AMERICAN REACTS TO HOW ONE MASS SHOOTING CHANGED THE UK’S GUN LAWS FOREVER

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  • AMERICAN REACTS TO HOW ONE MASS SHOOTING CHANGED THE UK’S GUN LAWS FOREVER
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  • @longshanks90
    @longshanks90 Před 2 lety +60

    UK had a massacre, we banned the guns and it never repeated.
    Australia had a massacre, they banned the guns and it never repeated.
    New Zealand had a massacre, they banned the guns and it never repeated.
    Etc...
    America had a massacre, we need more guns 😅

  • @sarahealey1780
    @sarahealey1780 Před 2 lety +251

    I guess that u don't realised that every other country in the world is also a melting pot, people move around it's what we have always done, I live in the UK and there are over 250 languages spoken just in London, the US is just broken 😒

    • @JakeMcb
      @JakeMcb Před 2 lety +4

      Yeah but "The estimated 5.7 million Americans in 2018 - 1.6 million more than 2000 - identifying with American Indian or Alaska Native racial backgrounds represent less than 2% of the total national population. That share was double the Native American group’s share in 2000." to be fair i didnt know that i didnt know till i just googled it to check, i mean i knew it was bad but damnn

    • @jackherer519
      @jackherer519 Před 2 lety

      Probably something to do with the fact that most Americans are on SSRIs and that type of shit. They love pumping them mfs full of whatever makes money

    • @iriscollins7583
      @iriscollins7583 Před 2 lety +6

      Shows what calibre of Brits emigrated. We're glad they went. Read what the early people did regarding if you only even worshipped differently. Horrendous.

    • @zoe9190
      @zoe9190 Před 2 lety +21

      Australia is quite literally a young country compared to all others. Vast majority of the citizens of Australia, moved here within the last 100 years and we have tight gun controls after our mass shooting caused it to happen

    • @anouk6644
      @anouk6644 Před 2 lety +20

      @@JakeMcb The USA is not the only country with a very diverse population and a minority of native inhabitants. But what is different is that in general people in the US still heavily identify with their heritage even if they are 3rd, 4th, 5th generation American. They’ll say I’m an Irish or Italian American when it is the grandparents of their grandparents who immigrated to the states. To my knowledge this doesn’t happen anywhere else, not at that level.
      I think this stems from the highly individualistic society with the need to differentiate yourself from others.

  • @pampennyworth
    @pampennyworth Před 2 lety +68

    After Dunblane there was a massive gun amnesty. Even criminals gave up their illegal guns without threat of being prosecuted.

    • @radicalcartoons2766
      @radicalcartoons2766 Před 2 lety +12

      My mum even handed in her totally harmless clay pigeon shooting rifle, it had sentimental value cos she won prizes with it as a young women, when there were hardly any women in the sport.

  • @sarahblohm361
    @sarahblohm361 Před 2 lety +42

    I was 25 at the time of the Dunblane school massacre & working for social services in England. Three weeks before Dunblane I’d finished co-ordinating the region’s major incident support training. Never thought I’d have to activate the procedures we had in place but that afternoon I had a phone call from my Scottish counterpart, asking me how quickly I could get trauma counsellors up to Dunblane & how many we could spare. I’ve never heard someone sound so broken as she did. It’s 25 years later & I’ll never forget getting that phonecall. We in the U.K. owe a huge debt of gratitude to the people of Dunblane for their work in getting gun laws tightened up so much. No matter what the US constitution says I’ll never understand how so many people are happy to prioritise their right to own guns over the lives of children & minorities.

    • @SilentHotdog28
      @SilentHotdog28 Před rokem +7

      I'm scared to even go to the U.S but I would never take my kids there. A child should have the right to go to school and feel safe.......in the U.S that isn't the case. When an Adult dies because of violence it is very sad, but when a child dies because of it, it is a downright heartbreaking tragedy.

  • @jhart1127
    @jhart1127 Před 2 lety +25

    I'm from the UK, living in the UK. we have a huge melting pot of people here. None of us need a gun. I've never even touched one.

  • @primalengland
    @primalengland Před 2 lety +143

    My kids were 9 and 6 when Dunblane happened. As far as I’m concerned there is no valid argument for having a lethal weapon in your possession. I’m 68…. Never seen a gun in my life cept the air guns as a kid. Madness, man… madness. Love your channel, my man.

    • @maxmoore9955
      @maxmoore9955 Před rokem

      I agree with your statement 100% .

    • @DonJulio510
      @DonJulio510 Před rokem

      Never seen a gun in my life yet either but then again I live in a decent neighborhood. But when you say theres no reason why anyone should be in possession of a firearm well a few cities down from where I live 50% of the firearms are smuggled and bought illegally by criminals. So what happens when criminals with firearms find out the chances of good people not owning a firearm at home will do?

    • @primalengland
      @primalengland Před rokem

      @@DonJulio510 we have yet to experience that over here. There is plenty of crime in the UK, there are guns in the wrong hands in the UK, yet I have never feared or even thought about the possibility of someone near me having a firearm with malicious intent. Perhaps we are just lucky it hasn’t taken that route. I don’t think it will. May be just as simple as something like lack of encouragement or just no one ever talking about or thinking about guns in public discourse.

    • @DonJulio510
      @DonJulio510 Před rokem

      @@primalengland the US is a mess and is not cause of guns but too many bad people with mental illness doing what they want at the expense of good people. Almost every major known gang in the world origin here in the US. Even “drill” music is now worldwide and thats not something to brag about. We have too many bad people with guns that it will be a major warzone if no good person did have one. Thats what one thing that is never shown either, the good people with a firearm stopping the bad person.

    • @MazzaEliLi7406
      @MazzaEliLi7406 Před 10 měsíci

      @@DonJulio510 Thus far organised crime uses guns against others of the same ilk & any one who harms or neglects children hadsa very bad time if they are ever imprisoned.

  • @gemmaanderson1202
    @gemmaanderson1202 Před 2 lety +33

    America is literally the only country in the world that doesn’t realise that American is a nationality. When we see people from the US describe themselves as a percentage of one nationality and a percentage of another and so on ad nauseum we collectively roll our eyes…

  • @janesmith4617
    @janesmith4617 Před 2 lety +266

    There's a quote (can't remember who by) which goes along the lines of, "You can judge how civilised a society is by how it treats its most vulnerable members." From here in the UK it seems that America is not a very civilised country because it has not put any effective laws in place to prevent mass shootings; and because the healthcare system there is so horribly expensive that people with life-threatening diseases can't afford the treatment they need. A few years ago an American friend of mine died because she couldn't afford the insulin she needed to control her diabetes. That would never happen here, thanks to our wonderful NHS. I don't understand how a country with so much wealth and power can let that happen. And when I see news reports of another mass shooting in America, I feel the same. How has no one stopped this? The UK has proved that it can be stopped; so has New Zealand, and other countries too, I'm sure. I understand the whole right to bear arms thing is part of your constitution: but when it directly endangers the lives of so many innocents, surely it's time to address it.
    (Sorry for banging on so much, I am just horrified by every mass shooting I see in the news, and simply don't understand how it's allowed to continue.)

    • @Shiftry87
      @Shiftry87 Před 2 lety +7

      Well your not wrong. the diffrent amendments says what u have the right to do and back when they were made it made sense during a mutch less organised time in history. Now not so mutch as they still say the same thing but they are not combined with the laws used in the modern days. So u run into problems where the public constantly quote the Bill of rights and the amendments to get there ways. But the goverments quote the laws and there is nothing saying which takes precedent over the other. Even if a politician were to present a good suggestion to merge the 2 together there would be nation wide uproar. There would be bountys put on them.

    • @BJKage
      @BJKage Před 2 lety +10

      Amen. Fellow European.

    • @OrangeCopperTop
      @OrangeCopperTop Před 2 lety +16

      @@Shiftry87 Yeah I certainly feel living in the UK is so much better. Regards the gun issues in the USA, I have no idea how I’d send any of my 4 kids to school there, in the knowledge that so easily they’d not come home. Young people killed by AR15’s, putting these assault weapons in the hands of young adults. But when it’s young adults with a grudge, they have a score to settle. I’d have to move.

    • @drewsheps2533
      @drewsheps2533 Před 2 lety +13

      Their workers rights are practically non existent aswell. All round terrible country in my opinion, wouldn't even go there for a vacation if it was free.

    • @dlilwon
      @dlilwon Před 2 lety

      This baffles me also, the American dream is a whole farce sold to their citizens and they gobble it up like Haribos. I am glad many are opening their eyes.

