Do Outboards Make Sense on a Performance Cruising Catamaran?
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- As we get nearer to completion of our Seawind Catamaran we are starting to finalize our options for the boat. One of the most important options choice for us was if and which engines to upgrade to. The debate of inboard diesel vs gas outboard engines is a very interesting one in the sailing catamaran world. It is one that really had us on the fence. For now let’s go over all the engine options for the Seawind 1160 and although we are talking about this boat specifically the same points can and mostly do apply in some way to any other catamaran that may be debating inboard vs. outboard engines.
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00:00 - Inboard Vs Outboard on a sailing catamaran
01:08 - New Catamaran update
02:04 - The options: Honda outboards, Yamaha Outboards, Yanmar Inboards
03:30 - Cost
04:11 - Fuel Type, Capacity, and Location
06:26 - Fuel Consumption, Range, HP, Torque/Thrust
08:44 - Electrical Production
09:50 - Weight, Drag, Sailing Efficiency
11:02 - Repairs and Maintenance
12:00 - Noise
12:50 - Conclusion
14:27 - Cost again
15:54 - Bloopers
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Diesels, for sure. Can't beat the fuel efficiency and increased range for travel. Your going to appreciate the tremendous amount of amps they can generate to charge your lithium battery bank.
I think the added weight outweighs the fuel savings, tbh. Factoring in the haul outs for the sail drives and other maintenance kind of dusts the whole $$ differential. Not factoring in the thousands saved by going outboard.
I went over this same decision when I was looking at getting a Seawind. In the end I spoke to someone who's got the Yamaha outboards on his Seawind and he's really happy with them. He's based in Singapore and has sailed all over SE Asia in his boat and he's happy with the Yamahas since he can get parts and service nearly anywhere. He also has a Honda portable Gen set he uses and has only one type of fuel on board. He carries extra fuel for his outboards, generator and dinghy and often runs on one engine to extend range. He loves pulling the engines out of the water to reduce drag during sailing and he's always getting caught in fishing nets etc so pulling the props out and removing the stuff stuck to his props makes things easier. However, if he was living on the boat full time he'd get diesels. He only sails a few weeks at a time so the outboards work better for him in that situation.
The diesel would be my choice regardless of cost because of the charging capability and the extra torque or thrust. If you ever get into a tidal change with 6 knot currents and high winds the diesel pays for its self. That is an extreme but I have found it prudent to always plan for the worst. If cost is the final factor Then the outboards will work fine because I know you plan based on their capabilities. The big factor here is that you do get to make the choice. The new boat is coming.
I wish I had known you were asking for input on outboards- we chose the outboards. We have found that the diesels run a knot slower under sail because of the drag/ weight. We have a diesel generator and outboard motors. We will be using the "inboard" space to hold our scuba equipment. We are also live-aboard, though we are coastal cruisers. Regardless of the engine, we recommend running only one unless necessary- it doesn't slow you down and you save so much fuel! (AND WELCOME TO THE SEAWIND FAMILY!!)
Good to know Barbara... How do you feel about the engine noise?
I like having 3 identical motors. I lived on my own in the bush in BC and Nova Scotia/New Brunswich. Budget is key, but layers of protection are key as well.
Thanks for the update.
Diesels over outboard is the traditional response and I would agree wholeheartedly.
To be honest, any inboard configuration ( even gas or electric) would be my preference over outboards.
I think the better discussion is the relative merits of sail-drive vs a straight propeller shaft.
I've had inboards and outboards over the years. I found that lifting my outboards out of the water when idle prevented the galvanic corrosion I experienced with drives that sat forever in the water.
