The most effective techniques to fight in Tomiki Aikido - part 1
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I think Tomiki (Shodokan) aikido is the most effective form of aikido as they've come up with such sparring practices...
Why isn't THIS the more popular aikido???
@Coca-Cooler Puedes que tenga razon...
Part of it is that other aikido styles say it's bad aikido... and everyone else says it's bad judo. I think they deserve a bit more credit than that... If it were available where I live, I would gladly learn this style (though, alongside MMA/JKD.)
Because there is already an evolved version of this. Judo.
@@Xpegasu actually Tomiki/Shodokan is a straight mixture of DaitoRyu JuJutsu and Judo, as Kenji Tomiki was a student of both Jigaro Kano, Judo founder, and Ueshiba when he was still teaching under the Daito/AikiJuJutsu name, before he spun off and re branded to Aikido, using the basic principles of Aiki but also adding in the rules for competition and some techniques straight from the Judo Nago No Kata to his own Randori No Kata.
@@Xpegasu Judo has a different ruleset that prohibits some of the moves being used here.
There are three HUGE LESSONS we can takeaway from Tomiki / Shodokan competition aikido:
1 -- Competition is VITAL to all martial arts. It's where the talk stops and what is actually effective rises to the surface.
2 -- If you are in a knife fight you are going to get stabbed on average 5 times or MORE. 2-a. :DON'T ever get in a knife-fight!
3 -- You don't need 50 techniques. You only need about 5 that you are really good at and are SIMPLE and effective! 3-a: SIMPLE techniques are ALWAYS better: "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." -- Bruce Lee.
I wish we had Tomiki Aikido here in Germany - would sign-up immediately!
It really is "Where the rubber meets the road" - all other aikidos are "demonstration aikidos" or worse; "dance katas".
1. i would change it to say that competition isn't vital. but actual full on use of your techniques in a match probably is.
2. agreed.
3. agreed.
I study both Akido from the Fugakukai lineage (an offshoot of Tomiki Aikido) and Judo. I think they should combine them both and call it AikiJudo and have the full spectrum of techniques in competitions such as toshu randori.
Judoki or ajudoki these are my suggestion names
did you ever study directly under Karl Geis?
@@HagerTX Just at a clinic before he passed away. I studied under Nick Lowry mostly. I haven't been to the dojo since I injured my back a couple years ago. No fault of practicing...just degenerative disc and old age.
@@HagerTXI did years ago until I left Houston in 96
Here, as in any sporting match, there are a number of limitations to avoid injury.
The purpose of a sport competition is to show the dynamics of Aikido, using the opponent's movement and not the application aspect of Aikido (rubber knife is a conditional weapon that allows you to keep distance between the opponents). Здесь, как и в любом спортивном состязании, есть ряд ограничений, чтобы избежать травм.
Цель спортивного поединка-показать динамику Айкидо, используя движение противника, а не прикладной аспект Айкидо (резиновый нож-это условное оружие, которое позволяет держать дистанцию между противниками).
I think it is most effective style of Aikido
Is there no defense against the all mighty dilldo?
Martocrates Caesar lol I though it was a paintbrush. I think a dildo fits better in this whole situation.
Why don't you pull out the one have shoved up your arse and see?
just bent over
Ahahahahahahahahahaha
your ass hole?
3:13 nicely done.
Seems like the real deal. I would gladly learn it if it was available at my town.
They should do it with a colored marking tip... preferably red.
Yes there are some fancy throws there... pretty much all at the expense of a fatal stab/slash wound.
You have expected stabs and slash during a knife counters.
I think the point is to teach strategy and how to found momentum to do the technique in a stressful stituation.
@@carlosluismendez7392 But they are dead or severely injured that's not good technique if you're dead.
I respect Aikidokas that spar instead of just doing katas/practicing without resistance. I hope this style gets more traction.
What on earth is that fuzzy stick they are holding? Is it supposed to represent a knife? They are all dead. Four or five stabs before an awkward throw.
Its a knife but it isnt there to practise kbife defences. Most practicioners were high level judoka and would resolve to using Judo instinctively. So the dummy knife was introduced to maintain the distence.
