Using a Windows Phone in 2023, is it any good??
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2023
- This here be the long lost third player of the smartphone race, the Windows Phone! More specifically, this is a Microsoft Lumia 640 XL running Windows Phone 10... is it any good?
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I’m still really surprised that Windows phone died, it had huge potential to rival iOS and Android if it were handled properly.
I would use it everyday if it had support. Had a Samsung phone with Win7 on it
I had one in 2014-15, man I loved it, the UI, the Windows Store, the games, Music, etc. It was majestic. I hope they revive it one day, maybe make Xbox Game Pass a feature for it to attract people, idk.
Windows Phone 10 was the best iteration too where they started moving away from Metro apps bland design where it was all monochromatic. They had Android bridge at one point but never completely implemented it...
I wasnt surprised. I used one for about a year in 2014. App development was horrible, which made using it awful. Since the phones sucked, nobody wanted them, and since nobody wanted them, developers didnt want to make apps for it
I wish it did succeed more competition is always good for the consumer.
i saw ads for this phone as a kid and loved the ui look of windows on a phone and really wanted one.
me too
I still want a Windows phone for the same motivation: the ui but lack of support killed it
Same, it''s a shame i never got to use windows phone and now its basically rendered useless
I had one I had it in 2021 and then in 2022 I got a iPhone but I loved lumia
never got one :(
I used Windows phone around 2015-ish. At the time the OS was literally better and snappier than android with only like half a gig of ram. It seriously had a lot of potential and a few third party apps were quite good. It really is a shame that Microsoft fumbled it so bad. A modern version would probably blow Android and iOS out of the water.
We don't need even more Microsoft in our lives.
Nah man....
Yes, I agree with you exactly, I also had a Windows phone and I was relatively satisfied, it was much better than Android and you could do a lot of things on it. If Microsoft brought back Windows Phone, I think it would be a real boom.
maybe you're right about the computer, but we needed it to compete on the phone side.
It was a third power against android and ios monopolies in the era of Windows Phones. It was a time when people using linux on the computer used windows on the phone. @@TheBcoolGuy
I used Windows Phone 8 on a Lumia 1020 and it was awful IMO.
Windows phone is not really dead cuz if you willing to mod it you can get it really up to date. And even if you have a Lumia 950 you can have windows 11 on it and you can make calls from it too. You can use normal programs too
What for though?
@@ivanschekoldin7315 well, windows phones are not bad at all, you can probably use them as a daily driver or maybe as a secondary phone
Ah that it can run windows 11 yes but really the cpu will run at 100% usage we have 2023 now thatswhy windows lost mobile phones market the hardware was underpowered,
@@novexGD What is the point in a secondary phone though? Sounds like a total waste of money.
@@Soluscide tons of people have secondary phones, not sure why but its very common
To be honest:
If Microsoft will bring back Lumia line with windows 11 mobile, Im selling my latest android phone for it
Same, I'll gladly sell my soul for a new one.
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@@hrznn lol
I would like it if it would literally be a Windows but on a phone, and modified so it can still smoothly run and have good UI on one
I think windows 11 mobile will be android based ngl
What a revolutionary idea. A micro SD card slot, a headphone jack AND a removable battery????
As a lifelong android user, this vid was fantastic to see the equivalent jankyness from the era
We love jank!
The annoying thing was that WP7 and WP8 didn't have that. They were smooth and made me switch from Android to WP. But then WP10 was just a mess.
I had a windows phone....wasn't jank at all, probably later models were....they were bleeding money so I wouldn't be surprised.
Lets be honest to get a phone with 48 megapixel camera was considered quite a flagship and if you update to Windows 11 you will get a total diffrent experience
I was a Windows Phone user back in the day, and honestly WP8 & 8.1 were great and didn't suffer from a lot of jank. Mainly, they were just really short on apps, and a lot of things had to be done through the browser that you'd use an app for on other phones, or through third party apps.
The transition to Windows 10 Mobile didn't go well, though. It launched in a buggy and unfinished state, and it stripped away much of what made Windows Phone unique in the first place. I understand why Microsoft wanted to unify the mobile version of Windows with the desktop version, but it ultimately was the final nail in the coffin for their phone OS efforts.