  • @charlestaylor9424
    @charlestaylor9424 Před 2 lety +94

    Closing a loophole in one state is about as much use as a non-pissing lane in a swimming pool.

  • @leonbrooks2107
    @leonbrooks2107 Před 2 lety +72

    The Constitution was designed to be regularly amended and Jefferson actually recommended that the whole thing should be reviewed every 19 years to ensure that the laws within it are fit for purpose.

    • @patrickchilds2987
      @patrickchilds2987 Před 2 lety +14

      Absolutely right . It's a living document countries all round the world regularly update their constitutions.

    • @momirzzsk7805
      @momirzzsk7805 Před 2 lety +14

      True, but apparently the majority of the American people don't understand what the word "amendment" means

    • @leebennett1821
      @leebennett1821 Před 2 lety +9

      I think the Founding Fathers would be Shocked by what America has become

    • @fionnmcguinness3268
      @fionnmcguinness3268 Před 2 lety +9

      As well as this amendment being over 200 years old, the sophistication of guns. 225 years ago guns were inaccurate, low firepower muskets which you could only shoot one bullet/ballbearing at time before going through a whole process which took several minutes to reloads. This amendment wasn’t designed for semi-automatic or full-automatic guns which are extremely more accurate and lethal and can fire hundreds of bullets before needing ti be reloaded. Thats the thing with this amendment

    • @fionnmcguinness3268
      @fionnmcguinness3268 Před 2 lety +1

      If school/ mass shooters were coming in the muskets from 1775 now, they could come in fire once which may not even kill somebody, it could leave a bruise if it even hits the intended target before the whole school/area is evacuated and the shooter is wrestled to the ground by people/police

  • @TheMrReee
    @TheMrReee Před 2 lety +67

    We always hear from the gun nuts saying "you can't change the 2nd amendment", which is incredibly dumb, it's an amendment, literally means a change, so change it again. 🤔

    • @leonbrooks2107
      @leonbrooks2107 Před 2 lety +16

      Most Americans sadly don’t know what made the Constitution so great. It wasn’t because it set out a great set of laws but because it was made to be regularly reviewed and amended when necessary. Jefferson himself advised that the whole thing should be reviewed every 19 years to make sure that it is still fit for purpose but that has never happened.

    • @krizan1
      @krizan1 Před 2 lety +9

      Just tell an American that when they say "you can't change the 2nd amendment ", they are essentially saying "you can't change a change" and see how they react.

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 Před 2 lety +1

      And they ignore the fact that the Second Amendment has already been changed by 12 judgements of the Supreme Court which in some cases used some extreme logical and legal gymnastics to reach the current situation where in some states it is now possible for wannabe hard men to be allowed to wander around some towns completely kitted out for WW3 with automatic battle rifle to boot.

    • @TheMrReee
      @TheMrReee Před 2 lety +3

      @@petergaskin1811 Do they still teach the Constitution in US schools?
      Surely if you wish to live your life guided by the Constitution you should really understand the whole thing?

    • @howardchambers9679
      @howardchambers9679 Před 2 lety +2

      See Jim Jeffries comedy set "gun control". He explained it better.

  • @sarahealey1780
    @sarahealey1780 Před 2 lety +110

    Amendments literally means change. The whole purpose of them being Amendments is that they keep changing keep being amended to fit society as it grows and changes.

    • @Xantaxia
      @Xantaxia Před 2 lety +28

      And as Jim Jefferies said "If you can't change something that's called an Amendment then many of you need a thesaurus more than you need constitution..."

    • @iriscollins7583
      @iriscollins7583 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Xantaxia Well said.👍

    • @1chish
      @1chish Před 2 lety +1

      Or better still don't have a written Constitution that can be re-interpreted depending on the political sway of the US Supreme Court.
      England then GB and then the UK has managed very well for a thousand years without a written constitution and it works because laws can be written to address changing circumstances. Magna Carta was not a Constitution btw ...
      It also helps that we have the one elected chamber that has overriding primacy when creating new laws rather than the 3 way fight they have in the USA.

    • @R0swell5104
      @R0swell5104 Před 2 lety +1

      So how is that one elected chamber working now.

    • @1chish
      @1chish Před 2 lety +2

      @@R0swell5104 Was that to me?
      If so well its working very well thanks for asking. It passes legislation that goes to The Lords for consideration and amendment. If the Commons does or doesn't like those Amendments they can accept or vote them down as they please as it has primacy and the Legislation becomes law. No blocking Senate and no blocking President.
      The Parliament Act and The Salisbury convention informs. Go read.

  • @B-A-L
    @B-A-L Před 2 lety +144

    The Dunblane massacre still resonates in the UK to this day decades after it happened whereas I just read a report from Harvard that most people in the USA move on from school massacres after only three days due to their regular occurrences.

    • @1chish
      @1chish Před 2 lety +9

      And short attention span.

    • @Makeyourselfbig
      @Makeyourselfbig Před 2 lety

      The gun nuts rely on that fact. whenever one happens they just deflect and keep their heads down for a few days until it blows over. Then they just wair for the next one and do the same again. Gun nuts don't love their children. Assuming they actually have any of course.

    • @haroldvonschwartzenstien3581
      @haroldvonschwartzenstien3581 Před 2 lety

      There’s a school shooting every week in America.
      The land of the free…

    • @Elketjeable
      @Elketjeable Před 2 lety +9

      They're so normalized/desensitized..

  • @jk844100
    @jk844100 Před 2 lety +35

    Famous tennis player Andy Murray was a student and was there when the shooting happened. Pretty crazy.

  • @nickgov66
    @nickgov66 Před 2 lety +51

    Not changing the 2nd ammendment because it would open the door to changing other ammendments is the most facile argument possible, the 18th ammendment (Prohibition) was overturned and that had no effect on any other ammendment.

    • @wyterabitt2149
      @wyterabitt2149 Před 2 lety +14

      It also disturbingly makes the constitution a religious text of dogma, which is kind of how many Americans already treat it.

    • @tjblues01
      @tjblues01 Před 2 lety

      So what? What's an objectively valid reason NOT to change a law written 1791? It is outdated for more than 200 years. It was written for different purpose, an environment has changed a lot since then.
      Main point to give guns to citizens was so they can protect themselves against the government's wrongdoings. Fast forward to nowadays; how Joe with his AR-15 can protect himself from 50 men strong SWAT team?

    • @EvergreenVB
      @EvergreenVB Před 2 lety

      The problem with your argument is that repealing the 18th gave the people back certain rights, repealing the 2nd would infringe upon what many believe are their rights.
      You're attempting a poor variation of a Post Hoc argument.

    • @emilybell5462
      @emilybell5462 Před rokem +4

      @@EvergreenVB Amendments should be changed if it benefits every citizen I.e., becoming more safe.

    • @EvergreenVB
      @EvergreenVB Před rokem +1

      @@emilybell5462 "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."- Benjamin Franklin.
      You're presuming that an amendment would keep people safe. Which is your opinion to have, however there are people who feel their guns are what will keep them safe, and quite frankly right or wrong their voices seem to carry more weight.
      Personally I believe guns should be regulated to hunting areas, and other licensed facilities such as a range, but it leaves a bitter taste in people's mouths when others try to take what they consider their right, it's also illogical for anyone to believe that people who are about to kill people would care about the law. With about 393 million guns in the US. Repealing the 2nd Amendment won't give you the safety you seek it would just sow resentment and create a new Prohibition like era but instead of alcohol people will be bringing in guns.
      You're trying to put the ketchup back in the bottle, the problem is that the ketchup is already on the plate, find a way to clear the plate then a way to actually keep it clear then perhaps people might be willing to consider giving up their rights, but I doubt it.

  • @cbtowers4841
    @cbtowers4841 Před 2 lety +290

    That was my sport. I’m a precision shooter, trained to be accurate. I enjoy shooting, but I’m against people freely owning guns. Because I know how dangerous they are from my training, and I know how people’s attitudes towards using guns vary even among trained shooters. I cannot trust an untrained shooter with a live gun. I’m willing to give up my right to own a gun if it means it won’t be easy for crazy people to get ahold of one. Gun control saves lives. That’s a fact. I don’t know why people still debate it.

    • @cbtowers4841
      @cbtowers4841 Před 2 lety +69

      @Christian Constitutionalist and this is the problem. Not enough people willing to compromise their personal agendas for the sake of saving lives.

    • @bernadettelanders7306
      @bernadettelanders7306 Před 2 lety

      @Christian Constitutionalist and how many innocent children and adults over only the last few decades, Have no rights, no say in anything. Their right to speak or have an opinion, has gone forever.