Some of this stuff looks insanely dangerous to be sparring such as the move at 3:23 where the girl hands on an arm and then fall on it. Aikido from the looks of your description is very dogmatic in what it's trying to achieve so people would use judo because it's so effective and as a sport........... safer!
Thats why you musn't let americans watch traditional martial arts, they only can thinks in mma and wrestling. 😂
It's referred to as a Tanto or knife but in practicality its a scoring batton and the competition techniques are somewhat removed from the ones shown in the weapons sections, usually made safer for the one holding the "knife" but less safe for the defender.
Pressure testing through competition teaches things that cannot be taught with just learning kata.
In most of the clips, the tori got 'stabbed' several times until they could execute a throw. lol
I don't get the rules though. Why does it seem like the attacker just stands there once the wrist is grabbed? Are they not allowed to retreat or attempt to escape the grab?
Once gripped the person with the tanto is allowed to counter with atemi waza techniques only. The person without the tanto is allowed to use 17 techniques, including armlock, wrist locks and atemi.
Aikido techniques are dangerous. Like joints attack etc. Good to hold aggressive attacker without bitting crap out of him.Some.weapon figjts. I would mix it with some bjj and muay thai and some european old.weapon schools.
This video doesn't show the advantages of knowing aikido in the real world at all. If you are in a pub/high street fight etc and get grabbed by someone, either from the front or behind and you know aikido, I guarantee you will will be able to put them on their back, and they will be in a lot of discomfort. Speaking as an ex Police Officer who only got the first two belts, I can vouch for this martial art as being very effective indeed, and that it can totally change the point of view of aggressive people. Ever seen a yob being led away by police with his arm half way up his back ? Aikido, he can't move that arm at all and is very uncomfortable.
couldn't you just use BJJ/Judo grip breaks to do the same thing though?
@@user-nb8dm1gz2tSure you can. They're both very similar in principle and have a lot of techniques in common.
They just vary in mindset in focus. Judo and Tomiki Aikido focus standing up, learning how to take falls to minimize the pain and damage, and upper body focused submissions. Jiu jitsu focuses a lot on the ground game and is way more refined than the former two, and they allow leg locks too, but you'll find that their stand up is horrible and the only ones who dont get thrown around are ex-wrestlers and judoka
comment on my last comment... all im saying that even for superior master of any self defence practioner... real knife attack is a real life and death situation... and its no joke even if the attacker is really drunk or something
Awesome waki-gatame at 1:32 !
Funny how it doesn't resemble the regular or kata form of aikido... so what's the use of those demonstrations if they're not even close to what it would look like in a real situation
Isn’t the regular aikido taught only as demonstration with no sparing? This video with sparing looks like it teaches how to use the actual skills. Just my observation
@@mick2spic good point I really dont know...but it looks quite different than classical aikido..so maybe more aikido school need some type of randori
Interesante reflexión. Te explico: las técnicas de entrenamiento son como estudiar frases de un idioma, onproblemas de matemáticas, sirven para desarrollar una destreza, no porque se vayan a aplicar exactamente igual en la vida. La gente que considera que el aikido no es eficaz es porque creen que la idea es aplicar las técnicas exactas en la calle, y no es así. Lo ideal es atacar en cuanto haya ocasión, y si toca defenderse, hacer lo más rápido y contundente posible
I see Aikido, and that's fine, but this competition is going to create some serious knife fighters...
There seems to be something in the rules preventing them from doing the "prison shank". They stick their knife hand out first even though most martial artists agree the best way is to stick the empty hand out first to set up the stabs.
@@MaxLohMusic Yeah I'm sure that's not permitted XD
It should, though...
Arm-bar at about 2:53 is well done
AWE-SOME textbook sokumen-irimi-nage at 3:13 !
@H K Phooey You're probably right - I use the Aiki-Kai terminology.
I just found out that there's different style in aikido wow.
Excelente nivel!
what name of this music ? it's really great
Công Phạm tsuna awakens theme
Even if I practice aikido i cant understand what they are doing.
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1:33 good move after it all looks like clumbsy judo, lots of drop seoi nage, morote gari etc...
