There's a lot of additional context given in the game's lore entries that I wish were part of the main plot. This ending feels extremely weird without it. Most importantly that all of the bayos and people killed by Singularity were restored back in their respective universes. Only exceptions being every universe's Luka and one version of Bayonetta.
@@AntonioRedgrave The youtuber Johto Jonny explained quite well the ending on his "There's MORE to the ENDING Than You Thought!" video, based on what it was shown in the game, I came to the same conclusion even before youtubers began to analyze the ending. Btw, remember new york at the beginning of the game, the word was basically destroyed, including the people and enzo's family, by the end of the game you see everything being restored, and enzo talking to his wife over the phone confirms they came back to life aswell. Oh, and btw the original bayonetta is still alive and kicking, the only ones who really died were this Cereza and luka who were taken to inferno.
@@mane0808 And really, only Cereza died because Luka is still very much alive when he's pulled into Inferno. And for those wondering why Luka is so strong? He's now EVERY Luka that existed in all other alternate verses.
All the universes being restored is not in any way made clear in the obtainable lore, all that is made clear is that Bayonetta and Luka's "Truth" was stronger than Singularity's. And their "Truth" was a world where Viola can be safe and happy. Whether or not it involved restoring the pruned universes is not made clear, and if you think about it - would be hella' awkward. If you go with the universes being restored headcanon, I mean, imagine being Viola's mom, you got resurrected, but your husband is still gone and off in Inferno with another variant of you and the last time you saw your daughter, who's gone too, the Baddie who mangled you just set his eyes on her... well - at least she still has Enzo. And considering Cereza's and Luka's apparent nature as star crossed lovers, it would leave countless Bayo hung out to dry. Too bad about those who didn't meet yet in their respective universe, but those that did bond have some serious heartbreak coming. And that's freaking brutal. And If all universes erased by Singularity and victims his came back, then Viola should get back with Sigurd to send her back home instead of dicking around in the Primeverse, leaving her mother with a crippling depression, and I don't think either of these is the implication Kamiya wanted to make. We know from the lore that all the dead Bayonettas get fed into the Dark Eve gestalt that feeds of their negative emotions to manifest, so that's where the dead Bayos went after being banished by Singularity - and we killed that thing. Likewise, all the Luka from the pruned universes + Lukaon were fed into Prime Luka, making him a total powerhouse that can casually harness an energy of an entire collapsing universe to open a dimensional portal. What's more likely considering the lore actually have, is that the universes are still gone, one restored universe was formed in their place for Viola to be happy in, through Cereza and Luka's "Truth" overpowering Singularity phenomena alteration powers, and that the fused Luka and Cereza from these erased universes are chilling in Inferno. After completing the epilogue, you get another picture for her album, this one in a special frame - with Luka visiting Gates of Hell in the background. So they can't have it all that bad down there, if Luka can find time to visit every now and then.
Also hideki kamia did say that there is a chance for bayo 4. He literally said that 9 bayo games might not even be enough to finish the story but I'm not complaining XD
I personally think Bayonetta should ditch Gomorrah. That thing keeps trying to kill her or her friends every single opportunity it gets. Fuck that Demon! I'm pretty sure Madama Butterfly wouldn't have tried to her after she lost control.
Gahmorrah the greedy! Bunch of angles, a literal god , other demons, homonculi, Jeanne and 2 attempts on Bayo previously and still not satisfied. Quite the ill behaved demon pet
To give everyone more information on the finale, this is accurately what happened: When bayonetta was fighting singularity in space, he said that he can alter phenomenal, which means that bayonetta took advantage of it. As you can see, when singularity was glitching, bayo was changing his phenomenal. Even he points out that she outstrip (being faster than him) his ability to alter phenomenal (and cerezita says "you haven't been paying attention ")as all of the previous ach eves that died came back alive and their worlds. The reason why they had the blue looking aura around them is because they were fighting singularity from their worlds. So even after singularity knocks them down and when they fade away, they didn't die, they just went back to their original worlds. So if you can take that into account, jeanne came back alive as well since at the end when she finished fighting singularity she just went back to her world. This can be supported when you take into account what singularity says about his phenomenal affermations changing when bayo 1 and 2 come to help cerezita. And as to what happened to the other 2 bayos that fought along side to beat singularity with cerezita, they just went back to their own worlds as well. Hopefully this gives you guys more information on what happened :D Also, when you finish the game you can see a picture that viola placed on her desk, and if you look carefully she is wearing her luka scarf and in the background you can see a woman with black hair. Which implies this could be cerezita who came back alive :)
She can't be Cerezita. The whole "protagonist is not the same one we played all along, "Our" Bayo is alive" sounds like a cope adopted by the fandom, borne out of denial and ignoring a mountain of problematic information to the contrary. If anything it's the Bayo 1 that's Little Cereza. There are references to the protagonist Bayo being sealed - Singularity refers to her as "Woman out of time" and the Japanese dialogue flat out says she was plucked 500 hundred years into the future, and there's also explicit references to events of Bayo 1 and 2 happening for the protagonist - she has the doll from Bayo 1 as and Loki's cards as keepsakes, and Enzo refers to "One of her pets getting loose again" in the prologue. When you read the character bio for the two Bayonettas that appear in the penultimate phase of the final fight, they are both described as variants(keep in mind Brave Cereza isn't "original" she's a variant created by Balder/Loptr dicking around with time), with 2's being described as living an almost exact copy of of the protagonist's life, down to the smallest details, while Bayo 1 one is described as someone who through the course of her long life, lived through countless hardships and faced unfathomable trials, which would align with a Cereza that wasn't ever sealed and lived through two centuries of witch hunts kicking and screaming, instead of sleeping it off at the bottom of the lake. Looking at the above information, it's more likely it's the grown up Baby Bayo throwing that line back at her for fanservice and to shake her out of stupor.
@@TheKain202 i mean the bayo we played now must be the baby bayo from 1. Bc of the bayo 1 bayo saying "you didn't cry while i was gone did you?" I feel like this is proof enough 🤣🤣
I like to think Jeanne is back too and is the history teacher at Viola's school, since that was Jeane's day job in canon... next to being a magical girl super hero named Cutey J
About her death. Bayonetta did not lose control of Gomorah. Her Umbran Clock (basically the object that gives a witch her power and keeps her alive) broke. This means that she no longer can live and is condamned to spend eternity in Inferno. She is aware of her fate. That's why she says "I could imagine worse man to spend my last moments with. " to Luka.
Everything about this game is really amazing and yes I’m heartbroken our dear Cereza had to pass the torch like that. But you know what’s absolutely criminal? The fact that Egyptian Jeanne and Rosa weren’t included in the dance segment :((
this game actually does a good job explaining why bayo 1 and bayo 2 have different mannerisms and their powers and fighting styles dont match . they arent the same person. they experience similar events but are different versions.
Bingo. Due to how rigid and limited the Bayonetta universe framework was prior to 3, introducing this multiverse aspect to the World of Chaos vastly expands the potential settings they could use for the franchise. We've already been to inferno, Paradiso is apparently a realm of unthinking bots serving Jublieus without question, that leaves the World of Chaos (originaly called Purgatorio in B1).
@@nouveausomething So you are calling this one a retcon, them we are asuming the "goodie Balder" thing on Bayo 2 was not? why is that one valid and this one is not. Bayo 1- Non stop train until defeating god herself. Bayo 2- the most extra plot ever. Bayo 3- trying to conect 2 already insane plots, being its own thing + closing a trilogy and opening a new path to the franchise. They did pretty great imo.
@@Teybort Never said that the Balder thing wasn't a retcon. But in that case, they took a generic villain and actually improved him. Retroactively trying to disconnect the first two games that worked perfectly fine as sequels to one another due to the time loop adds nothing of value. (P.S. Bayo 3 was by far the worst written installment in the series imo. I hope PG get some help writing the next one.)
Re-posted to proper edisode because of spoilers. Thank you for your playthroughs, watched all your Bayonetta VODs. From pure viewer experience, Bayonetta 3 did become my favorite game in the Bayonetta series. Best graphics (despite being on Switch), spectacular set pieces, most visually pleasing combat - an abundant selection of cool weapons and summons, Demon Slave mechanic is much more interesting than Umbran Climax. Can't comment much on the gameplay side, though your thoughts seem on point. Better Viola's parry, customizable controls, more weapon/demon slots could really make gameplay better. There should be people in Platinum, who playtested Viola's parry and said "It's fine". Storywise, I have similar opinions. Jeanne definitely could have had a better send-off. I do think Bayo's death was fine. Getting slapped by Gommorah looked a bit silly, but I did like it as a throwback to Jeanne's death in 2. Bayo did take damage from the final boss multiple times. And she was already overextending herself while summoning both demons at the start of the final battle. So it wasn't a death out of nowhere. When her witch heart started cracking, it became very clear that it wasn't a showoff of power like Bayo 1/2 and she could really die in the end. I liked that all tension with Luka, which was present in 1 and 2, resulted in a complete storyline in this game. Bayo's reaction to Luka "dying" in the fortress and final moments are probably as emotional as Bayonetta's game could go. Nothing close to this in the first two games. Despite bad first impressions, I liked Viola as a character by the end of the game. I do agree they went on the comedy side too hard. Not enough cool moments to "pass the torch". Add gameplay issues on top of that and now her reception by players is abysmal. Realistically though, I don't see how they would market Bayonetta 4 with Viola as the main character. Bayonetta 4 physically would need some Bayonetta as an equal character, like Dante in DMC 5. I don't think the original Bayonetta being a "side" character would be enough. Overall, despite being the best Bayonetta's story, in my opinion, it feels that a good chunk of story content was cut, either due to hardware limitations or budget. I do feel that this ending was deliberately made vague. Kamiya probably had a "Let's make a final Bayo game, just in case" thought in his mind. I am looking forward to watching more post-game Bayo 3 content (and other games too).
