Rotor Sail Explained

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  • čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
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    Flettner rotor sail as explained in this video is an unconventional means of vessel propulsion and stabilization. First developed by German engineer Anton Flettner in the early 1900s, it uses a phenomenon of fluid dynamics known as the Magnus effect to propel the ship.
    The Flettner sailing rotor efficiency depends on many factors, one being the type of the ship. The Flettner rotor sail technology is powered by small motor that is located within the hull, while the rotors themselves project vertically upwards for propulsion. As they rotate, the Magnus effect comes into play, and a horizontal thrust is generated to the aft of the vessel. The main source of energy is the motors that power the rotors, while the output is provided by the relative motion of the surrounding air.
    The correct direction of rotation with respect to the airflow direction can enhance the Flettner rotor sial performance and efficiency as explained in this video.
    Video Credit - Norsepower - www.norsepower...
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Komentáře • 112

  • @ph11p3540
    @ph11p3540 Před 3 lety +34

    Thanks for the diagrams and vector mechanisms that explains how this actually works. It's clearly a supplemental power source not a main power source. Still, fuel savings is fuel savings and that's money in the bank.

    • @marineinsight
      @marineinsight  Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, it is not a primary propulsion system. It assists the main engine to reduce load and ultimately overall fuel consumption of the ship.

    • @SK718NYC
      @SK718NYC Před 3 lety +2

      @@marineinsight Except you forget that it cost load to power those giant rotors. Not to mention it is very situational and the wind has to blow in your favor. Also has to blow very fast. The amount of weight it adds and also the uncertainty of the wind, makes this pretty useless tbh.

    • @johndor7793
      @johndor7793 Před 2 lety

      I dont understand how this could be better than a wind turbine?.

    • @dalsenov
      @dalsenov Před rokem +1

      @@johndor7793 It is not better but works onshore (on a ship) and does not need 100 m height.

    • @dalsenov
      @dalsenov Před rokem +1

      I meant offshore,of course.

  • @joonasvanhala
    @joonasvanhala Před 3 lety +25

    The rotor on the passanger ship (Viking Grace) was removed in April because the benefits were marginal on the ship’s current route.

    • @aurigo_tech
      @aurigo_tech Před rokem +2

      Rotorsails do work and at amazing efficency - but but a single rotor that tiny on a ship that huge - of course it would not do much.

    • @jflogel
      @jflogel Před 11 měsíci +9

      The tests lined up well with designed and predicted fuel savings, which were about 300 tons per year. The rotor sail was removed after completion of the trial and Viking's newest ship was built for use with a rotor sail so it seems they're committed to the technology.

  • @deonjosegilbert8024
    @deonjosegilbert8024 Před 3 lety +2

    Basic concept and simple explanation shown in a perfect way.👍👍

    • @marineinsight
      @marineinsight  Před 3 lety

      Glad you liked it! Please do share and support 👍

  • @blauwzakjecrack
    @blauwzakjecrack Před 3 lety +5

    works with sidewind only. incase of headwind it is counter productive,so they should make it retractable,also helps with bridges.

    • @xpedalpusherx
      @xpedalpusherx Před 3 lety +2

      Did you watch the part of the video where they showed the "tiltable" version?

    • @aurigo_tech
      @aurigo_tech Před rokem

      No, it works with any wind direction, except straight into the wind. The magnus force works perpendicular to the wind direction. This means there will always be a forward-component in the resulting magnus force (again, except when heading exactly into the wind).

  • @cliffontheroad
    @cliffontheroad Před 11 měsíci

    Good explaination. Raspy music enhances so my speaker icon was useful. Today, October 5, is a story about WindWings. If the wind is blowing in the right direction, let us also consider canvas sails. Old ways worked fine, adding a bit of rope, and a crows nest to watch where the ship is going.

  • @nypzzgdh7712
    @nypzzgdh7712 Před 3 lety +5

    idk...even the purpose of me watch this but,good explenation

  • @yanassi
    @yanassi Před měsícem

    I learned about the tubes spinning becoming a propulsive force. But i wonder, does the cylinders spinning faster or slower make a difference to the propulsion?

