ESPRESSO ANATOMY - Which Distribution Tool Is Most Effective?
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- Lately it seems like a new espresso tool or method hits the internet every week. They come in a variety of shapes, sizes, and usability, but each promises the barista better tasting and more evenly extracted shots. So armed with five of the most popular distribution tools and methods I decided to run my biggest experiment yet to see which one performs the best.
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As much as i love lance and james, i really appreciate you taking the time to break down and share these hard data points rather than just telling the audience your own personal conclusion
haha, would pay for a colab of these 2 tbh
I appreciate that, and yeah I think there’s room for all of us in the CZcams coffee scene and we all have our own distinct style. For me I create the type of videos I’d want to watch, and I think it’s always important to provide the data and let people make their own decisions on the data presented.
I mean, both James and Lance go into pretty deep detail about how they came to their conclusions. Especially James Hoffman, have you seen his grinder reviews? I get that people want to shy away from treating Hoffman like a god but he's extremely in depth and makes sure to make a point that people can do things differently if they like.
@@AnonymousSam i named them specifically because they are two that i hightly respect (and talk to) the most and give money to every month but spro tends to fill in some of the gaps and does a really great job doing so👌🏼
@@error404BrainNotFound And Sprometheus pointed us towards J-Kim
I counted 65 shots pulled, totalling to more than a kilo of coffee. Now that's dedication.
That’s true, that’s the total number of shots tested, but there were probably about 20 extras that didn’t meet the standards for testing for a variety of reasons, so we’re look at upwards of 100 shots all together. Was a long couple days haha.
All testing 1 day and didn’t sleep for 3 days? 😉
@@Sprometheus I wonder what is the machine you used for the readings ?
I'm not a frequent viewer of you channel, but I must praise your work for choosing a sponsor that's coffee related and has something to do with our hobbies/passion! Not many (if any) do this on CZcams, so please continue with it! It's not going unnoticed. Great job!
"...which depending on your palette can be debatable as a noticeable difference in the cup" was kind of my thinking across a lot of these. I have both the OCD and the little needle tool. Having so many shots from both I've driven myself mad with thoughts like "am I even really tasting the difference at this point?"
and then you followed with "but if you're here on youtube watching videos on espresso distribution" and I felt that. Such a niche thing that few can truly appreciate and I'm glad I'm one of those people cause maximizing flavor in espresso is such a fun and rewarding task
Hahaha I knew that would hit home with people who are watching the video because we’re fully invested at this point haha. Thanks for watching!
@@Sprometheus 100% - I laughed out loud at that part. Even funnier to me because I soak up this info even though I only brew filter coffee at home anyway 🤣 But you never know, maybe one day I’ll cave and buy an espresso machine after all haha
2% on a 20% scale is 10%.
I love your consistent and insightful methods. Very helpful.
This is beyond dedication. Absolutely awesome.
Wow. Knocked it out of the park on this one. GREAT information. Thanks Spro.
You keep on hitting the spot with the content! Excellent work, well done. The internet will be coming back to this, the community will be super grateful for the numbers. Nice!
Thank you for the kind words my friend! I’ve always wondered this stuff myself, so the beauty of having this channel is I get to share it! Have a great weekend!
Same! You too!
Another professional analysis. I love your work👍
This is a great video and I have waited for something like this long time
Wow what an incredibly in depth video. Beautiful to watch. This stuff is why I abandoned espresso and moved to pour over. And why I shouldn’t be surprised most coffee shops produce revolting espresso. There is so much to know, learn and buy and I just wasn’t committed enough. Now my machine, grinder and a box of other accessories are paper weights now
Love the clinical data! Thank you for this great video!
Great experiment! 🔥🔥Thank you for your hard work. The WDT method is my favored.
Thank you for the kind words and for watching! Cheers!
One of the best videos out there! Watching it the second time and will do a third time soon!
I am deep in the rabbit hole! I am refurbishing my first ever espresso machine. A Gaggia Classic. I have yet to make an espresso but trying to educate myself so when the time comes I am ready. This was a great informative video. Thank you
I’m so glad you quantified this. I have all these tools and I’ve been messing around with each and combinations of them. I’ve settled on just the duomo and a calibrated tamp. I was at first on espcup+duomo but I didn’t taste any benefits over just the duomo that made the added workflow worth it.