Good choice. I was part of a crew that moved an older Seawind from the west coast of Florida to the Miami boat show and back. Pushing into the wind going across Florida bay the outboards cavitation was a huge issue. The fuel fills where on the bridge deck and the vents were sketchy so we had to close up the hulls when fueling. The range was so poor we had ten Jerry cans lashed to the stern (which expanded in the sun and dripped )
After watching so many cruisers doing engine compartment yoga while sweating their balls off I feel like this category should carry additional weight under the quality of life category. Even the hassle of maintaining a folding prop verses an outboard prop is a big difference, not to mention the expense. A folding prop means carrying more spare parts, greases, zincs and prop coat too. When you're in crocodile water out in the middle of nowhere working on your prop while trying to not lose your tools and parts to Neptune your value scales tend to shift. I've been on the fence for what I would actually choose but can I say that I feel like I'd prefer a third option? It might be cool to have a decent sized gen set that is accessable for maintenance and two electric outboards. That way you eliminate most of the negatives of outboards while keeping most of the positives. If the Genset takes a dump on you then you're still in better shape than a monohull because you maintain some redundancy because the solar will provide electricity to run the electric outboards. Not enough to motor out of a no wind situation but enough to get in and out of an anchorage and set the hook. Aircon would be a nice bonus under this setup too. I know it isn't a perfect solution but I like the pro's vs con's a lot better.
As a general philosophy I feel like the best part is no part. The less complex something is the better. Less holes in the boat for props and raw water is better. Less internal combustion engines to maintain is better. Less prop complexity, maintenance and parts is better. Unless a person enjoys engine compartment yoga, trying to get all kinds of parts while in the middle of nowhere, extra work during haul out, and spending tons of money.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. Everyone is saying Diesels but that's really been the only realistic option. Maintenance ease and cost is a big consideration. KISS - Keep it Simple Stupid
yes, i would say se same! electric outboards is the best under sail.
I would go diesel ! I have a Wharram cat with two Y 9.9 outboards… I am constantly cleaning carbs and desalting from sea spay up into the outboard sleds. The weak link in my vessel for sure.. congrats!!
Yeah, Diesel - if nothing else it's not a combustable. Gasoline fumes on the other hand...
Yep I think you made the right choice just the energy output alone makes this a no-brainer if you're living on board full time. The extra 400 NM range is a huge bonus and diesel engines are so much more reliable. You two are definitely on the right track, I can't wait to see you on your new boat!
I always say the correct number of holes drilled in your hull is 0
Best way to keep spark plugs and carb clean, is unplugged your fuel line and run the fuel empty out of the carbs. I know that’s a hassle, but Honda recommends this with lawn mowers and weed wackers, so if you go with gas, you need to empty the lines and carbs.
Newer 2 stroke outboards are direct injection. No oil burn (smoke) as the exhaust valve isn’t exposed when the fuel gets into the cylinder.
Something you did not hit on is hull penetration for prop shafts. I have an I/O drive on my gas driven boat and I have had water leakage due to the shift cable boot. I completely understand your well thought out choice for inboard diesel. With outboards you have no potential leak points.
Love the 5 boat topics series! Looking forward to your Catamaran adventures!
We own a PDQ cat and I just changed out my two Yamaha 9.9 high thrust motors. The old ones lasted 17 years. We also run a 9.9 on our dinghy so can share spare parts mostly. Can’t beat the replacement cost! I would probably prefer diesels but I’m quite happy with my outboards! It would be nice to have more power generation however.
Thanks for posting and sharing. Very comprehensive.
I just found your channel today and I'm really excited about your Seawind content. I plan on getting one eventually.
Excellent choice! Thank you for doing all the research...
thanks for starting to cover pre delivery of your boat details. I find it interesting!
You made the right choice.
Most items/options, you can add later, after you're sailing.
The diesels obviously need to be part of the initial build.
So ya, good choice!
Good luck with the sail drives.
Obviously a straight shaft would be simpler and more robust, but it is what it is.
Hopefully they will be trouble free or as trouble free as sail boat stuff can be. 😀
Thank you for a very informative video. I currently have a 1985 cruiser with twin diesels. In years to come diesel may be harder to come by and much more expensive. As I aim to use my boat primarily on inland waterways and canals, i would look at replacing the engines with full electric ones combined with large battery bank and solar panels.
