Good work del in getting the job put right. Whoever has wired it has made a right mess like you say it wanted bigger conduit, another point to mention is all them different circuits travelling through accessories they should of used tee boxes then drop down to the accessory eg socket or switch.
Din rail terminals should never be used like that. They are designed to be pushed together, an insulated end plate fitted to the last terminal in the row and end stops used either side of the terminals to keep them in place. Whoever installed them doesnt have a clue what they are doing.
Jesus Del - that's got me head battered mate. Pleased it was sorted by the end. 21 sockets on the same ring sounds like a lot - are they never going to plug anything in.
It's so fascinating to me, as an American, how different wiring practices are there and here. That commercial panelboard looks semi-familiar, though! Thanks for the video!
Great seeing you get right stuck in with this one! and it's good seeing how problems occur especially with what someone's tried to fit sooo many wires in conduit, perhaps no planning was involved? :)
Some times the din rail earth terminals connect to the din rail and cause parallel paths. If I use din rail terminals now I have stopped using the green/yellow terminals and use grey etc as it caused problems including induction of voltage onto other connected circuits etc.
Nice one Del......that original job looked piss poor with no thought gone into it , should of been done in some 2" galv trunking as the main artery and there was way too many cables in that conduit , nice to see you got it sorted......👍 Ps....its only 15 weeks to Christmas.......😜
Hi Del your earth interconnection is at those earth terminals in the trunking you need to change the earth terminals for insulated terminals. The earth terminals green and yellow ones when screwed to the din rail are continuos with each other connect the earth cables from each circuit through insulated din rail terminals will sort the interconnection, no need for pulling in extra cables.
@@bigsteve6729 what voltage was it showing? Induced, leakage, some sort of cross over in the circuits, rubbed cable insulation, failing discharge gear in the lighting? Alsorts of situations can make a socket tester show faults that maybe real or phantom. Once a socket tester shows issues you should be moving onto insulation testing to verify there is a fault and if so where. So in answer to your you question, no most likely the tester is not broken but they will work on erinaceous voltages and no real curret some of which could be induced through cpc's running with live cables, these units take very little power and can be fooled by some of the situations listed above. A socket polarity testing unit is intended to give a quick indication that the polarity is correct when the power is energised it is not a fault finding instrument that can give you anything like the level of information required to make a fully factual decision as to what fault you may or may not be chasing.
That is really poor installation on the part of the sparkie, it's almost like the cores have been damaged by friction burning when they were pulled into the conduits. People cheaping out on conduits that are too small are a real pain in the arse.
I'm half way through the video. Looks like objectional current (as Mike Holt says). Neutral to ground, but seeing as there are no loads connected to any of the sockets. There would be an current imbalance phase to neutral, so why is the RCB/GFCI not tripping ?
Several of those 90° turns using those round boxes... a nice elbow would look so much better. Otherwise, I think that conduit work looks really sharp. It's just a shame most of the conduits are too small!
Surely the nic doesn’t allow din rail connectors mounted in trunking . The cables should be brought out of the trunking to a box with the din rail and connectors mounted .
😂 you may as well of been speaking Japanese to the client when you were explaining what you’d done he didn’t have a clue , he was just saying “yeah yeah” and agreeing with everything you said. You could of told him you were going to install a rubber 🦆 and he would of been like “yeah yeah” nodding like Churchill 🐶
I'm pretty sure it asks for the x5 not the x1 but you should still carry out a test on both/all 3 settings correct me if I wrong: Edit as a side note I still note down the x1 on the test results just to show I have done it
Less than 7 minutes in and I am already thinking it's voltage leak from the emergency lights. Will edit later if I am wrong. Didn't appear to be wrong as Del never really went back into it but I've had that buzzing and voltage so many times before in commercial premises with metal containment and emergency lighting that you just get used to it. Fastest way to test is if you turn off everything but lighting, buzz stays then it's the lighting circuit, after that turn off all the light fittings (normal office fittings) if buzzing still persists then turn off the fish tail keys. More than likely it's the permanent feed to the emergency lights and the inverter leaking voltage normally 7-12 volts a fitting down the cpc - normally DC so if touched oh it hurts. Either swap out the fittings for new ones or have total cpc separation back to the board.
could have even done dual conduit boxes with 25mm conduit, instead of single entry conduit boxes, 2 in 2 out or 4 in 4 out , you would have to rip this all out and start again rather than work with whats there
really enjoy your videos. really good work. the only thing is that the Wago connectors are from a German company and therefore Wago is pronounced as Vago. sorry to pick this up but its a common mispronounce within the industry.