I’m glad you enjoy all the numbers. It’s always a risk to make such a data heavy video as it’s not all that fun to watch haha.
This topic is probably the most important I have discovered after trying a bottomless portafilter and having endless channeling issues, thank you for sharing this video! After buying a Rancilio Classe 5 machine and a Compak E5 grinder from a local barista/seller, he never mentioned anything about puck creation and how to brew consistent espresso! I never realized there was a problem until trying a bottomless setup and observed espresso spraying all over everything during extraction! Recently I discovered the importance of leveling and distribution, but this issue was never mentioned by the seller of my equipment! After watching many different videos on this topic, I decided to order the Asso Jack Leveler. This unit will be delivered on 3-10-23 so I hope to finally resolve this problem! Thanks again for your help!
Thank you for the video! Nice to see the numbers compared
The dose of nerdiness I didn't know I needed. Useful info + dedication = great content. Almost made me regret buying a one touch machine.
My daily workflow is WDT, single tab on the counter with one hand on the PF to help absorb some of the vibration, and then tamp. I’ve tried the OCD and the stockfleth method and the WDT has given me the most consistent results.
Loved the video, thanks for putting in all of the great work. Really enjoyed this one, Spro.
I have a very nice WDT tool. But my surface is lopsided after tamping, so I still want to get an NCD to get an even surface...
I’m thinking about buying a duomo tool instead simply because it’s so much faster. I want top tier espresso but time is a dealbreaker
Always appreciate how much time and money you put in to making these videos.
Thanks Mick! I appreciate that. This one was quite an endeavor!
We use the Duomo Eight in our two cafes. Expensive tools, but no doubt super consistent and we get yields as high as 22% on some coffees. Thats also probably down to the E80 grinders we use.
Thanks for your presentation. I'm always looking for ways to improve. You've convinced me that my cheap little WDT is as good as anything on today's market.
This is what I do:
1. Grind into a dosing cup to weigh the ground coffee. 20 g.
2. Give it a good stir with the WDT in the dosing cup before I transfer to the portafilter & dosing funnel.
3. Do a second WDT distribution in the portafilter and then give it one tap on my rubber tamping mat to settle the grounds.
4. Remove the funnel and give it a final finger-leveling as necessary.
5. Tamp with a Pullman Big-Step. (I do think that a well-fitting taper matters)
6. Pull the shot. I shut it down at @ 34 g and end up with 36 g. of product after the last drop falls.
I'm satisfied with my routine so I don't have any reason to change . Your satisfaction may vary.
Is this a lot of hoopla for a cup of coffee? Maybe. But I can only drink so many cups of caffeinated beverage in a day. I try to make each one of my cups of coffee the best cup ever.
Love the proper testing!
WDT all the way; significant reduction in channeling, and I find the act of leveling the bed before tamping very satisfying. I have an HG-1 Prime on the way, very curious to see how the Craig Lyn shaker system works.
Thank you, as always, great.
I’ve made myself a distribuitor with needles in a cork adjusted into a 54 mm jar lid. (My filters are 54 mm) very much like the dome but with no frills…
First I give it a good Aussie shake with the grinder’s cup over the filter, then I give it some turns with the distribuitor and finish it with a self made WDT… then I tamp.
Et voilà, no channeling at all, ever!
Great video, thanks for sharing!
Great video. In my opinion, ease of use and speed are absolutely key to making coffee accessible. I currently WDT with my setup but find it quite arduous, so if the duomo is almost as good, but much quicker to use (with less room for user error) then I'm going to give it a go
Amazing information 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Good job, I liked the video and how you put it together. I also like that you question everything and try it, to the point you are skeptical about everything, but I like that, others are different.
Thank you for the kind words and for watching. I’m definitely a natural skeptic, it’s a blessing and a curse haha.
Hi Sprometheus. I love your clear honest and reasonably lengthed videos.
I currently do RDT, WDT, distribution, level tamp and go. Your tests imply distribution may undermine WDT, but I've had more consistent shots combining them. Unfortunately, I still get a weird day once in a while where the coffee comes out totally different from the day before.
Anyway, what do you think the impact of a puck screen or basket would have on the consistency of shots? (I know you have done other videos on them, but how much do you think they would add from the consistency standpoint?)