Good information and well presented. our 1160 just started are build and probably yours too. We chose the diesels as well as lithium. Looking forward to hearing other options you chose. I have a long list and just finalizing it. Maybe we’ll be on the same cargo ship and can save some $ so we can add more options. All the Best to you both are amazing
Great informative video on your decision process.
Bummer on the build delay! Our world is so screwed up with the Covid, you just have to learn patience! So glad you have decided on the Diesel engines. Your explanation of the options just helped you make this very important choice and, in the long run, should pay out Big time, especially if/when you sell. Loved your ending “out takes”! It shows how you kids are real and do disagree sometimes. Remind us every once in awhile any wedding plan ideas. We are so looking forward to that event!
What a roller coaster conversation!! It made me kinda of freak thinking about u getting the out boards. Once u said noise I was sold on the diesel!!
Great choice. Enjoying the channel. Tks for sharing.
great vid ... informative and you guys have done your homework well done
not a sailing boater, but a motor boater, and a massive outboard fan. I started this thinking outboards of course but you convinced me you made the right decision.
I think your content is great right now! So it isn't sailboat or sailing related, and I can't ever see myself spending time in a truck camper, you two are adorable and I am enjoying every bit of your content. Keep up the great work!
Since this is a blue water vessel for you two, I would choose the Yanmar Diesel. If it were going to be just a coastal cruiser then I would go with the middle choice outboard engine. The thing is with the distances you want to travel on this and the amount of time it will be in use you need to have the range of distance to be longer on a fill-up and needing fewer jerry cans. Also, because this is your home and the amount of time you will be using it, you will have more times to be in situations where you might need a little more power to get out of a situation that is not optimal. I don't know maybe your dragging towards a reef or whatever... LOL! I don't think I have ever seen you all have issues with dragging, but anyways. This thing will probably have some super good anchors on it too.
My wife and I had this conversation many years ago and like you we opted for diesel. We have never regretted that decision. The reliability and power verses fuel consumption made the extra thousands in cost we'll worth it. Proper maintenance is key to longevity.
Thank you for an entertaining video. I see your point picking diesels ....I just don't like saildrives....but if you live aboard the power generation capabilities of diesels will outweigh in the saildrives maintenance issues.
hiya nice little episode . i was giving a thought about the 1160 lite power plant options going with the upgraded out board and where the diesel inboards would normally go installing electric with the new seadrives and tesla battery bank .
Wish I had such tough decisions to make. The 600 mile range of the diesels and storage space where you can use it are some pretty compelling reasons. I hope you enjoy the new boat!
Yes.. I love the idea of an engine that requires very little maintenance. I have actually asked Nauti Open 46 to figure out a twin out option...
Good choice :-)
I would have done the same, the most important pros for me would be
1. Range
2. Electricity production
3. Noise
We have the outboards on our 1160Lite. You have converted all of the points very well. We cruised last season in Mexico. We are very happy with the additional sailing speed. We have the Honda 2200 generator and that has covered all of our power needs. We did just upgrade and double the solar capacity. That should reduce our time running the generator. Another purpose of an inboard is to heat up water. We have the propane on demand water heater and love it. The only time I would have liked to have the inboard diesels was our trip north from Mexico to California doing the Baja Bash. The downsides were fuel consuming/range and noise. We survived and I would do it again. We do plan on doing a pacific crossing, or canal transit. We will be pushed to sail more and be patient when need be. It is a sailboat, and a very good sailing boat at that.
Fun out takes at the end :-)
In my opinion You made the Right Choice with The Diesel inboard Engines! With ur needs and setup it just works... I enjoy your videos Big Fan! 😊👍⛵️
You guys are all over this. Just sold my SW. Thanks for driving up the resale $👍. Negatives we experienced with outboards:- cramped working space. Cavitation in rough conditions. Pros:- Legs lift out of the water, no anodes, cheap to replace, low weight, less thru-hulls. What are we looking for now? Either but, we are coast hoppers. If we were ocean crossers, I think we'd be looking at inboards. The leveller is the sail drive. Not a fan. Would prefer shaft drives. You are going to love your 1160.