Jeeezuz man! He REALLY en ended up loving the Bayonetta games for him to laugh/cry at the end! Good I also loved this series. Viola is a good supporting character but if the series continue they are gonna need to evolve her into something a little more confident a little less clumsy. And they need to show us Cereza and Luka as the rulers of infernó so that we feel better.
of course she'll evolve. but we rent gonna be staying with this version of bayo if the series gets more entries. they'll likely take another bayo and keep going forward. viola may turn up.
It's still difficult to believe Luka of all people would manage to be a king of Inferno lol. Though it'd be an interesting side game to have Bayo work her way from a tortured soul to a big shot in Hell
Since Nintendo released the Bayonetta 3 teaser in 2021, lot of ppl theorized that this new Bayo was the little child Cereza that we saw in the first game 'cuz their hairs are very similar, we remember that the little Cereza was crying all the time and Bayonetta hate crying babys, then she made Cereza promise that she will never cry anymore. In the final of Bayonetta 3, OG Bayo said "You didn't cry while I was gone, did you?". That wasn't just a single reference, it confirmed that this new Bayo is the little Cereza. And, we can say that the Bayo 1 and Bayo 2 are not the same, 'cuz if they were the same, we could only see one Bayo, and that's not the case. Sorry for my bad english btw.
See, there's actually a lot of sub-context to the ending that most, if not all, people will miss without a second playthrough, but Bayonetta *technically* isn't dead. There's a whole video of it somewhere (I think it's by a guy called JohtoJohnny?), but to briefly sum it up: The final battle didn't take place in this Bayonetta's universe, as when you load into the level, you get an 'Alternative Verse' show up, which only happens when you're playing in a universe that isn't related to this Bayonetta. When the prologue starts, or whenever you're on Thule, this doesn't happen, but whenever you're in a world where you meet another Bayonetta, it's always an Alternative Verse, like this Manhattan was. During the second main phase of the boss in space (I forget the name of it, Balance I think), Bayonetta does two key things: She first punches him with enough force to destabilise Singularity's control of the multiverse, releasing the multitude of Bayonettas previously killed, and then shoots his headpiece to hit him directly in the head. This causes the realities to effectively be reborn, as all the Bayonettas of those worlds are alive again, and Singularity is now effectively fighting all the Bayonettas across from their dimensions, as they themselves don't actually cross into our Bayonetta's universe. This is evident from the fact that Singularity, and then soon after Bayonetta herself, begin to glitch and phase out just like how we've seen with other Bayonettas as we've met them throughout the game; it's why Bayonetta 1 and Bayonetta 2 also appear, as their worlds were destroyed, but because Bayonetta Genesis (as she's called in the character select) caused Singularity to lose control of the multiverse, their worlds were restored. Throughout the course of the fight, Bayonetta Genesis is effectively undoing all of Singularity's work, restoring the worlds once destroyed by Singularity. And then, fast forward to the end of the fight, as Bayonetta is sucked into Inferno with Luka, there's a couple things to take note of: Bayonetta's Umbran Clock was never shown. It was shown to have been badly damaged, but we never see it completely destroyed; thanks to Bayonetta 2, we know that it's possible to restore an Umbra Witch by reuniting the Umbran Clock with its respective Witch. So, while it's location isn't known (Most likely Viola has it, or it was sucked into the black hole Singularity left after his death), her Umbran Clock isn't destroyed as far as we know. Secondly, Luka now posses every soul of every Arch-Adam from across the multiverse, meaning he also now has the powers of Lukaron who, in his universe, was King of the Fairy's (Hence Luka and Viola's transformations being almost identical to Lukaron). So, Luka is in Inferno with Bayonetta's soul and is likely protecting and preserving it, much like how Rodin preserved Jeanne's body in Bayonetta 2. So, while we don't know where Bayonetta Genesis' body is, we know that, thanks to Luka, her soul is safe and intact in Inferno. So, my guess is that, assuming Kamiya does decide to make a Bayonetta 4 (as he's already gone on record to say that Bayonetta's whole story could easily take up 9 games to finish in its entirety), it will follow Viola, as the 'new' Bayonetta, and follow a similar arch to finding Jeanne in Bayonetta 2, where Viola travels to Inferno, having to learn to become a stronger Umbra Witch, to take Bayonetta's Umbran Clock back down to Inferno to reunite and restore Bayonetta, and bring Luka back with them. Obviously, this is just speculation, and the video does a much better job than me explaining it, but the key thing to take from it all is that Bayonetta is technically still alive. Not by much, but she's not completely dead until her soul is devoured and her Umbran Clock shatters. Whether this gateways into another game, a spin-off, or they choose to leave it here is still up in the air though.
bummed I couldn’t make it to the stream live from that time :(( but always still fun to watch this vod and see your reactions 🫡🤩!! I love how everyone has super mixed reactions to this game/ending, but we’re entertained all the way nevertheless. I will have to start getting into DMC now and it’s lore too in that regard
I really needed this stream. Just found out my fav actor from power rangers passed away. God this feels like beyo's mom and her dad all over again 😭😭😭😭
36:50 my thoughts here: Wait the saber tooth demon? Bayonetta 1 didn’t have that, it wasn’t introduced until in Bayonetta 2, why would she summo…no way, it can’t be! (Seeing the blue glove snapping) OMG GOOD YES!!!
49:46 It seems that the Witch Watches that we've seen in the entire trilogy, activating witch time, being fought about, even being needed to save Jeanne, is an Integral Part to being an Umbran Witch, not just in the fashion of it, but literally in the contraction of demons and other powers such as their literal vitality. So... unfortunately this Cereza probably can't be revived due to her brooch being shattered Yeah, referencing some of the comments here where they say that the cerezas are returned to their own timelines, I actually thought that they died again. But upon looking some of the material after finishing the game in one day... (it took... 12 ish hours?), I learned that all of them returned to their own timelines. So Cerezita, for simplicity, our Protagonist of Bayonetta 3, is the only one that died. And maybe also Rosa 4? Idk.
Basically, anyone that was ended as a result of Singularity's erasure was restored when he bit the big one. Cereza, unfortunately, was killed when her pendant was stressed past the breaking point. However, Luka seems to have done something to her soul with his Fae magic. My guess is that we're going to see her down in Inferno, but the question is in what state. Some people become demons in Inferno, for example.
The watches are the hearts of the Umbra. If they get damaged, they die. And they can’t be brought back without a watch to deal their magic in. Which is why Bayoncan rip her heart out without issue, because her magic keeps her alive..
To be fair and it may or might not be a semi important distinction - but her Watch cracked heavily, but didn't outright shatter and explode into tiny pieces like all the others.
I don’t get why people are so upset about the ending, like sure the character you love is dead, but isn’t that good in a way? To end while it’s good instead of clinging to the past slowly spoiling over time. Bayonetta’s story is over, there’s not much you can do for her character, Bayo 1 the mystery, discovered her past and place in the world. Bayo 2 got closer with her parents and worked for her future, tomorrow was her’s. And now Bayo 3 got to live life, find love, defying destiny and meet the daughter she never got. all that, absolutely slaying and looking fabulous while doing it. She got the whole package, the only way forward for a franchise to survive without going stale is to get a new main character. It makes sense from a story and business perspective
The real issue is that people didn't like how it was handled. It didn't feel particularly true to bayonetta's personality for a lot of people and it also just felt... cheap. Me, I knew it was gonna happen and I was gonna brace myself for it. Then the scene happened and I wasn't impressed because, for some reason unbeknownst to me, it didn't feel too earned to me despite all the set up they were doing. I really can't quite put into words *how* it went wrong yet but it did.
There's also a lot of biphobic people bitching because they can't comprehend that Bayonetta could still be queer while having a relationship with a man. Life as a mortal is too short to waste being straight, and life as an immortal would be way too long not to be pan.