Thank you for the info you give. Knowledge is building understanding. I find my holdup is taste. Or how to tell roast level or brew technique to what im really tasting in cup.
Good comparison, thanks! I’m using a WDT tool since a while. Works very well for me 👍🏻
The way I see it, is that the duomo is theoretically the best because of shot consistency and removing human error, but due to the price- I’m much more inclined to recommend a WDT.
I’m with you here, but also I prefer the WDT personally because I just like the ability to do it manually and see it. There are very few things as aesthetically pleasing and calming in the coffee process.
@@Sprometheus Agreed - it fits with my ‘slow flow’ workflow which at the moment is a 9Barista (and Bellman steamer). Looking at a lever machine - not sure whether to go old or new. Thanks for all the inspiration!
@@Sprometheus also Duomo costs $250. Which is a not a small cost when you can get a WDT tool for a fraction of that. It may be justifiable, especially in a café setting but for me it's a hard sell.
It's significantly more expensive for an insignificant improvement in the cup.
Alternatively, the duomo can't move up through the basket. It only has 1 path which could lead to channels being added to the coffee bed. It uses quite thick tines which also lends to channels.
I'm not convinced on it, and rather I'm sure it doesn't do as good of a job as a simple WDT.
The evidence points to the contrary…
very useful,thanks👌🏾✌🏾
Thanks for the video and for confirming a feeling. Years, decades later. WDT still very effective relative to other options, simple, least expensive, and for many "best" workflow at least for home use.
Thanks for all the data. This info is MUCH better than just making one cuo each and standing there drinking it om video going "oh wow"
Wow Great Video thanks for the effort
Great video !! Thanks !!
When I added in a WDT tool to tapping, OCD, and tamping regimen, the flavor and consistency increase of shots were extremely and blaringly noticeable.
Before, the shots varied widely, no matter how much time and effort I put into trying to get the grounds distributed consistently. I rarely got a delicious (in my opinion) tasting espresso.
I did have to grind just a little more finely to dial in. But once dialed in... WOW!
Great results.
Is the ocd necessary then? 🤔
@@bohdaaanek I have found it to be better without the OCD. But it's extra important to get a very even bed before tamping.
Wow what a detailed research! Definately an addition to the conversation.
Thank you my friend, I hope this maybe answered some questions or at the very least made you curious about how distribution effects taste and extraction.
Great video again, thnx! I’m also into WDT and using 2 of them: 0.40mm and 0.25mm (Lance’s idea btw). First run of WDT I do with the 0.40 and start at the bottom and work my way up. 0.25mm is to finish the top layer. Yes I’m a nerd :)
After the WDT, I always tapped, but reading your comment about the fines going south, I’ll try to avoid it. Another reason I do this, is to make the grounds ‘fall’ into the portafilter which have been trapped just below the funnel during WDT.
Then I push my pre-heated Flair 58 puck screen on top and push it down to make sure it touches the grounds. Then I nerd again and put my 2nd puck screen on top of that. It’s thinner and has somewhat bigger holes (1mm & 150um).
Still loving my Sworks WDT tool! I am going to try removing the leveler from my flow and just tamp after WDT. Thanks for your work on these. Excellent!
Same! I haven’t used a ton of WDTs and yeah it’s a little expensive in comparison but the build quality, feel, magnetic base and modular needle ability make it worth it in my opinion. Thanks for watching my friend!
Awesome video Sprometheus, really appreciate your hard work. When I take a look at the data, the ESPCUP & DUOMO combo seems to have more variation and a slightly lower mean value for TDS % compared with DUOMO on it’s own. I’d be interested about DUOMO + tamp vs DUOMO + distribute + tamp. I need to test that our for myself now, curious!
You are good, amigo. Very fair and balanced.
WDT and a cheapo OCD type leveler before the Normcore self levelling tamp seems to have upped my consistency. Recently tried the filter paper disc in the bottom of the portafilter and this combo produced my first channel free shot, its all learning through trial and error, which is half the fun of espresso nerdery ;-)
The paper filter thing has been something I’ve done here and there, it can definitely help especially when grinding finer than usual without clogging the basket. But as you said, the learning, trial and error is all part of the experience.