  • @jimmorrison8837
    @jimmorrison8837 Před 3 lety +3

    Great explanation. Since shipping adds about 3 percent of total greenhouse gases this technology could be a piece of the solution

    • @flat-earther
      @flat-earther Před 2 lety

      I agree it's a cool explanation.
      Global warming is a double h*oax. First, the earth is not a globe, but a stationary plane. Second, the man made warming is a fallacy.

    • @elvenfellow8596
      @elvenfellow8596 Před 2 lety

      Lol funny @Perinne

    • @nil981
      @nil981 Před rokem

      Not really.

  • @frilink
    @frilink Před 3 lety +8

    Wouldn't it work only if the wind are perpendicular to path of the ship for this to work?

    • @aurigo_tech
      @aurigo_tech Před rokem

      A magnus rotor will produce a force perpendicular to the wind. That force can be divided into a side ways component (like X-axis, resulting in heeling) and a propulsion component (like Y-axis). At almost any angle of wind (except when sailing straight into the wind) there will be a propulsion component from the magnus force.

  • @myparadiseonbantayanisland9030

    As long as the wind is 90 degrees on the side it works???

  • @heybert1982
    @heybert1982 Před 11 měsíci

    The SC Connector has just come along side my vessel in Bergen. Very impressive.

  • @abhishektalajiya1987
    @abhishektalajiya1987 Před 3 lety +3

    What an amazing coincidence i just heard this name today from one of the CE and boom here's a video.😂😂 Amazing

    • @marineinsight
      @marineinsight  Před 3 lety +1

      Glad you saw this video 👍. Thanks to your CE :)

    • @ferrarim5p75
      @ferrarim5p75 Před 3 lety

      @@marineinsight Can't aerofoils, of the same width do the same job and do it better because it does not need to expend energy to spin the rotors?

  • @amberdev5634
    @amberdev5634 Před 2 lety +3

    Dosent it produce extra drag..in case of no wind

  • @training7574
    @training7574 Před 3 měsíci

    Very interesting phenomenon well explained. Annoying music, though.

  • @sanketoiler6526
    @sanketoiler6526 Před 3 lety +2

    Your channel is Amazing it help us to grow knowledge. Keep it up
    👍🏻

    • @marineinsight
      @marineinsight  Před 3 lety

      Thanks a ton Please do share and support 👍🏻

  • @SHINEABRAHAMSHINE
    @SHINEABRAHAMSHINE Před 2 lety +1

    Very nice explanation.

  • @silentblackhole
    @silentblackhole Před 4 měsíci

    Seems to me that this wouldn't be as efficient as sails but it would be very low on maintenance, usage and cheap to install.

  • @maikharing4876
    @maikharing4876 Před rokem +1

    Just saw the cargo ship with the tiltable ones today with my own eyes. Very impressive!

    • @marineinsight
      @marineinsight  Před rokem +2

      Awesome. Which part of the world you are based out of?

    • @maikharing4876
      @maikharing4876 Před rokem +1

      @@marineinsight Living in Germany but currently staying in Rotterdam, Netherlands. I did a harbour tour when I saw it leaving the port.

  • @kjm-ch7jc
    @kjm-ch7jc Před 2 lety +1

    So you need a motor to spin the rotors, the savings will be minimal as compared to a sail ?

  • @fireblade900ify
    @fireblade900ify Před měsícem

    Can they not, attach it too a motor internally and generate electricity to power electric propellers?

  • @henryyip1
    @henryyip1 Před rokem +2

    I humbly don't understand, might as well install a sail like those in traditional yachts ? Why not ? Why no ?

    • @aurigo_tech
      @aurigo_tech Před rokem +1

      A traditional sail requires a lot of space on deck and manpower to handle it, as well as a lot of maintenance. These on the other hand are compact, fully automated and require little maintenance.

    • @Cogard
      @Cogard Před rokem

      @@aurigo_tech Modern sailing ships are all automated. Very few need hands on controls.

  • @ChandanKumar-ri9lz
    @ChandanKumar-ri9lz Před 2 lety

    I am going to make my project on based on magnus effect. Your video's are really helpful ❤️⚓
    Which will be displayed in NAUGHTICA maritime event.

