How South Park DESTROYED Scientology: Ex-Scientologist
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2023
- EXCLUSIVE: Marc Headley (@blownforgood) leaks the Scientology 'spy files' that finally reveal the depths scientologists went to to stop South Park releasing their episode mocking Tom Cruise and exposing the secrets about Lord Xenu, body thetans and other scientology folklore. It's incredible how South Park ruined Scientology by converting countless scientologists away from the cult.
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It's easier to deceive a man than to convince him that he has been deceived. - Mark Twain
Remember that L Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer who once said that if you ever want to make a fortune just start your own religion.
Take away their tax exempt status. They can’t survive without it
My dear friend who was born into Scientology ended up being diagnosed with schizophrenia but because they don’t believe in mental illness or pharmaceutical intervention.. in 3 years she went from a fully functioning, working adult to dying alone in a homeless encampment in Skid Row. I will never forgive her family for failing her so badly.
Same as jehovah witness. Its a cult. Scamming people out of their money. Stay clear.
Incredibly sad. Scientology is a cult. Ming boggling how they’ve dodged the legal bullet with all the awful crimes they’ve committed and continue to do so.
So so sorry RIP to her sweet girl
Sounds like she was fine until she left
@@Kyle-zq6qr Sounds like she was fine until being diagnosed with schitzophrenia! If she didn't take meds, because they didn't believe in it, obviously, she hadn't left!
This is why humour and satire are essential. South Park slays all the dragons.
i just saw the S.Park episode with the Prince & Princess of Canada, geezus, if i were either of them (& if i were being honest with myself), i would have to ask myself if maybe the South Parkers were onto something, it's funny too how it ends with Harry siding with Kyle, who's talking sense, & follows him out the door, leaving Meghan standing there, eyes blinking & vacuous, in the office building with her "Branding Coach".
@@mindsigh4 I figured they were mocking everything, including the public opinion and the hatred of them and everything people assume, which are incorrect, and that is more ridiculous than anything else. Don’t believe the propaganda. PS, they’re not the least bit angry about it.
If the wokes had their way humour would be banned.
And some slayings they should not have even attempted (malicious/immoral/gross/orher), ... butt I guess they were compelled test all the limits
@@mindsigh4 hopefully prophetic
It sounds like Scientology could have been written by a science fiction writer. Oh, yeah - it was. Please Scientology sue me - I could use the money.
He talked about making more money from religion than from writing scifi (which he was trying to do), at several parties with / for scifi writers. They have a lot of contempt for him. L. Ron Hubbard. Died in 1986.
From Wikipedia:
"Hubbard and second wife Sara
Hubbard's fellow writers were well aware of what had happened between him and Parsons. L. Sprague de Camp wrote to Isaac Asimov on August 27, 1946, to tell him:
The more complete story of Hubbard is that he is now in Fla. living on his yacht with a man-eating tigress named Betty-alias-Sarah, another of the same kind ... He will probably soon thereafter arrive in these parts with Betty-Sarah, broke, working the poor-wounded-veteran racket for all its worth, and looking for another easy mark. Don't say you haven't been warned. Bob [Robert Heinlein] thinks Ron went to pieces morally as a result of the war. I think that's fertilizer, that he always was that way, but when he wanted to conciliate or get something from somebody he could put on a good charm act. What the war did was to wear him down to where he no longer bothers with the act."
The bible also written by sci-fi writers also. Just the sci-fi of the time wasn't very good.
... written by a _lousy_ science fiction writer...
A very bad science fiction writer. I read some of his stuff when I was a kid and always remembered his name in order to not buy any more .
@J Furl
I kind of liked his lunatic Science Fiction.
I've always had a bad taste in such literature!
I once in a book store read a page or two in a book, I think it was named "Dianetics", written by him.
It was very elaborate nonsense!
But you could read a long paragraph of seemingly impressive text, which almost seemed to mean something.
I think he was a very proficient conman!
I guess it was close to his Scientology ideas. But I haven't heard it mentioned as such.
I wonder why is that!
Perhaps that's what they are selling more expensively as Scientology, so they don't want to have it revealed more cheaply.
Back in the day, Scientology was banned in Australia. My recollection was that most people thought they were cray cray....
And now Hillsong has taken over smh
Lord Xenu is just a broke ass Thanos
In the Netherlands we had a journalist/writer who outed scientology's story. They sued her for over 10 years (1995 - 2005), lost 1 time and dropped the case the second attempt.
Excellent!
Hoi, welke schrijver was dit? Wil ik even opzoeken.
@@womenfrom0202 Karin Spaink
It’s nuts
I remember being about 20 and being approached by Scientologists for a survey - conducted an analysis and said that I needed some help - it all seemed really suss and I got out of there as quick as I could
@@SKYRIDGENIGERIANDWARFSthey used to stop people in London on Tottenham Court Road and offer a personality test. I overheard one of them on the tube once trying to convert someone - it was classic indoctrination bullshit which you recognise if you've done any reading on the subject (unfortunately people do that less and less).
Well done men. South Park deserves kudos
Leah Remini telling how she learned about Xenu is hysterical. It was hearing about him that woke her up.
I am not sure what you expect at that level of cultish religion.
I know plenty of actual "gnostic" knowledge. I do not propagate the knowledge because it is fucking dangerous and I do not trust people by default.
The Internet outed Scientology in the early 90’s, which is why so many people feel like they always knew this. But it’s also important to know that a lot of people in Scientology are shielded from pop culture, so many of them might not have ever been aware of the full beliefs until / unless they escaped.
David Miscavige’s niece, Jenny Miscavige escaped Scientology after learning the truth about Xenu from watching the South Park episode
They going to bring her back …
Bet she is wondering where her mother is.
She wrote a really good book called beyond belief
I think Scientology could be laughed out of existence.
Its already been laughed into existence.