    • @patrickchilds2987
      @patrickchilds2987 Před 2 lety +37

      @Christian Constitutionalist they may not be his to give up, however based on the content he makes an point. In the UK after Dunblane severe gun regulations were imposed. Guns were not banned , but strictly regulated. The result is that we don't have mass shootings any more. Just affirming your rights is just confirming his reply to you.

    • @robertcottam8824
      @robertcottam8824 Před 2 lety

      @Christian Constitutionalist
      Out of curiosity: were you born daft; take 'daft pills' or practise the art of being daft?

    • @cbtowers4841
      @cbtowers4841 Před 2 lety +43

      @@patrickchilds2987 exactly. “Without giving anything in return” obviously means saving kids’ lives isn’t a strong enough motivation.

  • @piripibercic2211
    @piripibercic2211 Před 2 lety +64

    Gun laws have changed in nz and aus as well from just one mass shooting in each country

    • @micko11154
      @micko11154 Před 2 lety +1

      Australia had 13 mass shootings in the 10 years before Port Arthur, it wasn't just one mass shooting that changed the laws. It was the straw that broke the camels back.
      Cheers!

  • @celticguy197531
    @celticguy197531 Před 2 lety +82

    there was two shootings that changed British gun laws the first one was Hungerford which changed ownership of semi-automatic centre-fire rifles and some shotguns and the other was Dunblane

    • @SuzD0n
      @SuzD0n Před 2 lety +13

      I remember Hungerford. It stunned the entire country. The fact that Thomas Hamilton very deliberately targeted young children impacted people even more. Gald we did what we did.

    • @reluctantheist5224
      @reluctantheist5224 Před 2 lety

      I see self loading pin fire rifles are allowed. Why is a centre fire banned but not a pin fire. Is one superior to another?

    • @celticguy197531
      @celticguy197531 Před 2 lety +4

      @@reluctantheist5224 maybe it is the rate of fire. Since the only really rifle that could do that damage that Michael Ryan did was an SLR. Michael used an M1 Carbine and the Chinese version of the AK-47

    • @tacfoley4443
      @tacfoley4443 Před 10 měsíci

      What is a self-loading pinfire rifle? I've been shooting since age six, now I'm 77, and I've never heard of such a thing.

  • @jessbellis9510
    @jessbellis9510 Před 2 lety +140

    Here in Australia we have one of the most diverse/multicultural countries in the world. FAR more than America. It's not about nationality or race. It's about the American culture. America has a very specific, well-known culture. It's the idea of individualism or individual freedom coming before all else.
    The US isn't run like a society, it's run like a for-profit corporation, where everyone is out for themselves and putting others or the good of society first is seen as restricting "freedom".
    In regards to the whole "13th amendment could get repealed" idea, apart from that argument being completely idiotic, what Americans don't realise is that your laws basically allow corporations to enslave you. Workers have almost no rights in the US, especially when compared to all other developed nations. You're already basically enslaved!
    Here in Australia we also had one major mass shooting - the Port Arthur massacre - and within a year we had strict regulations for gun ownership, and the government organised a "buy-back" program, where they'd pay you to hand in your guns. Since then, despite having more guns in Australia than before the massacre, we've had ZERO mass shootings due to strict controls on licences & storage of weapons.

    • @1chish
      @1chish Před 2 lety +10

      Bloody well said. From a Pom.... 👏👏

    • @anouk6644
      @anouk6644 Před 2 lety +9

      Couldn’t have said it any better!

    • @littlepatsygivens4542
      @littlepatsygivens4542 Před 2 lety +1

      Let us know how that works out for y’all. Americans will NEVER surrender our weapons.

    • @anouk6644
      @anouk6644 Před 2 lety

      @@littlepatsygivens4542 They don’t have to let you know, they can already show you! Just look at the numbers of all types of gun violence and gun related deaths in any country with gun control compared to yours. That doesn’t mean you can’t have guns, just that it’s better regulated. This way people who shouldn’t have guns don’t have access. To me that’s common sense. Or are many of you afraid you won’t qualify?
      I don’t understand why people wouldn’t support regulations and prevent children and other innocent people to be slaughtered on a weekly/daily basis. To vote against any control is to allow these horrific events to continue. Don’t you care about that?
      I wish you could open your mind and look at the facts, look at what gun control really means (not taking all guns away) instead of blindly following the NRA rhetoric/propaganda. Or give a nuanced, fact based counter argument why there shouldn’t be any control.

    • @rosehill9537
      @rosehill9537 Před 2 lety +21

      @@littlepatsygivens4542
      0 school shootings.
      0 need for active shooter drills
      Its going very very well.
      We dont see a gun as a right or necessary for freedom or safety.
      Its a privilege to own a gun here a responsibility.
      We can own a gun its just regulated.
      We are free and safe to live our lives.

  • @michael-pn9po
    @michael-pn9po Před 2 lety +64

    The second amendment was written when the only weapons available were flintlock (single shot) rifles, muskets and pistols - there was no police force - there was no standing army - guns were needed for protection and to hunt for food and to mobilize a militia force when required. Today you do not NEED guns for protection (in any civilized country that is) - you do not NEED guns to hunt food - you do not need guns to join a militia (you have a national guard.) So apart from sport and the possibility in some circumstances to protect yourself from wild animals - why do you NEED a gun (let alone a military grade weapon.?) Bad people get guns and use them in other countries of course - but the numbers are miniscule compared to the USA. Other countries have strict regulations on who can own a gun and how it is stored. Having easy access to guns leads to more gun violence - leads to nervous law enforcement officers shooting first asking questions later - - leads to many more suicides that could be prevented - all because of some crazy misinterpretation the rationale behind an old law. The USA is a sick country that is too scared to look at itself and take the necessary medicine.

    • @JALC-x
      @JALC-x Před 2 lety

      nowadays they need guns to protect themselves from eachother. they have enough guns for every single person in that country and their own government doesn't take mental health and social care legislation seriously, so they're basically turning their own country into a battle royale

    • @mikeroagreschen5350
      @mikeroagreschen5350 Před rokem

      We don't have a "Bill of Needs".
      And there were fully-automatic weapons at the time the Second Amendment was written.
      "Today you do not NEED guns for protection" - You don't know anything about what I need.

    • @tomwithey711
      @tomwithey711 Před rokem

      @@mikeroagreschen5350 awww, someone's feefees got hurt.
      Little touchy there, maybe you shouldn't have a gun, you're clearly on a hair trigger.

    • @kieronmarshall2658
      @kieronmarshall2658 Před rokem +1

      @@mikeroagreschen5350 you 'NEED' because it all to easy to get a gun so those wishing to rob get a gun. if guns were harder to get then gun related crime would be extremely low and a pissed off teenager wouldn't get daddies gun to school to act the big man.

    • @MazzaEliLi7406
      @MazzaEliLi7406 Před 10 měsíci

      Harsh words but no lie. IMO.

  • @juliejeanable
    @juliejeanable Před 2 lety +48

    I remember this so vividly because I had children of roughly the same age, they were all aged between 5 and 6. It still upsets me even today. 😪

  • @suzannebaxter2888
    @suzannebaxter2888 Před 2 lety +49

    The children that died and the 17 that were injured not one of them was over the age of six. When this happened I had just given birth to my first son. I absolutely sobbed everyone who was on the maternity ward here in England including the staff just sad and this blanket of grief descended on us all. I had my 6 hour old son in my arms and I couldn't face the pain of all those parents and families it was to hard. These were babies but the bastard who did it shot himself oh I do wish he hadn't because his life would have been a living hell.

  • @glastonbury4304
    @glastonbury4304 Před 2 lety +89

    let's remember there's been over 20 ammendments made to other ammendments since they were written down. so if you can change other ammendments. why not the 2nd amendment...it's all BS ...😔

    • @JakeMcb
      @JakeMcb Před 2 lety

      I mean an amendment does mean "a minor change or addition designed to improve a text, piece of legislation" so saying you change am amendment is fucking insane.

    • @glastonbury4304
      @glastonbury4304 Před 2 lety

      @@JakeMcb ...let's start at least from banning guns for under 21 year olds, at least that's a start , a minor one , but better than nothing and hopefully will stop some shootings in schools and if any under 21 year old is found using there parents guns to kill people, imprison the dysfunctional parent

    • @davidmonaghan26
      @davidmonaghan26 Před 2 lety +8

      @@JakeMcb like ending slavery was just miner? Ban of alcohol was si minor that it gave gangsters their start in the life......but yeah minor changes. 🙄

    • @JakeMcb
      @JakeMcb Před 2 lety +1

      @@davidmonaghan26 i was going off the dictionary definition hence the quotation marks.

