THE QUICKEST N/A 1600cc VW BEETLE IN THE WORLD - 193 BHP
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2023
- Johannas Persson owner of JP Motorsport was at the SCC event in Norway competing in his 1963 VW Beetle. It is fitted with a 1584cc engine 69x85.5mm, with std valves 35.5mm intake and 32mm exhaust, as per the rules of the class, but then with added head work, cams, and fuel injection.
Rules
Aircooled VW based engine with 2 valve technique
Displacement 1584 cc (1600+-3cc)
Piston size 85,5 mm (+- 0,5 mm)
Stroke 69 mm (+- 0,1 mm)
Valve size 35,5 mm intake, 32 mm exhaust (+- 0,1 mm)
Normally aspirated or ONE power adder - it's up to you
Nitromethane prohibited
Johannes competed in the N/A / Race class (so no forced induction, but with slicks)
Classes
Naturally Aspirated (NA): Engine only run with carburetors or EFI - No Nitrous Oxide or Nitromethane
Power Adder (PA): Engine with ONE power adder i.e. turbo, blower or NOS - no Nitromethane
Street: A car of "standard" type - basically built for street use with no bigger changes done apart from possible roll-cage etc
Race: A car primarily built for Drag Racing or other racing purposes
Johannes ran several low 12 second runs, but with a best, (and a NEW WORLD RECORD ) of 12.34 @ 106.6mph
Check out the website for more details - 1600challenge.com/index.html
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www.jpmotorsports.se/en
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Johannes is a genius ! His parts are awesome too !
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Just beautiful little car, i would love it and drive it everywhere. Truly a great job
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As a fellow 1600 modified Beetle owner i really appreciate the work that has gone into this machine. I doubt my bug tops 80BHP. 193 BHP with stock stroke and heads/valves is incredible!
Yeah, i'm trying to get my head around it.... its all about the flow and higher compression then??
@@mikescudder4621 I'm guessing compression and cam are major factors and probably some big carb venturis for maximum flow.
For comparison: I have a fully rebuilt stock block. Stock 69mm crank, stock barrels and pistons. W100 cam which is a mild street upgrade. The heads have been ported but with stock valves. 12lb flywheel and header, single 1 3/4 inch SU carb. I put the engine together with careful attention to detail for reliability not top-end performance.
I can't imagine how you'd get that setup from 80-ish BHP all the way to 190+ without a turbo, but cam, compression and carburetion must be the key.
@@martinharris5017 Cool Martin, thats pretty close to what i'm doing, stock with the w100! I'm doing the whole blue printing and balancing process. SU carbs are awesome, where did you get the idea to use an SU carb? Down here in Brazil SU carbs are highly sought after for vw engines! Its a youtubers fault of course... even with a turbo i wouldn't expect to make 190HP!
I'm just as amazed as you are, but JPM are the people to do it. There is a FB group for the 1600cc challenge, where you might find more info. facebook.com/groups/2480153462273346/?ref=share
@@VeeDubRacing Thanks for the link!
God bless the Beetle. May they survive forever, if for no other reason than to teach new drivers how to drive a stick-shift.
If those exact cars were offered new on the market again, I would get one . Easy to maintain , good enough for most tasks. My first car was a ‘68 Ghia I had a 73 beetle and a hatch back also. Loved all of them
Simpler times. Bring them back 😎😎
That’s ridiculous! How cool is that.
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very cold!
Congratulations, much deserved. The Idle sounds intimating!
I've been a big fan of JPM for many years. Very impressive stuff!
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wow thats a lot of pow er from a 1600 /times are superb too i would love a close look at this motor,i raced back in the 90s with a 1904cc in a 53 oval times just out of the 12s but was a real daily driver !!!!!
Hi there. This FB page would be the best place to ask about the engine. facebook.com/groups/2480153462273346/?ref=share
Good video, good engine builder to get this BHP from a 1600 engine
Over 100 hp per liter is pretty amazing from that motor.
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Yup. I was pretty impressed when we calculated out that my dad's bug was making around 240whp na out of a 2332 he built for drag racing. Well tuned these little 4 bangers sound incredible.
@@kasuraga it is one of the best sounds 🤙🤙
Way over 100hp pr liter,that is...
@sveinuuung yeah it's 120bhp per litre
Big sound and solid twelves! Yay 😁
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awesome shifters, beauty bug👏
congrats from 🇧🇷
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Wow, thanks for sharing. - take care from USA
Thanks for watching 🙏What is the best VW drag racing event in the USA. And 1/4 mile, not 1/8 mile
@@VeeDubRacing You're welcome. Man idk, I haven't even been to my nearest drag strip(1/8th) in years, been thinking about taking my nephew & our church buddies, I think they'd like it. Always seems to be plenty of VW Bugs/Beetles at the Baja off road races, some very modified & some very stockish.