Never laugh at the tiny people like misscarriage they can get scary dangerous
Ops I think I am done for now misscarriage will now send paparazzi after me for calling him tiny
Seems to be working for Meghan and Harry
SHOULD Be Laughed out of Existence!
While I was in high school, our class got an assignment to do a presentation on various religions and belief systems. My friend and I were assigned to talk about Scientology.
All of the other presentations were outlining the history and general positive aspects of their religions. Then it was our turn to speak about our assigned religion.
I had actually tried to find something positive to talk about, but the deeper I looked the worse it was. So we just spent the entirety of the alotted time insulting Scientology and explaining exactly what they do and why they are so horrible.
Oh that's excellent. Hopefully you got a good grade. ;)
That's pretty good
The ideal would have been if everyone gave a nuanced view of their assigned religions. The good and the bad.
It’s not an insult if it’s true
@@Sapphireiathere is no good in scientology. It’s not a religion, it’s a cult.
The Tom Cruise episode was brilliant. “Tom Cruise, come out of the closet.” Pure gold.
My father told me once about Scientology "Never trust a person wearing a naval uniform when there is no ship in sight." Years later when I saw pictures of the Sea Org members in their uniforms I understood what he ment.
Never heard of "Sea Org" so I looked it up and laughed my ass off when I understood this comment.
Never trust anyone wearing robes and funny hats who claim to speak for God.
@@thebottles2667 I don't trust any religion. That being said do what makes you happy in life as long as you aren't hurting anyone else. And if you want to come at people with thinly veiled Nazi horseshit I don't recommend doing that. There is a reason why an entire genre exists in video games just to shoot Nazis. Free people like doing it.
@@thebottles2667 especially if you are a child
Youre father's advice should go in every book of quotes & repeated incessantly.
Imagine being the Scientologist that saw the southpark episode, dismissed it as false, spent money to advanve, just to find the Xenu story was real and key to continue to advance. How anyone would advance beyond that without resigning I dunno.
Ikr?! Talk about a real mindf**c and being ripped off all at the same time?! 😳
CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM, ISLAM AND ATHEISM CAN BE LAUGHED OUT EQUALLY
@@hungmeow8284 you know what? You are right! 😉🤣
@@hungmeow8284 Oh, I don't know...I'm still unaware of any evidence of any of the gods.
@@ecm958 we don’t even know who we are outside these bodies. We are just born and not know what we were outside these bodies. Religions are all made up by people
In 2012 I visited LA and went randomly into the psychiatric museum, which was actually the scientologist propaganda museum. It took years and years and then finally I realized where I had been!
Scientology ruined my Aunt's family. Her husband joined, became a cult member and abandoned his family, and when she got angry they sent intimidators to try and scare her into obedience...
That proves that Scientology is a cult that trusts in oppression.
Please do a video talking about this about the Scientology Leader David Miscavige shown below:
Scientology Leader David Miscavige Served With Human Trafficking Lawsuit
Miscavige had reportedly evaded process servers 27 times over four months before a judge said he was considered served.
Marco Margaritoff
By
Marco Margaritoff
Feb 16, 2023, 04:02 PM EST
Scientology leader David Miscavige was finally served with a long-standing human trafficking lawsuit this week.
The suit was filed last year on behalf of three former members of the church who accused Miscavige of trafficking them into his organization as minors, per Insider.
In court documents viewed by the outlet, Valeska Paris and married couple Gawain and Laura Baxter alleged that they were “coerced” to join the religion - and its notorious Sea Organization arm - to “provide unpaid labor and services for a decade or longer.”
“Plaintiffs were placed on a ship they could not leave and routinely punished by being humiliated, interrogated, and imprisoned, for the sole purpose of ensuring Plaintiffs would continue to perform back breaking free labor,” the suit alleged.
A recent absence from public view - widely chronicled in the press - had prevented Miscavige from being served. According to the court documents, he evaded process servers 27 times at five different locations in Florida and California over four months.
Florida Magistrate Judge Julie Sneed, however, ruled this week that he’s now considered served. The church leader has been given 21 days to respond to the civil suit.
Similar accusations of misconduct have been lodged at Miscavige in the past. As recently as 2019, he was sued over claims of “abuse, human trafficking, and intimidation.” Defectors have long warned about allegedly systemic abuse they experienced in the organization - which Scientology has routinely denied.
In a statement to Insider, church spokesperson Karin Pouw decried the allegations from Paris and the Baxters as “absurd, ridiculous, scurrilous and blatantly false.”
“The case is nothing but blatant harassment and was brought and is being litigated for the purpose of harassment-hoping that harassment will extort a pay day,” Pouw told the outlet.
Miscavige grabbed the reins of Scientology when its founder, science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard, died in 1986. Critics like Tony Ortega and Leah Remini have since spoken out against the religion and its leader.
But Scientology continues to retain high-profile followers like Tom Cruise and Danny Masterson - whose recent rape trial involving former church members ended in a hung jury. Meanwhile, Shelly Miscavige, the leader’s wife, hasn’t been seen in more than a decade.
Mike Rinder, a onetime church spokesman turned apostate, cautiously welcomed Sneed’s decision.
“While this is a major accomplishment, it is a small step in the overall scheme of things,” Rinder wrote Wednesday. “The war of attrition and seeking to exhaust the plaintiffs time, money, patience and resolve is just beginning.”
Regardless, the attorneys working on behalf of Paris and the Baxters consider the ruling a success.
“Now that Mr. Miscavige is served, we look forward to continuing to fight for justice for our clients,” lawyers John Dominguez and Zahra Dean told Insider.
www.huffpost.com/entry/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-served-with-human-trafficking-lawsuit_n_63ee6cb9e4b02c25737b92ca
i remember seeing the Xenu episode and thinking, "they don't REALLY believe that" and then I looked it up. That brought my understanding about what Scientology was to a new level of crazy.
imagine paying 200K to find out your club is poorly written sci-fi
pmsl - I done the exact same thing. followed by a huge face palm.
almost as nuts as mormons (dum dah dum dum dum) and Catholics and christians.
