The push to electrify the nation's school buses
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- čas přidán 15. 09. 2023
- School buses run on diesel and can be heavy polluters, releasing harmful gases into the air while ferrying millions of children. Around the country, there's a push to switch the buses to electric options. Manuel Bojorquez has more.
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That weird ethereal sound EVs make will permeate our minds.
Just think ! We could spend it on education.
Electric busses are an investment. They will save tons of money in the long run due to reduced fuel and maintenance costs; this saved money can then be spent on education.
@@beanapprentice1687 Wrong !!
Not sure if I want my kids bursting into flames in the name of going green...
LOL no kid has bursted into flames
Regular ice engines have and do catch fire way more often that electric cars but hay keep believing that
It's a shame the cost is so high. In time I'm sure the cost will come down.
I'm not sure I want my nieces and nephews riding on electric school bus
Stop. Get a girlfriend
@@rensinclair4218 what that have to do anything with my comment
@@galawnmower Well you have the option to drive your niece and nephew to school.
The future of electric buses begin now.
Massively expensive spontaneously exploding school buses. Wonderful.
What would explode?
And gas the most combustable liquid in the world makes you feel better???
@@ziploc2000 The battery. Run a search on EV explode and you'll see the problem.
@@masonhardy4600 Yes, because gas-powered vehicles are safer - they very rarely spontaneously explode.
Because it doesn't have a massive enormously powerful rack of rechargeable batteries - which can and do explode. Search on EV explode if you doubt it.
@@masonhardy4600 Hey, what's 60 gallons of highly explosive fuel between friends?
Honestly these morons who think that an electric battery is explosive, but an internal combustion engine is somehow safer, just try my pateince.
Might want the technology in place to support this switch BEFOREHAND. Not to mention the fact that current power grids cannot support the concept 😂🤭🤡
Says you.
School busses in the rural areas are selected for being simple, being cheap, and lasting a long time. An EV likely is 0 for 3.
Nothing beats the crown bus
WHY ???? Spend More MONEY ???? 😊😮
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In the long run they save money.
@@ziploc2000 They don't save money. This is an old claim made all the time whenever they want us to start buying and using things which are more expensive, and later we find out the hard way it wasn't true.
@@willmont8258 Says you. According to you we have an endless supply of oil lol. That comment alone shows your Ievel of education.
@@PyroShields Says reality. And you seem to think we have an endless supply of the rare earth minerals needed for batteries. We have far more oil and gas than those minerals. You sound like the uneducated type, since everything you say is based on wishful thinking. Rare earth minerals will use an enormous amount of energy to extract from the earth in the first place. That will cancel out any supposed benefit. You need to live in the real world, not the fantasy world where everything will magically come from batteries even though it will be impossible to make the 10s of millions needed for all the vehicles, and the power to charge them won't be there either. We will need a lot more power plants which burn fossil fuel, or nuclear power if you want to charge all those batteries. But since your side doesn't want any fossil fuel or nuclear power, we would only have wind and solar, which adds up to no power at all. What is your lever of education? 4th grade? Because what you are saying is what activist teachers teach kids today in elementary school. Like you, they don't know much either.
No. Just... no
Well if it isn't the consequences of our actions of creating a car-centric, sprawling, unwalkable, unbikeable, bad built butch body country.
Why do we need so many buses in the first place. That is the bigger issue/question we should be asking ourselves.
So did they think about the miles on the battery when schools are going on field trips?
There all going to be just one big giant yellow Ford Pinto.
Lithium batteries are more environmentally friendly than gas? They're not. Lithium mines are extremely environmentally destructive.
they are because they don't cause smogs.
@@PyroShields We drive the cleanest cars ever produced.
@@PyroShields That's caused by much more than just cars. Places like Denver, LA, Salt Lake all have unique weather conditions that trap pollutants.
@@b.louise9091 There are 290 million cars in this country are you saying they don't produce any carbon footprint? LOL You need schooling.
@@PyroShields I did not say any. I said we drive the cleanest cars on the planet. Lithium battery powered cars are not practical in all situations and NO ONE is going to limit their personal travel by using only ebikes.
Natural gas instead of electric.
Electric has no range and the batteries don't like heat or cold
Weather. Batteries derate fast and don't hold a charge
School buses travel (on average) under 50 miles per day.
The statements you made are the same tired old talking points that EV opponents always bring up, and they're wrong.
Electric vehicles can have plenty of range when they are built with a large enough battery pack. A school bus is big enough to comfortably carry a 300-400 kWh battery, which can easily give it upwards of 200 km of range in city driving. And considering that most school busses only drive a few dozen km a day around the city at low speeds, a super-long-range battery is not needed at all. With current battery tech, we can already replace the vast majority of school busses with electric ones.
