Citroën 2CV | Buyer's Guide
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- Hagerty’s Editor-at-Large Sam Smith explores what makes the Citroën 2CV such a wonderfully strange car to own and tells you everything you need to know about buying, owning, and loving this unique car.
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2cv is like the dad of the family. Simple, determined, doesnt care for himself but provides everything for his family and never stops working!
And we love him for it
Very much so
Thank God for Good Dads!!!
Not my dad
Such a great comment.
Last month my dad was driving his beautiful white 2CV in the French countryside. A white Tesla was behind and passed us in a breeze. The smile in the faces of people when they see a 2CV is priceless. Anyhow, for fun my father started to accelerate and pushed this sweet little car to a roaring 100km/h (62mph) and we passed back the Tesla.💪🏻😳 The little 2CV was squeaking but regain her historic place on the French roads and in our hearts… rightfully in front.❤
👍👍
Long long ago, I drove a 2CV on a 5-day road trip in the Mediterranean regions. The 1st hour was a big driver adjustment. But after 4 hours, I was amazed by the ride, stability, and mechano- everything in this car. It was verrrry slow on the highway, but simply the greatest for the rough and very narrow roads in villages. The roll was very great, but also much fun. After 5 days, I loved this car. It was perfect for the med climate and road conditions. It enabled exploration of villages I would not have ventured in a pricey car. Slow going with top rolled back on perfect sunny days, soaking in ambience, flavours, sights, gave the trip of a lifetime. I was so sad when the trip ended.
I was hitchhiking through France many moons ago and got a lift from a farmer in one of these, when you get used to the floating aspect of the drive it’s a great experience and who cares how slow it is.
Well, it wasn't built to win races, but it's so cool. I kind of want to park this one next to a Chiron with the same color scheme.
@@BlueRidgePhantom EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT 👋👏👏👋
Slow feels fast in these!
Exactly
A few details: the later models had 602cc's. The openings into the front wings are not to suck in fresh air but to push out hot air. The chassis of this car is an aftermarket chassis, not a Citroën one. The original chassis has a very different construction.
I’ve just watched this video and, whilst I loved it, you have mentioned the major inaccuracies I also noticed. I would also add that the suspension cylinders actually contain 2 coil springs on each side....one for each wheel. I have an English market, here is Australia, RHD Dyane.
In Netherlands you can get original chassis new, as some people purchased all the tools from Citroen when they stopped making them. All parts including refurbished engines and gearboxes are available as well. The 652cc upgrade with proper carburator jetting makes it easy to keep up with modern traffic.
@@rolandleusden Burton I think.... they are on the web.
@@paulscountrygarage9180 And they do not make all power down low, max torque is at around 4000 rpm, max bhp is 6750 rpm.
@@johndilloway9762 5750 for a 602
Seeing a Hellcat in the background while discussing the 2CV engine made me smile.
Same!
Truly the Yin and the Yang of motoring.
This video made me very happy.
My first car was a white and grey 2CV Dolly.
I always refer to it as 602cc of throbbing power.
It is to this day the most fun car that I have ever owned.
The first day that I owned it, to get used to it, I drove my friends Dave and Mark around the country pubs of Berkshire with the roof rolled back. As they got slightly merry on the local beers, I got sunburn on my forehead.
The 2CV, at least my one :-), definitely did more than 80 mph. Down hill of course.
In 1995 I traveled north to Scotland to spend Christmas with my mother. On the M6 motorway, on the long downhill Shap Fell section, I overtook several other cars, the needle on the speedo was firmly stuck against the stop on the speedometer. I looked to the side as I overtook one car and saw the horror in the drivers face as he saw me overtaking him. If anything had gone wrong I would have died :-)
I am sill here.