I already knew scientology was that absurd, but I has a similar experience with the mormon episode.
I kept thinking "Wait, no John Smith cannot have been this obviously bullshitting in the 30-people-stage of the cult...he was in prison?......whats a reading stone...?"
But upon looking it up - all spot on.
@@jpenneymrcoin6851 Neither Catholics nor Mormons continue to imprison protesting followers, deny followers medical care, use followers as slave labor, take most of what they earn or use their "confessions" to blackmail them. Scientology manages to combine a medieval mindset with a modern day pyramid scam.
I went into the Scientology church in NYC drunk on whiskey and demanded they let me use the e-meter. They insisted I watch a DVD before getting the test, and they put me and my drunk friend into a dark cinema room with a huge star trek looking logo at the back. The lights went off and the movie never played. We took some flash photography next to the logo with thumbs up etc. and when we eventually got bored because the lights never came on, we left the room and the Scientology representative who led us in there was attending to another "customer". That's a 1/5 on Yelp from me, very disappointing. To this day I never got my shit measured on that machine
I would’ve shit in that room lmao
im going to the LA one maybe late october super stoned . well see how that goes
@@oblongfan1how’d it go??
They’ll mail and call you for the rest of your life
It could have at least have given you your B.A.L. 🎉
The internet is killing Scientology and it’s hilarious 😂😂😂👌🏼
I liked your episode, I actually knew L Ron Hubbard. My mother was in Saint Hill where I was born and was one of the first independent auditors for the Church of Scientology, and Hubbard used to babysit me. He was a great friend and I was the only baby that he liked he didn’t even like his own kids very much. It could have been because my mom and Ron had a love affair.
We were not part of the sea org or any of that, but we were very involved for many years until the church decided to destroy all the independent auditors and had a massive campaign against us. They protested our house and even fired weapons at us.
My mother had a successful business helping get people’s money out of the Church Scientology, I went clear, did all my OT levels at the time did all the grade levels that were available at the time, and did many other things. I was actually the first person to run through what was called the purification rundown and was the first certified administrator for the purification rundown outside of the Sea Org as well as many other of their processes. My mother passed, but she was considered an enemy of the church for the later part of her life because she spoke out against them and helped got people’s money out of the church.
You should make some videos or a podcast about your experiences. They sound incredibly interesting and I'd tune in for sure.
@@casierandolph2254 Thanks for your thoughts. I already have a hard time creating videos for my businesses. I would rather be on other shows. No one has talked about the independents, which were a big part of the founding of the church and was some of Ron's most trusted people. For example, I remember when my mom brought home a bag she had picked up from the church with OT3 and 4 in them. Most people had to go to a secret room under guard for them.
Definitely want to hear more of this
When L. Ron Hubbard started the church, he had two different groups. First, he had what became the SeaOrg, and Second, he had a group of us that were what we call independence. We were trained in all of the aspects of the church's grades and OT levels, but we're not part of the main force. We paid a fee to the church to license the ability to give auditing independently. My mother actually had a center where she gave counseling and offered the grade levels and OT levels. I was there to help test and run the purification run for a small fee. If the weathers the church would capitulate and refund the money. people to do the program. My mother read me into the OT levels when I was in my younger teens. Actually, I had copies of all the OT levels and grade levels. When I was born, my mother was in Saint Hill, where Ron Hubbard started the church after he left New York on the heels of the FBI. As I said, Ron Hubbard loved me, and he was a nice old man, but I was just a baby, so I don't remember him much. I did see him a couple of times over the years. We would go down to Clearwater and go off the coast and go on the ship. He was a very charismatic individual, and you could not help when you were around him to think that he had some secret knowledge. But yet again, I was a very young person at that point. The last time I saw him was when I was 12. The independence was eventually targeted by the church because the church had no control over us. When they came after us, and they did it viciously, they declared us enemies of the church. She had a very lucrative business because she had some secret documents that I have copies of. And she would've threatened the church if people would not get their money back. She helps people get hundreds of thousands of dollars for a small fee. If the weathers the church would capitulate and refund the money.@@soulcleric
@@soulcleric I have many stories about the founding of the church, and about the good things that were done at the beginning the people who rallied around an idea, and a concept that had some good foundation to it. The problem with all religions is after you have a good foundation, most people build a crappy house, filled with the seat and lies and horrible destruction and even… murder. But this has been the way of the churches since time began the Catholic Church had a great army called the Knights Templar. Who professed that the church should be not about money not about ultimate power, but about love and forgiveness, and that the churches should be dissolved. They were also very corrupt, but that’s because they are humans. But the church did not like this, and had them all executed. Hitler had the brown shirts a core people who helped Hitler rise to power and as soon as he was, he saw them as an impediment had them all murdered. The independence were not evil people who went around, murdering and raping and desecrating other cultures, but it is the same premise. Would love to chat more.
If I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and reached then the big secret was the Xenu thing...I'd be pretty ticked off!!
Really!!! Thats when you would be pissed off. Not that its all about spacemen, being ejected from Volcanos, gazzillions of years ago and we all get reborn gazzillions of years later, and we are all reincarnated spacemen! But you are worried about the money? It was written as science fiction and then changed to a religion. Or cult! They believed it all….so they were dumb….its got nothing to do with money….
That was Leah Remini’s reaction as well!
But sooooo embarrassed 😂
The trouble is it's a pyramid scheme. You have two choices. You accept you have wasted your life and money. Or you embrace it, and audit and train others, to gain reputation and money. It would be like a Bishop saying, "I no longer believe in God!". Where do you go from there?
@@robertwhite3503 kindergarten supervisor
I think it was Trey Parker who was raised in Mormon church. He destroys them too on South Park. No sacred cows are safe!
Plus Trey et al wrote the musical, The Book of Mormon
Yes but he likes them, he just ridicules the theology. I think the same.