    • @jhart1127
      @jhart1127 Před 2 lety

      @@JakeMcb what were you referring to as "fucking insane"? Bizarre.

  • @MazzaEliLi7406
    @MazzaEliLi7406 Před 2 lety +42

    USA = freedom of speech = freedom to incite racial/religious hatred. UK = freedom of expression = a legal requirement to mind your manners at least in public. One small word makes a big difference to the quality of life for all. Gun control in the UK means that those who have been vetted by clinicians & the police & are deemed to be of sound mind & character may own a gun for legitimate purpose. Farmers/hunters/sportsmen own/use guns in the UK but the use & storage of firearms is strictly regulated. Any & all of the USA constitution may be amended via due process. The gun lobby cares about profit & not about people. People before politics.

    • @Dee-JayW
      @Dee-JayW Před 2 lety

      Canada also has Freedom of Expression, much better than the USA.

    • @noahsawyer7155
      @noahsawyer7155 Před 2 lety

      @@Dee-JayW oh yes where your prime minister call in the riot squad for a bunch of truckers protesting such freedom. Get your head out of your ass

    • @dyhale
      @dyhale Před rokem

      Not anymore the Devon and Cornwall police are accepting new lisences after the shoting in Plymouth even taking guns away from people who don't deserve there guns taken away

  • @kevinedie4119
    @kevinedie4119 Před 2 lety +23

    I don't know if you noticed this but Dunblaine is the Home to a Scottish Legend. He was in Dunblaine Primary School during the shooting (different class but in the school) and if Thomas Hamilton had decided to shoot up his class instead we would have lost him. The Child was Andy Murray

    • @PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim
      @PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim Před 2 lety

      Never heard of him.

    • @kevinedie4119
      @kevinedie4119 Před 2 lety +2

      @@PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim Tenis Player was ranked world #1 a few years past but will be retiring within a few years

    • @Lily-Bravo
      @Lily-Bravo Před 2 lety +6

      @@PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim So why not look him up, rather than reveal your ignorance?

  • @bellabana
    @bellabana Před 2 lety +27

    Up to 1995 Australia had had 13 gun massacres over a period of years. But after the Port Philip massacre in 1996 in which a lone gunmen killed 26 people, the then government swiftly enacted strict gun law reforms over a 12 week period banning assault weapons, rifles and hand guns. Since then Australia has never had another gun massacre.

    • @tracymeyers5615
      @tracymeyers5615 Před 2 lety +3

      The Port Arthur massacre of 28-29 April 1996 was a mass shooting in which 35 people were killed and 23 others were wounded in Port Arthur, Tasmania. The murderer, Martin Bryant, pleaded guilty and was given 35 life sentences without the possibility of parole. Fundamental changes of gun control laws within Australia followed the incident. The case is the worst massacre in modern Australia committed by a single person.

    • @micko11154
      @micko11154 Před 2 lety

      Bolt action rifles have not been banned, only semi -automatic and automatic rifles are banned. And it was 35 killed at Pt Arthur.

    • @bwana-ma-coo-bah425
      @bwana-ma-coo-bah425 Před rokem

      they have actually.

  • @coot1925
    @coot1925 Před 2 lety +104

    I hate to break it to you dude, but the UK is also a melting pot of different people. But no matter where you or your ancestors come from everyone had to abide by our laws.

    • @glazierblue573
      @glazierblue573 Před 2 lety

      Yes we had a mass shooting here in the UK, and we all said, "well that wasn't fun. Turns out having fun pretending to be John Wayne has consequence... maybe we should put our egos aside and have gun laws that at least try and prevent physio from getting a guns."
      And guess what! It worked! What are the f***ing suprise!

    • @andreadelange2845
      @andreadelange2845 Před 8 měsíci

      Well let me put you in thd picture. Only in America you define people with their race.
      African American
      Chinese American
      Native American.
      You want me to go on.

    • @joyridgway6398
      @joyridgway6398 Před 7 měsíci

      I was just thinking that.

  • @BRIDINC1972
    @BRIDINC1972 Před 2 lety +24

    We are Irish and Dunblane struck ushers just as hard as across the later in England. However we as a family were on holiday in America in September 2001. We witnessed the aftermath of 911 in the U.S.. What shocked us the most was we accompanied our cousin to a local bank one day and before even entering the premises we saw a sign out front (Open a bank account and receive a free rifle.) That was insane in our eyes.

    • @tomwithey711
      @tomwithey711 Před rokem +1

      @@mccorama well done. Have a cookie.

  • @elunedlaine8661
    @elunedlaine8661 Před 2 lety +55

    There are illegal guns in the UK, no doubt, but owning a gun is not that common for ordinary citizens. Our police don't carry guns, although there are armed police units if they're required

    • @Londronable
      @Londronable Před 2 lety +12

      No armed police in Great Britain for accuracy sake.
      Northern ireland does have normal cops with guns for rather obvious historical reasons.

    • @elunedlaine8661
      @elunedlaine8661 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Londronable Of course, my apologies

    • @DANTE83100
      @DANTE83100 Před 2 lety +10

      I live just outside Edinburgh. Recently I was stopped and questioned by the armed police. I had the unfortunate luck of looking like the person they where searching for.
      I've been stopped by unarmed police before doing random checks. But I'll tell you there is big difference, between having two regular officers asking you to empty your pockets. And having four/five armed officers surrounded you and asking for I.D.
      Still I have to wonder. What on earth did the other person do. That required the armed police to be searching.

    • @heliotropezzz333
      @heliotropezzz333 Před 2 lety +6

      @@Londronable I used to work in the centre of London and did see police walking around the government areas with automatic weapons but it was when terrorist alerts were high and they had to have armed police at the ready.

    • @RandomShart
      @RandomShart Před 2 lety +3

      True, most people don't realise that the police need good reason to prevent a British citizen from owning a shotgun. The law is such that you are entitled to own them, just that most people choose not to bother. Even fewer try for firearms licenses. So for me the laws seem to work ok, they don't need to be stricter here in Britain.

  • @TheHestya
    @TheHestya Před rokem +4

    "From my cold, dead hands!" -he says as he holds up a comically large firearm. Do they not know that we know?

  • @timed3618
    @timed3618 Před 2 lety +9

    I remember Charlton Heston: "From my cold dead hand". Thought it was a good deal, should have taken it,

  • @rozhunter7645
    @rozhunter7645 Před 2 lety +11

    The children killed were in primary 1 so they were age 5-6 years old, it’s something we in Scotland will never forget. My own son was 9 years old at the time and I remember thinking I just want to go to his school and take him home

  • @mosthaunted2
    @mosthaunted2 Před 2 lety +8

    If owning a gun wasn't in the Constitution, then people wouldn't think it's their right to own one,.....Owning a gun isn't a Human Right, it's only an American Right.

  • @stewrmo
    @stewrmo Před 2 lety +36

    The whole "remain armed to guard against the Government" argument is weak as far as I can see. What is a normal gun owner, in the US, going to do against tanks, drones and jets? C'mon man. Just admit you lot love guns. Also, the whole amendment thing, it's a law, not the Bible...

    • @boudecia22
      @boudecia22 Před 2 lety +2

      Ok. Here's My 2 cents. I'm british, moved to usa 3 years ago. I always had the same view as you. Till I lived here. The majority of usa which us truly gargantuan in size, is very VERY small towns. With lots of empty space in them and between them. No street lights, no pavements, and no neighbour's close by. My nearest neighbor is 1/4 mile away. We are surrounded by trees. Theres bears, coyotes, and all sorts of other animals roaming around. A friend of ours had a man trying to get in her patio doors at 4.30am after her husband had left for work. She was alone in the house with her 2 year old. She called the police, they asked, is he actually in the house,she said no, they saud.... I shit you not... call us back if he gets in, do you gave a gun?
      That was the POLICE. They called back AN HOUR LATER. They never sent anyone.
      THAT is why most people want guns. The police DO NOT show up here. There aren't enough of them, and too large an area to cover.
      I now WANT a gun, and I hate the dam things. Don't assume all of usa is like Chicago or Dallas or New York. IT ISNT. For town, read VILLAGE. For city, read small town.
      I live in a city, geographically the size of Rotherham or Doncaster with a population of 13 and 1/2 thousand.
      And yes, ppl here are brainwashed, they are brainwashed from infancy, they ate lied to their entire lives and they believe it. Bevause the state here has way more control over the narrative than in uk. The media is a massive propaganda machine.
      I live in Michigan. Bigger than the whole of uk. With 5 million ppl. Uk has 65 million.
      You cannot imagine the reality until you live here. It's very very different.
      It's the reason they don't have a nationwide transport system, it's the re asin they don't have a national health service.
      Too much land and not enough people to make it work.
      My husband has had to use a gun more than once to shoot coyotes before they killed our dog. We've had bears chasing us. Big fucking bears!
      So its not just about government. It's also about survival.
      And a great many people live this life. We have no piped water to our house, its a well. We have no piped gas, we have a tank we have to fill every year. 3 feet of snow is no reason to NOT drive to work here. I am only scratching the surface here.
      But mainly, YOU CANNOT rely on the police they are MILES AWAY.like 20 miles. They CANNOT help.
      The advantages are just as numerous as the disadvantages.
      But this us an oversimplified documentary. Just like the abortion argument is over simplified, and neither argument takes into account the REALITY.
      Now I for one would be happy to see the automatics, with the massive magazines controlled. However, all of this is like bolting the door after the horse has bolted. They will never get rid of them. They also didn't mention that almost ALL mass shootings are committed by someone who has a gun ILLEGALLY. So changing the law will NOT stop those already breaking it. It won't. They only way to do this is to REMOVE them all.which CANT BE DONE, as there is ....
      TOO MUCH SPACE and not enough people.