Character aasasination and an implication that Mary Sue is gonna take on the mantle of the series despite not even living up to be even half of what Bayonetta was. Then there's the fact that Jeanne dies in the dumbest way possible (again). And then the game tries to convince you that Bayo x Luka was a thing the whole time when in reality it was just Luka perving on Bayo and her teasing him. They dont even try to ship tease the 2 in the first 2 games. He just pops up, pervs on Bayo, fails something, leaves. Then they have this game where he does exactly that again and then have the 2 die together like its some sappy love story. Something that Bayonetta was never about and in some ways tackled the trope. They took a badass independent woman and turned her into a Disney Princess essentially.
*It just baffles me honestly why we can’t mix and match are weapons on our arms and legs like past games tho. Like who’s bright idea was it to change that when it’s one of Bayonetta’s main niches?….it’s like all they cared about in 3 is giving you something other than Panther Within to run around in now as you got new weapons. Now it’s “Look at me I can turn into a half train humanoid now choo choo”…the game still wild, fun and crazy but that disappointed me so much when I realized that 🤦🏾♂️. Hopefully the next game doesn’t forget bring that back cuz wth*
Never played Bayonetta but this end game was one of the sickest things I've ever seen! Had to be an amazing being an absolute fan and fanatic playing this.
So I get this is a year old and everything but on Gomorrah. You have to understand that Gomorrah is Bayonetta slave not friend. While some demons (Butterfly / Baal) might choose to work with her its always been implied Gomorrah fights her since Bayo 1. The umbran watch was Bayonetta contract and power, when it shattered she lost the power to control Gomorrah and so now free of her restraints it lashed out at the one who had bound it. Honestly it made sense to me and served as a way for her and Luka to have a touching end. It showed them both dragged down to inferno rather then wiped from existence by singularity. Though that blue flash could mean they escaped at the last second.
I think it'll be about Ghosts (ending mission for Viola at the end) as umbra, Fairy (Luka is not an angel nor a demon but not quite human either, Lukaon is the fairy king and Viola is the daughter of arch adam so seems adequate) as lumen and maybe something about the human mind for Chaos ?
@@lucalama4607 I tweeted Hideki and he said "stayed tuned for the next game" when I asked if we would be getting into the Lumen side of things in the next game, so guess we'll see either way.
Wait, how can we have anything about the Lumen Sages? Balder's bullshit in 1 basically ensured both clans obliterated each other. Nothing remains. Even worse, any Lumen sage would be getting powers from a side that's antagonistic to both demons (that Umbra witches use) AND Humans. This is basically automatic villain material unless they change things. This is why I think Platinum's likely choice of Fae magic is an inspired one.
@@RicochetForce Its under the assumption that the next games will be a direct sequel to the last. Seeing as how they threw in the whole Multiverse aspect it wouldn't be hard to have a storyline where Baldur and Rosa had a son raised as a Lumen instead of a daughter raised an Umbra. Though seeing as how Viola was brought in, again, wouldnt be hard for a new character to also come in that was a boy instead of a girl from another universe.
@@jaynoir8937 But, that's one character. Unless there's another multiversal threat, why would Bayonetta care about a Lumen sage when both the Umbra and the Lumen are utterly gone from her own world? Maybe the story can be about restoring the clans and the balance they maintained? They could easily spin it that unless they exist the World of Chaos will continually generate Singularity-level threats that threaten the Trinity of worlds.
It took me... a while to process their "death" I had the same exact reaction, but as people are discovering more within the game and stuff I think we all came to the wrong conclusion at the heat of the moment, I don't think they are dead at all. But yeah if PlatinumGames gets a chance to make Bayonetta 4 with Nintendos green light in the future we will get a good story contrary to what people believe it might be though as Kamiya said... if people didn't like B3 for different reason he said to ditch the series so certain people have been warned, though if sadly the game doesn't come to fruition which I pray it DOES, however long it takes. We can take this as a sort of a happy ending for the franchise character herself... After all she went with Luka... The person she loved.
1:11:05 hint that her parents are likely still alive, either in Inferno or in the human world because Cereza/Sigurd were fighting each other and altering the universe. I could see the sequel focusing more heavily on Inferno; Cereza really abused the demons in this game, the original contract was to kill angels, and she literally enslaved them using forbidden magic, there's definitely going to be a price to pay for that. There will also likely be more explanation of the newly introduced Twilight powers, lore aside I feel like it's a reference to Devil Trigger. The thing about time travel and now Multiverse theory is that anything goes.. which is becoming a trend in MCU and other media.
This has been the most rational take of the ending I've seen. Surprise surprise that a dude who actually learns how to play the game is the one that doesn't pull garbage out of his ass and make things up. My two cents on the Viola thing. Platinum put themselves in a lose/lose situation. People went into this game ready to hate Viola because of her design and A LOT of people didn't even bother giving her a chance before writing her off as a Mary Sue/Self-insert. If they gave Viola too much people would have complained she overshadowed Cereza but by not giving her ANYTHING she doesn't earn the title of Bayonetta. I know they'll probably fix this in later games and give her more powers but the fact that you ONLY get her Faerie abilities in a Button Mash DT equivalent is so lame. I hope Cereza isn't gone forever purely because I really like her but I'm not against her story ending here.
Depends on how much you care about how well the game was written. It was a bit rushed but still fun. But the story is definitely not the best imo. The ending was pretty darn solid… but the build up? Meh
in my opinion, Bayonetta 3 character maybe is the Cereza wich the first Bayonetta was taking care. since she altered the timeline, this new version born.
Well... when you have a singular target enemy... and you demon is literally anything else but it on empty space... the ability LOCK ON exists... you tapping the R analog, so your playable characters automatically runs towards that target as a main direction, for double than shoulder R button helps by not having to direct aim at the fast moving target as long as you're moving to "a" direction and double tapping, because you're locked, you will automatically tackle onto the locked on target. You gotha LockOn again if the target entirely disappear from the screen and reappears, like Dark Adamand others. Also you can jump on enemies by literally wall jumping into them to keep yourself in the air over extending combos or dodging maneuverability like avoiding floor that traps you or deal damage, just get a little creative every now and then... Have fun on the Witch Trials ! And remember that the Mictlantecuhtli's radar will be needed a few times but the laser are honestly now that good (after you're done with hil, switch a 3rd demon of choice, preferably Baal to stall a little for Poison Rain while letting Ball sin mid Witch Time and doing combos on the process on your own), have Phantasmaraneae to trap on webs certain big stallers and nuke himself off in the middle of Witch Time on key crowds or just eat healthbars overall, and Madama Butterfly for swift immediate damage and airbone uppercuts to stun everything around her, don't use stunning Kiss by it simply taking too much key time that can cost you your life specially with so limited health. Colour my World guns are perfect for small crowds, Alruna for quickly wide spread crowds to hook them 2 at a time to slam them on the floor and easily grab them from afar and preferably doing the 360 spin X button for multiple target damage, G-Pillar for large opponents that can't be grappled by the Alruna whips if you know how to do key fast moves with it constantly, Cruel Altea and Cassiopeia are good alternatives for Alruna but Alruna is the better more aggressive tackler. These are just recommendations, play however you want if you happen to have better combos or approaches, but the Witch Trials quickly get unforgiving... Have a Bewitching Time~
*Now that I really think about it. With Bayonetta “gone” and the lack of weapon mixing here Viola for all we know might just be a sword fighting type so the next game say she does get more weapons she’s not like her mom with it and doesn’t use weapons on her hands and feet so the hopes of even having the weapons mixing coming back might be gone for future games* 😔
This game made me cry and anger and happy and also the last part in the game with the kraken I left on heard and I already beat the game 3 times with different difficulty and I was just getting a good grade but I am going to leave it as bronze and you did better then me on collecting things in the game
If you cried with this game then stay away from Spiritfarer. You'll cry your eyeballs out. Or not. If you are fine with the idea of crying a river then go for it.
*Seriously idk where I’m at with this game. I like Viola and the mantle was sent off right she is a likable character but I don’t think Bayo should stay dead at all. This game was clearly just all demon love but the feature with them is really cool and potential combinations is sick….BUT THE LACK OF WEAPONS MIXING WITH ALL THESE NEW NEAT WEAPONS IS A HELL TO THE NO! Bayonetta having guns on her feet introduced us to being able to utilize all her weapons on every limb and has been like for the past 2 games, not having here for such a climatic game is crazy to me and it could’ve been so fun here. I say 7-8, I’m a combat guy and that really hurt me not seeing it in this game*
Hey, dude! Do you intend to play Astral Chain someday? Bayo 3 took some mechanics from it. You going to love this game a lot. The combat is the pure juice from Platinum. The OST is 10/10! Kamiya and Takahisa Taura from Nier Automata were the leaders of this project.