+Sandra Stupakova Because the proponent of combat sports aikido (Tomiki Kenji) is also a judoka.It is like Judo throws with Aikido locks
Sandra Stupakova This is really some sort of very limited Judo with frustrated Aikido atempts... there is no Aikido foot work at all it is pure save your self bouncing and running all over the place...
@@cocontreras most of the Aikido that you see is not responding to a committed attack and with resistance.
Amateur Judo looks like clumsy judo too.
I hatre to be ignorant but what is the baton for?
call an ambulance. I see so many cuttings. There is almost no good defence against knife attacks. This looks like sport knife attacking.
I'm sure everyone of those Aikido players got killed...
I know this is four years late but cuts to the sides of your arm or near the shoulder don't kill.
How long would this take to learn to become decent at street self defense compared to how long it would take to learn judo for self defense? And which one would be more effective on the street?
This is basically judo, but watered down. Still way better than regular aikido. I would recomend Kodokan style judo if you can find a place that teaches it.
Seems like everyone doesn't care about the knife. Then what is the point to have the stick? I have seen only one person defended that knife and did submission 1:33. Everyone else, they're stabbed several times and in real situation, they are about to bleed to death and no time for throw.
So having the knife basically means you lose right?
You aren't allowed to apply techniques with the knife (except if the opponent grabs you with both hands, then you can do counter techniques).
But the most common way to score points with the knife is to stab (within rules, i.e. with forward momentum, right distance and on the restricted upper body area). Of course, the knife switches to the other after 1'30''.
As a practitioner, I first thought competitions would be interesting. But looking at it now, obviously, aikido is just too dangerous. Some of those locks must have hurt real bad.
Caio P. There is no way Tory can hurt Uke with such lame combat skills...
@@cocontreras the version of Mae otoshi that the UK team often favour - if done even slightly wrong and come very close to breaking elbows. They got warned about it so many times in the 2015 World championships but sadly only one judge called them and even penalised them once - despite coming close to injury multiple opponents. The randori tournament winner almost broke one of my instructors elbows - even though he wasn't at all trying to do the banned version of the take down. Done tight and right across the body with a high spin rate there is no safe fall or defense to the technique done this way - and you are trusting your opponent is going all out to win and dipping into banned moves. Finally it takes a lot of skill to win against a skilled, resisting opponent whilst you are trying not to harm your opponent. From years in kyokushian karate - a very hard style in the 80s - believe me a big throw in our aikido can leave you stunned and/or concussed if you don't the fall well.
Only a few got it right without a scratch
do they have ground they have ground technique as well to finish it on?
quickstep yes; not in competition though.
do you guys not realize that a knife WILL cut you even if there isn't power behind the strike.
So? Cuts don't usually kill, certainly not those with little power in them. Even if someone stabs you with a knife it's possible to keep fighting, people tend to until the stab wounds hit double digits, it isn't game over the second a knife touches you.
That said, aikido won't teach you to protect yourself against a knife (or anything else) and what is shown here mostly just looks like bad judo.
In overage, people who died during attack knife have get hit 10 times.
1 hit, you probably dont will die.
It isn't a knife fight though, it's not and never was meant to be a knife fight and shouldn't be confused with one. It's a sport and nobody is saying if you find yourself up against someone with a real knife who's trying to kill you do this. Take it for what it is, a sport.
I've long suspected that the moves of Aikido arent the problem, its the training philosophy.
Dang!
Textbook waki-gatame at 1:32 .. I didn't think that was possible!
1:33 wasn't hit
Hijikimeosae
that was beautiful executed
Gostei bem próximo da realidade
The training is appreciated but ...this is a knife defending competition where the defender gets stabbed and still does the throws...well if defender gets stabbed how can he execute the throws? So this is still quite unrealistic... The defender should exert his best efforts and use his shiho nages etc to prevent getting stabbed...the attacker also seems not to know how to stab or use a knife in combat...the defender should lose in case he gets stabbed in a vital body part...but this is better than merely doing aikido randoris. I am a black belt in aikido and I know the drill...aikido has to be complemented with judo, boxing, Muay Thai, FMA so it will be a practical martial art.
pourquoi pas allez voir le yoseikan budo ....