- take care
@@VeeDubRacing Idk man, I guess just ask Mr. Google or something.
Worked on bunches of these from about 1987 to 2015.
Must be a great magician there.
Only thing that could be stock in that engine would be the size of the valves.
It may be 1600 but it is all aftermarket, from the case to the air going thru it.
SUPER NICE !!
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i have been watching him for years. there are a few videos of earlier cars of his on youtube. His business website is also interesting. He makes cool stuff.
We have one of his builds in the UK. The blue 1776cc Beetle with a sequential 6 speed. It sounds awesome.
That's quick 😮😮😮
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Amazing
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Awesome car
What a gorgeous bug, loads of respect- that bloke knows how to make VW’s sing. I’d like to have known the rpm he achieves and the spec of the box. 👌🤙
I don't know the ratios on the box, but it's a type1 box. The 1776cc Beetle in the UK that he built and races in the uk, revs round to 11,000rpm. Not sure on this one
I gelieve the first 'Mouse engine ' did high 6 low 7k max power rpm.
Its well documented if you search for JPM Mouse engine.
I love it❤❤❤
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Wish my 1600 made so much hp with my modifications back then :-)
Thanks so much, enjoyed the video 🥰
Glad you liked it 🙏
You should ask him how much he invested. It's plenty. Back in the 80s I built dozens of race motors, and they were hella expensive then. I could only imagine what the cost is today...
Lol, I don't want to know 🤣 I had an engine built for my latebay about 12 years ago, and that was plenty 💰💰
My all steel N/A 1300cc 126bhp Beetle has run a 15:08@88mph. Once i've finished the rebuild it'll weigh around 595kg, so with the same engine It should see maybe a 14:6@92mph...Not bad considering its not built for drag racing, its built for historic racing, so i'm losing around half a second just to 60ft due to the long 1st gear and 135mm section historic racing treaded rear tyres
Yeah the 135mm tyres would definitely affect your start. 15.08 is still a great time for a 1300cc car though 🤙🤙
Ian! Whats up? Is there a place on the interweb where you detail whats inside your engine?? How you built it etc? Cheers
@@mikescudder4621 Hi Mike, I haven't but the motors largely stock parts, built by GAC (Formula Vee manufacturer), 1285cc magnesium case, factory twinport heads with stock sized three angled 33x30mm valves (bigger valves simply won't fit), lot of head work, stock pistons but the piston tops were clearanced for the extra valve lift and the outer piston edge domed on a lathe (creates extra turbulence) stock barrels have mild clearancing near the valves to get better air flow between the valve and the edge of the barrel (as its tight!). Engle FK10 cam with Empi ratio rockers (1.25 inlet 1.1 exhaust) counterweight crank, Empi H beam rods, 10.5lb flywheel, EMPI 44HPMX twin carbs, Porsche 911 style cooling, merged 1.5 inch exhaust with custom silencer. CR is 10.5:1 running on Sunoco 102 octane racing fuel. 126bhp@7300rpm 97lbft@5000-7000rpm. It has ZERO torque below 4500rpm so you have to slip the clutch and rev the crap out of it just to get it on the car trailer and during a race it manages about 6 miles to the gallon! Here's me using some of that fuel, Cheers! czcams.com/video/loDjQb3DYV8/video.html
That's a good time for a 1300, what about 1/8 mile? That's my reference. I'm bulding a 1300cc stock internals, EFI and turbo on alcohol... Let's test the limits of these engine!
how the heck did an aircooled 1584cc get 193hp without turbo or supercharging??
No idea... He is a very clever guy 😎
@@VeeDubRacing amazing feat..my aircooled 1200cc bike only makes 90hp, i bet he can turn it into a 120hp demon easily
Must be high compression and race gas.
what's the compression ratio? It must be running a fair amount of duration, because camlifts are limited in relation to valve diameter ?
If only I could make half that hp in my 67! I would love to have engine details beside stock bore/stroke and stock valve size. I guess most of the hp is coming from porting and polishing those heads.
You would have to check out his FB page for any more details
hell Yeah👍
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Nice to see some Finnish drag racing history (Hitlers Revenge) in this video
I do have more footage of the car, but unfortunately, he put a hole through his block 😒
Really impressive. I used to run a N/A 1584cc back in the early 90s, best time for quarter mile was 13.018 @ 100mph. I ran twin 48 DRLAs with an FK87 cam. The 193 bhp, is that measured at the flywheel?
I think it is. These guys have their own group on FB with loads of info in. facebook.com/groups/2480153462273346/?ref=share
about how much does it cost to biuld that kind of engine...is it cheaper or more expensive than doing a subary swap?