The first time I heard about Scientology was because of South Park. Trapped In The Closet is my favorite episode of South Park ever. To anyone who escaped from Scientology my hat goes off to you. From watching the South Park episode and hearing about it from other sources it sounds like the most wild and toxic place to be in. In 2017 I went on vacation to Florida and me and my family were on our way to The Clearwater Aquarium and while we were driving I saw this big building that I thought was a hotel for rich people. Then I saw people in navy blue button shirts and my Mom said that’s the Church of Scientology and I was like “Oh Shit” and I stared laughing. The same day me and my family took a bus to another part of the Aquarium which is in the city and even the city looked like it was controlled by the church. It was so comical I was laughing but I was trying to hold it in Incase someone tried to sue me. I’ll admit I’m not a religious person but Scientology makes The Catholic Church a more believe able Story
I had a history teacher in the late 90s that gave us the low down on scientology, Mormons, and some other high control groups. I'm not sure how he was so well informed back then, but it was very accurate.
South Park saved my family from falling for Scientology.
There is only one God, please get to know him.
@@marisamartin3664 and who would that be?
Eric Cartman
@@marisamartin3664 Please stop speaking for me. I hate it when dumb ass humans speak for me, I f I wanted to know piss ass ants I would walk in to a church(granted would burn it down but that's digressing from the point) No human can understand the mind of god, so stop bloody speaking for me, and use your mouth in a different to make me happy. 😉
@@marisamartin3664Cthulu?
Good for Southpark exposing cults is always the right thing to do
They did their damn research and it was good research and it was factual research from the teachings of Scientology but not actual factual research. If you get what I mean I mean it’s factual in that this is what Scientology actually teaches but it’s not fact it’s bullshit design to steal your money. It is a religion designed to take money.
So is punctuation.
Always he right thing to do!
You should understand who runs the Hollywood you would know who writes Simpsons and South Par etc... Its funny but its forecasting and its just bringing things to light as they have to do, its the "law".
@@morbidmanmusicso is spelling.
There is a large Scientology compound in my home town, from a young age my parents told me never stop there.
I believe in the XFiles before I believe in scientology 😂
One of the big reasons that Scientology waits so long before revealing the Xenu story, is actually pretty smart of them, because as the guy in this video mentions, these people have already invested 100 or 200 thousand dollars to Scientology. And they've obviously invested a great deal of time as well. So when they hear the story about Xenu, there's no way they will suddenly start questioning Scientology, because to do so would be admitting that they have wasted a ridiculous amount of time and money believing Scientology. And it's not as if they will get a refund, or get that time back, if they were to leave. They HAVE TO BELIEVE IT. People will go incredible lengths, doing some serious mental gymnastics, to try and justify these beliefs. And they will strongly and aggressively defend it against people speaking ill about Scientology. The same goes for just about any religion, but its so much greater in Scientology.
Scientology has also used their identities to steal much more than they ever knew they had.
Xenu is the lord of sunk cost
@@tree4318 Facts
Plus, they know a lot about you and the bad things you did...
@@faustomadebr That's a very good point that I failed to mention.
I went to the Celebrity Center back in 2009ish for an audition and while I was waiting one of the "recruiters" came up and asked if I wanted to watch a video after my audition. I was like sure, but I am not interested. He put me in this theater by myself and I watched their wacky intro video that had a volcano and all these exploding elements to it. Back then I had already heard of Xenu and the trillions of Thetans getting blown up and I was laughing out loud. He rushed back in wondering what was so funny. I told him all about Xenu and Thetans. He just looked at me blankly. I asked if he was at OT 3 and he didn't want to answer. Poor guy I felt I destroyed his day :)
Sounds legit. Auditioning is for an acting role, what Scientologists do is auditing.
@@zendakk the Celebrity Center always runs auditions for their internal video production team .
I find it so good to hear that former members are helping and there for each other.
Good interview. Every few years I type scientology into CZcams to see where we are, and this time around I found this interview and I'm glad I stayed
In Basel / Switzerland some "Scientologists" asked me a few years ago, if I knew myself and so on, after I found out they are from Scientology, I asked them, if they still believe in the souls, dumped in the vulcanos and so on, they only turned around and went off... I laughed the whole day... 🤣
I believe the Xenu revelation is what turned Paul Haggis against Scientology after he invested tons of money. He was amazed at the stupidity of it.
So was Leah Remi.
No, Paul Haggis said in Scientology and the Aftermath that he left over anti gay views (they view it as "covert hostility", "aberration" etc). He has two daughters and they're (or at least one of them is) gay.
I'm genuinely impressed at Marc's sense of freedom that he readily expresses throughout this interview. May he live long and prosper through his deconstruction from the Scientology cult!
the MORMON one was hilarious also, as an inactive member, it was spot on, "dum dum dum dum dum..", lol
Marc and Clare are very exceptional people to give so much to help the victims of this cult.
@The Duke what is the other cult they lure them in to?
Scientology, like ALL RELIGIONS, and CULTS are INDOCTRINATED From Birth. Try Turning a CATHOLIC, despite the Pedo Priests.
@@shelleykapp9637
Umm..Catholic Church ? and many more.
ALL RELIGIONS AND ATHEISM ARE CULTS. LOOK AT ALL THE WARS AND OPPRESSION THEY CREATED FOOL
dont call it a cult. Call it what it is.. a scam. a moneymaking con to get money from gullible people
No matter how many interviews i hear about scientology, each time I'm stunned, shocked and just so sad that so many people are manipulated so extremely they are believing all of this. Thank you both for all your work in telling people how it is. Keep it strong 👏
DOR.when will people realise that all religions are cults.The Catholic Church is a peodophile cult. There is no evidence of a supernatural being . Children believe in Santa Claus and immature adults believe in a super being in the sky. Richard Dawkins book “The God Delusion” should be on all school curriculums.