Looks like a rip out and re-wire. Poor workmanship to whoever installed that! Lighting rings shouldn't even share the same conduit as socket rings, unless there is no other option available.
I think overslept by a few months 🤣
Oh good , happy new year then! 😃
Great to see uback how much is yr day rate?
Del has been time traveling again.
@Duf Jax He's been modifying that flux capacitor again :)
@@MisterT-uk Nah, he's just looking forward to a Merry Late Whit-Easter next year...
Good work del in getting the job put right. Whoever has wired it has made a right mess like you say it wanted bigger conduit, another point to mention is all them different circuits travelling through accessories they should of used tee boxes then drop down to the accessory eg socket or switch.
Del your videos are the most interesting to me out of the sparks on CZcams, it's really good to see your troubleshooting process.
Din rail terminals should never be used like that. They are designed to be pushed together, an insulated end plate fitted to the last terminal in the row and end stops used either side of the terminals to keep them in place. Whoever installed them doesnt have a clue what they are doing.
They forgot the end stops to keep the dinrail terminals together
Jesus Del - that's got me head battered mate. Pleased it was sorted by the end. 21 sockets on the same ring sounds like a lot - are they never going to plug anything in.
It's so fascinating to me, as an American, how different wiring practices are there and here. That commercial panelboard looks semi-familiar, though! Thanks for the video!
Surely you yanks don’t wire ya earths together?
@@berniewilson4438 What do you mean?
Delroy, you are a good old fashioned spark.
Great seeing you get right stuck in with this one! and it's good seeing how problems occur especially with what someone's tried to fit sooo many wires in conduit, perhaps no planning was involved? :)
Good to see you getting the young boke involved as this was to me a real nightmare looking sort of job.
Great finish work 👍
This is exactly why star-grounding is so important in radio equipment. All separate grounds should return to a single common ground point.
Hahaha looks like my house. Absolute nightmare of a bodge.
Top video as always Delroy 👌🏻
Some times the din rail earth terminals connect to the din rail and cause parallel paths. If I use din rail terminals now I have stopped using the green/yellow terminals and use grey etc as it caused problems including induction of voltage onto other connected circuits etc.
Health & Safety : The premises manager/painters should have notified everyone in the vicinity about the open Spray Painting .....
great idea ze with the socket
Looks like you might have to rewire it again ❤😊😊
This is a perfect Job
Big open space with everything at eye level
Makes a change to the Hobbit spaces the sparks are usually in
My! It soon comes around!
Quick question. Do they not have circuit tracers over in Uk? I see All sorts of physical tracing which seems time consuming.
good job, interesting too
Wow, Del was in that factory for eight months. That's dedication to a job.
Nice one Del......that original job looked piss poor with no thought gone into it , should of been done in some 2" galv trunking as the main artery and there was way too many cables in that conduit , nice to see you got it sorted......👍
Ps....its only 15 weeks to Christmas.......😜
Empty warehouse and lots of large Gas Cylinders inside under a commuter train line so nothing to worry about here ...
It's Halon/Inert gas, so yeah nothing to worry about.
Those gas cylinders are a Carbon Dioxide Fire Suppression System.
My wife wants to know what music you play when you are working at hyper speed... she said maybe it would make me work as fast LOL!
Hi Del your earth interconnection is at those earth terminals in the trunking you need to change the earth terminals for insulated terminals. The earth terminals green and yellow ones when screwed to the din rail are continuos with each other connect the earth cables from each circuit through insulated din rail terminals will sort the interconnection, no need for pulling in extra cables.
Didnt udo theconduit n wiring?
Merry Christmas!?
So are the 6 cables not supply and return of circuit? Additional 4mm outlets might be radial? Sincerely sent cause we are a community ❤
Trusting a socket tester is not he answer. Insulation testing would tell you more.
What the socket tester is broken and now it sucks power from the atmosphere?