@@Sprometheus Thanks very much for your work on this. As the commenter above mentioned the improvement with a paper filter, I’m wondering why you don’t use the BPlus puck screen on the tests. I would wager it’s use would virtually eliminate (or greatly reduce) the channeling issues among all the distribution methods. I use WDT and the BPlus on my LM, and channeling is a distant memory. Additionally, it keeps the grouphead very clean. I wouldn’t brew without it!
Interesting enough I’ve used them all. So yes, I’ve been deep down the rabbit hole at times. And currently the Duomo has been my tool of choice. One thing I’d like to hear is method of use for the Duomo…spin rate, number of spins, etc.
I just replaced the sewing needles on my homemade wdt chopstick with the springy acupuncture needles and regret not doing it a year ago. The grinds really settle in and fluff up more and shots are instantly more consistent.
Thanks, good video. Before I got my WDT my shots were much more inconsistent. Now that I've gotten used to using it I can count on shots that will be at least drinkable.
Glad to hear you’ve gotten things squared away! Thanks for watching
This is the content I'm here for.
Love this one. This is an area of home espresso that I'm very interested in and an area where think noticable improvements can still be made as we all try to find the best balance between workflow and results. Also, seeing the results from the Espcup+WDT really confirms the good results I've been getting from my "fluff and rake" method. Basically, I fluff the grounds with a wdt in a dosing container to remove clumps before I carefully transfer the fluffed up grounds to the basket. Then I simply rake the surface flat with a wdt and it's ready to tamp. No need to go deep as the grounds are already clump-free and going deep will only risk creating internal channels (I believe that my inconsistency from when I just wdt partly came from internal channels that I created when I go deep too carelessly.)
I’m with you on this. As long as you’re sure the grinds at the bottom are well distributed and clump free all you need to focus on is the raking and leveling of the top layer.
@@Sprometheus That is it in a nutshell.
Great comparison of the various tools available, I'm just upgrading my espresso machine and this is my next planned area to look into. I'd been trying to decide between the Sworks WDT, and the OCD (or potentially a cheaper version like Motta), or a combination of the two.
Based on this I'll likely start with just the WDT
What I missed here is a breakdown of the difference between grinders, and more crude methods. We nerds all know distribution is pivotal, but I'd love to have seen you go into a reference set of results, and how, or if, flat/conical grinders affect how these tools work and if they are even necessary, I never tested it thoroughly, but I have noticed that as compared to the midrange conical I use for guests, WDT makes barely a difference when I'm alone and using my beloved EG-1. Would be interesting to know what factors are at play, I'd guess grounds size distribution is the main one?
Great video though, keep it up!
brilliant brilliant brilliant brilliant brilliant 🤩
I use a cheapy version of the OCD but have been contemplating the WDT. This seals the deal.. going to order one now!
After all this work and data the conclusion is you decided what is best for you bummer!!
Deep in the rabbit hole...I feel seen!
My biggest improvement was using the WDT. Now I also use a cheap leveler and my routine is now: knock down, stir with WDT, karate punches, know down, leveler, tamp and enjoy! I am having way (!) more consistent shots now. I might get a cheap weight calibrated tamper to control my tamping even further.
The WDT method is my favoured routine. I find consistency and its simple use suits me. Love and peace. Tim
I’m with you, it’s become part of the process I really look forward to!
This was so helpful, Sprometheus. I don't have access to 58mm portafilters, so I don't have opportunities to get into this sort of stuff anymore. Thanks for making this!
WDT = Yes, as I just wrote under your older video, I have found that the most useful and important tool in my process :)
Which espresso cups did you use for these shots? Beautiful - Thank you
For now the best tools I have is my feet walking to the cafe across the way from my house so until I get it perfect I'm going to go to the cafe but I am so practicing thank you for your wonderfulness and have a beautiful day
Excellent video. I’ve had the greatest success using a Sworkdesign WDT followed by a cheap knock off leveler. I also have the OCD leveler which, unfortunately, produces a lot of static and coffee cling so I quit using it. I’ve also pulled shots without a WDT, and the difference was dramatic: lots of channeling and poorer shot quality. Note: I recently switched from a cheaper, stiffer WDT to the Sworkdesign, and was again surprised at the improvement in shot quality. the better WDT produced no channeling and noticeably sweeter, rounder shots.
This is great to know! My SWORKS WDT is coming in Monday
I think I’d love to see what’s repeatable at scale in a high-frequency workflow.