Christians are the same, trump voters, Muslims, the Hindus, white supremacists, etc etc etc. People seem to love a good brainwashing.
The manipulation happens with every single religion. It shouldn’t be so surprising by now. I understand it is necessary to create a uniformed behavioral expectation for a multitude to work as orderly and efficiently as possible, but there is no denying that it attracts narcissistic charlatans at the top.🤷🏾♀️🤥🙄🥴😝😝😝😝😝
It s successful promises as well.
@Yolie Remeza only one has a resurrection, historisity, archeology, prophecies 3/4th fulfilled. 1/4th left. Quite extraordinary and real b c Christians are hated. Per Jesus " they ll hate you they hated me first".
I knew about all this stuff as a kid, partly because my mother read Science Fiction before Scientology (this whole Xenu thing was part of some of his books), partly because I read a book about cults in the 70s.
I also remember the Church of the Subgenius parodying the Scientology Xenu concept.
All of this was before the South Park episode. The information was available if you looked. Including the fact that there was a separate path for celebrities that softpedaled the worst parts.
Marc is such a great guy to interview. He's smart and has a great sense of humor.
Leah remini has really blown the door wide open on that miserable cult
I wonder if Scientology is where Lisa Marie Presley lost her 100M
I have seen so many people talking about how they escaped Scientology. I have hardly seen people talking about how they got involved in the first place.
I knew the OT III stuff back in the early 90s, I think it was probably the result of the book someone else mentioned below. It also was fairly widely available online by mid to late 90s, if you were looking for it. The fact so many people had never heard any of it till South Park just shows why we need people like them doing what they do, and how effective properly done parody and satire can be for attacking junk like this.
I read about on the nascent 'net in 92, for sure. I think I read something from Heinlein diparraging it as a load of bull from a second-rate SF author back in the 80s, but I don't recall any details. (He was pissed, because L.Ron had practically told him he would start a religion before he actually did, and Heinlein thought he was joking.)
I always wondered how people could fall for such a weird story but now knowing it only gets revealed after expansive brainwashing makes this much more understandable.
Ask the billions of people who think the way to secure a nice spot in the afterlife is by "accepting" a zombie carpenter who hates fig trees
Makes me want to start a check
@@zendakk I never said that any other religious doctrine is any less ridiculous xD but at least scientologists get brainwashed first before they hear the ridiculous "truth", christians just seem to accept that their lord and savior is some kind of Marvel Superhero without even questioning it 😂😂😂
@@zendakkyou're a sad fool.
@@draco5991repwhat BS.
Love love love that you finally got Marc on your channel. Him & Claire are amazing ❤. Really enjoyed this 👏👏
There are 2 types of people: people who are bothered by audio issues and people who don't even notice it.
Now they are EMBRACING all this crap and being upfront about it. I've seen ads about them going "Come in for paheton testing" or some bull crap like that.
Andrew’s facial expressions while processing Marc 🤣
I do remember when someone gave the "holy" book of Scientology to the Parliament in Stockholm. Sweden, thus making it a public publication, protected by law and free to read or publish as anywone would se fit. They went cracy on it. Their army of belivers stand guard there... etc. But they lost the fight/Good guys won: It Leaked. And now we know all about Xenon etc
Put the truth out there.
So the name of that book is The Holy Book Of Scirntology or what?
It was a training manual, and apparently Sweden fucking caved and stopped publication.
Happened around 1997.
The USA government, with Sonny Bono (Republican from California, Cher's ex-husband) stopped Sweden from making public the Scientology training manual.
Sonny Bono confirmed he attended Scientology classes but for all his campaign material he said he is a Catholic Christian.
AP:
"STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) _ Under pressure from the United States, Sweden has agreed to stop allowing public access to a Scientology publication that the controversial church guards closely.
The decision comes in a case that placed Sweden’s law on open public records in conflict with international copyright regulations and prompted complaints from U.S. Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky and Rep. Sonny Bono, R-Calif.
Goeran Schaeder, legal affairs chief at the Swedish Justice Department, said Saturday that the decision was made ``to protect our international contacts.″
``This is extremely good. It is exactly what we expected,″ said Tarja Vulto, spokeswoman for Scientology in Sweden.
The case began last year when a copy of the church’s training manual was sent to the Swedish Parliament. Swedish law permits the Parliament to provide the public with copies of documents filed with it.
It is not clear how the person who sent the manual, Zenon Panoussis, obtained it. But dissident church members have made secret publications available elsewhere and have posted them on the Internet.
The church filed suit against Panoussis, claiming the submission violated its copyright. Barshefsky cited the copyright issue as one of two trade concerns with Sweden and said the matter could be taken before the World Trade Organization.
Last month, Bono wrote to Justice Minister Laila Freivalds and asked her to order a stop to the release of material copyrighted in the United States.
Scientology, with adherents worldwide including many celebrities, is frequently in disputes between those who say it is a legitimate religion and those who contend it is a cult or a commercial operation. The church won tax-free status as a religion in the United States in 1993 after a 25-year campaign.
Scientology was founded by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard in 1954.
Hubbard contended that mankind’s trouble began when Xenu, leader of an intergalactic federation 75 million years ago, attempted to solve a population problem on federation planets. He transported surplus populations to Earth, where they were chained to volcanoes and blown up with hydrogen bombs. Their essence, or ``thetans,″ were implanted with imperfections, and they remain the cause of people’s troubles today, according to Hubbard’s writings.
Through the use of a so-called E-meter, somewhat like a lie detector, church members undergo exercises and counseling to eliminate negative mental images and achieve a ``clear state.″
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now it had nothing to do with scientology pressure..the problem was copyright. It was a hole in the law.. it was never intended to be used to get around copyright law.
"Tom Cruise is coming to kick your butt"
"He better bring a step stool."
I notice a lot of things in common when doing the Landmark Forum course in 2015. Secret levels, brainwashing, weird controlling and bully behaviours that are 'for your good'.