    • @stewrmo
      @stewrmo Před 2 lety +9

      @@boudecia22 An interesting read. But, according to the US government's own statistics:
      " 86 of the mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and June 2022 involved weapons which were obtained legally; a clear majority. Only 16 incidents involved guns that were obtained illegally."
      Also, I have lived in the Scottish highlands, the least populated area in Europe. We also didn't have main roads, streetlights, mains water, mains sewage, mains gas, police near, wild animals. Never had or needed a gun. Also, analyses show that US state gun laws have become more permissive in recent decades, and that a growing divide in rates of mass shootings appears to be emerging between restrictive and permissive states. In other words, US states with more relaxed gun control laws and higher rates of gun ownership have higher rates of mass shootings.
      As far as I can see it comes down to whether you want safer schools for your kids to go to or more, and more lethal, guns.

    • @iriscollins7583
      @iriscollins7583 Před 2 lety +4

      @@boudecia22 Do you pay Taxes. Most of the things you mention should be paid and maintained from your taxes.

    • @1chish
      @1chish Před 2 lety +6

      @@boudecia22 I am sorry but I have read your comment twice now and I saw no positive argument for supporting everyone having guns. Not one. You have been subsumed into the American culture and 'gone native'.
      Australia is a very big country with even more space per head than the USA but THEY control guns very strictly. So the spacial argument is flawed.
      In fact if there were no guns in general ownership and just sporting or agricultural use guns under tight regulation as we have here in the UK the argument supports itself.

    • @1chish
      @1chish Před 2 lety +2

      @@stewrmo Good comment with solid facts. Well said.

  • @granmahurt3397
    @granmahurt3397 Před 2 lety +9

    I'm from Australia. We're a young country too, and from all corners of the world, like Americans. We did what England did in the 1970's. A mass shooting, and a gun by-back. We haven't had a mass shooting since.

    • @kikidee23
      @kikidee23 Před 2 lety

      Didn’t you have Port Arthur massacre in the 90s? That’s what caused a ban, and not a mass shooting since.

    • @kerrydoutch5104
      @kerrydoutch5104 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@kikidee23 Aussie here. I think it was poorly worded and not quite correct. The UK Hungerford massacre was in 1987. Dunblane and our Port Arthur massacres both occured in 1996.

  • @MrHolwell
    @MrHolwell Před 2 lety +6

    I am English I had shot gun and other guns the day after Dunblane I got rid of all my guns . I did not want people to look at me thinking I was like that man

  • @k.w9645
    @k.w9645 Před 2 lety +12

    Dunblane will forever live in my heart. Rest in paradise to all children around the world lost to gun violence 🙏 💔

  • @newbielurker
    @newbielurker Před 2 lety +14

    thing is, from what i can see following the us news, the gun owners are not willing to compromise gun ownership over the safety of childrens. even something simple like background checks to buy guns is not able to pass as a law. its ridiculous.

  • @colintook3357
    @colintook3357 Před rokem +4

    Dunblane hit the UK like a freight train!! I am so glad it changed our laws and made it really tough to get hold of a firearm.

  • @karengray662
    @karengray662 Před 2 lety +10

    Gun laws were already tight in UK before Dunblane. This just made us tighten them more & many people gave up guns voluntarily after this horrific event

    • @radicalcartoons2766
      @radicalcartoons2766 Před 2 lety +2

      The police did gun Amnestys - I remember my mum handing in her totally harmless clay pigeon rifle which she won prizes with as a young woman.

  • @22seanmurphy
    @22seanmurphy Před 2 lety +11

    Hello mate, I'm 58 from the UK and I've never seen a gun in my life, what you just showed was so touching as i could see it was hurting you, unfortunately gun's in the US will never stop as it makes to much money for your government, but for goodness sake they have to do something to make it harder for anyone to get a gun, 🍻🙏

    • @dyhale
      @dyhale Před rokem

      How? Not on CZcams what about airguns and airsoft

  • @keithorbell8946
    @keithorbell8946 Před 2 lety +8

    The Hungerford Massacre in 1987 really changed gun ownership laws. Before then we had strict licensing laws for firearms, but after there were restrictions on what type of weapons one could own (no fully automatic weapons, restricted size of magazines for shotguns, far stricter background checks, etc.).

  • @camptube7621
    @camptube7621 Před 2 lety +6

    Mick’s wife died a year before. This made it all the more tragic. Just him and her.

  • @marcdenniss43
    @marcdenniss43 Před 2 lety +4

    I remember watching this on the news, I ran n picked up my three Yr old daughter cried and told her, I'm so lucky to be holding you, those poor parents will never hold ther kids again, still upsets me now

  • @charlotteinnocent8752
    @charlotteinnocent8752 Před 2 lety +3

    Well done Dr. Mick. She is so proud of you. I am proud of you. Thank you for all the little girls you've saved!

  • @2heavenandback
    @2heavenandback Před 2 lety +10

    Pandoras box can be closed ... you just have to be willing to close the lid. Making the same mistake over and over .... you already know what that makes a person .

  • @royw-g3120
    @royw-g3120 Před rokem +2

    99.9% of Brits would report a friend /family member if they have an illegal firearm. It is not socially acceptable.

  • @charlestaylor9424
    @charlestaylor9424 Před 2 lety +15

    Keep the second amendment but only allow weapons the founding fathers had.

    • @truxton1000
      @truxton1000 Před 2 lety

      Are you saying they didn't have automatic assault rifles in 1789?? Must be a terrible time to be alive ;-)

    • @dnc2115
      @dnc2115 Před 2 lety +2

      Now thats a way to honour the amendment and equally save lives 👌

  • @annettemoore7264
    @annettemoore7264 Před 2 lety +21

    They wouldn't be taking an amendment out, it should be voted out by the people..we do it for the children..I would have loved to visit America, but to be honest, I was too scared 😳 the thought I could be walking down a street and some random shithead could just blast me away, for nothing horrifies me. we had a gun amnesty in my hometown of Liverpool UK after Dunblane, the womenfolk of the families where called upon to take whatever they knew their sons, husbands dads had at home and just hand them in, no questions asked, it worked for us but we didn't have the amount of weapons on the street as you guys, that's a lot of metal..stay safe, and take care bro...😏

  • @seanbarker4610
    @seanbarker4610 Před 2 lety +12

    You can still own guns in the UK if you are a member of a gun club, so it doesn't affect sports shooting in any way!

    • @jizzmonkey9679
      @jizzmonkey9679 Před 2 lety

      Are you sure about that?,I know quite a few people it affected

    • @leonbrooks2107
      @leonbrooks2107 Před 2 lety +8

      @@jizzmonkey9679 I used to be part of a gun club here in the UK with my uncle who used to be an Armed Police Officer. It’s not easy but then owning a weapon designed to kill shouldn’t be.

    • @jizzmonkey9679
      @jizzmonkey9679 Před 2 lety

      @@leonbrooks2107 I own 11 rifles and shotguns in the UK,getting the first 1 is the difficult bit, the stupid LBR and LBP laws affected quite a fewvof my freinds though

    • @iriscollins7583
      @iriscollins7583 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jizzmonkey9679 What a shame, NOT.