So basically, weaker judo?
Most useless martial art ever.Totally unrealistic.The second you get cut with a real knife all of this goes out the window.What kind of knife attack allows the defender to continue the fight without any injuries??...Ginme a break
The stick isn't supposed to be a knife. It only exists to maintain distance. There is sparring without it.
Because this is a sport Version
I agree *BUT* because we have the competition now we can talk about it and see what actually works (if at all). That's why I think no matter how dumb it may look, this kind of competition should keep going on...like forever! And if you have ever done aikido or judo you will really appreciate this. You can really see how some techniques do actually work, and the bullshit techniques go out the window. (even if they do get stabbed on average 5 times!)
I could never understand why they cant just kick or punch the attacker. Grappling against a knife doesnt seem like a good idea.
Too close for comfort imo.
Because it's not a street fight, it's a sport, with specific rules, just like you can't kick or punch in rugby ^^
@@GaminGeek1811 great answer
@Random Brandon that's right
If someone can stop an armed attacker without strikes in a full contact sparring, it will be much easier to defend themselves in a real life situation with using strikes beside wrist bending techiques
@@GaminGeek1811 @Random Brandon @Mazzart Comix @Carlos luis Méndez Its because you arent going to outstrike someone with a knife unless you are a complete pro striker, they have range and power on you. Developing the skills to outgrapple them is a safer bet. Also I would bet that 90% of these guys practice some kind of karate or kickboxing. If they do, they can use both in a real fight.
u have to practice knife defence like sparring in boxing or judo.... otherwise u gonna get false courage of ur skills and ur gonna get bleed to death if u rely on ur false skills.... In practice or in competition in tomiki aikido u will get stabbed for sure, but in real life the attaker doesnt know what u know or how u practice knife defences...by the way i dont practice aikido of any kind.... just BJJ, JUDO and MMA and i hope ill never get attacked with a knife
This is just a false statement all this is doing is giving someone the false confidence they can defend against a knife.
what's that thing in their hand
+deadbirdy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shodokan_Aikido
Its a sponge tube that is supposed to represent a knife or tanto....
My Glock is the real AIkido.
saint seiya omega song makes the video greater
Looks a little like judo
Yeah, all the good parts look like Judo :P
Who is the guy that appears at 1:48 ?
J Eijbers the thrower? Konaka san
la première fois que je vois sa , le fondateur doit ce retourné dans sa tombe ,faire de la compétition d'aikido qui puis est ,je ne vois rien d'aikido la dedans juste lamentable enfin bref
This looks more real, more effective than Judo and Jujitsu.
Yeah it is
i wonder how many of these guys are actually judokas
Quite a few, lots of tomiki practitioners also train judo as well. Tomiki himself was one of kanos top judokas before being sent by kano to train with ueshiba before he went on to create tomiki or shodakan akido as its otherwise known as. The two arts are sisters really. It's judo as a distance if you like. So that tanto creates a bit of distance. We can't grab the gi like a judoka would because then it would just become judo so this gets you thinking in a different way. When you really look at a lot of the throws the movements are same. So it gets you doi g them in a different way where you are not grabbing the gi or coming in that close.
song pls
Elang Zulfikar tsuna awakens
theme
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Что они интим изделиями друг в друга тыкают и потом продолжают "атаку" или нападения ...
Если у человека в руках будет нож , они все трупы
se aquele bastão fosse uma faca todos eles teriam sido esfaqueados
What I see...
80% Judo
20% Aikido
Judo = 0% tackle (prohibited by international rules)
Tomiki Aikido = 30% tackle (front strike, lower stage strike, facing strike, reverse strike, back strike)
@@user-ss3us7mc4c Yeah because Kodokan waterdowned Judo in order to be included in Olympics. Back then Judo was a rough art with Newaza (groundworks) which common in BJJ but cannot be seen in today's Judo.
@@spitzfire1107
It also applies to Aikido.
However, I don't think BJJ is a throwback to old jiu-jitsu.
The traditional old jiu-jitsu training method is just repeating forms like aikido.