What a blast making choices for a new boat!!! Our Max44SC will be completed Oct 2022 in Vietnam so may see you around, SV Stray Kitty. Get the diesel. You need large alternators to keep up with the boats electrical needs, 1/4 the fuel with diesel, easier and safer fuel storage, 3x life expectancy, way cheaper maintenance. If you can get the Hybrid Yanmar or Beta that is even better. Happy Cruising.
Great video. I would diesel as well but it's awsome watching the pros and cons.
Great job and great choice.
In my view, for liveaboard, adventuring, anchoring out sailors, the inboard has many advantages to offer. Not the least is hot water production for showering and dish rinsing, in addition to the electrical contribution, noise reduction, and range advantage, with a less volatile fuel.
Prop diameter has a big influence on the overall efficiency. You didn't mention this, but I suspect the diesel option comes with a larger prop diameter. This could make a big difference.
Excellent point Gary
Don't forget about grounding with the sail drive legs. The outboards will kick up in the event of grounding. I personally like the outboard option with lighter weight better sailing and the ability to carry more personal gear for cruising. Add a few solar panels to make up for the power needs.
I am freaking excited for you guys, Great video. I would do the diesel as well. Mainly for the electric production of the motor and distance it provides,
Enjoy the candid wackiness !!!!!!!! More please
Good to see you guys 👍
You should see what happened to the Gone with the Wynn’s lower cubbie, it snapped off during passage and they lost there life raft and were completely exposed to the ocean in there cabin area. It was about 3/4 videos ago, but this could happen to an outboard in ruff seas.
Good point! I wonder if they could also snap off? They are tucked up in the casing...interesting.
If we are talking 'what could happen, it is probably more likely that you sail over a log or container and rip out the saildrive. Having said that, I would go for the diesels as well for the same reasons mentioned.
Has this ever happened to a Seawind before?
@@carsonc1272 If the outboards did hit something I would think the leg release would bust before the mounting broke, which would allow the leg to pivot up.
If you are talking about a life-raft pod breaking off, the Seawind doesn't have a underslung pod like the leopard. It looked like Gone with the Wynn's pod was held on with four 1/2 inch bolts which just broke.
@@davidwood4427 I was asking about the outboards because I didn't think that issues with them were likely but didn't want to jump to any conclusions.
I say you made the right choice with the Yanmar diesel. I had an older version of the exact same engine (3ym30) on my 36 ft monohull sailboat and it was a very dependable workhorse. I motored a lot, anytime the winds were not favorable I didn't hesitate to turn on that engine. I spent 5 yrs mostly to/from and through the Bahamas every winter for 5 months a season. I kept an accurate fuel log and that engine consistently used 0.6 gal per hour, running at 2200-2400 rpm.
The Jetty Yawn at 10:18 was classic 😂
I have a 24' catamaran. Originally, the outboard was slung over the back beam, on a swing arm to go the more than 2' down to the water. This combo was too heavy that far back, even with the 4hp 2 stroke engine. So much cavitation too. I moved location to under the centre of the bridge deck and mounted the new 9.9hp 4 stroke in a nacelle made from the front half of a Dart 18 racing cat hull, which hangs one foot clear of the water. No slaming. Cavitation only happens in steep chop. Obviously this was a weighty addition. But having replaced the165kg 'one piece' fibreglass bridge deck/back beam with foam core deck and aluminium truss back beam, I've actually saved weight! Pitching is less too. Happy days.
Great video, and are some good options. I can see the outboards on a boat being used locally and not being sailed more than a couple of hundred miles from it's home port. But for a serious cruising vessel diesel if the only option. Though you didn't mention the differences in fuels as diesel can also be used to heat hot water through a hydronic heating system. as well as used to heat the boat in some more northern climates. Gasoline has a much evaporates too quickly creating a fire hazard which is never good on a boat, where as diesel fuel doesn't evaporate as quickly and has a higher flash point making it safer.