I loved my Windows phones, used them all the way to the end. I believe the lack of Pokemon Go was really the end of them. I still use one of them for a speedometer on my motorcycle, and another as a camera ( the 41 megapixel one ). But Microsoft abandoned us all. I use nothing but Linux now. I quit wasting time on big tech companies.
I felt abandoned by Microsoft. I really looked forward to the updates for the os and thought for a while it was going somewhere. I really dislike Microsoft, windows phone lost its identity when Microsoft took over, I guess it was a catalogue of errors and decisions but from a consumer point of view I felt like I'd been stitched up over a long period of time. Think I used one of my old phones as a webcam....sigh 😞
Enjoyed this. Just to add, what we're seeing here with the lack of applications and bad perf is the end result of bad decision making. Windows Phone/Windows Mobile had a strong marketshare through the 2000s, thanks to starting with Pocket PC/Windows CE early. After the iPhone showed up, it was decided to revamp the OS, and Windows Phone 7 came out needing all software to be re-written in Silverlight, and without all the necessary APIs to do so. Version 8 came out, and although they continued with Silverlight support, they now insisted on their new WinRT API to match desktop Windows 8, although it was separate from the WinRT as on desktop (referred to as WinPRT). Then in version 10, they merged WinRT/WinPRT to a "Universal" API, called UWP (Windows Universal Platform).
The final result was that UWP killed the excellent performance and memory efficiency that Silverlight provided, which had allowed phones with small amounts of RAM to work really well, and also had the effect of making developers not want to have to deal with frameworks that change drastically every year, phones with poor performance, and a continuing limited amount of users. This is only the tip of the iceberg too, there's the debacle of their purchase of Nokia, removal of the People/Music/Picture Hubs, Google refusing to build apps, etc.
My dad's still using a Lumia till this day and he really likes it for the simple tasks he does
I really enjoyed my time with Windows Phone. My original came with Windows Phone 8 but I was there through the update to Win10 base and yeah it was a little painful.
Lack of decent 3rd party app support but that UI was gorgeous.
Also the *paid section for mobile apps isn't broken in the store, Because the OS is EoL, Microsoft doesn't allow new apps to be added to the store and delisted all of the paid apps, at least as far as I remember.
Windows might be my favourite phone OS ever. IIRC W8 was crap, but 8.1 was a bit better. Then W10 was really nice. Probably not the best but I really liked it, as crazy as it may sound. I had a 100€ Android and then moved on to a 100€ Lumia and it was a massive upgrade. If the app support was there I would've happily continued with them. Even now I recently started using a launcher on my Android that mimics the look of WP.
Yeah I agree with you mostly, 8 was meh, 8.1 brought some much needed improvements but 10 was where it should have been at when it released.
App support didn't get enough focus, Microsoft had to internally build the og youtube app which was pulled pretty quick because of a license thing with google, if I'm remembering right.
Beyond that it was just real shitty timing, they shouldn't have dropped their old phone OS so quickly, and shouldn't have launched a ''new and improved' product which was buggy and incomplete.
Ballmer came to early.
@@u0aol1 yes, bill gates should not have give up his company. window phone has its own prirority UI ans store, then micorosoft discontinued, window mobile 10 suppose to joint with desktop windows 10. buggy and incomplete, which? windows mobile buggy and incomplete?? how ?? it was best windows on mombile system ever created. its sad, when windows phones had to go away, and users need buy the new windows mobile phones. but technology has to go forward, old ones has to go away.
@@odkresi remember i wanted android when i had a cheap wp phone but i tried a cheap android phone around the same price from a family member and the experience was worse even if it supported more apps
That was the worst part about the OS, the scarcity of apps and games was dumb
My very first phone was an iPhone 4. After that a Galaxy S3. A couple phones after though we're Nokia Windows phones and I miss the OS to this day. They had impressive camera specs which got me into photography/videography from a younger age. I also had Spotify on a Windows phone when it was new and completely free. Only small ads and no memberships. Crazy how things have changed!
Ya spotify was great when it first came around now it's not really worth it unless you pay.