    • @jizzmonkey9679
      @jizzmonkey9679 Před 2 lety

      @@iriscollins7583 I guess you are one of the clueless ones who think the change in regulations prevented anything.
      I bet you have absolutely no idea what we can still own

  • @hywelw
    @hywelw Před rokem +2

    Here's a little known fact (outside of the UK anyway); Andy Murray, one of Britain's best known Tennis stars and gold medal Tennis Olympian was one of the kids attending that school in Dunblaine when this happened.
    Also, despite the report (correctly) saying that it was the parents of the killed children that campaigned against handguns, it was widely accepted and supported by the general populace of the UK because we wanted to minimise the risk and chance of a crackpot doing something like this again. We're still absolutely amazed that America has such a Wild West attitude to guns where this sort of thing happens on at least an annular bases.

  • @agnesmetanomski6730
    @agnesmetanomski6730 Před 2 lety +17

    As I see it, the problem is both social and economic: on the social front you have
    1) the obsession with "rights", as seen during the pandemic, that is such that like half the people in the country don't mind how many people suffer from their actions so long as they "protect" their "rights", by not wearing masks and/or not getting vaccinated. The same attitude makes it hard to bring in gun control, because the lives of others don't count if anyone feels their "rights" are being attacked. So the hundreds of children dying every year in mass shootings are an acceptable collateral damage to the conservation of said rights in the eyes of these people.
    2) the discrimination and bullying, be it because race, sexual orientation, "social rank", whatever, that seems to be running rampant all through the country, which must lead to anger and frustration.
    The economic part is tied with the way people are sistematically overworked and underpayed, can hardly get any vacation, no sick days, no nothing that I would deem a basic neecssity for LIVING an halfway decent LIFE, instead of just EXISTING. Here too, the consequences, on top of exhaustion, would be anger and frustration.
    Someone angry and frustrated enough, with no outlet for their emotions, will sooner or later explode. If they have access to a gun, well... the US news are full of the result.
    The sense of entitlement plus the frustration and anger turns pretty much every one into a potential powder keg that only needs the proper spark to explode. No amount of checks will be able to avoid having the next mass shooter getting their hands on a mass murder weapon, because most of those would pass the check before they get to the point of going off. What you need is a massive cultural change, so as to reduce the creation of sociopaths, and social laws, especially concerning work and healthcare (and no, that's not saying you have to become communists, for those that don't seem to understand basic English).

    • @boudecia22
      @boudecia22 Před 2 lety

      You are over simplifying the argument.
      Oh, and as for vaccines, NO ONE Should be FORCED against their will to have one if they don't want one. Do you also believe in my body my choice? If so, then others also have the right to choose. Most weren't against OTHERS having the vaccine, they objected to BEING FORCED, rather like pro lifers who want to FORCE women to carry a child to two and give birth. Btw, NO OTHER country did this. But no other country had their own head of state tell the nation that they didn't trust the vaccine, then a month later, try to force everyone to have it. Hypocrisy at its best.
      Not everyone lives in Chicago or New York. Most people live in very very small towns, more like villages. With the tiniest police force who CANNOT get to you if you need them.
      Most house break ins are committed by people who have guns and WILL use them. Add NO POLICE to that, any wgat are your choices?
      I'm british, I hate guns. They terrify me. I live in usa now, and I FINALLY understand. Only after living here did the REALITY of life here really dawn on me.
      Coyotes, bears, big fucking bears. Packs of wild dogs. Yes I want my husband to have a gun. And I would object if anyone wanted to take it away.
      Also. How many mass murderers had a LEGAL gun?
      So what goid will changing the law do, since these people didn't follow it before and will continue to break it.
      Reality.
      Gets in the way of all good ideas.
      If tjis country every actually fills up with people, to the point where the public transport betwork covers the entire country, and there is a national health system that works, THEN it will be time to deal with this. For now, it's way too much open space and way too few ppl. And rather a lot of dangerous wildlife.
      Reality.

  • @R0swell5104
    @R0swell5104 Před 2 lety +6

    What you have to remember is that there was never any gun culture in the UK or many other European countries.
    Making gun laws far more restrictive and banning hand guns and larger calibre semi autos was welcomed by the general public and many were in fact shocked that people could actually have such weapons.

  • @paulmakinson1965
    @paulmakinson1965 Před 2 lety +5

    I live in France. I have friends who like to shoot at the range, pistols or long range precision rifles. But it is very regulated. You can only own a gun if yours profession requires it, if you are a hunter (and only hunting rifles), or a registered member of a shooting club, or a collector of ancient weapons, those usually are disabled (firing pin taken out). They check your criminal and medical record. You can only store it in a safe. You have to transport it disassembled and separate from ammunition and only between your house and range or contest. All guns are registered in a database. You can buy guns on the black market, but it's dangerous to try and buy one. They might shoot you and take your money, thugs don't care. The gun might blow up in your face. No guarantee of quality there. How do you get resupplied with ammo? And jail terms are very long for illegal possession of guns.

  • @JugemuJugemuSmama
    @JugemuJugemuSmama Před 2 lety +11

    I mean there are Americans from America, it's called the Native Americans

  • @glastonbury4304
    @glastonbury4304 Před 2 lety +11

    they are ammendments and not commandments, but sadly what Americans are good at is talking, but rarely listen, just want to put their points over at all cost, a nation sadly at the top that loves money and has little empathy for its citizens , how can it ever be a land of the free, I think they should change that to land of the fee and home of the gun....sadly America is basically lawless enslaved by the top 1% of the country...😢

  • @wereleopard58yepihavetwo2

    Andy Murray the tennis player . He and his brother were in classes at that school, when this happened.

  • @missyprime8198
    @missyprime8198 Před 2 lety +3

    Dunblane was a shock to the whole nation, just as American's remember where they were when 911 happened I recall where I was when this news hit.
    I was in an engineering workshop, we had a single radio that you struggled to hear over the machinery. The man working closest to the radio suddenly shut his machine down and shouted for everyone else to shut their machines down as he turned the radio to full volume.
    Our boss heard the workshop go silent and came out of his office to see what was up, normally he'd have read us the riot act for shutting everything down. This day he listened in silence, then once he'd digested the news he told us all to take an hours break as he went to break the news to the office staff.
    That was the starting point for gun laws being changed & mass shootings are now very rare. No laws will be perfect but we tried to make sure this didn't happen again.
    I wish America could find a way to stop this happening in your schools but too many seem too numb to have the same strong reaction we did

  • @ShadowMosesLikes
    @ShadowMosesLikes Před 2 lety +6

    We don’t deserve to be living how we are living, as we don’t know how to handle it. Thank you for the video 🙏

  • @terryjackson8773
    @terryjackson8773 Před 2 lety +2

    A month after the Dunblane massacre, the Port Arthur massacre happened in Australia. We also jumped on our gun laws and brought in major changes. It can be done but only if the people stand up and be counted. Americans need to grow a pair and stand up to the gun lobbies.

  • @mariaobrien8228
    @mariaobrien8228 Před 2 lety +4

    Ireland has over 150 nationalities living in Ireland

    • @romystumpy1197
      @romystumpy1197 Před 29 dny

      It wasn't like that 40yrs ago when I was there, wonderful time , got my punt currency

  • @iriscollins7583
    @iriscollins7583 Před 2 lety +4

    Individualism? Look at the UK. It affects people just as everywhere else. We differ from street to street. Village to village, County to County, Country to Country. Wales, Scotland, England, Northern Ireland.We are all BritIsh.

  • @nokha4602
    @nokha4602 Před 2 lety +6

    The moment you started saying college kids wouldn't have been as bad and then backtracking shows how broken America is!!!
    Dunblane still resonates in the UK to this day 😢

    • @annicecooper8105
      @annicecooper8105 Před rokem +1

      That was pretty frigging shocking and shows just how normalised school shootings are. Really, really sad. ,😔

  • @TinaCBR750
    @TinaCBR750 Před rokem +2

    It blows my mind when I hear an American talk about how amazing and great their country is... You have the right to bear arms, but not the right to healthcare ?
    I'm in the UK, in 2006 they did an anniversary so that we would remember what happened to those small children and my blood ran cold, because my own daughter was the same age as then as they were when they died... Just 6 years old.
    That ignorant guy who said from my cold dead hand, I say to that WITH FKKN PLEASURE MATE !!!

  • @nickgov66
    @nickgov66 Před 2 lety +5

    I would like to lnow how the people walking around a supermarket with enormous semi automatic firearms on their backs equates to "a well regulated militia"? Which was why the 2nd ammendment was created.