With Billy's experience with inboards ,the maintenance question would probably be more of an issue. Great choice and sorry to hear about the delay again. Just leaves you more time to see some of the amazing sites on terra firma.
Makes sense to pay for diesel up front and recoup some of the cost in other ares, areas you can add on later as funds allow. The usage of power would be the great benefit as liveaboards.
So your buying a 1160 lite, Nice choice, Looking forward to seeing you guys traveling around the world with that boat
Lmao, your outakes were hilarious. Options for my mindset is Luke this. I hate outboards, having said that I also owned any newer than my 1992 merc. You said you could get the same motor for your dinghy and that would be swappable but of course you'd have to change the lower unit as the dinghy would be a short leg. Now as I am a trucker, equipment operator to me diesel is tge only option and the pros far out weigh the cons. Having spent thousands of hours behind the din of a reliable diesel I am most comfortable with them to make sure I get there and back. Yes higher cost but greater reliability and since I have spent so many hours listening to equipment noise is huge for me. As quiet as possible is best for the long hours of running. Never understood my buddies with there loud pipes. I think you've made the right choice as resale is a huge factor.
P.s. that shot of Jetty yawning was priceless. Lol.
Definitely go the Yanmar/SailDrive route. I race on a Beneteau 36.7 with the Yanmar/SailDrive combo and it works great, even in reverse. I would recommend a feathering or folding prop to reduce the drag and the chance of snagging seaweed or lines.
I had a Yanmar saildrive in my 1984 sailbost.. it was a 2GM.. had the boat for 20 years. Never failed me. I'm a fan of Yanmars. Those are very good outboards, but if affordable.. I would go diesel.. yes, a lot easier to repower with the outboard, but with a Yanmar, repowering isn't likely
Nice overview of pros and cons of each but good choice on the diesel. I thought you might go with one of each, to stay on the fence 🤪
They definitely have their pro/con for each engine option. I can see someone going with the outboards if this was gonna be their weekend boat to go cruise around and what. For full time living with plans to cross the oceans the diesel definitely makes more sense for fuel availability, range, consumption, and their ability to charge up the house batteries much quicker. Not to mention you get more fuel onboard and more weight down low with the diesel option. It is a no brainer as they'll pay for themselves over their lifetime and in resale down the road. Having to haul the boat out for maintenace on the sail drives shouldnt be that big a factor seeing how you should probably be hauling the boat out every 1-1.5yr if you are full time and/or using it heavily to make sure the bottom is in good shape, clean and scrub, and repaint as needed. For your goals the diesel was the right choice for sure! Looking forward to the video about the electrical system and Billy's plans for the size and batteries he plans on using.
Good to hear that you took the Diesel engines. I would have picked the same because it’s worth it because you live full time on the boat
Great video and details. The most important question is did you get the BBQ - Hot Plate(Cookout)?
You made the right decision in my view. I have a 54 HP Yanmar in my boat and I absolutely love it. The boat, (and the engine) is 15 years old, so far I have no issues with it. (knock on wood). I had in the other hand, more problems with the outboards that we use in the dinghy for example. The range and electrical production alone makes it worth it, the extra weight of the diesels, plus the fact that are infinitely repairable, like you proved in the Bahamas. So, to me, no questions about it. Diesels all the way......keep that fuel clean, and you will have no problems!
Diesels for sure! Cruising range, HP, reliability 😉🙌
Good choice on the yanmar. The alternator options would have made up my mind and fuel distance.
Another option especially relevant to cats is to have one dedicated Onan diesel generator centrally located to provide electrical power for two pod drives and all house power. The pod drives are pure electric, fed by cables carrying medium-voltage AC power from the generator, and mounted on sterndrive-like leg attachments. The crazy weight and cost duplication of two diesels and huge battery bank weight is eliminated, through-hull shaft seal leak risks are eliminated, either leg can be retracted anytime for fouling clearing or drag elimination, you get smooth torquey serious electric drive power, and you can steer the boat by pointing the pods like a sterndrive unit in addition to using the rudder. ABB makes cruise ship pod drives, but smaller ones exist too.