I don't think Luka an Bayo died, when someone gets dragged to hell in the series it looks different. I think magical fairy Luka somehow restored her which made her soul turn normal and they turned the blueish color whenever Strider and Lukaon move around dimesions or worlds or whatever
I don't like Viola purely because I'm SO BAD at blocking, but I'm actually kind of glad that she inherited the title when and how she did not just because of the fact that she's got a massive weight to carry, but because unlike every Umbran Witch before her, she has no Umbran Watch that is outside of her body, which makes me feel like they're going to have to lean very hard on the fact that she has some sort of Fae ancestry in order for her to develop the new role as the protector of the world.
I'm sorry but no amount of Werewolf Glow up Powers will ever convince me a single Bayonetta fell for Luka and had a kid with him. Luka has always been the Punch line of guys thinking they can get a women out of their league and to see this romance leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Not to mention there is no build up to it, NOTHING in this game feels built up to because it's a multiverse plot. Just because this bayonetta is the Cereza from the first game doesn't mean we know her journey. And i know what people will say "YOU dON't PLAy ThiS GaME fOr tHe STOry!" YES YOU DO! Story is still integral to give weight to the story and make you feel invested! For exmaple, WHO THE FUCK IS SIGURD/SINGULARITY??? Why should i care that he's the villain? Despite this game shouting the multiverses are dying I NEVER felt invested in this story or the characters like the last two games. Love Viola as a characters, her voice actress is great, but i hate that she inherits her moms name to carry on the series. She should have been called VIOLETTA! It would have been so much cooler and symbolic to her journey in making HER OWN SERIES then carrying on Bayoinettas name.
While I agree with the weapon wheel, to select weapons at realtime (like what they did on Megaman11) and its a very good idea, the issue I can see and the reason it may not have been implemented is the Switch's own limitation. Imagine loading all that amount of combo animation at the same time for minimum of 9 weapons, i believe that Switch can't handle that memory load. The Switch can probably contain only 2 weapons load of animation data, that's why you can only use 2 weapon at a time.
It was confirmed that this is Grown-up Cereza and not Bayo 1 and 2. I think they will make a 4th Bayonetta because Hideki Kamiya heard the ending made fans unhappy.
No. It wasn't confirmed. They one we play in all three games is the same. The two which appear at the end are just alternate versions of her. It's even described in their bio.
@@roslla9951 My mistake in saying confirmed. It is implied. As it only says that in Bayo 2's bio and not Bayo 1's. Also the fact that Bayo 1 called Cereza Little One.
Not our Bayonetta. There's far too much evidence telling us that she isn't, just one that's very similar to the one from Bayonetta 1 and the one from Bayonetta 2.
Literally confirmed, the archives specify that bayo 3 left vigrid on her own and that she and Jeanne survived the withc hunts... Things bayo 1 and 2 didn't do.
I have Astral Chain on my Christmas list this year but I'm sure I'll get to both of them (as well as playing / replaying the rest of Platinum Games' catalogue) once I finish some other projects
You covered most of my points here, I just have one personal nitpick. If they want Bayonetta and Luka together I would need more than 5 mins of interactions on screen thank you very much.
Not really.. Bayonetta is 7ft tall. Rodin is canon about 8-9ft, his demon form is 12ft, and Madama Butterfly is 49ft. I did the math. Bayo is about the same height as Butterfly’s head, and diving 49 from 7, you get an exact 7 without decimal or carry-over.. And given how Devil Rodin is almost twice the height as Bayonetta, it gives her true height.. Also, Viola is canon 5’10” in real height.. and she’s tiny compared to Bayonetta and Jeanne. If Bayonetta was 5’9”, then Viola would be 3ft tall
@@sirensong237 loud and wrong. Due to the artstyle… Bayo and Madama’s heads are smaller than normal. If Bayonetta is really 7ft… all of the major side characters and NPCs are giants. The best reference to her height is looking that the dark eve’s bio in the game logs… as it estimated her height to be roughly 5’11”…. And she isn’t really all that much taller and she is wearing heels.
@@ryanjohnson781 how am I “loud and wrong”. I’m literally stating facts from the game itself.. Bayonetta was literally face to face with Viola and Viola was barely shoulder height.. and she’s officially nearly 6ft . So yes.. actual proof shows Bayonetta is almost 7ft tall.. Either way, the measuring system for the game is hit or miss.
@@sirensong237 yes, the game is hit or miss, I agree. However, Bayonetta is NOT 7 ft. When we see Bayonetta and Viola side by side in chapter 4, The top of violas head is just above Bayonetta’s neck line…. And Bayonetta is wearing heels. According to the book, Viola is 1.8m (same as dark eve) which equates to roughly 5.9 ft height. Dark eve is basically Bayo… but even if they weren’t the same height, Viola is only 4-6 inches shorter (estimate from Bayonetta… mind you… she is wearing heels). Bayonetta looks to be around 5.11 at most. Luka is also 1.9m (6.2 ft) according to the lore…. And he is definitely taller than Bayonetta.
Hadn't Hellena Taylor messed up with Platinum Games, we woudda have her voice over the three Bayos and this woudda been a greater precious moment than it was.
What's funny is that they offered her that $5000 to cameo for those Bayonettas at the end of the game and she declined. Then she went on that whole defamation spree 😂
@@TheKain202 for the story to not be kingdom hearts 4 the multiverse of madness. For the gameplay to be challenging and hard, for the characters to be likeable and fun to watch. For the action to not just drag you through set pieces or scripted running crap. Or scenes you cannot skip because it’s a climax attack! Or slow rp walk sections that you can’t skip past. For Viola’s sections to be fun and not infuriating, for it not to be a casual mess of ideas that don’t really go anywhere. Oh yay we get to see new Bayonetta’s for what like a few missions before oh wait they’re dead, no reason to care because we got to get the stupid chaos gears to defeat the ceo of Facebook. I miss father balder from the first game at last he looked like David Bowie. Sure the plots weren’t the last of us, but they weren’t kingdom hearts either… I’d take Loki’s annoying British voice and little Cereza’s whiny voice over Viola’s voice that sounds like the voice actor wasn’t given proper direction. The gameplay, well fighting is ok and the weapons are cool, but the enemy designs are just too dam big! Like this game feels so messy with its enemies compared to the first where most were human sized and could actually be read. Spamming moves is also pretty common in Bayonetta 3 just spam the same move over and over again with little punishment since magic is only tied to the demon slave mechanic. As a person who’s played a fair share of character action games I felt that Bayonetta 1 was one of the best, now seeing how the gameplay has devolved into look at this crazy Godzilla game I’m just checked out. I thought the demon slave mechanic would be fun but it’s kinda meh, like it feels like platinum just want to make scale bound and keep putting elements of scale bound in every new original ip of theirs. Astral Chain and Bayonetta 3 for the biggest examples. One last thing but I know this is gonna sound really nit picky, but I miss assigning weapons to your hands and feet and also I dislike how you have to unlock the skills for each weapon instead of just Bayonetta like the first 2 games.
There's a lot of additional context given in the game's lore entries that I wish were part of the main plot. This ending feels extremely weird without it.
Most importantly that all of the bayos and people killed by Singularity were restored back in their respective universes. Only exceptions being every universe's Luka and one version of Bayonetta.
I'm gonna have to go back and do the readings in that case. One thing I'm not a fan of is that they don't explain these things in the main plot
@@AntonioRedgrave Yeah, it's really weak story telling but the actual events themselves are fine. Kamiya needs much better editors.
@@AntonioRedgrave The youtuber Johto Jonny explained quite well the ending on his "There's MORE to the ENDING Than You Thought!" video, based on what it was shown in the game, I came to the same conclusion even before youtubers began to analyze the ending.
Btw, remember new york at the beginning of the game, the word was basically destroyed, including the people and enzo's family, by the end of the game you see everything being restored, and enzo talking to his wife over the phone confirms they came back to life aswell.
Oh, and btw the original bayonetta is still alive and kicking, the only ones who really died were this Cereza and luka who were taken to inferno.
@@mane0808 And really, only Cereza died because Luka is still very much alive when he's pulled into Inferno. And for those wondering why Luka is so strong? He's now EVERY Luka that existed in all other alternate verses.
All the universes being restored is not in any way made clear in the obtainable lore, all that is made clear is that Bayonetta and Luka's "Truth" was stronger than Singularity's. And their "Truth" was a world where Viola can be safe and happy. Whether or not it involved restoring the pruned universes is not made clear, and if you think about it - would be hella' awkward.
If you go with the universes being restored headcanon, I mean, imagine being Viola's mom, you got resurrected, but your husband is still gone and off in Inferno with another variant of you and the last time you saw your daughter, who's gone too, the Baddie who mangled you just set his eyes on her... well - at least she still has Enzo. And considering Cereza's and Luka's apparent nature as star crossed lovers, it would leave countless Bayo hung out to dry. Too bad about those who didn't meet yet in their respective universe, but those that did bond have some serious heartbreak coming. And that's freaking brutal.