  • @minduton
    @minduton Před 10 měsíci

    Can it works in totally passive mode, like a sail?
    Is not a sail more effective, in the wind-direction?
    Is not more effective the using of any type of vertical wind turbine and classical propeller?

  • @MonkeyVideoWonders
    @MonkeyVideoWonders Před 3 lety +6

    Betting the "5 to 20% fuel savings" is much closer to the 5% than it is to the 20%.

    • @Bj-en1qx
      @Bj-en1qx Před 2 lety +2

      For the average container ship 5% feuled savings is around 80-90,000 gallons of fuel, likely around a qtr million dollar........even if it were like 1.5-2% fuel savings it would still be economically a no brainer....

  • @TheNinadDeshmukh
    @TheNinadDeshmukh Před 3 lety +2

    Sea Zhoushan launched with 4 Rotor Sails today.. 👍

  • @Grandeur06
    @Grandeur06 Před 3 měsíci

    Less fuel but add more work work to the crew

  • @Bj-en1qx
    @Bj-en1qx Před 2 lety +2

    So positioned vertically it would help contribute to thrust laterally. If payed down horizontal would it provide lift on the boat and work like reducing weight/displacement?

    • @marineinsight
      @marineinsight  Před 2 lety

      No

    • @joaomrtins
      @joaomrtins Před 2 lety +1

      There are toys that fly using Magnus effect cylinders, but it's not doable for a boat.

    • @Bj-en1qx
      @Bj-en1qx Před 2 lety +1

      @@joaomrtins yah I've seen pics of drones that use these like wierd looking slotted barrels instead of the standard quad prop.

    • @aurigo_tech
      @aurigo_tech Před rokem

      Yes. But as ships are very heavy for that sort of effect hydrofoils are the better solution. However, magnus rotors could be used on airplanes. But there other challenges exist (like lift breaking down and the airplane going down, if the rotor stops rotating).

  • @elsoroconmontana3772
    @elsoroconmontana3772 Před 3 lety +1

    How cost tramspoting un light truck at el salvafor from vancouver BC canada

  • @Jethz
    @Jethz Před 10 měsíci

    How do these things hold up in rough seas?

  • @nil981
    @nil981 Před rokem

    The flettner rotor, while definitely a good design for wind generated electricity would be grossly inefficient and counter productive vs traditional sails and rigging.

    • @vxcomanche
      @vxcomanche Před rokem

      It’s not for wind-generated electricity. The ship’s engines turn it and the wind hitting the spinning rotor creates the Magnus effect.

  • @747ryj
    @747ryj Před 3 lety +1

    How does rotor spins, due to machine or wind?

  • @user-um9sl1kj6u
    @user-um9sl1kj6u Před 11 měsíci

    Do you think this will ever be put onto container ships, to increase the efficiency?
    Could it also help stabilize the container ship in Highwinds?

    • @Idunnoanymo
      @Idunnoanymo Před 10 měsíci

      At the time the rotors are installed on vessels which carry cargo below the deck - the wind direction and speeds above the deck are not affected by the cargo. The containers would affect the wind and make the rotors less efficient overall

  • @Cogard
    @Cogard Před 2 lety +1

    I am sure this has been done?!! Who has done an analysis of how much more fuel used to create the extra electricity that spins the rotor? And how much does that impinge on the fuel "savings" the rotors create?

    • @aurigo_tech
      @aurigo_tech Před rokem

      The energy required to rotate the rotors is comparatively small. On the Buckau, Anton Flettner's original rotorship, the motors for the rotors were on the order of a few kW. Meanwhile the propulsion the rotors added to the ship equaled many hundred kW.

  • @mrRufffnTumble
    @mrRufffnTumble Před 3 lety +1

    How long before a crewman has the genius idea to ride it and is flung across the harbor?

  • @patrick_kyker
    @patrick_kyker Před 2 lety

    I wonder how this would work mounted upsidedown under water? If you had a strong cross current? Water has more force than air.

    • @tim-jim760
      @tim-jim760 Před 2 lety +2

      oh interesting, I think that would create too much drag though, and the water current might be moving the wrong way compared to the air.

