@@Zaksporebrainiac That’s true, but most people don’t get it. Back then the drivers were not stupid, of course it was very dangerous but in that era there was a different mentality compared to today’s
damn, more like Rally cars. seriously though, you have got to have super big balls to be driving at that era with little to no room for error in ALL circuits
Anyone saying modern drivers wouldn't be able to handle these cars hasn't thought it through. Modern era drivers all start racing around 10 years old in carts, they are taught car dynamics and physics they know how cars are set up at a young age also there is much more competition and many more high paying motorsports and only the very best get to drive F1. The early years of F1 the drivers were not so highly trained, I am not saying they were not amazing drivers, they were, I am merely pointing out that the competition to get to the highest level was not as big a struggle and that most drivers would have started racing at an older age and would not necessarily have the technical knowledge of todays drivers, another factor to take into account is physical fitness todays drivers train like athletes this was not the case back in the days of this video and regardless of skill physical fitness will always have bearing on performance.
I agree. It is jsut stupid when people compare are Stewart with a Hamilton or a Fangio with Schumacher. But it was much more dangerous drive races in the 50. till late 80. In that time every year driver died.
@@BassistUndStolzDrauf Yeah exactly lol, you pretty much have to be a regional karting champion by 8 if you want to stand a chance. Maybe if your daddy is a billionaire you can do it as late as 10, but that's a stretch
Horse $hit! There's no comparison with drivers of the past. The biggest difference that you failed to mention was that in the past when you CRASHED, you DIED! The spoiled children driving today are just driving video games because they can crash endless times with impunity--by the times they make the big time, they've crashed so many times that they literally can't count them all. Back in the day, a modern driver would have been eliminated from the gene pool long before they ever saw the seat of a real F-1 car. Young people today are so stupid. They think that war is like Saving Private Ryan. It isn't.
Case anybody is wondering, 0:00-0:14 Is as the description says, the great Juan Manuel Fangio (famous brown helmet and black short sleeve shirt) 0:14-1:07 is Sir Stirling Moss. (Equally famous helmet and smooth driving style) Legendary drivers :) Thanks!
Sir Jackie Stewart always said that winning at the Nurburgring was the most satisfying. He would always say goodbye to his house when he left for the 'Ring' because he never knew if he would ever see his home again. No run off area's, no crash barriers other than tree's & natural mounds lining the track. Fire marshal's and medical facilities almost non-existent & cars that gave little to no driver protection in a high speed crash. This was when they separated the men from the boys.
at racing speeds the car behave literally like its sliding on ice because the lower side of the car is in full contact with water. that contact now dectates the motion of the car (not 100% of course but SIGNIFICANTLY) so it doesn't matter what tyres you have the car is uncontrollable at high speeds. what you can argue is that during the rain the regulation should state that the cars should be raised by about 2-3 cm so that this effect will no longer affect the steering so much.
I wolud like FIA to make an event and invite 2012. f1 drivers and give them this reconstructed cars from late 1960s and then lets watch thos self called talents.. those cars have double cloutch and gear shifter :O
you forgot to mention that those old cars also had better rain tyres. now I have a great respect for todays brave men of formula one. and also masters in engineering too.
Do you guys think the added lead weight would aid or hinder the car? Their balls would lower the center of gravity but also add to the overall weight of the car.
One thing I hate about these videos is the slating of modern day drivers in comments. Yes it was more dangerous back then, but its also a hell of a lot quicker now - it's not modern F1 driver's faults the danger element has been reduced.. Better that than having 3 of them dying every season. F1 drivers are the best in the world no matter their era. If Alonso had've been born 50 years earlier I'm sure he'd have 'adapted' in some weird time paradox and challenged for titles then as well.
yup professor pain and dying is quite the same thing... the knowlege that you might die after the crash does make you think about if to go flat out or not
Mito pra caralho! Admiro muito pois eles domavam o carro no braço. E não tinha segurança alguma e eles aceleravam tudo. As pistas eram ruins...e o que eles tinham era amor pela maquina e pela velocidade. Top 🤗
i would like to see some modern f1 drivers in this cars. i think they would do better. They can fully concentrate on car control because there is not even a pinch of todays g-forces.
I don't think that's what he was meaning. I think what he was trying to say is that you had to have balls of steel to drive back then, which you did. 160+ mph, one stuff up and you are dead. F1 these days is very safe.
