and looked terrible but my God when he met one right was a lovely sight
Yes you are right about beau ranger in king George and it worked desert orchid got stuffed
@@eugenemccloskey511 First five furlongs in King George (including jumping fences) was quicker than first five furlongs of that years 2000 guineas