And If all universes erased by Singularity and victims his came back, then Viola should get back with Sigurd to send her back home instead of dicking around in the Primeverse, leaving her mother with a crippling depression, and I don't think either of these is the implication Kamiya wanted to make.
We know from the lore that all the dead Bayonettas get fed into the Dark Eve gestalt that feeds of their negative emotions to manifest, so that's where the dead Bayos went after being banished by Singularity - and we killed that thing.
Likewise, all the Luka from the pruned universes + Lukaon were fed into Prime Luka, making him a total powerhouse that can casually harness an energy of an entire collapsing universe to open a dimensional portal.
What's more likely considering the lore actually have, is that the universes are still gone, one restored universe was formed in their place for Viola to be happy in, through Cereza and Luka's "Truth" overpowering Singularity phenomena alteration powers, and that the fused Luka and Cereza from these erased universes are chilling in Inferno. After completing the epilogue, you get another picture for her album, this one in a special frame - with Luka visiting Gates of Hell in the background. So they can't have it all that bad down there, if Luka can find time to visit every now and then.
Seeing you cry the same way I did made me cry all over again, kudos
@@MiyuMotou I’m crying too!
Also hideki kamia did say that there is a chance for bayo 4. He literally said that 9 bayo games might not even be enough to finish the story but I'm not complaining XD
Bayo 3 is a big financial success, so Id say Bayo 4 is practically guaranteed.
@@RealMartie I want to see more of Bayonetta and luka together and their story fleshed out
Dang I thought it would end at at least 5 😭
@@jnate6095 as long as there's money to be made, franchises will continue.
But he quite platinum 😢
I personally think Bayonetta should ditch Gomorrah. That thing keeps trying to kill her or her friends every single opportunity it gets. Fuck that Demon! I'm pretty sure Madama Butterfly wouldn't have tried to her after she lost control.
I mean, Gomorrah's super cool tho, Worth the risk of death
48:40 Bayonetta can you just, not summon Gomorrah next time? Dude's been betraying you for 2 games straight. Like just summon literally anyone else.
True.. he’s the most infamous, because he almost always turns against his casters..
EXACTLY, put that bloody elephant to sleep already and keep Labolas, such a good boy.
Gahmorrah the greedy! Bunch of angles, a literal god , other demons, homonculi, Jeanne and 2 attempts on Bayo previously and still not satisfied. Quite the ill behaved demon pet
Or maybe even madama butterfly with her magical beam thing, she's contracted to bayonetta so she won't betray her
To give everyone more information on the finale, this is accurately what happened:
When bayonetta was fighting singularity in space, he said that he can alter phenomenal, which means that bayonetta took advantage of it. As you can see, when singularity was glitching, bayo was changing his phenomenal. Even he points out that she outstrip (being faster than him) his ability to alter phenomenal (and cerezita says "you haven't been paying attention ")as all of the previous ach eves that died came back alive and their worlds. The reason why they had the blue looking aura around them is because they were fighting singularity from their worlds. So even after singularity knocks them down and when they fade away, they didn't die, they just went back to their original worlds. So if you can take that into account, jeanne came back alive as well since at the end when she finished fighting singularity she just went back to her world. This can be supported when you take into account what singularity says about his phenomenal affermations changing when bayo 1 and 2 come to help cerezita. And as to what happened to the other 2 bayos that fought along side to beat singularity with cerezita, they just went back to their own worlds as well.
Hopefully this gives you guys more information on what happened :D
Also, when you finish the game you can see a picture that viola placed on her desk, and if you look carefully she is wearing her luka scarf and in the background you can see a woman with black hair. Which implies this could be cerezita who came back alive :)
I know all of this is true (and thank god it is) but the game should have really explained it all better
She can't be Cerezita. The whole "protagonist is not the same one we played all along, "Our" Bayo is alive" sounds like a cope adopted by the fandom, borne out of denial and ignoring a mountain of problematic information to the contrary. If anything it's the Bayo 1 that's Little Cereza.
There are references to the protagonist Bayo being sealed - Singularity refers to her as "Woman out of time" and the Japanese dialogue flat out says she was plucked 500 hundred years into the future, and there's also explicit references to events of Bayo 1 and 2 happening for the protagonist - she has the doll from Bayo 1 as and Loki's cards as keepsakes, and Enzo refers to "One of her pets getting loose again" in the prologue.
When you read the character bio for the two Bayonettas that appear in the penultimate phase of the final fight, they are both described as variants(keep in mind Brave Cereza isn't "original" she's a variant created by Balder/Loptr dicking around with time), with 2's being described as living an almost exact copy of of the protagonist's life, down to the smallest details, while Bayo 1 one is described as someone who through the course of her long life, lived through countless hardships and faced unfathomable trials, which would align with a Cereza that wasn't ever sealed and lived through two centuries of witch hunts kicking and screaming, instead of sleeping it off at the bottom of the lake.
Looking at the above information, it's more likely it's the grown up Baby Bayo throwing that line back at her for fanservice and to shake her out of stupor.
@@americanasian3156 true but I'm grateful this was explained in some way Xd
@@TheKain202 i mean the bayo we played now must be the baby bayo from 1. Bc of the bayo 1 bayo saying "you didn't cry while i was gone did you?" I feel like this is proof enough 🤣🤣
Exactly, you can see singularity himself and Cereza glitching at some point.
All of Bayonetta not die. (Exept Cereza from B3) They just return to they worlds. All worlds return to it current state.
I like to think Jeanne is back too and is the history teacher at Viola's school, since that was Jeane's day job in canon... next to being a magical girl super hero named Cutey J
Wait where did u see this?
About her death. Bayonetta did not lose control of Gomorah. Her Umbran Clock (basically the object that gives a witch her power and keeps her alive) broke. This means that she no longer can live and is condamned to spend eternity in Inferno.
She is aware of her fate. That's why she says "I could imagine worse man to spend my last moments with. " to Luka.
Everything about this game is really amazing and yes I’m heartbroken our dear Cereza had to pass the torch like that. But you know what’s absolutely criminal? The fact that Egyptian Jeanne and Rosa weren’t included in the dance segment :((
this game actually does a good job explaining why bayo 1 and bayo 2 have different mannerisms and their powers and fighting styles dont match . they arent the same person. they experience similar events but are different versions.
Bingo. Due to how rigid and limited the Bayonetta universe framework was prior to 3, introducing this multiverse aspect to the World of Chaos vastly expands the potential settings they could use for the franchise. We've already been to inferno, Paradiso is apparently a realm of unthinking bots serving Jublieus without question, that leaves the World of Chaos (originaly called Purgatorio in B1).
meh... separating the two is just a pointless retcon.
Just a lame retcon
@@nouveausomething So you are calling this one a retcon, them we are asuming the "goodie Balder" thing on Bayo 2 was not? why is that one valid and this one is not.
Bayo 1- Non stop train until defeating god herself.
Bayo 2- the most extra plot ever.
Bayo 3- trying to conect 2 already insane plots, being its own thing + closing a trilogy and opening a new path to the franchise.
They did pretty great imo.
@@Teybort Never said that the Balder thing wasn't a retcon. But in that case, they took a generic villain and actually improved him. Retroactively trying to disconnect the first two games that worked perfectly fine as sequels to one another due to the time loop adds nothing of value. (P.S. Bayo 3 was by far the worst written installment in the series imo. I hope PG get some help writing the next one.)
"This is just a natural evolution of my rugged good looks." So all handsome men become werewolf fairies eventually?
So if I can’t become a badass werewolf fairies that’s mean I’m not handsome😢
Re-posted to proper edisode because of spoilers.
Thank you for your playthroughs, watched all your Bayonetta VODs.
From pure viewer experience, Bayonetta 3 did become my favorite game in the Bayonetta series.
Best graphics (despite being on Switch), spectacular set pieces,
most visually pleasing combat - an abundant selection of cool weapons and summons,
Demon Slave mechanic is much more interesting than Umbran Climax.
Can't comment much on the gameplay side, though your thoughts seem on point.
Better Viola's parry, customizable controls, more weapon/demon slots
could really make gameplay better.
There should be people in Platinum, who playtested Viola's parry and said "It's fine".
Storywise, I have similar opinions. Jeanne definitely could have had a better send-off.
I do think Bayo's death was fine. Getting slapped by Gommorah looked a bit silly,
but I did like it as a throwback to Jeanne's death in 2.
Bayo did take damage from the final boss multiple times. And she was already overextending herself
while summoning both demons at the start of the final battle. So it wasn't a death out of nowhere.
When her witch heart started cracking, it became very clear that it wasn't a showoff of power like Bayo 1/2
and she could really die in the end.
I liked that all tension with Luka, which was present in 1 and 2, resulted in a complete storyline in this game.
Bayo's reaction to Luka "dying" in the fortress and final moments are probably as emotional as Bayonetta's game could go.
Nothing close to this in the first two games.