  • @macdac9861
    @macdac9861 Před 2 lety +7

    You should do Jim Jeffery’s comedy skit on gun control

  • @davidshattock9522
    @davidshattock9522 Před 2 lety +2

    Actually on UK there was a shooting at hungerford with great loss of life.,then came dunblane

    • @radicalcartoons2766
      @radicalcartoons2766 Před 2 lety

      The Hungerford one was awful and bizarre, I knew all the places he went to. In court he blamed his violence on binge-watching the film Excalibur, which NOBODY could understand, its medieval knights in armour, fgs!

  • @petergaskin1811
    @petergaskin1811 Před 2 lety +7

    As a target shooter it is perfectly possible to legally own weapons in the UK. It's just that when talking about weapons that can kill people, we take things seriously. You must get checked out properly by your shooting peers in your Gun Club, by the police and by a qualified medical person. You can own permitted guns but you must keep them in a properly constructed gun cabinet and the police will come and check both its construction and how it's fixed to the structure of your house. And the one thing you can't do is store ammunition in your home with the guns. You can only store ammunition at your Gun Club. I shoot a historical bolt-action military weapon and I don't need or want any more than one. And I certainly don't miss the hand guns that I used to own.
    I just wonder what sort of Country America really is where citizens are given the right to own weapons of war to protect themselves from their own Government or to keep themselves from harm. No-one in most of the UK has ever needed to do that, at least not in my living memory.

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat Před 11 měsíci

      What do you shoot?
      SMLE?

    • @tacfoley4443
      @tacfoley4443 Před 10 měsíci

      Section 1 firearms AND ammunition CAN be kept at home, but in different secure containers.

  • @stox-sj2pe
    @stox-sj2pe Před 2 lety +3

    The 2nd Amendment (1791) had nothing to do with the British. The War of Independence ended 8 years earlier with the Treaty of Paris and Britain recognising USA as 'sovereign and independent'.

  • @queenbabylonia4594
    @queenbabylonia4594 Před 2 lety +3

    Even before this, in the U.K. many had weapons kept as souvenirs from the last war. People had no licence, no records of these. The Government put out an amnesty for people to hand in at the local Police Station. My neighbour was an officer and he said they were overwhelmed with the amount of weaponry including ‘bombs’ (grenades) that were handed in. He even had an old lady bring in a box and within was a pair of original antique French duelling pistols, he said these suffered the same fate as the rest, sent off to be destroyed.

  • @StephenLowe
    @StephenLowe Před 2 lety +3

    It’s not illegal to own a hand gun in UK. But there is a lot of regs about muzzle length

    • @mikeandtaraoliver3709
      @mikeandtaraoliver3709 Před 2 lety

      You still need a licence, unless specific antique firearms.

    • @StephenLowe
      @StephenLowe Před 2 lety

      @@mikeandtaraoliver3709 I did say there we regulations

  • @darrenwalton8918
    @darrenwalton8918 Před 2 lety +8

    Fair play my G great content, call me a stupid Brit but banning automatic weapons AR15 and shit ISN'T the same as banning ALL firearms so you can do both,

  • @darylring898
    @darylring898 Před 2 lety +3

    Trivia fact, The Tennis player Andy Murray was in that school as a toddler at the time.

    • @alisonrandall3039
      @alisonrandall3039 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Andy was 9 when the shooting took place. His class was on the way to have a gym lesson.

  • @chelseaoliver5404
    @chelseaoliver5404 Před 2 lety +4

    Dunblane also changed the way our schools were, there was higher fences and entry systems introduced

    • @janettechapple1782
      @janettechapple1782 Před rokem +1

      I was a teacher in an infants school at the time of Dunblane. I remember all the entry doors having security pads fitted, and intercoms installed. It was stunning to me.

  • @carolinegrant7788
    @carolinegrant7788 Před 2 lety +2

    To limit the types of guns allowed does not break the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment does not specify the types of guns allowed.

  • @MidoriyamaRArekusu
    @MidoriyamaRArekusu Před 2 lety +3

    My dad actually owned a few guns before Dunblane; he handed all his guns over and only had replicas and ones that fired blanks left.
    He said he was sad to be rid of them but he completely understood why.
    I just remember when I was a small kid and I got hold of one of those and fired it near my head. It was super loud for blanks. But had it been a real gun I’d have seriously hurt myself.

  • @roberthutchison1561
    @roberthutchison1561 Před 2 lety +8

    That happened in New Zealand to after the massive shooting in 1990 in dunedin and after the 2019 chch shooting

    • @icebergrose8955
      @icebergrose8955 Před 2 lety

      True. We could have changed our laws after the Australian Port Arthur shooting but New Zealand didn't think anyone here would do that. Turns out one reason the shooter came to our country was because of our lax gun laws. We were stupid and 52 people paid with their lives.

  • @freakygoblin3068
    @freakygoblin3068 Před 2 lety +14

    To be fair before Dunblane we, in the UK, had the Hungerford Shooting which led to the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988. It wasn't simply one atrocity that led to the recognition that firearm laws needed severe change and restriction. One advantage the UK had was we didn't have the lobbying effect of anything like the gun companies and NRA taking advantage of deep purses. I think comparisons between Switzerland and the US is more practical when looking for a way forward for the US.

    • @robertseavor4304
      @robertseavor4304 Před 2 lety

      They never talk about the thousands of crimes prevented in America every year by armed citizens. During the 2020 riots armed citizens defended their lives, homes and businesses from violent mobs. America is awash with illegal guns. Violent crime is worse in cities and states with the toughest gun laws. Most mass shootings were committed by people who obtained guns illegally. Changing gun laws will not reduce gun crime. It will only affect the the ability of law-abiding citizens to defend themselves from criminals and despotic government. The Democratic Party is hell bent on despotism.

    • @freakygoblin3068
      @freakygoblin3068 Před 2 lety

      ​@@robertseavor4304 Your whole attitude of "..law-abiding citizens to defend themselves from criminals and despotic government.." shows just what is wrong. You shouldn't need to in a civilized democracy. The fact you claim to have to shows how badly republicans and democrats have messed the country up. Other countries have high gun numbers yet effectively no mass shootings. It's not simply gun ownership which is the problem, it's the attitude.

    • @robertseavor4304
      @robertseavor4304 Před 2 lety +2

      @@freakygoblin3068 You shouldn't need to defend yourself in a civilised society?????? Grow up.

    • @freakygoblin3068
      @freakygoblin3068 Před 2 lety +4

      @@robertseavor4304 Funny how so many civilised societies do not need guns in the general population isn't it. Then you also have countries where gun ownership is high yet incidents involving guns are low. Sweden is a good example and one America should be looking at carefully when it comes to gun control. Attempting to dismiss/excuse killings instead of solving the problems sounds childish to me.

    • @FloridaBikerJP
      @FloridaBikerJP Před 2 lety

      @@freakygoblin3068 Ironic, glad to know the state pampers you. I guess you forget the record genocides orchestrated by governments in post modernist century?
      What is it, 200-250 million people between China, Russia and Africa alone? Gun ownership comes at a cost, but there is no greater cost than being unarmed, history has showed. Continue to live in the delusion, though.

  • @lauratunes4098
    @lauratunes4098 Před 2 lety +2

    Going to head off now, am getting too angry n disgusted even thinking about this issue.🤯🤯

  • @sarahpagett9191
    @sarahpagett9191 Před rokem +1

    Im british and at that time i had a 2yr little daughter i was 19yrs old when dunblane happened when i saw the news i think i cried the whole day and couldnt imagine why he wiuld target innocent children if your angry shoot politicians not innocent children

  • @charliew4823
    @charliew4823 Před 2 lety +8

    Sean America will never be free of these shootings because of your 2nd amendment that was put in place in 1791 it was a different world the UK and Australia never had the right to bear arms in any of their laws so it was relatively easy to ban these weapons.

    • @RareSoulTV
      @RareSoulTV  Před 2 lety +1

      exactly

    • @aaranross952
      @aaranross952 Před 2 lety +8

      But it's called amendment, they can amend it 🤙

    • @ynysvon
      @ynysvon Před 2 lety +8

      And also in 1791 they only had single shot guns that at best could fire two or three rounds a minute, and apart from the military where nearly only used for hunting purposes.

    • @meIevolence
      @meIevolence Před 2 lety +2

      @@aaranross952 - But they won’t! Because they’re value guns over their children. Madness.

  • @emiliajojo5703
    @emiliajojo5703 Před 2 lety +10

    You have to train your kids how to react!!!that's sick!!!

  • @nataliewallace
    @nataliewallace Před rokem +2

    there's been 2 mass shootings in America this week and it's only fucking Tuesday!