Oh no he meant different, hence my argument which I won. Of course those guys were crazy=) and modern F1 is much safer, but I don't see how is that "worse" drivers still get pretty bad injuries when having a crash. Also a lot of them race in DTM's etc - and people die there. Mark Webber had some very nasty crashes there.
but this is something the FIA should look at, its not the drivers fault that the cars are designed to go as fast as possible hence making the cars unusable during the heavy rain. so the correct thing is to blame the regulation body and not the drivers who you ask to battle the laws of physics, which no man can do. its like asking someone to jump 15 meters in the air using his muscles - sorry not possible.
damn..its like a Dare racing those days. without much safety and protection around tracks. looks scary. these guys are Gods of racing. Now a days in the name of safety they have taken the heart away from racing.
i mean you can't blame the courage of the drive that the reason he takes the corner flat (which they do, constantly today) is because their cars are RELIABLE. in the good old days you car could brake in the middle of the corner, today it doesn't - how is that diminishes the courage of the racing driver? do you also want to add the crap quality of the cars to todays F1 cars? is that going to make the drivers more courageous as well?
They would do better?? They would probably died on first corner. It's much easier to drive modern F1-bolids, compared to ''OLD BOX''-es on 3 inch skinny tires, with brakes that we using only at small motorbikes, and where downforce was only dream.
tyres have nothing to do with it. you see thats the problem with being a farm animal. you don't even know like what the sun is... or that you breathe air... a farm animal what can i say. so here we go: once the water makes a full contact with the lower wing IT DOESN'T MATTER EVEN IF YOUR TYRES ARE MADE FROM ABSORBING TOWELS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY DRY!!! tyres make like 10% difference now - IT SIMPLY DOESN'T MATTER. the cars main connection with the road is that thin layer of water.
thats what i am saying - you are wrong, they wouldn't look at mark webber crashes, learn the history before making stupid remarks like these. seriously learn the drivers, they had TERRIBLE accidents along the way. THEY ONLY REASON THEY ARE ALIVE is that the cars are safer - BUT THEY STILL SLAMMED IN THE WALL AT 200 MILES AN HOUR!!
of course its true, but 1st of all: 1) you can die in today f1, you just can. 2) does it make a significant difference knowing that you can die OR be crippled FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. i mean to personally its equal. if i can't have kids, can't work, can't enjoy the life, whats the point? and you can be crippled in today f1 thats for sure. thus taking into account the last fact i don't think ur argument is valid. you see F1 cars became more RELIABLE, thats the other thing as well.
You had to be completely crazy to drive these things... That's why they are legends!
Heck. You had to be completely crazy to be a spectator.
This is what happens when you want to feel the excitement of battle once again. Legends
Wow. Custom seats in those cars. Those guys had some biiiiiig balls.
remember that was considered as safe as it gets in them days
zak loxray that still doens't change the fact that it was fuckin dangoures.. and they knew it. they knew the safety was shit
@@Zaksporebrainiac That’s true, but most people don’t get it. Back then the drivers were not stupid, of course it was very dangerous but in that era there was a different mentality compared to today’s
@@dj00lazz that was my point it was dangerous as hell and that was the safest they had or what they considered as safe
@@Zaksporebrainiac Exactly.
damn, more like Rally cars. seriously though, you have got to have super big balls to be driving at that era with little to no room for error in ALL circuits
Anyone saying modern drivers wouldn't be able to handle these cars hasn't thought it through.
Modern era drivers all start racing around 10 years old in carts, they are taught car dynamics and physics they know how cars are set up at a young age also there is much more competition and many more high paying motorsports
and only the very best get to drive F1.
The early years of F1 the drivers were not so highly trained, I am not saying they were not amazing drivers, they were, I am merely pointing out that the competition to get to the highest level was not as big a struggle and that most drivers would have started racing at an older age and would not necessarily have the technical knowledge of todays drivers, another factor to take into account is physical fitness todays drivers train like athletes this was not the case back in the days of this video and regardless of skill physical fitness will always have bearing on performance.
10 years old? if you start racing go karts at 10, the chances of you becoming an F1 driver are basically over nowadays....
Matthias Friedl my friend started rallying at 11 tr old.. i started rallying at 14 yo... so i should have big chances to become a WRC rally driver?
I agree. It is jsut stupid when people compare are Stewart with a Hamilton or a Fangio with Schumacher. But it was much more dangerous drive races in the 50. till late 80. In that time every year driver died.
@@BassistUndStolzDrauf Yeah exactly lol, you pretty much have to be a regional karting champion by 8 if you want to stand a chance. Maybe if your daddy is a billionaire you can do it as late as 10, but that's a stretch
Horse $hit! There's no comparison with drivers of the past. The biggest difference that you failed to mention was that in the past when you CRASHED, you DIED! The spoiled children driving today are just driving video games because they can crash endless times with impunity--by the times they make the big time, they've crashed so many times that they literally can't count them all.
Back in the day, a modern driver would have been eliminated from the gene pool long before they ever saw the seat of a real F-1 car. Young people today are so stupid. They think that war is like Saving Private Ryan. It isn't.