But that alone doesn't make many people strong. As a result, judo, which incorporates sports rules and competes, beats traditional jiu-jitsu. Today, many schools of Aikido do not have matches because they have met the needs of those seeking a return from judo to traditional kata training.
One thing I can say for certain is that matchmaking, no matter what the rules, is a good way to raise the average player's level.
Thank you for your reply.
Bad judo
Many of these techniques are not allowed in judo (touching the face, joint locks as takedowns, etc.) I think a better term is "limited grappling."
josh... go fuck yourself
the aikido in demo is so much different than the one in real fight. in demo, it shows aikido is about using foot movement to counter weight, but in real fight, it is about using your body mass to throw your opponent to the ground. in practice aikido looks no different than judo
This style is for a a-kiddo. get it a akiddo
This is just another example of why the entire concept of Aikido is ridiculous.
I see very little, if any, blending with an attack, and that's because in the real world, it's damn near impossible to see and blend with an attack before that attack lands. Attacks just come too fast for that.
At most, like boxers, you might be able to slip a punch, but I have yet to see any aikido practitioner be able to regularly apply their technique in actual real world sparring the way they practice in the dojo.
I saw more Judo technique than aikido technique.
Thanks for the upload, regardless.
Hagen Steele The dojos you mention are a "controlled environment", to learn the technique. Just like a boxer practices shadow boxing, speed bags, heavy bags etc. You're learning the motions, because if all you ever did was spar you'd be a brawler but not likely, a competent boxer. No one that I've ran into while studying Aikido, has honestly thought in a self defense situation, that executing a technique would be as easy as it is in a demonstration. I think this is where people outside the art, often misinterpret the forms themselves since they're more principals of taking your opponents balance rather than outright technique. Anyway I've rambled enough, not trying to attack your comment, but rather provide some insight.
Chris Demaree
Right, but the problem is that those forms and motions taught and learned in the controlled setting are largely irrelevant in the real world due to the unrealistic ranges they are trained at in the dojo.
Regardless, at least these guys are sparring, which can't be said about most Aikido styles.
+Hagen Steele Blending with an attack is real, but it's definitely fucking hard. I am lucky enough to have small children who are willing and complaisant to hit me with sticklike objects when we play; they are big enough to swing very hard but young enough that they don't know how to hold back. There is no way to train blending with an attack, Musashi/Takuan style, if you don't train it against people who are trying as hard as they can to hit you and hurt you.
BTW, I don't do Aiki.
+Hagen Steele "I see very little, if any, blending with an attack"
Isn't it weird how when you put two people together who both train to fight in the same venue, almost none of their techniques look as clean as they do in practice? It's almost as if they both know what the other one's trying to do and are taking action to spoil each other's plans.
Fned Tolfsen That's not the case in boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ, wrestling, or Judo.
In those arts, the execution is EXACTLY the same as in training.
This is why the entire concept of Aikido is a fallacy, as it is clearly proven to be largely ineffective against a resisting opponent, and every video posted blatantly proves that fact.
These Tomiki vids look more like sloppy amateur Judo than anything else.
Looks more like Judo but sloppy
How good will your judo look when you have to do it without grabbing the and starting from a distance. What people don't realise is the arts are sisters. When you strip it down many techniques are the same but you are doing them from a different perspective. A lot of tomiki guys also practice judo. But yet they still look sloppy as put it.
Бред. С реальным ножом всё закончится быстро,и с распоротым животом
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y asi se van a la chucha las artes marciales ,con quieres ganarle a alguien mas .
I love Aikido but this has no sense...if you want practice a sport is better boxe,mma or other...you make "tanto-randori" and i see tori often attack uke(with tanto) like a buffalo..there aren't tori that move their body out of attack line maybe because know is a fake knife...anyway a lot of aikido techniques are very dangerous so you can't use in a tournament.
+reyan666 You're right, trying to make competition or tournement for Aikido is an insult to O'sensei.
@@ryubudo1558 the person who devised this style of aikido was one of ushiba's top students and did so with his approval.
This is just homophobic judo
Of course. Missile shootouts are the most heterosexual fights.