  • @SarseeDGLover
    @SarseeDGLover Před 2 lety +2

    The father from dunblane he had moved there after his wife had died to give his daughter a fresh start ..

  • @karenstrong8887
    @karenstrong8887 Před 2 lety +3

    Australia’s only mass shooting was a couple of weeks after Dunblane in April 1996. Our guns were gone in the same year. The shooter was a 21 year old millionaire. We haven’t owned guns since then unless you are a farmer that needs to protect stock from predators. You do not need an automatic or an assault rifle to do that. The Government bought back everyone’s guns. They did it again in the last year or two.
    No one misses them and we like our children to grow up. That makes us more free than America. Our kids are not afraid to go to school. I have never been able to touch or pickup a gun in my life. Once my sister was getting dressed and asked me to pass her a Police Gun. I tried and I couldn’t. She never used hers once in her whole Police Career. She found that caring about people and talking to them did more good.
    Australia is just as mixed in race as America is. Not a good excuse. When your second Amendment was written, guns may have been important then. It is time to rewrite them and bring them up to date. I can’t watch the news anymore and every time my baby goes to America I die a little more. If you try to change things now you will have another war inside your own Country. Nothing will change until the people all stand together. Here everyone over 18 has to vote. We just took out a Government that only cared about the very wealthy who don’t like paying taxes. There are more of us together than the very wealthy. They are gone and that is real people power.
    Every life lost is worth more than any guns.

    • @MazzaEliLi7406
      @MazzaEliLi7406 Před 10 měsíci

      Keep up the good work. Perhaps there is still hope for the UK after all . . .

  • @MadzGoose
    @MadzGoose Před 2 lety +4

    The problem is Americans take the amendment wayy too fucking literally.. They HAVE the right to bare arms... That does not mean you MUST bare the biggest and baddest arms at all times regardless of the actual level of possible or MERELY PERCEIVED threat to your life... It just means that IF for some reason a WAR broke out in your country, you would HAVE the right to pick up a gun and defend yourself! THAT'S IT!! THAT'S LITERALLY ALL IT IS MEANT FOR!! CONTEXT... CONTEXT... CONTEXT ALWAYS MATTERS!! 😫

    • @MazzaEliLi7406
      @MazzaEliLi7406 Před 10 měsíci

      I used to be a union rep & a health & safety rep many moons ago & learned that premises must be maintained to ensure that even felons could go about their dastardly crimes with out risk to life & limb. One is allowed to defend against an aggressor but must limit the response to the aggressor with the minimum of retaliatory force. Any kind of weapon is a no-no. In Japan Pepper spray is banned but in the USA it is sold as a key fob.

  • @paulmakinson1965
    @paulmakinson1965 Před 2 lety +2

    Freedom is not absolute. Your freedom ends where your neighbor's freedom begins. In the US, there was so much space that many people did not have neighbors.

  • @thomasbelassie
    @thomasbelassie Před rokem +1

    We have shooting ranges in the uk. For handguns, you can hire them on the range, but hand them back at the end of the end of the session

    • @tacfoley4443
      @tacfoley4443 Před 10 měsíci

      The only handgun you can shoot legally in Mainland UK, as a guest on a range, is a black powder, front-loading handgun.

  • @GenghisKhanDaG
    @GenghisKhanDaG Před 2 lety +5

    I feel for these people, I’d rather it happen to me in a high school (I’m 13) than it happen to my little brother (8) nd little cousin (6 or 7) I don’t remember the exact age of them💙😕

  • @gosesnuff
    @gosesnuff Před 2 lety +10

    Just like someone else mentioned here, they are called amendments, they can be amended. It isn't strange or outrageous that laws have to be updated with the times. The founding fathers had no concept of modern day arms, guns worked rather differently 200+ years ago.

  • @Bazroshan
    @Bazroshan Před 2 lety +2

    Licences for pistols were first required in 1903 in UK. After WW 1, there were so many firearms knocking about that the Firearms Act 1920 was passed to impose further restrictions. Numerous Acts since then. The Dunblane and Hungerford incidents occurred despite all the controls but we should be thankful that these incidents are very rare in UK.

  • @zoefree3950
    @zoefree3950 Před 2 lety +2

    Andy Murray the tennis player was there hiding under a desk…he used to occasionally get lifts from the shooter. Apparently he was a nice bloke who got on with everyone……it’s the weirdest thing, he just snapped 🤷‍♀️

  • @lauratunes4098
    @lauratunes4098 Před 2 lety +3

    Americans! Raise the age for buying/owning firearms to the same age when you can legally buy alcoholic products. With exemptions for the military. End of conversation, with utmost respect, it's not rocket science. I weep for the parents of school age children in America 😓😓

  • @beh2969
    @beh2969 Před 2 lety +4

    About being ‘American’.. your children pledge allegiance to the flag every day at school. Americans appear (to the rest of the world) to be a very patriotic country. Yet, it seems like there is no sense of a society or collective good - making individual sacrifices for the good of all.

    • @MazzaEliLi7406
      @MazzaEliLi7406 Před 10 měsíci

      Thatcher claimed that, 'there is no such thing as society' & proceeded to deliberately dismantle settled, self policing communities thus proving that there is such a thing as society but that it could be undermined by government policies & legislation coupled with propaganda.

  • @demoneIephant
    @demoneIephant Před 2 lety +2

    308 mass shootings in America just in 2022 :(

  • @TrimTrimmer
    @TrimTrimmer Před rokem +1

    The thing is everyone is defenceless to a gun and the purpose of guns are to kill, it’s common sense not to have them

  • @azzifyy5988
    @azzifyy5988 Před 2 lety +9

    The UK has only banned guns for people with no reason to own a gun, Self defense doesn't count as a reason but sporting and leisure is a legitimate reason to own a firearm.

    • @reecegraves3738
      @reecegraves3738 Před 2 lety

      Ye you lot have no regulations to prove your using a gun for sporting purposes. And you can literally buy a fucking gun so easily even at 18yr.
      No wonder you have so many shootings

    • @radicalcartoons2766
      @radicalcartoons2766 Před 2 lety

      But we have had court cases which have exonerated homeowners who defended themselves with guns against burglars et.

    • @azzifyy5988
      @azzifyy5988 Před 2 lety

      @@radicalcartoons2766 That's a fair point however if you compare the death rate due to firearms you'll find that the UK has one gun related per million people per year so that's an estimate of 67. The US on the other hand has 119 deaths per million people per year due to gun related causes That is equivalent to an estimated 7973 deaths due to guns with the same population size as the UK. The US also has a higher knife crime rate with 4.96 murders per million people due to sharp objects compared to 3.26 murders per million people due to sharp objects in the UK. The US is a relatively young country so it makes sense that it's less civilised and you're more likely to have a violent death.

    • @MazzaEliLi7406
      @MazzaEliLi7406 Před 10 měsíci

      @@radicalcartoons2766 We? From whence do you hail?

  • @charliew4823
    @charliew4823 Před 2 lety +8

    Sean you named every nationality in America except for the native indian tribes that lived there for thousands of years.

    • @RareSoulTV
      @RareSoulTV  Před 2 lety +6

      I’m part native Indian and none of us called this country “America” until some random dude from Europe did lol. so even having Native American in my blood none of my elders considered themselves “American” technically hope that makes sense

    • @charliew4823
      @charliew4823 Před 2 lety +4

      @@RareSoulTV Thank you for the explanation it does make sense to me now.

    • @OblivionGate
      @OblivionGate Před 2 lety +4

      He also didn't mention the English who were the first Europeans who founded America and set up the original 13 colonies. They originally landed in Jamestown and went over from England on the ship called the Mayflower. English people were the first to face the Native Indians and actually got on well with them. So you mentioned everyone except the English who technically "founded" America. Even George Washington was a descendent of English Royalty and so are a lot of your past presidents. Also a large number of Americans have got English heritage. Don't forget when America was fighting the British for independence it was technically the British fighting the British as Americans were at the time British people.

    • @charlestaylor9424
      @charlestaylor9424 Před 2 lety +1

      @@OblivionGate George Washington had no ancestry who were royalty. One was a knight but no royal blood.

    • @OblivionGate
      @OblivionGate Před 2 lety +3

      @@charlestaylor9424 You need to brush up on your history.

  • @jeanwinter7371
    @jeanwinter7371 Před rokem +2

    Absolutely let people have guns as the second amendment says . But the sort of guns they had back in that day . How could they have forseen militery weapons of today.

  • @kristin1980uk
    @kristin1980uk Před rokem +2

    But surely they could have a countrywide vote. Give three options and vote accordingly. The people decide.