Case anybody is wondering,
0:00-0:14 Is as the description says, the great Juan Manuel Fangio (famous brown helmet and black short sleeve shirt)
0:14-1:07 is Sir Stirling Moss. (Equally famous helmet and smooth driving style)
Legendary drivers :) Thanks!
Nothing but respect for these guys
Fangio was so great!
driving that kinda car, in that kinda speed, with circuits like that back then and no seat belts....I'll be shittin' my pants
nice vid! respect to these pioneers of motorsports.
Someday today's F1 will look like this to the next generations
They drive and sound Amazing !
Sir Jackie Stewart always said that winning at the Nurburgring was the most satisfying. He would always say goodbye to his house when he left for the 'Ring' because he never knew if he would ever see his home again.
No run off area's, no crash barriers other than tree's & natural mounds lining the track. Fire marshal's and medical facilities almost non-existent & cars that gave little to no driver protection in a high speed crash. This was when they separated the men from the boys.
at racing speeds the car behave literally like its sliding on ice because the lower side of the car is in full contact with water. that contact now dectates the motion of the car (not 100% of course but SIGNIFICANTLY) so it doesn't matter what tyres you have the car is uncontrollable at high speeds.
what you can argue is that during the rain the regulation should state that the cars should be raised by about 2-3 cm so that this effect will no longer affect the steering so much.
Gorgeous vid.
Who needs Armco when you've got trees & paddocks
Beautiful.
you are right once again Sherlock. todays drivers risk much more in the rain driving those completely safe cars. true heroes.
this is what a real f1 driver n circuit looks like.
Nurburgring Nordshlieffe is the greatest racetrack ever made and i want to drive it one day.
I wolud like FIA to make an event and invite 2012. f1 drivers and give them this reconstructed cars from late 1960s and then lets watch thos self called talents..
those cars have double cloutch and gear shifter :O
Balls of steel!
you forgot to mention that those old cars also had better rain tyres. now I have a great respect for todays brave men of formula one.
and also masters in engineering too.
These cars were death traps. Respect.
Do you guys think the added lead weight would aid or hinder the car? Their balls would lower the center of gravity but also add to the overall weight of the car.
One thing I hate about these videos is the slating of modern day drivers in comments. Yes it was more dangerous back then, but its also a hell of a lot quicker now - it's not modern F1 driver's faults the danger element has been reduced.. Better that than having 3 of them dying every season.
F1 drivers are the best in the world no matter their era. If Alonso had've been born 50 years earlier I'm sure he'd have 'adapted' in some weird time paradox and challenged for titles then as well.
Didn't know these guys drove so hard with such little safety.. damn..
1.18 on the karusel! Legendary
in this video i can only see one thing: BALLS OF STEEL.
Crash in these cars and you were lucky to walk away. These guys cornered the market on bravery.
Amazing how fast they can haul ass through the corners with tyres as thick as your bicycle
The Wayne Gretzky of F1
Thumbs up for Jackie Stewart
wow. skills didn't win you races back then, it was the sheer amount of bravery a driver possessed. It was a case of "let the bravest man win".
Dalibor Joksimovic it was both
yup professor pain and dying is quite the same thing...
the knowlege that you might die after the crash does make you think about if to go flat out or not
So more skillful drivers than today's multi million pounds drivers.
They were no cars They were MONSTERS!!
Mito pra caralho! Admiro muito pois eles domavam o carro no braço. E não tinha segurança alguma e eles aceleravam tudo. As pistas eram ruins...e o que eles tinham era amor pela maquina e pela velocidade. Top 🤗
Epic!
The original Mario Kart
i would like to see some modern f1 drivers in this cars. i think they would do better. They can fully concentrate on car control because there is not even a pinch of todays g-forces.
@Tom Smith If the sometimes very amateurish guys from back then could do it, today's drivers could also do it.
F1 just uploaded a video with the earliest onboard being from the 1985 german gp. Why didn't they use this footage??
semi automatic ist NOT automatic. and there are no automatic gearboxes in F1.
they have black and white gopros back then
@pjwsnooty Yes it does! In the Modena autodrome!
BALLS!!!!
oha des war ja wirklich übel, nicht auszudenken was passiert wenn man verunglückt...
Thanks Madrocketsnail! The clip starts with J-MF in a 250F does it not?
Look at those tires
Wow, that takes carbon-fibre-reinforced balls!
yes these cars were not realy save BUT LOOK AT THESE TRACKS. Track => Gras => Tree
Thats Hardcore!! I think I never like to sit in this car.
I don't think that's what he was meaning. I think what he was trying to say is that you had to have balls of steel to drive back then, which you did. 160+ mph, one stuff up and you are dead. F1 these days is very safe.