You have to remember this build was all about getting the power without a turbo, so a lot of work and development has gone into it. However both a Subaru swap and a built VW Turbo engine all depend on your budget and what you want out of it. What parts you going to use and how much power and reliability you want. Such a difficult question to answer.
25k easy
Wow.... Can you show me when you build the engine..
you will need to check out the owners FB page for more details
It's quet impressive natural asperated
Wow
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Is that a 1/4 mile track? Unfamiliar with what they run on in Europe.
yes its 1/4 mile.
people want to see the engine not the owner
Exactly
Agree
He's proud of his car.
@@Redwood0351 Still
Fast!
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Awesome! Do you have the ET paper? I would like to see 60ft and 1/8 ET... 👍💪
I don't sorry. Check out the JPM FB page - facebook.com/profile.php?id=100080351646100
That’s like a 7.9 with a 1.59 60
Is it typical to not run a fan or tins on race cars? How is this cooled?
I guess it doesn't run long enough to overheat, and it has a good amount of oil, and oil cooling.
Nice car, I am surprised that with 193 hp it didn't go into the 11s
Really. I'm trying to think of any sub 200bhp car that is quicker. I will have to check my old Ford Escort videos, as they don't hang about.
That’s why I want y to o know the weight
Is it water cooled?
Truly superb job on this wonderful Bug. Would be tempted to floor the inane, know nothing commentator.
At what revs does it deliver the 193 bhp?
probably at 10,500 rpm like a 4 cylinder motorcycle!
Crazee fast
My neighbor has a 68 bug that's been LS swapped and twin turbo'd. The front tires hardly ever touch the ground
And that fits in the back still 💪💪💪
it will always be just a Beetle
And your point is.....
how quick is it in the rain?
Slower
I like the sound of this bug at least as much as my Honda CBX.
What is your Honda reving round to? They sing when on full chat.
The day it tried to kill me.
If I drive it I’ll make it run a 12.20 on the first hit
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What’s the weight with the driver I’ll tell you exactly how much HP it really makes
I told you the HP of the engine.
what the dyno days is one thing what the car actually puts down is measured by weight and et or trap speed it could be more than what you think
@@volkstroke True, and I would guess it is bang on what Johannes says. However, I just film them, so unfortunately I don't have that detail.
I’m pretty sure that what the dyno says is what the car puts down 🥴
What fuel does he use
I'm sorry I don't know that one. I will ask
The engine is a technical work of art. Too bad it can't fit in without the hood modification. It could have been a great sleeper.
it fits just fine
Throw up a link for those wheels.
Not my car, so sorry I dont have a link for them.
What power was this one running? czcams.com/video/n_AxuqX4Fig/video.htmlsi=nbmIzwlkituTFivj
Ok it was an NA 1776 but it still ran a quick 10.9
Sorry. I don't know the power of that one. Just that it revs round 11000rpm 😎
“Any intelligent idiot can make things bigger and more. It takes real genius, and some luck, to move in the opposite direction” - Einstein.
and hopefully Einstein would have had a tuned VW if he lived today 🤙🤙
Chrysler
Not buying the 1600cc bit!
Beautiful car and build. Sounds sweet!
Why not?
Why not?
@VeeDubRacing What's the bore x stroke? What compression and gas octane? Deck height?
You running a beautiful fast car for sure. I just think you're playing racer's games that it's a type 1, 1600cc.
I'm guessing 2393cc big bore stroker or somewhere around there.
Cool car. No fan?
I guess he only drives it 400metres.
probably using the exhaust flow as fan blower on its way out 😆
Death trap
Why?
It’s got a little roll bar tho
I built one that pulled the wheels off the ground outran small block Chevy's on the street but destroyed the transmissions it was an 1835 with Norris cam Ported the heads myself
Did you ever run a 1/4 mile in it?
good interview...maybe next time don't keep cutting off the person being interviewed all the time. let them tell their story
Maybe next time I won't 🤷♂️
Thats insane, with only 2 small valves per small cylinder.
I cant understand where the power is coming from, 4 or 5;times more than stock motor!
The man's a genius 😎😎
What about bob?
And Rita and Sue 😁
Herbie was the fastest of them all.
Maybe someone needs to call him out 🤣🤣
agreed!👍
HES RUNNING STRIT ALCOHOL
So what's with the name on the green car? Hitler's revenge? Feels a little antisemetic.
I don't choose the names, I just film them 🎥 😎
curious what the compression ratio is?
Probably like 15 to 1 easy lol
probably not less than 11 to 1
Was not expecting F.I.
Not bad for N/A 😎😎