  • @gdoodle
    @gdoodle Před rokem +1

    Does the fuel needed to run the rotors exceed the fuel savings? And the fuel needed to carry the weight of the rotor?

    • @marineinsight
      @marineinsight  Před rokem

      It reduces the fuel consumption by 2~5%

    • @aurigo_tech
      @aurigo_tech Před rokem +1

      The power required to spin the rotors in minimal (tens of kW on large ships like in the video), but the propulsion they add is on the order of hundreds of kW. Also their weight is negligible, compared to the mass of the whole ship.

  • @BallBusta
    @BallBusta Před 13 dny

    And when there's no air flow. Guess what... they're dead weight and the drag caused by these monsters negates any benefit they had.

  • @747ryj
    @747ryj Před 3 lety

    Best example cricket ball spinning.

  • @franky1650
    @franky1650 Před rokem +1

    When you said rotor sail is named after that German guy, my dumb-arse thought that he's surname was 'Rotor'

  • @ralphralpherson9441
    @ralphralpherson9441 Před 3 lety

    Cool... but how does it go under a bridge?

  • @ultrajd
    @ultrajd Před rokem

    Wouldn’t the difference in air pressure pull the ship to one side?

    • @Samahiel
      @Samahiel Před 11 měsíci

      That's what a keel is for.

    • @ultrajd
      @ultrajd Před 11 měsíci

      @@Samahiel so it has a huge centerboard or skeg?

  • @breogan8121
    @breogan8121 Před 3 lety +2

    No one thinks un the iconvenient if been un a heavy storm with a Big column aboard?

    • @marineinsight
      @marineinsight  Před 3 lety

      They have been implemented on few sea going ships and none of such problem has been faced till date.

    • @breogan8121
      @breogan8121 Před 3 lety

      @@marineinsight i am fishermen and im study for skipper and common sense told me that high heavy weights makes the vessel unstable

    • @Cogard
      @Cogard Před rokem

      @@marineinsight and you got this "information" from where?

    • @themanformerlyknownascomme777
      @themanformerlyknownascomme777 Před 6 měsíci

      @@breogan8121 compared to the massive cargo vessels shown here these things have very little weight

  • @georgyjose7881
    @georgyjose7881 Před 3 lety +2

    Most ship owners
    ain't gonna implement this

  • @Benplayz64
    @Benplayz64 Před 2 lety +2

    So where are the Aircraft with Cylindrical wings ?

  • @dazzamorris2793
    @dazzamorris2793 Před měsícem

    Red writing on black to highlight it DOES NOT WORK

  • @johnsnow9224
    @johnsnow9224 Před 3 lety +1

    But why this is not popular n not used in all ships?

    • @rockydubois1052
      @rockydubois1052 Před 3 lety +3

      Because they cost more than they save in fuel.

    • @johnsnow9224
      @johnsnow9224 Před 3 lety +1

      @@rockydubois1052 oh😀

    • @aurigo_tech
      @aurigo_tech Před rokem +1

      It is becoming more and more popular. In the last century fuel was just too cheap.

  • @rockydubois1052
    @rockydubois1052 Před 3 lety +1

    Do they actually have any measurable real world effect or is this just a ploy to seem hip and environmental?

  • @CraigLandsberg-lk1ep
    @CraigLandsberg-lk1ep Před 7 měsíci

    Explained? Really? I haven't heard anyone talking yet, half way through

  • @matraz10
    @matraz10 Před rokem

    The music is absolutely obnoxious. Instead of written text popping up like closed captions. A narrator speaking it would've made a much better video. Even if you (whoever made the video) doesn't have the voice for it, there's plenty of programs out there now a days that will do all the speaking for you. Thumbs down on the video for that annoyance.

  • @maximme
    @maximme Před rokem

    yes, this is why we are seeing more and more leisure sail boats using the rotor sail.....HAHAHAA
    NOT EVEN a single pleasure sail boat.

  • @DonLuc23
    @DonLuc23 Před 2 lety +1

    Why the stupid music?

  • @otreblaosucnam8760
    @otreblaosucnam8760 Před 2 lety +1

    Fa schifo esteticamente

  • @VvicsieE78
    @VvicsieE78 Před 3 lety +1

    Whats up with the gay music?