My Instagram became active when I bought Lumia 830 back in 2015. It was only 8MP but it has the Nokia Pureview special features so it really is for photography with its manual presets in the camera app. Sadly my Lumia 830 suddenly boot loop and it never recovered. Had to switch to Samsung A series. I still miss Windows phone and Nokia's unique hardware design and camera.
a few weeks ago i bought a nokia lumia 630 for 2 euros at a flea market, running windows phone 8. that shows how these older phones lost all their value, alos i love how in the end the audio driver crashed like when you get a bsod
I used to use a Windows Phone 8.1 phone and it was honestly pretty good for what it was... The key differences from windows mobile 10 are the UI and the much better performance. However i'm pretty sure it would be far less functional in the modern world than even WM10
I had a old nokia phone which uses windows phone os
My first phone was a Microsoft Lumia 530, it was actually not that good especially after a year or so when I realized it didn't even have the basic apps that every other OS had, shazam, snapchat etc.
windows phone has such massive missed potential. especially now that they've figured out how to emulate x86 devices on ARM and Continuity can actually be useful
Funny enough, MS-DOS Mobile was an April Fools joke from Microsoft in 2014, and there's some little apps and stuff in the various folders you're allowed to CD into.
Windows phone (every version before windows phone 10) was actually quite good and at it’s time, better and more stable than android in many aspects.
So as an old avid Windows Phone user (switched to Apple afterwards), the sluggishness was not an issue when these were new, they were very snappy. Also there was a "CZcams" app, it was just third party. Also the camera quality depends on the device. The primary mistake made here was that they charged for the OS so no one wanted to make devices for the unknown os.
tubecast gang
W8.1 was well optimized and to me, far prettier and with nicer animations than W10M.
W10M was a lot heavier and the Lumia 640 was genuinely underpowered for this o.s , that was a terrible call.
@@deniselisboa1 Based, I miss TubeCast so much.
I had one for over two years (2015-2017), and it served me really well. For the price I paid (barely enough to buy a dual core android with crappy 4gb of storage) it delivered great performance with a quadcore processor, and rarely gave me trouble. The system was beautiful, Whatsapp worked really well and even the music player was good. Yeah there was the lack of apps, but honestly I rarely used my phone for stuff aside from the basics back then. Overall I'm very fond of my memories with that device.
I wish they would bring this back but I know that it would fail. Windows 11 runs Android apps natively anyway, it would be the best of both worlds (if it was a lighter weight version of 11 that is)
I would like to see what running Windows 11 on these would be like and also using Android apps on it
I don't know why Devs are not looking into that
A Windows system slapped with native android app support
All legacy code removed & support for desktop view locked into a feature,toogle
It can work
But I think blackberry needs to in on this one
Sailfish OS is Also rocking miles & Russians are really looking into that,it can be put up also
@@dinozaurpickupline4221 The issue is getting app support (especially from Google) and getting regular consumers to switch from what they're comfortable with
@@frokfrdk Ask yourself if you had spare $200M would you invest half of that into developing a new OS,
We know android had those bugs that couldn't be removed without breaking everything,so they kept adding workarounds bloating the code
While apple fixed the bugs in every iteration,
Now at android 13people complain it's too bloated
android Go has failed
Hardware costs are all time high,
I don't want hardware,I want quality experience in limited resources that can last me 5years
I'm saying I need a phone that will be good for 5 years using just 2gb RAM & a passable soc
@@dinozaurpickupline4221 This is exactly what I have been saying for a while Idk why they didn't do this. What a wasted opportunity they could of dominated the phone space.
God, I REALLY wish Win10m succeeded. Even if Project Astoria succeded this would have a SLIGHT chance at survival - this might sound ridiculous but w10m was the GOAT when it came to resource management on low-end devices. I'll always look back fondly on the times I spent with my Lumia 520, 535, 435 and 830 - all great devices that sadly could have been much, much more.
I give Windows Phone credit for making skeuomorphism uncool, and live tiles were at-a-glance info almost a decade ahead of what iOS did with widgets. When the services were working, some OLED Lumia decides were really great.
The phone rocking is a better drum than the drum app 🙂
"that would be a dumb idea"
...
"So let's just call emergency services ✨✨✨"
My dad had one of these, and I actually loved playing around with it.
The N9 was also a cool phone, I remember wanting it so badly.
The drumming part was great! xD
Just having a removable battery makes this device a lot better than other smartphones out there.
I loved my windows phone. They had nice hardware and a visually distinctive UI.
It just launched too late and totally felt dead at the time missing tons of vital mobile apps even for stuff like Yourube or Wells Fargo.
Dude your drumming skills are next level!!