I’m personally just desiring a tool that accomplishes the wdt with some more creative mechanics (and smaller needles) than what’s currently on offer.
Ideally I’d love to see a dual dosing cup-wdt solution, but interested in 3 tiered solutions.
I’d really be interested if you could get a GC/hplc up in there and test for consistent extraction of the same compounds.
Thank you.
Thanks for watching my friend!
Very interesting data and results. I’d like to add a WDT tool, and maybe even an Espcup and Duomo to my collection of coffee making tools. 🤓
Veeeery nice content, thanks! Now I need a WDT. Let’s find some thin needles
A declumper tool you didn't try is the Blind Shaker. I got one a long time ago, but don't use it for espresso. I do use it for pour-over tho.
For espresso I prefer a s/s puck screen and occasionally the WDT if I'm going all in.
Puckscreen results are great for my palette. Plus there's very little clean-up after.
To clean the screen I rinse then jet blast it with the steam wand and it's back to pristine
I’ve been using a cheaper version of the OCD but contemplating getting a WDT. This settles it for me.. going to order one now!
Perfect video. I was looking for it.
I use a toothpick instead of WDT tool, and then an OCD leveller (DUOS for the win)
In case I can purchase this fancy ESPCUP in an Okay price, I could combine it with the OCD for the ultimate result
I've tried a few different methods and I've landed on WDT and a 58.5mm tamper - it's definitely the more consistent, cost effective and time saving option.
I use a wdt with a 58.5 leveler / temper. I get very consistent shots. It’s easy on the hands too.
Spro, what tamper is that? If the Flair button tamper doesn’t suit me, I’ll be looking for a replacement. I have a WDT implement. Bless Dr John Weiss! Thanks for this useful and interesting comparison.
CZcams algorithm needs to help Spro out. Amazing work.
Right?! That’s what I’m talking about. It tends to like my shorts but the full length videos are hit or miss.
@@Sprometheus I work for a Social Media Management platform. It's bonkers how the YT algorithm works but also changes (often for worse). Hopefully something catches on big time because the content is great.
thoughts on the lower end, Breville Oracle’s during-grinding-fan-distribution+tamping technique?
And yes, massive amounts of retention!
I’ve been using another technique: fluffing. I grind into the standard Niche cup, but I don’t like the gaps it leaves at the basket edges, so I pour the coffee into a 10 oz Pyrex custard cup on my scale. I grab it with my hand covering most of the cup and “fluff” the coffee. This is gentler than shaking the cup harshly in a hard-edged cup. It doesn’t necessarily break up clumps, but I think it distributes the fines.
I gently pour the coffee into the basket, and manually get the coffee to fill gaps, either with my finger or tapping.
Finally, I use the OCD, but I “helicopter” it in. Using my fingertips, I hold it about 3/16” above the basket, rotate, and lower. The idea is to avoid smashing in dense spots when placing the OCD onto the grounds.
It’s different, but it seems to work well, be clean, quick, and consistent. It’s just fluff, pour, initial level (as needed), OCD (with helicopter motion), and tamp.
I don’t know why, but the WDT method is unattractive to me. Maybe it’s the needles. Maybe it’s that my initial attempts with a single, too thick needle were messy, slow and ineffective.
The product I would like is an OCD that has a helicopter motion built in. It would turn and slowly lower, until seated.
One future test I’d love to see is using a paper filter on the bottom layer.
WDT has been a game changer for me and is easily the cheapest tool I have. My process is: WDT -> knock it down -> Distribution tool -> Tamp (Force tamper)
Try skipping the distribution tool, i'm curious if it really makes a difference when you're already doing WDT and hopefully ending up with a fairly level coffee bed.
I just made a wdt tool using needles and a cork. I slanted the needles at an angle to create a flower of needles. Distributing anticlockwise made my shots a lot better and I'm close to getting consistent 1:2 pulls in about 20 seconds(single shot) from my delonghi dedica and using a timemlre C2 set to 7 clicks and applying a fir amount of tamp oressure(I feel I should go lower on the timemore but the manual advises against that, it'll ruin the burra faster so I'm not taking a risk)
Decided to do a rewatch on this and wondered if you’re planning to review the Moonraker from Weber. Just got one myself, and would like to hear what you think about it.