As for battery degradation, that was a valid point 15 years ago, but times have since changed. Well-made lithium-ion batteries last well over a decade in EV applications before showing noticeable degradation. And they can still be used for a while after that before becoming useless. And the batteries inside these EV school busses are of the lithium-iron-phosphate chemistry, which last many times longer than a cobalt-based battery chemistry (which already lasts a long time in its own right).
About time!
Kids should walk like in the old days!!
You have no idea how much CO2 is produced during the mining and refining of lithium and manufacturing of lithium ion batteries
The same material can be found in your cell phone, computers tablets among other things.
@@PyroShields And those are very small amounts compared with what batteries for buses and cars will need.
@@willmont8258 If you add up all the phones, computers, tablets and countless other wireless devices that small amount is not so small anymore.
@@PyroShields You miss the point. Compared to what batteries for cars, trucks, and buses will need, the batteries for phones and other devices are miniscule. The power needed for a phone is nothing compared to the power needed for a car, truck, or bus. You don't sound like someone who is in touch with reality.
@@willmont8258 Tell that to Norway and China to leading countries.
So were gonna trash our electric grid because we support the latest thing? What happens when these busses catch on fire? I imagine parents wont like that very much.
How would they catch on fire?
@@ziploc2000 happens all the time
@@ziploc2000 Have you not seen these electrical cars catching fire? You cant put them out. The firefighters literally have to just wait for it to go out. The batteries they are putting in these electric vehicles are dangerous as hell!!!
@@rc-st9pg I think we should go back to horses because gas is also flammable.
@@chobiden7770 No it does not. Statistically speaking, electric vehicles catch fire an order of magnitude less often than fossil-fuel powered ones. With proper first-responder training, containing one of these EV fires when it does happen is a non-issue, provided it happens out in the open and not in a sub-terranean garage (and school busses rarely ever park in sub-terranean garages).
Electricfy?! No fair i love the sound of their diesel Engine
disagree with electric school bus on the road it's wasting money in taxpayers money
Funding low-emissions transportation, which reduces the risk of lung cancer and neurological disorders in children, is not a waste of taxpayer money. You wanna know what _is_ a waste of tax money? Giving tax breaks to the oil industry, which is composed of the most powerful and rich companies in the world. Now _that_ is a waste taxpayers' money.
How about the global environmental impact of mining lituim...? Also, where are all the chargers/stations getting their electricity from..?
from diesel generators
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Lithium is also found in your cell phone and computer. Shocker.
@@PyroShields Those are small amounts compared to what vehicle batteries will require.
@@willmont8258 There are more wireless devices than EV's .
So we talking about the EV bus company that the buses burst into flames or the one that the Energy secretary owned stock in that she sold before it went bankrupt?
yes
That’s the idea 💡 of their population control .
@@ZzXZ636 Well you are being controlled whether you realize it or not. You have to buy gas and oil at whatever price they sell it to you for.
@@PyroShields True but you have more freedom with gas than electric .
@@ZzXZ636 How so? Gas you have no choice you have to buy. Electricity you have a choice, you can harvest power through renewable energy if you want to be off the grid.
Coal powered bus
Just one EV bus burns will end their use permanently. School buses need
A/C with particulate/ virus/cold/flu replacable filters..
Saving on fuel costs? As though the electricity to charge all these buses is free?
Electric buses are 14 cents a mile and diesel buses are 44 cents a mile.
@@PyroShields Not true. You are believing BS. If you add up all the costs of electric buses, they are more expensive all the way, because they can't run as long and take too long to charge. That means you need more of them to do the same job as diesel.
@@PyroShields If they were cheaper, then cities and private companies would buy them all up as fast as possible, but the fact that they have to be subsidized by the government before any one will buy them shows what you are saying is not true. They are too expensive, don't run long enough, and take too long to recharge, and the cost of the electricity needed to charge them will keep going up as there is more demand and the supply falls off when wind and solar can't come close to filling the demand. Either we will have very high prices which most average people can't afford, and they will have to go without cars, or massive shortages with blackouts and no charging possible. You live in a make believe world if you think all electric is going to work based on "renewables". Nuclear power is the only option that might work eventually, but that is decades away from happening, even if we started building nuclear power plants non stop for the next 20 years.
@@PyroShields Electric buses are twice as expensive to buy and they can only do 1/3 of the miles before having to recharge, where a diesel bus can run 300+ miles on one tank and can refill in minutes. That difference makes electric too expensive based on how much use they provide, so you need more of them to to the same work a diesel can do. Buses in rural areas might drive well over 100 miles a day, just for students back and forth to school, and not including all the other runs made for additional school activities. Private bus companies must do other runs with their buses to make enough money to stay operational, since they don't make enough on just school runs. That is why forcing them to buy buses that cost twice what diesel buses costs will put them out of business. But again, that is what some want, no private vehicles or transportation companies, and only city and State owned transportation for everything.