Windows Phone 7/8 was great, awesome UI and very smooth. It did the job done.
Windows 10 mobile was a big difference.
i only used 8 and updated to 8.1 and back then i thought 10 would be a better experience, i couldn't update to it because was unsupported
I bought a Nokia Lumia 720 back in 2013 and loved it for 2 years, I even bought the Nokia Lumia 520 for my younger brother. But over time it start to get frustrating seeing Microsoft abandon the Windows phone and lack of apps in the app store, I switch to Android in 2016, I wish I did it sooner
i was in the same spot. The dealbreaker for me was when they announced that we wont get the new updates only after a year. It was sad since i really liked the design and feel
I kinda really enjoyed the drum part :D nice video!
The reason why Spotify was advertised on Windows Phone was because Microsoft wanted to buy Spotify I believe in 2017 or 2018 and wanted to discontinue Groove Music on Windows Phone. (I think it was something along those lines).
dude you deserve wayy more subs than 2k ive watched some of your old videos and i can see you being the next big tech youtuber keep on the great work man!
YOU GOT IT WRONG, there is a third party CZcams app called "MyTube!" that handled CZcams videos on Windows Phone like a CHAMP. Everyone who looks at these phones don't mention that.
I absolutely loved owning a Windows Phone back in the day. SO MANY features were introduced in Windows Mobile (even some before Android like wireless charging!).
I miss that keyboard, especially with the little dot on the left hand side - if you hold onto it you can move the type curser left and right.
I also loved swiping to the right to get all my apps. I hate how iPhone groups them into these ever changing "recommendations" groups when I just want the list. I still rock a single page because more than two feels wrong. I would've still used Windows Phone if they kept support AND didn't discontinue Groove Music.
PS: I LOVED Windows 8/10 UI. Metro UI to me was at least unique and (I think) rather utilitarian. I HATE how Windows 11 looks as it just copied Android and iPhone which I also hate.
Great video! Greetings from Chile
BROOOOOO!!! Dungeon Hunter 4 was my game back in 2013-2015!
I remember going to Best Buy around the times of Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8.1. I always thought that both versions looked pretty neat.
I remain convinced that Microsoft could have kept Windows Phone going and if they had, it would be a strong competitor to iOS by now.
The bones were there. With Windows 10, they finally, FINALLY had a quality mobile OS that they could iterate on for decades.
I’m still bitter at Satya Nadella for pulling the whole thing.
Win10 was bad but fancy looking. Win8.1 was great - and still is on my Lumia phones
my classmate has this phone back in like 3th grade and I also really wanted one
mentioning this because this phone actually released not only in the US but in Europe as well, which is interesting
seems like i made a habit out of stumbling upon small, but extremely underrated channels with interesting content about weird tech. Not that i'm complaining, i'm actually extremely glad it happens
I still use a WIndows Phone (950XL) as daily driver. Perfect. No distraction, camera beating the 14 Pro Max, awesome screen (2560x1440 OLED), USB3.1 fast charging and screen sharing. CZcams still works, podcasts work, Telegram works. Battery can be changed easily, good hotspot for the laptop. Nothing wrong.
Random point to make. I had an LG V20 once upon a time and it also had an Always On display even though it was an IPS LCD. There was a constant blue glow around the clock. I usually flipped it upside down before I went to bed.
Loved the drumming part, lol
everyone i know that's owned a windows phone (surprisingly amount of people) loved it which is surprising! makes me want to get one
By the way your youtube channel is pretty cool I like it keep it up
If Microsoft bring back Nokia Lumia Lineup original design with PureView camera + deep integration with Chat GPT, that would be fire
reminds me of J Perm or even dankpods
good vid :)
The opening cracked me up really hard
By the way, not sure if it’s the same on the 640, but in the 1520 at least the “always-on” display wasn’t the actual display, was like a second display on top the lcd, that only showed the time, so it’s not the main lcd turned on
i love old tech. this is soooo beautiful
I had 3 Lumia phones and I loved all of them! WP got worse with every update until it became unusable. But until then these phones were great! Where else would you get a phone that felt good in your hand with an always on displays and the Here Maps offline navigation (big deal when data was expensive and I was a broke student) for 100-150€?