Despite bad first impressions, I liked Viola as a character by the end of the game.
I do agree they went on the comedy side too hard. Not enough cool moments to "pass the torch".
Add gameplay issues on top of that and now her reception by players is abysmal.
Realistically though, I don't see how they would market Bayonetta 4 with Viola as the main character.
Bayonetta 4 physically would need some Bayonetta as an equal character, like Dante in DMC 5.
I don't think the original Bayonetta being a "side" character would be enough.
Overall, despite being the best Bayonetta's story, in my opinion,
it feels that a good chunk of story content was cut, either due to hardware limitations or budget.
I do feel that this ending was deliberately made vague.
Kamiya probably had a "Let's make a final Bayo game, just in case" thought in his mind.
I am looking forward to watching more post-game Bayo 3 content (and other games too).
Jeeezuz man!
He REALLY en ended up loving the Bayonetta games for him to laugh/cry at the end!
Good
I also loved this series.
Viola is a good supporting character but if the series continue they are gonna need to evolve her into something a little more confident a little less clumsy.
And they need to show us Cereza and Luka as the rulers of infernó so that we feel better.
of course she'll evolve. but we rent gonna be staying with this version of bayo if the series gets more entries. they'll likely take another bayo and keep going forward. viola may turn up.
It's still difficult to believe Luka of all people would manage to be a king of Inferno lol. Though it'd be an interesting side game to have Bayo work her way from a tortured soul to a big shot in Hell
Since Nintendo released the Bayonetta 3 teaser in 2021, lot of ppl theorized that this new Bayo was the little child Cereza that we saw in the first game 'cuz their hairs are very similar, we remember that the little Cereza was crying all the time and Bayonetta hate crying babys, then she made Cereza promise that she will never cry anymore.
In the final of Bayonetta 3, OG Bayo said "You didn't cry while I was gone, did you?". That wasn't just a single reference, it confirmed that this new Bayo is the little Cereza.
And, we can say that the Bayo 1 and Bayo 2 are not the same, 'cuz if they were the same, we could only see one Bayo, and that's not the case.
Sorry for my bad english btw.
So that means Luka is in a relationship with the child he was babysitting 😬
@@gemani_gem No exactly, B1 Luka took care of brave Cereza, it's a multiverse, so it's not the same Luka who took care of her.
So is legal, I guess.😬
See, there's actually a lot of sub-context to the ending that most, if not all, people will miss without a second playthrough, but Bayonetta *technically* isn't dead. There's a whole video of it somewhere (I think it's by a guy called JohtoJohnny?), but to briefly sum it up:
The final battle didn't take place in this Bayonetta's universe, as when you load into the level, you get an 'Alternative Verse' show up, which only happens when you're playing in a universe that isn't related to this Bayonetta. When the prologue starts, or whenever you're on Thule, this doesn't happen, but whenever you're in a world where you meet another Bayonetta, it's always an Alternative Verse, like this Manhattan was. During the second main phase of the boss in space (I forget the name of it, Balance I think), Bayonetta does two key things: She first punches him with enough force to destabilise Singularity's control of the multiverse, releasing the multitude of Bayonettas previously killed, and then shoots his headpiece to hit him directly in the head. This causes the realities to effectively be reborn, as all the Bayonettas of those worlds are alive again, and Singularity is now effectively fighting all the Bayonettas across from their dimensions, as they themselves don't actually cross into our Bayonetta's universe. This is evident from the fact that Singularity, and then soon after Bayonetta herself, begin to glitch and phase out just like how we've seen with other Bayonettas as we've met them throughout the game; it's why Bayonetta 1 and Bayonetta 2 also appear, as their worlds were destroyed, but because Bayonetta Genesis (as she's called in the character select) caused Singularity to lose control of the multiverse, their worlds were restored. Throughout the course of the fight, Bayonetta Genesis is effectively undoing all of Singularity's work, restoring the worlds once destroyed by Singularity.
And then, fast forward to the end of the fight, as Bayonetta is sucked into Inferno with Luka, there's a couple things to take note of: Bayonetta's Umbran Clock was never shown. It was shown to have been badly damaged, but we never see it completely destroyed; thanks to Bayonetta 2, we know that it's possible to restore an Umbra Witch by reuniting the Umbran Clock with its respective Witch. So, while it's location isn't known (Most likely Viola has it, or it was sucked into the black hole Singularity left after his death), her Umbran Clock isn't destroyed as far as we know. Secondly, Luka now posses every soul of every Arch-Adam from across the multiverse, meaning he also now has the powers of Lukaron who, in his universe, was King of the Fairy's (Hence Luka and Viola's transformations being almost identical to Lukaron). So, Luka is in Inferno with Bayonetta's soul and is likely protecting and preserving it, much like how Rodin preserved Jeanne's body in Bayonetta 2. So, while we don't know where Bayonetta Genesis' body is, we know that, thanks to Luka, her soul is safe and intact in Inferno.
So, my guess is that, assuming Kamiya does decide to make a Bayonetta 4 (as he's already gone on record to say that Bayonetta's whole story could easily take up 9 games to finish in its entirety), it will follow Viola, as the 'new' Bayonetta, and follow a similar arch to finding Jeanne in Bayonetta 2, where Viola travels to Inferno, having to learn to become a stronger Umbra Witch, to take Bayonetta's Umbran Clock back down to Inferno to reunite and restore Bayonetta, and bring Luka back with them.
Obviously, this is just speculation, and the video does a much better job than me explaining it, but the key thing to take from it all is that Bayonetta is technically still alive. Not by much, but she's not completely dead until her soul is devoured and her Umbran Clock shatters. Whether this gateways into another game, a spin-off, or they choose to leave it here is still up in the air though.
bummed I couldn’t make it to the stream live from that time :(( but always still fun to watch this vod and see your reactions 🫡🤩!! I love how everyone has super mixed reactions to this game/ending, but we’re entertained all the way nevertheless. I will have to start getting into DMC now and it’s lore too in that regard
I really needed this stream. Just found out my fav actor from power rangers passed away. God this feels like beyo's mom and her dad all over again 😭😭😭😭
the scarf is luka's oldscarf
36:50 my thoughts here:
Wait the saber tooth demon? Bayonetta 1 didn’t have that, it wasn’t introduced until in Bayonetta 2, why would she summo…no way, it can’t be!
(Seeing the blue glove snapping) OMG GOOD YES!!!
"Is there an award for a shitty depressing ending ?"
🤣🤣🤣💀
49:46 It seems that the Witch Watches that we've seen in the entire trilogy, activating witch time, being fought about, even being needed to save Jeanne, is an Integral Part to being an Umbran Witch, not just in the fashion of it, but literally in the contraction of demons and other powers such as their literal vitality. So... unfortunately this Cereza probably can't be revived due to her brooch being shattered
Yeah, referencing some of the comments here where they say that the cerezas are returned to their own timelines, I actually thought that they died again. But upon looking some of the material after finishing the game in one day... (it took... 12 ish hours?), I learned that all of them returned to their own timelines. So Cerezita, for simplicity, our Protagonist of Bayonetta 3, is the only one that died. And maybe also Rosa 4? Idk.
Basically, anyone that was ended as a result of Singularity's erasure was restored when he bit the big one. Cereza, unfortunately, was killed when her pendant was stressed past the breaking point. However, Luka seems to have done something to her soul with his Fae magic. My guess is that we're going to see her down in Inferno, but the question is in what state. Some people become demons in Inferno, for example.
The watches are the hearts of the Umbra. If they get damaged, they die. And they can’t be brought back without a watch to deal their magic in. Which is why Bayoncan rip her heart out without issue, because her magic keeps her alive..
To be fair and it may or might not be a semi important distinction - but her Watch cracked heavily, but didn't outright shatter and explode into tiny pieces like all the others.
I don’t get why people are so upset about the ending, like sure the character you love is dead, but isn’t that good in a way? To end while it’s good instead of clinging to the past slowly spoiling over time. Bayonetta’s story is over, there’s not much you can do for her character, Bayo 1 the mystery, discovered her past and place in the world. Bayo 2 got closer with her parents and worked for her future, tomorrow was her’s. And now Bayo 3 got to live life, find love, defying destiny and meet the daughter she never got. all that, absolutely slaying and looking fabulous while doing it. She got the whole package, the only way forward for a franchise to survive without going stale is to get a new main character. It makes sense from a story and business perspective
My thoughts exactly
Thank you
While her death could of been better this is my thoughts to the T
The real issue is that people didn't like how it was handled. It didn't feel particularly true to bayonetta's personality for a lot of people and it also just felt... cheap. Me, I knew it was gonna happen and I was gonna brace myself for it. Then the scene happened and I wasn't impressed because, for some reason unbeknownst to me, it didn't feel too earned to me despite all the set up they were doing. I really can't quite put into words *how* it went wrong yet but it did.
There's also a lot of biphobic people bitching because they can't comprehend that Bayonetta could still be queer while having a relationship with a man.