Actually it was Tom cruise tht destroyed scientology. He attracted such bad attention by his strange, higher then thou behaviors.This was way before they where finally exposed. People everywhere where asking questions about his narsisisist behaviors even as far bck as his breaking up with Nichol and his rediculose jumping up n dwn on ophras couch regarding his 3rd wife. He's a very strange character and everyone sees tht especially now
Tom is just a vessel in this. Shit was going to go down one way or another. But I agree to some extent for sure. Getting the biggest Hollywood star openly supporting a cult was bound to attract unwanted attention
This is a great point that I haven't really seen made before. Tom Cruise's level of visibility has definitely hurt scientology because people came to realize just how crazy scientology is through his crazy behavior.
Yet he still makes kick a$$ movies! The irony is palpable.
@@rushmore3927 true, but not shocking. Plenty of talented people can be totally without a moral compass, or any self-awareness.
@@rushmore3927 plenty of talented people are absolute pricks. He’d be a much better person if he hadn’t gotten pulled in to such an obvious grift and cult. Seems like he’s in too deep, but if he did disavow that would be the end of Scientology. I think they know that and he basically can get whatever he wants from them at this point. He’s a “high priest“ with master-slave like power over other people. That makes him evil in my book.
I watched this episode last night in anticipation of this live stream. Season 9 episode 12. I had forgotten that R Kelly got into the closet with Cruise and Travolta. So funny and the irony that R Kelly going to jail for a long time.
Thanks. I was looking for the infamous episode to re-watch.
It's odd. I went to check out Scientology once about twenty years ago. I was able through much manipulation, to get them to talk about this in our first meeting. It was pretty hilarious. For me.
That’s one of the best episodes of South Park, no question. They probably unintentionally did anti Scientologists and SP’s a huge favor by helping them expose this dangerous freak show.
When I was in university in the 90s, I started reading the Battlefield Earth books, and someone told me that the author created a religion to win a bet, so I checked it out cautiously - expecting it to be pretty nuts. All the initial stuff I looked at was benign, common-sense stuff about living well, but I knew there was more to it, and kept poking around to find the Xenu stuff. Not sure where I first found it before the Internet had everything. I knew that Ultima and Fallout had parodies of Scientology in their games. I guess I was lucky that I was prepared to see it as a cult, and didn’t get sucked in to it.
Yeah, the alt-right recruit in a similar way. Start by giving good advice that helps troubled folks to build the audience’s trust in you and good feelings toward you, then start in with racist jokes, then racist rhetoric, then faux ironic support for Hitler, and then you got a new neo Nazi walking around.
I listened with ear buds in, and Marc’s voice was definitely only coming out of my right ear bud. It was still fine to listen to though once I got used to it. Great show.
I struggle to believe how people fall for “Scientology” as adults. I can understand children believing it all if they grow up knowing no different. But it’s a very bizarre to me that adults go in as adults and take it seriously. Even initially, it would come across as a money making sham to most adults. Why isn’t XENU introduced, promoted, discussed and celebrated right from the start? Because the leaders of Scientology know that people would run a mile if they heard all that nonsense straight away, taking their cash with them. If any of the leaders of Scientology genuinely believed in and had faith in XENU, they wouldn’t have to hide the existence of XENU until people have invested so much time and money that they are easily duped due to their need to find “something” that makes it all worth it.
Can you imagine investing at least $100,000 and finding THIS OUT? Huge face palm moment!
Many people are lonely & they are treated as a family member or beloved friend.
@@alidabotes6264 they can also be treated terribly too. . . . Treated like slaves and hit and beaten and imprisoned if they don’t do as they’re told.
I could hear him better in my left bud Samantha.. Did you hear the woman's voice at 14 mins, 47 seconds?? I can only really hear it with my earbuds in..
should have been left ear bud, you might be wearing them the wrong way around :P
So I was a homeless teenager in the late seventies on the streets of Portland Oregon. There was a Scientology office or setup in downtown. They had people out on the sidewalk always trying to recruit. I was a young teenager, but I always new it was BS!!!
This is the greatest accomplishment that South Park has achieved
Grateful for this channel and all the brave ex-scientologists who have spoken out against this cult. My sister was in it for years. She and many other very smart people were trapped in its ideology. Nice to have so many articulate people who got out of it brilliantly explaining the cult. Yes TC is a monster and a sociopath. As a family law attorney I believe it's sad that he's deserted his daughter, but it's better for her and Katie not to have his influence and toxicity in their lives.
A cult of believing in fantasy bs 😂
The Miscavige Battlefield Earth story reminds me of what Rob Schneider said when working with Steven Segal. Segal told him he had just read the greatest screenplay ever. Rob asked him who wrote it, and Segal replied, "I did." 🤣
I was walking down the high street in Birmingham UK and a young woman stopped me and asked me if I would like to join Scientology. I explained that I already had a religion …Jediism. She smirked and scoffed and said “You do realise that's science fiction don’t you?” ……erm……..
My ex husband was involved in Scientology for a time before I met him. He never got into it hard core, but he still believed in its “philosophy.” We had a knock down drag out fight about it one time. And at a later time he decided to call the local Scientology chapter and spoke to someone briefly on the phone. He was going through a difficult time and he thought about getting involved with them again, thinking it would help. He left a phone number when he talked to them and no one ever called him back like they had promised. He became a little disillusioned with them after that.
The base levels are pretty interesting tbh
I love Mark he has that perpetual Smile on his face all the time making me wonder " does he ever get mad?"
Seems he’s been through a lot, his tolerance must be high 😉
Marc, give Andrew an SP bracelet. He is "one of us" now.🎉
There should be an official SP logo, like the scientology S and a triangle P.
Great interview. So interesting so hear the inner workings of Scientology. It’s criminal.
Crazy that I can’t find “Xenu is my homeboy” merch on Amazon lol
You can merch whatever you want. Just use a print shop company.