I still remembered i used lumia 520 as my daily driver, loved that phone until it died
symbian was not that bad, last nokia models with it had free maps i think and always on display back in 2011
It worked well back then but I'm sure security and protocol changes made it harder to use and even towards the last days it became less useful. Check the "smoked by windows phone" videos. I liked the live tiles and UI on the phone but not on a tablet or pc. The camera was really nice for a phone camera at the time. The issue was the lack of apps
i still own a lumia 930. i loved it so much. earlier this year, i charged it, but made the mistake to reset it (to have a fresh system), and now it doesnt turn on anymore -_- is there a way to re-install the os? ^^
I had a Nokia Lumia 521 in 9th grade. That windows budget phone had a camera ahead of its time!
9:38 yep, there actually was a YT app back in the day, but it was deleted after 2019 if I remember correctly
There is a windows phone related group that has apps like working versions of weather and onenote.
I installed weather to my Lumia 535 from there and it works.
I also upgraded that phone to Windows 10 1709 which is normally unsupported on that phone.
This model was my first and last windows phone. Nostalgia af
I remember my good old Lumia 800 back then, I can't access anything other than the stuff available in their App store, and it was so tough, I can literally hammer a nail with it's screen and it is fine. Really cool actually. But sadly it just can't take off and discontinued. Had to sell it used for a way lower price.
Window phones allows you install apps to the external memory card. You could also change out the battery yourself. You could create a playlist on your PC windows media player and export it to your windows phone.❤️❤❤
I have a couple HP Elite X3's with docks and the lapdocks. Really nice gear which HP and MS were desperately trying to make mainstream. If only they got more app devs on board they could've made a real competitor to Apple and Android. You would think with all of HP and MS's resources, especially as they'd just aquired Nokia, could've done better. Too little too late unfortunately.
Interesting vid man. Would's been interesting to see if continuum (I think that's how it's spelt!) holds up and maybe compare MS Continuum to Samsung Dex if you have a Galaxy phone. :)
Are you interested in selling any of them? Thanks Ron.
Favorite windows feature:
When connected to to your car with bluetooth you can tell your car to “call Cortana” and she will answer, allowing you to tell the phone to do many of its functions through voice command. Before Android Auto and Apple CarPlay this was very advanced
The trumpet on the piano app sounded kinda good
back in 2018 when i had a wp10 phone it was actually alright, i had a 640 which had an oled screen and was actually nice to use. i remember hearing about continuity and being sad my phone wouldn't support it lol. also the command prompt app isn't a terminal, you can run some software and it comes with windows phone 3.11 (i think thats what they called it lol)
the speaker is placed in the perfect position for whoever you're taking a photo of the some reason
I remember dloading a launcher that mimics windows phone tiles, loved it a lot.
I miss those era of a phone that can open its back
OMG this channel is so underrated
OMG I had the same exact one and I LOVED IT
I had the Lumia 640 back in the day. It was blazing fast and the camera was amazing. Sad it never took off
A lot of apps are fixable or there are decent third party apps available. It's an 8 year old midrange phone so you can't expect it to be perfect but many things are still doable on this. Some gameloft games are still updated and work online too
Interesting. So we can install third party app store?
@@faiziemdyazid3630 I think there is a third party app store but I'm not sure how good it is. I prefer to install things manually (just like with apk on android)
I like that we are judging performance of a budget phone 8 years ago...
They were kinda cooking on the drums 🔥
I am a drummer
I really miss my Windows phones. Live tiles were such fun to use, my Nokia Lumia 930 was a beast
At least you were having fun with a drumset while it lasted
there were third party youtube apps at one point. i used this phone right before the store died
I got a Windows phone for my wife years ago for just 99 bucks new. It was perfectly usable at the time but eventually she changed to Android. It was the first phone I saw with an always on display showing the time and that was on an LCD display so it must have used a lot of power compared to an OLED that can light individual pixels.
my first phone ever was a nokia with windows os and i loved it, having cortana as a halo fan was so cool as a kid lol
In 2013-2014, I got a Samsung Ativ SE. Essentially a windows 8 galaxy phone. I loved it. Always ran smooth, loved the design and having a dedicated xbox app was really great for a 15-16 year old at the time. Only issue was the app store. Companies refused to put their app in on the store which led to multiple clone apps like 6snap for snapshot or multiple different CZcams clone apps that gave you premium features for free. There were also a lot of free apps that violated copyright laws. Although I liked my android. Windows phone was a breath of fresh air at the time for me
Those "Clone apps" aren't clone apps but rather 3rd party clients, also there are already apps that can do that on android💀
This is an interesting outlook towards windows phone after a long time. I remember using this on my preteen years.