@@bigsteve6729 what voltage was it showing? Induced, leakage, some sort of cross over in the circuits, rubbed cable insulation, failing discharge gear in the lighting? Alsorts of situations can make a socket tester show faults that maybe real or phantom. Once a socket tester shows issues you should be moving onto insulation testing to verify there is a fault and if so where.
So in answer to your you question, no most likely the tester is not broken but they will work on erinaceous voltages and no real curret some of which could be induced through cpc's running with live cables, these units take very little power and can be fooled by some of the situations listed above. A socket polarity testing unit is intended to give a quick indication that the polarity is correct when the power is energised it is not a fault finding instrument that can give you anything like the level of information required to make a fully factual decision as to what fault you may or may not be chasing.
That is really poor installation on the part of the sparkie, it's almost like the cores have been damaged by friction burning when they were pulled into the conduits.
People cheaping out on conduits that are too small are a real pain in the arse.
Can't tell if I heard a dlr go past on the vid or smth, those screeches are definitely from a tfl train
I'm half way through the video. Looks like objectional current (as Mike Holt says). Neutral to ground, but seeing as there are no loads connected to any of the sockets. There would be an current imbalance phase to neutral, so why is the RCB/GFCI not tripping ?
who is the music ? is it a stock CZcams thing ? or did you license it from somewhere ?
Several of those 90° turns using those round boxes... a nice elbow would look so much better. Otherwise, I think that conduit work looks really sharp. It's just a shame most of the conduits are too small!
Surely the nic doesn’t allow din rail connectors mounted in trunking . The cables should be brought out of the trunking to a box with the din rail and connectors mounted .
Shame a bout the din rail. Looks quite neat just didn't work 😂
The voltage you was getting I belive was due to the emergency lights
😂 you may as well of been speaking Japanese to the client when you were explaining what you’d done he didn’t have a clue , he was just saying “yeah yeah” and agreeing with everything you said. You could of told him you were going to install a rubber 🦆 and he would of been like “yeah yeah” nodding like Churchill 🐶
I'm pretty sure it asks for the x5 not the x1 but you should still carry out a test on both/all 3 settings correct me if I wrong: Edit as a side note I still note down the x1 on the test results just to show I have done it
You've just answered your own question mate. Clever man
Less than 7 minutes in and I am already thinking it's voltage leak from the emergency lights. Will edit later if I am wrong. Didn't appear to be wrong as Del never really went back into it but I've had that buzzing and voltage so many times before in commercial premises with metal containment and emergency lighting that you just get used to it.
Fastest way to test is if you turn off everything but lighting, buzz stays then it's the lighting circuit, after that turn off all the light fittings (normal office fittings) if buzzing still persists then turn off the fish tail keys. More than likely it's the permanent feed to the emergency lights and the inverter leaking voltage normally 7-12 volts a fitting down the cpc - normally DC so if touched oh it hurts. Either swap out the fittings for new ones or have total cpc separation back to the board.
Hi brother this is sis watching you from Jamaica I'm so proud of you. You could be a surgeon you displayed so much patience. Love u
That could have been a faulty tester picking up like 1v, use a multi-tester dude
How much day rate?
100/hr
could have even done dual conduit boxes with 25mm conduit, instead of single entry conduit boxes, 2 in 2 out or 4 in 4 out , you would have to rip this all out and start again rather than work with whats there
Christmas in August
Shouldn't that enormous building with all those outlets have more circuits than that?
Probably capacitive induction from all those conductors crammed into those conduits
big ring? but at 5:35 not the problem. i keep watching
Ah... the joys of conduit bashing, as a weasley 22 year old 32mm was fun, not. still have my dies 20/25mm need a Hilmor though.
What’s happened. Did I step In a time warp !
How much hr u charge
£1000
really enjoy your videos. really good work. the only thing is that the Wago connectors are from a German company and therefore Wago is pronounced as Vago. sorry to pick this up but its a common
mispronounce within the industry.
Same as BMW but noone here calls them Bee Eem Vays
thers a fault in the earthing system easy as that
Looks like a rip out and re-wire. Poor workmanship to whoever installed that! Lighting rings shouldn't even share the same conduit as socket rings, unless there is no other option available.
Try spraying some of that Flash on it?
All in a week's work.
Nice job!
🥃🥃🍺🍺🍺🍿🏌🏻♀️
Stay safe.
Retired (werk'n)keyboard super tech. Wear your safety glasses.
This is your job delroy, you must have done that