Deisel definitely makes the most sense. However, on smaller boats under 30' outboard motors are really appealing. If I had all the money in the world to outfit a boat I might be tempted by electric motors. Lack of maintenance and the ability to remain longer off-grid is awesome, especially, given the recurring costs of fuel and maintenance. I'm sure you know better than me on such issues and to make it work you would have to jump through a lot of hoops for power production. Can't wait to see the new boat.
Great analysis and you made the correct choice😎
Hi Tula, I met you guys in Green Turtle a few springs ago. 42 ft Chris White Cat, German Shepard dog if that jogs your memory. I have those Yanmars 3YM 30 AE, they are great motors, very little drag when sailing with Flex-O-Fold 2 blades. Light air motor sailing 1-2 liters per hour with only one engine running. Research the alternator temp limits with lithium’s if you haven’t already. The Yanmars are a bit expensive to maintain parts wise if you follow their recommendations, which I do. Thanks for all the great videos. Ciao
Great presentation. I go by a simple rule.."buy cheap, buy twice" In the long run your investment in diesels will pay for the difference. Having large alternates being a big component of your overall electrical system is great. You hear all the time on sailing channels people upgrading to larger alternators, and not installing a full generator system. Good choice !!!!
What does this even mean? The Yamahas and Honda outboards are most likely more reliable and definitely come with far less maintenance. I get the alternator part but not the other stuff
Great Choice!
I'm thinking about maintenance I would go for the outboard motors, but diesel engine is a very good option too. If I got to choose I would do the Yammies 25hp. Good vibes you guys! 😎🤙🏻🤙🏻 Greetings from Arizona
Thanks for the info! Does SeaWind have an option for shaft drives? Does anyone make retractable sail drives for diesel engines to reduce drag?
Good choice! Power, range, longevity, fuel consumption make it a better choice. Also if you head to a cold climate you can add a diesel heater.
You guys are so much fun! 🌴:)
Agree with your choice, another factor to take into consideration is fuel quality, diesels with a racor and fuel filter will be way more reliable in areas where fuel quality is undetermined, I forsee many carb cleaning sessions with the outboards
Hey you guys!!!
Great job!
I really liked the comparison and would agree on diesel decision for all the same reasons.
However….. does the sail drive system concern you? I don’t like the two big holes in the bottom of the hull. Billy, don’t hit anything!
Best wishes. Visit the west side of Michigan!
So much different and better than Huron side.
Good choice! Totally worth it... having 2 decent power generators on board will be great.
Truck camper is fun to watch also 🤙/ bloopers at the end 👍
Very helpful! Just subscribed. Were you able to get the Yanmar diesels AND the lithium batteries? I’ve made a deposit on the 1160 Lite and the build options are showing that lithium batteries are only available with outboard options.
Go Tula! Thank You!
4 1/2 years with our 1160 Lite and Yamahas and I'm still very happy with that decision. That includes a fair # of blue water miles/long passages. The increased sailing speed + ability to clear a fouled prop have been the biggest benefits to date.
Hi Bob Scholtes.
Good that you mention Speed while sailing, that is totally missed in this video. What do you experience as extra speeds with lifted outboards compared to the diesel saildrives? It's not only the drag, but also the weight.
@@PieterOskam We've sailed with other 1160's with the diesels and are usually at least 1/2 to 1 kt faster for same sail plan and point of sail.
Curious if you still own the 1160?
I think it's good that you're going to end up with the diesel engines as much travel as you do the engines will be just fine but if you were just running around local the 25 horse will be just fine and you guys have a blessed day
When you consider the lifetime of the vessel? Diesel engines are more expensive upfront, but in the long run ( no pun intended ) are more cost efficient then gas outboards! Great video! Peace
Definitely diesel - saildrive props stay where they're needed during really bad sea conditions and the diesel alternator amps are needed for quicker recharging. ;-)
What Bob said holds for me.