Life as a mortal is too short to waste being straight, and life as an immortal would be way too long not to be pan.
Character aasasination and an implication that Mary Sue is gonna take on the mantle of the series despite not even living up to be even half of what Bayonetta was. Then there's the fact that Jeanne dies in the dumbest way possible (again). And then the game tries to convince you that Bayo x Luka was a thing the whole time when in reality it was just Luka perving on Bayo and her teasing him. They dont even try to ship tease the 2 in the first 2 games. He just pops up, pervs on Bayo, fails something, leaves. Then they have this game where he does exactly that again and then have the 2 die together like its some sappy love story. Something that Bayonetta was never about and in some ways tackled the trope. They took a badass independent woman and turned her into a Disney Princess essentially.
Same reaction mate. Right there with ya
*It just baffles me honestly why we can’t mix and match are weapons on our arms and legs like past games tho. Like who’s bright idea was it to change that when it’s one of Bayonetta’s main niches?….it’s like all they cared about in 3 is giving you something other than Panther Within to run around in now as you got new weapons. Now it’s “Look at me I can turn into a half train humanoid now choo choo”…the game still wild, fun and crazy but that disappointed me so much when I realized that 🤦🏾♂️. Hopefully the next game doesn’t forget bring that back cuz wth*
Never played Bayonetta but this end game was one of the sickest things I've ever seen! Had to be an amazing being an absolute fan and fanatic playing this.
what a journey.
So I get this is a year old and everything but on Gomorrah. You have to understand that Gomorrah is Bayonetta slave not friend. While some demons (Butterfly / Baal) might choose to work with her its always been implied Gomorrah fights her since Bayo 1. The umbran watch was Bayonetta contract and power, when it shattered she lost the power to control Gomorrah and so now free of her restraints it lashed out at the one who had bound it. Honestly it made sense to me and served as a way for her and Luka to have a touching end. It showed them both dragged down to inferno rather then wiped from existence by singularity. Though that blue flash could mean they escaped at the last second.
“…Are you for real?” Were my words as well.
Bro you cried as much as me I cant lie I was dying
Oh you don't know how much I cried when i first saw this xD
Trust me man, it hit me too when I saw this as well 😢😢. I still can’t stop thinking about this.
Now that we had an Umbra trilogy I wonder if the next 3 will be Lumen leaning, be a major waste not to delve into that otherwise.
I think it'll be about Ghosts (ending mission for Viola at the end) as umbra, Fairy (Luka is not an angel nor a demon but not quite human either, Lukaon is the fairy king and Viola is the daughter of arch adam so seems adequate) as lumen and maybe something about the human mind for Chaos ?
@@lucalama4607 I tweeted Hideki and he said "stayed tuned for the next game" when I asked if we would be getting into the Lumen side of things in the next game, so guess we'll see either way.
Wait, how can we have anything about the Lumen Sages? Balder's bullshit in 1 basically ensured both clans obliterated each other. Nothing remains. Even worse, any Lumen sage would be getting powers from a side that's antagonistic to both demons (that Umbra witches use) AND Humans. This is basically automatic villain material unless they change things.
This is why I think Platinum's likely choice of Fae magic is an inspired one.
@@RicochetForce Its under the assumption that the next games will be a direct sequel to the last. Seeing as how they threw in the whole Multiverse aspect it wouldn't be hard to have a storyline where Baldur and Rosa had a son raised as a Lumen instead of a daughter raised an Umbra. Though seeing as how Viola was brought in, again, wouldnt be hard for a new character to also come in that was a boy instead of a girl from another universe.
@@jaynoir8937 But, that's one character. Unless there's another multiversal threat, why would Bayonetta care about a Lumen sage when both the Umbra and the Lumen are utterly gone from her own world? Maybe the story can be about restoring the clans and the balance they maintained? They could easily spin it that unless they exist the World of Chaos will continually generate Singularity-level threats that threaten the Trinity of worlds.
It took me... a while to process their "death" I had the same exact reaction, but as people are discovering more within the game and stuff I think we all came to the wrong conclusion at the heat of the moment, I don't think they are dead at all. But yeah if PlatinumGames gets a chance to make Bayonetta 4 with Nintendos green light in the future we will get a good story contrary to what people believe it might be though as Kamiya said... if people didn't like B3 for different reason he said to ditch the series so certain people have been warned, though if sadly the game doesn't come to fruition which I pray it DOES, however long it takes. We can take this as a sort of a happy ending for the franchise character herself... After all she went with Luka... The person she loved.
1:11:05 hint that her parents are likely still alive, either in Inferno or in the human world because Cereza/Sigurd were fighting each other and altering the universe. I could see the sequel focusing more heavily on Inferno; Cereza really abused the demons in this game, the original contract was to kill angels, and she literally enslaved them using forbidden magic, there's definitely going to be a price to pay for that. There will also likely be more explanation of the newly introduced Twilight powers, lore aside I feel like it's a reference to Devil Trigger. The thing about time travel and now Multiverse theory is that anything goes.. which is becoming a trend in MCU and other media.
This has been the most rational take of the ending I've seen. Surprise surprise that a dude who actually learns how to play the game is the one that doesn't pull garbage out of his ass and make things up. My two cents on the Viola thing. Platinum put themselves in a lose/lose situation. People went into this game ready to hate Viola because of her design and A LOT of people didn't even bother giving her a chance before writing her off as a Mary Sue/Self-insert. If they gave Viola too much people would have complained she overshadowed Cereza but by not giving her ANYTHING she doesn't earn the title of Bayonetta. I know they'll probably fix this in later games and give her more powers but the fact that you ONLY get her Faerie abilities in a Button Mash DT equivalent is so lame. I hope Cereza isn't gone forever purely because I really like her but I'm not against her story ending here.
I love how you weren’t overly negative about it like almost everyone else
Depends on how much you care about how well the game was written. It was a bit rushed but still fun. But the story is definitely not the best imo. The ending was pretty darn solid… but the build up? Meh
in my opinion, Bayonetta 3 character maybe is the Cereza wich the first Bayonetta was taking care. since she altered the timeline, this new version born.
Well... when you have a singular target enemy... and you demon is literally anything else but it on empty space... the ability LOCK ON exists... you tapping the R analog, so your playable characters automatically runs towards that target as a main direction, for double than shoulder R button helps by not having to direct aim at the fast moving target as long as you're moving to "a" direction and double tapping, because you're locked, you will automatically tackle onto the locked on target. You gotha LockOn again if the target entirely disappear from the screen and reappears, like Dark Adamand others. Also you can jump on enemies by literally wall jumping into them to keep yourself in the air over extending combos or dodging maneuverability like avoiding floor that traps you or deal damage, just get a little creative every now and then...
Have fun on the Witch Trials ! And remember that the Mictlantecuhtli's radar will be needed a few times but the laser are honestly now that good (after you're done with hil, switch a 3rd demon of choice, preferably Baal to stall a little for Poison Rain while letting Ball sin mid Witch Time and doing combos on the process on your own), have Phantasmaraneae to trap on webs certain big stallers and nuke himself off in the middle of Witch Time on key crowds or just eat healthbars overall, and Madama Butterfly for swift immediate damage and airbone uppercuts to stun everything around her, don't use stunning Kiss by it simply taking too much key time that can cost you your life specially with so limited health. Colour my World guns are perfect for small crowds, Alruna for quickly wide spread crowds to hook them 2 at a time to slam them on the floor and easily grab them from afar and preferably doing the 360 spin X button for multiple target damage, G-Pillar for large opponents that can't be grappled by the Alruna whips if you know how to do key fast moves with it constantly, Cruel Altea and Cassiopeia are good alternatives for Alruna but Alruna is the better more aggressive tackler. These are just recommendations, play however you want if you happen to have better combos or approaches, but the Witch Trials quickly get unforgiving... Have a Bewitching Time~
That Kamehameha was GOLDEN 👏😄
*Now that I really think about it. With Bayonetta “gone” and the lack of weapon mixing here Viola for all we know might just be a sword fighting type so the next game say she does get more weapons she’s not like her mom with it and doesn’t use weapons on her hands and feet so the hopes of even having the weapons mixing coming back might be gone for future games* 😔
This game made me cry and anger and happy and also the last part in the game with the kraken I left on heard and I already beat the game 3 times with different difficulty and I was just getting a good grade but I am going to leave it as bronze and you did better then me on collecting things in the game
If you cried with this game then stay away from Spiritfarer.
You'll cry your eyeballs out.
Or not.
If you are fine with the idea of crying a river then go for it.
Happy to see someone enjoy the game instead of this endless bandwagoning hate for the story decisions
Hahaah I looooved your vid and your reaction on it.