@@PyroShields Forcing people to drive EVs for no reason is dumb, and it will backfire when people can't drive to work or the store because they can't afford an EV, and are left with nothing, or they can't charge the batteries because there is not enough power in the grid, or the cost of electricity is too much to pay for so they go without. Very dumb to force people to do something for no reason except that you want them to, and you still can't explain why you are insisting on it. You are free to buy and drive an EV if you want, but you will find out that they are not what you think. I have talked to people who have a Tesla, and they said they would not have gotten one if they knew beforehand the problems with range and time charging. The cars are more like a burden than a benefit.
Test them in Minnasota. LOL!!!
I sat on the side of the road in a school bus way too often thanks to kids fighting and having to wait for the sheriff to show up. No way would I want my kids to have to sit on the side of the road because the bus ran low on charge. 🤣
looks like im walking to school
Good exercise will do you good.
Heh what school buses? Our transportation got cut during Covid. 😑
Useless idea to triple the cost to the taxpayer
Maybe tell your government to stop giving massive tax breaks to Big Oil, and then you'll have money left over for less environmentally-destructive projects.
@@beanapprentice1687 Go away bot
@@beanapprentice1687 they give more subsidies to windmills that are useless as much as solar power is useless
@@darrendaine4914 so what if I'm a bot, I'm right!
Where will the power come from ? I know it cost a small fortune to heat my house . I agree with the concept, but my daughter lives in California . Why not free solar ? 😎😊
I would imagine they're going to use solar power as much as possible.
A C type bus is 45 foot long and 9 wide, they could mount at least ten 6'x3' 400 Kw solar panels directly on the roof of each bus, and continue to generate power even while in use. Then plug them in to a central charging station back at the depot, which could have more panels and batteries installed.
It's all very feasible, but expensive and takes years to pay for itself, but carbon neutral after year or less.
Of course the cost of installing solar panels is coming down, so it's a tricky decision when to switch, but I think we're going to see more and more local solar power generation and usage like this, despite the idiots in the comments thinking that somehow an electric motor or battery is more dangerous than 60 gallons of liquid explosive carried under the bus.
@@ziploc2000 Those idiots have names. They are called "EV haters" don't take that away from them.
@@ziploc2000 If you think putting solar panels on the roofs of buses is going to power your bus, you are going to be stuck in one place for a long time before you get enough charge to get you moving. And then you won't get very far before you run out of juice again.
@@willmont8258 It won't provide all the power, but it can provide some of it.
@@ziploc2000 I wish it would, but the truth is that the cost of putting them on and maintaining them vs the amount of power they would make adds up to nothing. Electric vehicles are doomed unless we build nuclear power plants, because that is the only way to get enough power to charge everything we plan making all electric without oil, gas, or coal. These electric vehicles will be very expensive and need a lot of electricity which we will not have if we go with wind and solar as our primary power source.
Next get AI to drive the bus.
Apparently the people at CBS don't understand that the electricity needed to charge these buses has to be produced, and mostly with fossil fuels like coal or natural gas, because wind and solar can't produce enough at once to power everything we have running at the same time. All of those methods of producing electricity create CO2 at some point of their process. The mining and processing of the minerals for the batteries alone will produce more CO2 than what those buses would produce with standard diesel engines. Making everything electric just makes electricity more expensive, and with wind solar, less reliable. We will end up with massive shortages of power while the costs drive up inflation far worse than what it has been over the last 2 years.
I was searching for EV haters and I ended up at your comment.
@@PyroShields EVs suck, because they can't do what liquid fuel vehicles can do, and will make it impossible for people to go very far. But that is exactly why the government is pushing them.
@@willmont8258 You are going to have to accept this just like you had to accept smart phones were going to dominate. Nothing you can do about it.
@@PyroShields Depends on where you are, and even in places where they don't go far, like in some small cities and communities, diesel buses won't use much fuel anyway, so there is no reason to burden those places with buses that cost $300,000 to $350,000 for such a small amount of travel. In rural areas, electric would be dead on the side of the road before half the day is over.
@@PyroShields Who was forcing smart phones on people? Kind of a silly comparison. If the technology works and is priced lower than what we have now, then people will buy it because it is better and cheaper. That is very different than forcing people to buy something which is twice as expensive and doesn't give the same amount of work or output, just because you think it is better for them.
Just wait until the lithium batteries start exploding....
And tell the kids riding the buses the lithium used for the batteries are being mined by kids their age..
LOL has that ever happen or you are just wishing for it.