I'm kind of really overwhelmed by your review because of as you present the idea of removable battery and headphone jack. I've saw a net kind of review from your perspective because I felt like there might be a generation gap or technological generation gap because of the amusement showed by you for points which was normal to us back in the day.
Also windows actually came up with some of ideas that were not present in phone market, so Lumia devices were actually an example of indroducing new ideas to the market
Yeah idk about a generational gap I grew up with that stuff too, I present it as different since it's something that's rare to find these days
@@gakeeeenheadphone jack and micro SD card slot are still there. It's simply that budget phones are way too basic for a lot of people out there
@@frokfrdkI sincerely wished Microsoft make it's comeback, I mean come on, I've seen a lot of android shenanigans working normally on windows 11 like Nearby share, Gmail, Google chrome, Whatsapp, Instagram, CZcams, google drive, .
At least, computers have 3 major platforms which is Linux, MacOS, windows. With smartphones, it's limited to only 2 major platforms like android and iOS, with the death of Tizen, windows Mobile, Bada OS and Firefox os
I kept my windows phone to use as a media player and to watch Netflix until it finally stopped working. Saved my android battery and because it had a 720p screen and 1mb processor, the battery life was exceptional.
Had two Lumias for two years each from 2015 to 2019. I miss my opaque, square, live tiles so, so much.
I used to want one of these sooo bad back then. Man have the times changed
i had lumia 510, lumia 520 my whole family had windows! And then they just did not catch up.. it was really a great phone! Nostalgia
You should do a similar video on an Android phone running something like Gingerbread!
Had Nokia Lumia 720 for years, used to love it
Man I had some good times with these as a kid. They were quite snappy at tyeir time too.
Great video, Windows Phone was such a good startup. But, anyway it was poorly excecuted.
i really enjoyed the cover lmao
bro ur so good w the drums lmaoo
u should make a vid playin drums bro 🤝
I definitely wanna do that sometime
had the windows phone succeeded, we would have a lot of microsoft store apps for desktop users
Never had a phone with it but I’m sad their project ford. The UI liked sick at the time, if that system was still around maybe we’d have more competition and innovations these days.
WP keyboard was awesome. I was only swyping with it, was great!
You are now legally required to remix Fur Elise with your drums and release it as a cover. I don't make the rules 🤣🤣🤣
this was my fav phone ever i got, this is really a part of my childhood
I actually own one of those Docs, the Continuum dock, it does work, however it wasn't exactly a full Windows environment, it was basically just a desktop Windows phone 10, and the hardware could absolutely not handle the resolution at all.
thanks for making this video. I was missing my lumia 520, I broke it when I was in college, now I was regrating it. but after watching your video I remembered how slow n dumb that phone was. thanks, now I don't regrate. tho still I have it. in case if I able to repair it in future I will use it for calling
I distinctively remember one of the adults at my church having one of these. I thought it was the coolest thing ever. About three years ago I was called in as an extra to film a concept trailer, and the shooting place was at an abandoned school. It had been deserted completely around 2017 and was used for storage before that. Stumblingg through the dark rooms I turn on the light. The kitchen, it seems. The table awkwardly askew had old Christmas food decorations. Sprinkles, frosting, old teck boxes and CDs... what? I checked out the boxes. One of them was for a Windows phone. Bizarre but fun memory. I wish I'd taken one of those CDs with me. Some were from the 90s and one was for what I can only describe as a prototype Desku from 2003. Desku is a Finnish digital workbench used in schools.
I had Nokia Lumia 610 , 710 & then had 830 was so good I used it for a year and then I saw that people were hating it 😔
My first phone when I started high school was the Microsoft Lumia 550 - only cost like £80 at the time, and for a super budget phone, it genuinely wasn’t awful and I quite liked the UI but man was the app situation DIRE. Started saving for my first iPhone almost instantly after my parents bought me that first phone 😂🤦🏻♂️
Back in the day I had a 1520, it was unreal fast, until the windows 10 update, it made the phone overheat and lag a lot, it was a mess of an update. WP peaked in 8.1, W10 killed the os