*Seriously idk where I’m at with this game. I like Viola and the mantle was sent off right she is a likable character but I don’t think Bayo should stay dead at all. This game was clearly just all demon love but the feature with them is really cool and potential combinations is sick….BUT THE LACK OF WEAPONS MIXING WITH ALL THESE NEW NEAT WEAPONS IS A HELL TO THE NO! Bayonetta having guns on her feet introduced us to being able to utilize all her weapons on every limb and has been like for the past 2 games, not having here for such a climatic game is crazy to me and it could’ve been so fun here. I say 7-8, I’m a combat guy and that really hurt me not seeing it in this game*
Hey, dude!
Do you intend to play Astral Chain someday?
Bayo 3 took some mechanics from it. You going to love this game a lot. The combat is the pure juice from Platinum. The OST is 10/10!
Kamiya and Takahisa Taura from Nier Automata were the leaders of this project.
I don't think Luka an Bayo died, when someone gets dragged to hell in the series it looks different. I think magical fairy Luka somehow restored her which made her soul turn normal and they turned the blueish color whenever Strider and Lukaon move around dimesions or worlds or whatever
I don't like Viola purely because I'm SO BAD at blocking, but I'm actually kind of glad that she inherited the title when and how she did not just because of the fact that she's got a massive weight to carry, but because unlike every Umbran Witch before her, she has no Umbran Watch that is outside of her body, which makes me feel like they're going to have to lean very hard on the fact that she has some sort of Fae ancestry in order for her to develop the new role as the protector of the world.
I'm sorry but no amount of Werewolf Glow up Powers will ever convince me a single Bayonetta fell for Luka and had a kid with him. Luka has always been the Punch line of guys thinking they can get a women out of their league and to see this romance leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Not to mention there is no build up to it, NOTHING in this game feels built up to because it's a multiverse plot. Just because this bayonetta is the Cereza from the first game doesn't mean we know her journey. And i know what people will say "YOU dON't PLAy ThiS GaME fOr tHe STOry!" YES YOU DO! Story is still integral to give weight to the story and make you feel invested! For exmaple, WHO THE FUCK IS SIGURD/SINGULARITY??? Why should i care that he's the villain? Despite this game shouting the multiverses are dying I NEVER felt invested in this story or the characters like the last two games. Love Viola as a characters, her voice actress is great, but i hate that she inherits her moms name to carry on the series. She should have been called VIOLETTA! It would have been so much cooler and symbolic to her journey in making HER OWN SERIES then carrying on Bayoinettas name.
While I agree with the weapon wheel, to select weapons at realtime (like what they did on Megaman11) and its a very good idea, the issue I can see and the reason it may not have been implemented is the Switch's own limitation. Imagine loading all that amount of combo animation at the same time for minimum of 9 weapons, i believe that Switch can't handle that memory load. The Switch can probably contain only 2 weapons load of animation data, that's why you can only use 2 weapon at a time.
You should do Astral Chain next you'll love it
I put Astral Chain on my Christmas list this year so we'll see what happens 😂
Actually redgrave this bayonetta is the kid that we raised in the first game (brave child)
It was confirmed that this is Grown-up Cereza and not Bayo 1 and 2. I think they will make a 4th Bayonetta because Hideki Kamiya heard the ending made fans unhappy.
No. It wasn't confirmed. They one we play in all three games is the same. The two which appear at the end are just alternate versions of her. It's even described in their bio.
@@roslla9951 My mistake in saying confirmed. It is implied. As it only says that in Bayo 2's bio and not Bayo 1's. Also the fact that Bayo 1 called Cereza Little One.
Not our Bayonetta. There's far too much evidence telling us that she isn't, just one that's very similar to the one from Bayonetta 1 and the one from Bayonetta 2.
Literally confirmed, the archives specify that bayo 3 left vigrid on her own and that she and Jeanne survived the withc hunts...
Things bayo 1 and 2 didn't do.
I hope riding sacrifices viola to revive bayonetta : 3
Are you planning to play Astral Chain or W101 sometime in the future? Thanks for all 3 bayonetta lets plays :D
I have Astral Chain on my Christmas list this year but I'm sure I'll get to both of them (as well as playing / replaying the rest of Platinum Games' catalogue) once I finish some other projects
You covered most of my points here, I just have one personal nitpick. If they want Bayonetta and Luka together I would need more than 5 mins of interactions on screen thank you very much.
I just ugly cried btw. Everybody who ugly cried, press f.
Bayonetta is 7'7 you are right
There is a misconception about Bayo height, because of the art style of the game. Bayo in reality is like 5'9, 6'0 at max.
Luka is taller.
Not really.. Bayonetta is 7ft tall. Rodin is canon about 8-9ft, his demon form is 12ft, and Madama Butterfly is 49ft. I did the math. Bayo is about the same height as Butterfly’s head, and diving 49 from 7, you get an exact 7 without decimal or carry-over.. And given how Devil Rodin is almost twice the height as Bayonetta, it gives her true height..
Also, Viola is canon 5’10” in real height.. and she’s tiny compared to Bayonetta and Jeanne.
If Bayonetta was 5’9”, then Viola would be 3ft tall
@@sirensong237 loud and wrong.
Due to the artstyle… Bayo and Madama’s heads are smaller than normal. If Bayonetta is really 7ft… all of the major side characters and NPCs are giants. The best reference to her height is looking that the dark eve’s bio in the game logs… as it estimated her height to be roughly 5’11”…. And she isn’t really all that much taller and she is wearing heels.
@@ryanjohnson781 how am I “loud and wrong”. I’m literally stating facts from the game itself.. Bayonetta was literally face to face with Viola and Viola was barely shoulder height.. and she’s officially nearly 6ft . So yes.. actual proof shows Bayonetta is almost 7ft tall..
Either way, the measuring system for the game is hit or miss.
@@sirensong237 yes, the game is hit or miss, I agree. However, Bayonetta is NOT 7 ft. When we see Bayonetta and Viola side by side in chapter 4, The top of violas head is just above Bayonetta’s neck line…. And Bayonetta is wearing heels. According to the book, Viola is 1.8m (same as dark eve) which equates to roughly 5.9 ft height. Dark eve is basically Bayo… but even if they weren’t the same height, Viola is only 4-6 inches shorter (estimate from Bayonetta… mind you… she is wearing heels). Bayonetta looks to be around 5.11 at most.
Luka is also 1.9m (6.2 ft) according to the lore…. And he is definitely taller than Bayonetta.
Hadn't Hellena Taylor messed up with Platinum Games, we woudda have her voice over the three Bayos and this woudda been a greater precious moment than it was.
What's funny is that they offered her that $5000 to cameo for those Bayonettas at the end of the game and she declined. Then she went on that whole defamation spree 😂
@@AntonioRedgrave Yeah. I don't know what happened to her. Pity. 🙄
I disagree with your viola take,she's silly like luka
*jokes Bayonetta is dead and roll credits...
I guess I’m just disappointed at all this. This game could have been so much more but wasn’t.
I don't know what else you were expecting, i get 8 tears of expectations, but this is by far the most insane entry in the franchise content wise.
@@TheKain202 for the story to not be kingdom hearts 4 the multiverse of madness. For the gameplay to be challenging and hard, for the characters to be likeable and fun to watch. For the action to not just drag you through set pieces or scripted running crap. Or scenes you cannot skip because it’s a climax attack! Or slow rp walk sections that you can’t skip past. For Viola’s sections to be fun and not infuriating, for it not to be a casual mess of ideas that don’t really go anywhere. Oh yay we get to see new Bayonetta’s for what like a few missions before oh wait they’re dead, no reason to care because we got to get the stupid chaos gears to defeat the ceo of Facebook. I miss father balder from the first game at last he looked like David Bowie. Sure the plots weren’t the last of us, but they weren’t kingdom hearts either… I’d take Loki’s annoying British voice and little Cereza’s whiny voice over Viola’s voice that sounds like the voice actor wasn’t given proper direction. The gameplay, well fighting is ok and the weapons are cool, but the enemy designs are just too dam big! Like this game feels so messy with its enemies compared to the first where most were human sized and could actually be read. Spamming moves is also pretty common in Bayonetta 3 just spam the same move over and over again with little punishment since magic is only tied to the demon slave mechanic. As a person who’s played a fair share of character action games I felt that Bayonetta 1 was one of the best, now seeing how the gameplay has devolved into look at this crazy Godzilla game I’m just checked out. I thought the demon slave mechanic would be fun but it’s kinda meh, like it feels like platinum just want to make scale bound and keep putting elements of scale bound in every new original ip of theirs. Astral Chain and Bayonetta 3 for the biggest examples. One last thing but I know this is gonna sound really nit picky, but I miss assigning weapons to your hands and feet and also I dislike how you have to unlock the skills for each weapon instead of just Bayonetta like the first 2 games.
@@GhostwalkerSparrow TL;DR version: I don't like change, wah.
@@thembill8246 because the changes are crap?
Worst ending ever, they have no respect to the fan
Is there a way to like this video
More than once? 🥹