I want "Xenu Did Nothing Wrong. Free Volcano Tours." With A graphic like the Pinochet free helicopter rides meme, but with a spaceship.
In Portland, Oregon, in the 70s, there was a Dianetics office downtown. Their "members" walked around, offering paperwork to people walking by.
Simultaneously, the Hari Krishnas were walking nearby, chanting, shaking bells, and begging for money.
😑Both groups were EQUALLY DISLIKED.
He is totally right. My niece is in a Mmn cult, she is 39 y.o. has 9 children SO far. The kids get no TV or outside knowledge, they are SO sweet, very innocent, they have zero idea what a drag show is or that having 6 wives and 52 children is NOT normal. You can tell this man has had similar, he has a very sweet nature, childlike, my weird niece has children w/same demeanor.
Why would kids want to know about drag shows?
@@ichtozavuzovsky8370 cause they are cool
@@ichtozavuzovsky8370What is your concern? Did you knew that at the times of Shakespeare all the women on stage were men dressed as women? So remember when you watch Romeo and Juliett or another Shakespeare play they were all men at Shakespeare's time. Enjoy the thought!
No one should see a drag show unless you worship lucifer and baphomet. Period
My sister- in- law has a sister who is in Florida at the HQ. She’s been in for 50 + yrs. Shes estranged from her family. The cult has really destroyed her.
Love Marc. He’s innocent as a kid. What a sweet spirit.
There's nothing so liberating than the dropping of a belief system that you no longer have use for.
2 things I learnt about Scientology (Tom Cruise interview, reading stuff & ??) that reeeeally pissed me off was that women have to give birth in silence (yes I know that occurs in other cultures too, but that doesn’t make it right! More than one baby in this world has been pushed out with a powerful roar💪🏼😉) and without painkilling (if/when necessary) The scond thing is that people with psychological or/and emotional challenges do not get the help they in some cases need (neither medicine nor empathy/understanding/psychological support), to get better/thrive.
The birth thing is indeed cruel everywhere it happens. I intensely dislike the attitude of complete moral relativism, which is so popular in parts of the Western world. Some things are just wrong. An extreme example is the widow burning in India, which the British outlawed. Ask any Hindu today and they will say the ritual was wrong.
They get no medical help either. Aaron Levin-Smith said most of them pass from cancer because it is not encouraged that they go to the doctor and that even if they do go, they have to use the e-meter stuff to cure the disease.
@@napoleonfeanor I don't know about moral relativism but I think nuances are important. As an Indian Bengali origin whose parents are Hindu (and I'm non religious or atheist), widow burning mainly occured in North Western parts of India or to some extent some other regions partly and it was not seen lightly in other parts of India (diverse subcontinent). Even in the places where it occurred, it was due to multiple reasons one being saving herself from the onslaught and raping of invaders as that was the region where inavaders came from the most. BTW, it was Raja Rammohan Roy (a person whom I share surname with) and Hindu Bengali Rennaissance which also helped tremendously to abolish the window burning (Sati) along with the British.
My point was not to show off a TED talk to you but to point out that even the seemingly most evil practices are not seen lighlty even in those times by all and the practices might have some legitimate roots, actually somewhat legitimate. Now, those initial reasons like in this above example, invasions and honour might not be relevant later and the practice still continued which is definitely wrong and you're right basically there should not be any mental gymnastics around it, but I hope you get my point.
Also, I'm not saying window burning was only limited to this invasion reasoning only (some of the other reasons included women not being complete without husbands for so and so reason, maybe financial which in those times could seem legitimate to some people in a male income oriented society) and I'm also not saying this reasoning of invasions completely justify widow burning and that there are no other options. Also, I am only talking about unforced suicide widow burnings (although social pressure was kind of a forcing to those women in a way), not the forced ones which were obviously wrong. Nuances. Ultimately, it is down to poor philosophies, prioritsation and value system of people due to incompetence or environmental factors (like they could not support optimal upliftiment of women in such cases due to sexist cultural, geopolitical and economical reasons) which make these evil practices prevalent. So maybe moral relativists were thinking that those peoples' morals are right for their own reasons and hence subjective or relative but I do agree with what you're getting at.
Your are a breeding vat. It does not matter if you noisy or not because you dont matter unless you are in the high IQ bracket, genetically fit and good looking. Which you are not because then you would just treat it as messy, faulty biological process and of course would be neutered because of the expected low quality brood.
@@napoleonfeanor I intensely dislike sweeping generalisations about "complete moral relativism" or any other imagined problems of the "Western world", especially when they are presented without any evidence, examples or citations. It's such a lazy way of making your argument.
It’s like the Wizard of Oz, the madman behind the curtain!
That's exactly what it sounds like. W😢W the enormous amount of money poured into this fake organization criminals DAVID MISCAVAGE 😢
Scientology was clearly made up by a con man and grifter…that’s why I’m a Mormon. (A bad joke) But seriously, I grew up in Mormonism and it’s amazing at the lengths these people go to hide the weirdest aspects of the organization. It wasn’t until after the South Park episode that the largest Mormon church admitted that Joseph Smith literally put a rock in a hat, with the Golden Plates nowhere near him (if they even existed) and had someone write down what he said. Growing up, the church made it seem like he had magical glasses and there was barely a mention of a “seer” stone.
But this is the problem, we are generally not taught critical thinking and can be indoctrinated in such things. It’s hard to be critical of a person who’s searching for meaning and a place in this world. But please, these organizations just want you for your money and they don’t care for you as an individual. They just want to manipulate you, have you fall inline and pay.
I didn't grow up Mormon, but served with some in the army, known many as a civilian, never met one of the bad ones. All the ones I met were really nice people. South Park among other things made me curious about how wacky the book was. I eventually bought a copy and was underwhelmed.
I still like to troll other sects of Christianity by quoting books from it. At the least, I'm only half joking when I shame them for claiming Mormons don't count as Christians, reminding them of how whatever sect they belong to was once considered a cult and not real Christians at some point. I also love to champion the Book of Mormon for adding new reading material after the long drought since the publication of the sequel The New Testament.