What could possibly go wrong here?
so what? I would like to see them drive in these conditions - trees near the track, no safety zones in a t-shirt and a leather helmet...
Oh no he meant different, hence my argument which I won.
Of course those guys were crazy=) and modern F1 is much safer, but I don't see how is that "worse" drivers still get pretty bad injuries when having a crash.
Also a lot of them race in DTM's etc - and people die there. Mark Webber had some very nasty crashes there.
Nice hard hat.
but this is something the FIA should look at, its not the drivers fault that the cars are designed to go as fast as possible hence making the cars unusable during the heavy rain.
so the correct thing is to blame the regulation body and not the drivers who you ask to battle the laws of physics, which no man can do. its like asking someone to jump 15 meters in the air using his muscles - sorry not possible.
don't judge me by your own experience, computer boy
Did they have onboard cameras back then ???
Took some major balls back then haha
when men and machine were one *-*
some hamilton or alonso would piss their girly pants just watching this video
no kers no drs no aerodunamics thats motoracing
Just a road.
they are.
thats scary))
I can drive it easily
Into the first tire barrier I see
In thoise years there were no Hamilton cutting chicanes.
driver bolls shoud be bigger then wheels!
0:11
damn..its like a Dare racing those days. without much safety and protection around tracks. looks scary. these guys are Gods of racing. Now a days in the name of safety they have taken the heart away from racing.
does this thing even have a seatbelt?
Seatbelts were introduced in F1 on early 70s. If i remember well, this car is a Maserati 250F on Modena's track
Nope, this was the deadliest era in f1,which is why the cars are referred to as “coffins on wheels”
No seatbelts, no helmets, and no firesuits. These things make 250cc Superkarts look safe by comparison.
@nexgenhippy
i can highly recommend it!
Alter Schwede!
Is this Vettel inside?
When men were men. All current F1 drivers would shit their pants just from driving 60mp/h.
i dont say it in the bad way, just because now he is the best - put vettel in one of these cars and he will shit his pants.
@nexgenhippy I am going there next year ;)
yeah, but not much fun to crash I'd think.
i mean you can't blame the courage of the drive that the reason he takes the corner flat (which they do, constantly today) is because their cars are RELIABLE.
in the good old days you car could brake in the middle of the corner, today it doesn't - how is that diminishes the courage of the racing driver?
do you also want to add the crap quality of the cars to todays F1 cars? is that going to make the drivers more courageous as well?
Heftig , keine Absicherung nix nada ein Fehler und tschüss :D
They would do better?? They would probably died on first corner. It's much easier to drive modern F1-bolids, compared to ''OLD BOX''-es on 3 inch skinny tires, with brakes that we using only at small motorbikes, and where downforce was only dream.
..shit!
todays f1 is a doddle!
Haha, you said fursuits. I don't think those are safe racing gear!
Crap it looks far harder!
Sem nem uma segurança a proteção do piloto era a cabeça dele aí tinha coragem mesmo
I'm a historic racing enthusiast and a nowadays racing huge disliker, nonetheless I fully agree
But nowadays F1 pilots doesn't have to switch gears with a stick on their right side, and there is no coupling pedal at all.
tyres have nothing to do with it. you see thats the problem with being a farm animal. you don't even know like what the sun is... or that you breathe air... a farm animal what can i say. so here we go:
once the water makes a full contact with the lower wing IT DOESN'T MATTER EVEN IF YOUR TYRES ARE MADE FROM ABSORBING TOWELS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY DRY!!!
tyres make like 10% difference now - IT SIMPLY DOESN'T MATTER. the cars main connection with the road is that thin layer of water.
Today not! All formula 1 cars nowadays has semic or fully automatic gearboxes.
thats what i am saying - you are wrong, they wouldn't look at mark webber crashes, learn the history before making stupid remarks like these.
seriously learn the drivers, they had TERRIBLE accidents along the way. THEY ONLY REASON THEY ARE ALIVE is that the cars are safer - BUT THEY STILL SLAMMED IN THE WALL AT 200 MILES AN HOUR!!
they drive faster)) much much faster
of course its true, but 1st of all:
1) you can die in today f1, you just can.
2) does it make a significant difference knowing that you can die OR be crippled FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. i mean to personally its equal. if i can't have kids, can't work, can't enjoy the life, whats the point? and you can be crippled in today f1 thats for sure.
thus taking into account the last fact i don't think ur argument is valid. you see F1 cars became more RELIABLE, thats the other thing as well.
Automatic gearboxes should be banned in F1!
Along with electric engines
footage illegally taken from 50 Years of F1 Onboard film
Slow cars
Jovanni Chester I bet you can't handle those cars.
if 250 kmh in a straight is slow for you then you are a fucking moron
It may be slower than modern one, but back then so many driver killed from accident
For their time, that cars were fast.