One thing.
I agree. However the engine compartiment needs to be separate from the rest of the Hull.
In case of gasket failure at saildrive
@@thenarrator1984 it's a saildrive not a shaft through hull. Saildrives are sealed just like the lower unit of an outboard with non moving gaskets, not seals. They don't leak unless you rip one off.
@@h2opcs That's the issue with sail drives on Seawinds. Hitting large debris will dislodge the seals and flood the ENTIRE hull, not just the engine compartment as its not isolated from the hull.
@@h2opcs Steve you are a bit confused here, saildrive engine are a shaft through Hull but in a different way than the normal inboard engine, however they need to be installed in a watertight compartment like normal inboard engine but instead the propulsion to be horizontally is vertical, mainly like a thruster leg. The outboard engine are encapsulated and watertight so that is the reason why they called outboard, they can installed in an open compartment.
WOW THAT was great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how much weight can you put on the 1160 and not be over weight ?? lov the show
Ive had just about every kind of engine and it's Definitely worth having diesels when you're going through seas they don't bog down you don't have to keep adjusting the throttles
Think we agree too!
i would go with the diesels. you gave so many good PROS AND CONS, i really had to think. what i didn't really understand was, is it going to be a twin screw. also the diesels looked easy enough to get to and work on. also they put out lots of amps for charging your batteries. now as far as AC goes, i wouldn't own a boat like yours w/o it.
Yup, have to have the diesels. I've got twin 1990 cummins 210 in my trawler and they just keep on running and will always help with the resale value. I would not like the cavitation issues of outboards on any 25ft plus yacht in rough conditions when you may need to get out or away from trouble. 7 knots and a range of +600 miles with 400amps of charging is a winner in my book.
I like your truck camper videos, it's a cool change of pace, the Diesels have much more powerful alternator's and you could put higher than 120 amp alternators or even 2 per engine, however the Yamaha option is the easiest to service when the time comes.
I knew you would go diesel before you said it.
Diesel for sure . That added range can be a life saver for extensive off shore sailing. Racing is fun and less weight from outboards would be an issue there but, how often would you race anyway?
I also would have chosen diesel, but one thing I would mention about sail drives. They are what sinks a boat if you end up on a reef. My perfect boat would use a shaft like a mono hulls. Also if you like to beach your boat outboards are the way to go.
Very interesting think you made the best choice for you all sailing
Great explanation esp. concerning long term power. Diesel hands down.
Great discussion. My dealership is selling tbe first ever Sundancer outboard cruiser. I just put together a pros and cons....if you want me to send it to you, let me know:) looks like you both have already gone through the pros and cons:)
Sooo, I changed my mind based on another comment…….but I knew you would choose diesels. 😊
Based on Billy rebuilding a diesel on the stern of Adrenaline, I don’t think he would have problem with maintenance.
And outboards would have to be flushed with fresh water after use.
I think diesels is the right choice for you two……uh, sorry…..three 🐕
Love the bloopers ! 😃
Diesels for a full time live aboard situation. The electrical generating capability and fuel availability when traveling away from the US are my primary reasons.
Keep it going my friends…my favorite CZcams videos…..
Great choice!!
great video
Great informative video.
I'm looking at a Seawind 1190.
I'm looking at electrical engines.
There are lots of reasons.
I will be having extra solar panels.
So I hope.never to carry fuel and all the spares required for fuel engine. No problems.
Each time you start your desiel engine you need to do a wobbles check
Starboard side you need to lift the bed to do the check
This will be come very tiring
As access is difficult
It also allows me to carry extra water . 1000 litres of water means I don't need a water maker.
I'm also not having gas for cooking.
With an all electric boat it will be cheaper to run. Just saving the problems created to obtain fuel to me is worth it