The glasses is such a huge lie. I was shocked when the LDS church peeps admitted the rock in a hat was the actually truth.
I live in Utah, never Mo, and am amazed at many of the similarities. Zenu and the galaxy. Mormons believe they will go to the planet Kolob in the afterlife. Shunning happens when they leave. Cult-like features. Oops, just read the rest of your post, you know all of that.
I recently joined the church. Nobody hides the seer stone and hat. We will casually talk about it. Also Kolob is not a literal place. Its metaphorical for Jesus Christ. And people don't go there its the place closest to Gods throne.
@Parker I i went on a fkn mission for the mo"s. Don't tell me they didn't hide the rock in the hat. The official line back in the day was he used a "urim and thummim", a sacred breastplate with some sort of spectacles attached. Good luck with your newly found cult. That first vision story they told you has at least 4 versions.
I love this, Mind blowing 😱. So scary, so sad yet funny as heck. You guys are great together.
I find it hard to believe intelligent people by into this , but people bought into that Jones town. Crazy. Bless you for your mission of information
I find it hard to believe that someone is smart enough to call this shit out, then finish with ‘bless you’ because obviously their god is real?!! 😂
“They really believe this!” 😂
How refreshing to see you two on this Saturday afternoon in Oregon.
Brookings here too.
@@dianacryer hi neighbor! =)
@@oldschoolman1444 Where are you at?
There’s a sucker born every minute. PT Barnum was so right 😂
I was involved from 77 to 82 (in Denmark) and both happy for what I learned and happy to leave and never go back. Thankyou for the playfull way you talked about it.
It takes balls to publicly admit that you were ever a believer of this silliness.
Rewatching 9 minutes after the stream ended. The sound is fine so far and I'm 10 & 1/2 minutes in. I'm loving AG's reactions to everything Xenu and thetan related. 😂
Mark, congratulations on escaping. Andrew, thanks for bringing these important conversations.
Marc and Jim Gaffigan should make a movie together. Playing brothers. I'd buy a ticket.
Humour is the best strategy. Fascism never took hold in the UK for example as although Moseley & the BUF initially got a load of traction but ultimately he failed as Englishmen & women just laughed at him. Tom Cruise auditing this guy is just surreal. I believe this who's on top in terms of scientology occurred with Katie Holmes.
I think it’s more about the ridicule and humiliation that Scientologists suffered is what’s making it bad for them.
What????????????? Its bad because its all bullshit. They werent humiliated when they were in the religion, only when they got out of it.
I’m convinced that John Travolta’s son,Jett, was a victim of Scientology being that he was autistic and non allowed to be on the proper meds to help with his seizures because of the fear of psychology. Not an accidental drowning, rip Jett ❤ I think this is a big part of the rift between John and Tom and put a spotlight on the ignorance,,, Brooke shields was also subject to Tom C harassment over her postpartum antidepressants, something he has never experienced or ever will 🤦♀️ the world sees them for what they are, misinformation and money wasting hate lifestyle.
That’s very speculative. Don’t get me wrong . Scientology is insane as insane as flat earth but still your post is speculative and maybe you are doing people wrong whom lost a loved son.
Jett? FFS John you cruel man.
I think it was down to the COS attitudes to medicine for sure but it is widely stated that John T is actually a really lovely man. Just insanely misguided due to COS it seems. Very sad. I think a lot to this is speculative
Imagine being a father who puts his cult before his sons health (and safety). A lowlife.
Jett definitely died because of some Scientology "treatment" to audit the poor kid. I imagine they essentially frightened him to death and he eventually had a stroke or heart failure. These people are insane and evil.
SOUTH PARK! THANK YOU AND CONTINUE DESTROYING!
Ex-Scientologists should sue, That should shut em up
Loved seeing you guys together, great chemistry! Marc's first hand account of these Scientology stories were so entertaining and so fascinating. I keep learning more and more about this absolutely crazy cult. Just subscribed to Marc's channel after going over there for the second part of this interview.👍
Isaac Hayes used to be on South Park, but quit after the Xenu episode. That’s when I learned he is a Scientologist.
Ohhh...I wondered what all the drama was, why Isaac left. There must've been some Scientology propoganda out about 'salty balls' as the reason that I saw. Now we know it was the Cult brainwashing their followers.
Chef’s sweaty balls😂😂😂Havent watched SP in years.. but I used to on the regular 😊
Sure South Park did more to better his life than Scientology ever will
Really?
@@theConquerersMama yup
Good to know you knocking them outta the park with these interviews😁.
Marc Headley you are a cool guy. Thank you for sharing.
What a fun interview! Thank you
I remember when that episode came out, I ran to the internet to see if the stuff it showed was true. It just sounded too bizarre to be real lol
I did the see thing with the Mormon episode.
Yah; the Mormons have their own special space opera.
@@MusicfromMarrs yep. Most grow up with it and it's just reinforced through their culture
@@LuciferArc1 I’m guessing there are a fair number that pick and choose which aspects believe in, because family.
The Mormon one was good too, except to me, there is a stark difference with respect to SCI and cannot be compared. There are varying degrees of Mormonism. You can leave if you want to. There’s no law that says your family can’t speak to you anymore. The fundamentalist sect is highly cult like and even stranger than anything they portrayed in the episode. But the mainstream actually is a real religion with beliefs not dissimilar from other religions, and they do the things many Bible-thumping Christians no longer do, like helping poor people and volunteering in the community-weekly. SCI says their contribution is to clear the world of negativity, yet they’re the biggest source of it. It’s just a money grab, plain and simple. They do nothing and I can’t wait for the day they take the fake crosses off those buildings and have to pay income tax. It’s the biggest, longest con job in history.
@@MusicfromMarrs you mean believing in a virgin birth is not a “space opera?”