What an informative video! Now I have to get the espcup. You dismissed it as being too expensive in your oringal video, but apparently there is a huge price markup. WPM is selling it for only 47 USD (299 RMB) in their official taobao store in China. The cheapest I can find is 40 bucks. At that price point, it is an instant buy for me.
Great video! I guess I should drop the leveler and move to WDT only 😅 as to not complicate the process too much.
Did you try WDT+Tapping?
Thank you! And I didn’t I ended up skipping that as tapping results just ended up being so inconsistent, as a result I’m trying to remove it from my workflow.
In my experience only wdt and the. tamping directly has made my shots pretty consistent with way less dry patches and channeling.
@@Sprometheus what WDT would you recommend?
@@MaratGoferman I mean I’ve only tired a couple myself, but I’m pretty partial to the one I have from Sworksdesigns since it’s modular with the needles, and I love the magnetic base so I can just stick it to the side or top of my machine between uses.
Hey I know this is old now but if you have them still it would be good to see full results in the description. I'm particularly interested in tapping being combined with other methods. For example, I would guess that tapping before using an ocd makes an improvement but tapping before a wdt does sweet foxtrot alpha
Enjoyed the video, thanks, but every time someone compares OCD or chisel etc to other distribution tools they don't vary the depth. The depth is very important and can change the TDS reading and/or taste. Too deep you get double tamping which may lead to fractures, too shallow and you get surface cracks. It would have been interesting to see the results at 5 different depths. My favourite combo is WDT and Bravo distributor with its self adjusting depth. Also puck screens or filter paper can also improve the risk of channelling
I’m using WDT then OCD with puckscreen for months, works well for me.
You have one assumption wrong. I do not have an espresso machine therefore, not leveling up my espresso game but your methods, transparency and attitude makes me crave.
Did you try the duomo then the OCD to flatten the top surface before tamping? Or even the other way round.
Did you tamp the shots pulled in this video?
Struggling to pull shots without crazy channeling. Just got a new hand grinder (j-max) to see if that was the issue.
Current workflow is grind fresh beans, hand tap portafilter, wdt, tap portafilter on flat surface couple times, click tamper, use puck screen.
This was on a delonghi dedica. I am waiting for a breville bambino i ordered today for cybermonday at a nice discount.
Hello, what are them purdy cups in the video please? Thank you
Data I'd be really interested in: How many shots did you have to toss for each puck prep method? More for the OCD and classic distribution?
thx for the comparison... but fundamentally : I don't understand why the hyper sensitive coffee powder permanently is exposed to much more aggressive oxygen ...for a longer period? would it be good enough to grind directly into the ports filter, stir the ground up sensibly and then quickly punt the port filter onto the machine, starting the extraction immediately??
I ended up buying the ESPCUP after watching this video :))
Hi, I wanted to purchase an breville dual boiler bes920xl espresso for its looks and features it has, but all the place to buy are temperature out. Is there another dual boiler that about the same price that I should be looking at.
You should try to review the duomo tamper. I’m interested to see if it is a good 2 in 1 solution as it includes the original duomo the eight needles with a tamper included.
Based on your Final Thoughts, the best method utilized is via the WDT ensuring an even optimized spread is likely to delivery the 'best' quality expresso. Given this are able to advise on the best WDT to use? Thanks
After multiple tries, I have achieved the best results with WTD+distributor finished by a self-leveling spring tamper. I get 10/10 perfect shots now
How do you define coffee distribution? Breaking up any clumps and evenly distributing the grounds throughout, right? So then why are levelers often referred to as distribution tools? At best, they can only address the depth to which the user has adjusted them...simultaneously achieving some degree of tamping. The top few mm.
That said, I do employ a leveler and a distro tool with good results.
Thanks for regular quality content. Yours is a channel I value.
Big fan!
Duomo may be definitely worth the price in commercial use but at home WDT seems to be the king.
Excellent vid , consider looking at Weber shaker please . Marketed as a possible replacement to wdt but have been suspicious about the shaken not stirred method 🤔. Quite interesting extractions combining both shaker and wdt , although makes me question whether I’m doubling down on similar methods . Thanks
I actually had the shaker when I briefly owned the Key. I didn’t like the workflow, and found that the shots were still needing WDT to stay clean and smooth.
Dude... I am a subscriber, so I am in the rabbits ass deep into espresso.