Great video. I have owned three 2CVs and I'm looking forward to buying another in a few years time, once I have finished restoring my house. I can confirm everything that Sam Smith says about the car. Each of mine disintegrated because of rust, but mechanically they were in good order. Starting can be a problem: you need to change the spark plug leads every year, and maybe keep a spare coil handy. Here in France many 2CV owners have installed electronic ignition which solves a lot of problems. The only criticism of this video is about the last minutes: my guess is that Sam had forgotten to push the choke all the way back home once the engine had got well started. The choke is almost out of sight down in the corner, so easy to forget about. The engine does not like to be driven with such a rich mixture. I have made this mistake many times, but always managed to correct it, and never needed to push the car along the road. I've driven them in all sorts of weather, including torrential rain, and heavy snow, and they always got me home. Driving a 2CV is a source of pure joy: like sailing on tarmac, or camping in wheels. C'est vraiment génial!
bad video, he has no clue on the 2cv..check out his suspension description...
This neat Charleston yellow model,reaches frequently more than 10 000 Euros in France.Excellent job done,funny as hell ,and respectful.
- Under fenders is engine cooling air exhaust
- Coil is there, because it keeps cool there
- Inboard brakes because front suspension arms are hinged at rear. With outboard brakes braking action would force nose up, and front wheels to rotate under the car.
- The suspension pots under the car have two springs inside them. One to front wheel, and one to rear. The pot itself is also suspended with rubber cones at each end. The idea is that 2cv does not have roll bars that limit leaning side to side, but has these additional rubber springs that enhance leaning front to aft. It's genious!
I have always wanted one. I met two French girls in Corfu in 1970 and I fell in love with their car. Before that, there was a Citroën and a Volkswagon dealers on Burrard Street nearly next to each other in downtown Vancouver. The 2CV was $1600 and the VW Bug was $2400. I may never own a 2CV but I can dream. I did own a '57 VW in the mid '70s which cost me $50. I managed to keep it alive for quite a while until it was condemned and then I sold it for $50. 2CV were always rare birds here in the Great White North.
This is the most I’ve smiled while watching an automotive video in weeks. Sam Smith, you’re overtaking Cammisa! Brilliant, hilarious stuff.
My first car after graduating was a '76 2CV6...it was knackered. But 3 of us drove from London to Calais, Le Mans, Nantes, Bordeaux, San Sebastian, Burgos, Madrid, Albecete, Alicante, Valencia, Tarragona, Barcelona, Perpignan, Clermond-Ferrand, Reims, Calais and back to London. Rarely above 40MPH, slipstreaming trucks was a great way to build speed as long as you don't then try to overtake the truck! Crawled uphill to Madrid in first gear, passengers walking alongside with bags as we were overtaken by trucks in crawler gear! Unforgettable experience and it teaches you how to fine-tune your sense of time, speed and distance. I'd buy another tomorrow.
They say don’t meet you heroes. I’ve been a huge fan of Sam’s writing for a long time and he is outstanding as a presenter. This show is an absolute gem, great job Hagerty!
except that the only thing he got righ was the name :-D the rest is wrong, totally wrong
My mother remember her orange 2CV fondly till this day, decades after she had hers. I'm a car guy and fix cars, so maybe one day I can get her in one again
I was born in a 2cv in the way to hospital, i grew up with it and learn mechanics on it when i was 8, my dad owns and works on 2cv's for almost 40 years , now we have a Citroën visa ❤
such an amazing car 😍🙏
Sounds like my life too, but i made it to hospital :)
In any other car, you would have made it to the hospital in time ..
I adore my little 63 2cv daily which is why I've made a ton of videos about them and enjoyed this one very much. Sam as usual you were brilliant but almost every CC quoted was incorrect 602(2cv6) was the biggest sold although big barrel kits are available aftermarket and a 1966 2cv would be a 425cc
He was right about the first model having 375 cc's ;-)
@@CaptainKrimson very true
@@CaptainKrimson and that it hadf 4 radial tyres and two cylinders..the rest is pure nonsense...Too many errors to list.
@@meharidude That's why I listed the thing that was correct ;-)
Oliver Pickard videos are excellent source of info on 2cvs.
Max speed should be around 120km for a 91 model with a near 30HP. I wish it was still produced today. FWD, farmers friend. Fuel efficiency unmatched. The Citro 2CV is a gift.
I love my 1956 2CV AZL! I can take it offroad, I can disassemble it in an hour with common tools, I can use the seats as picnic benches, and it takes unleaded just fine!
These are absolutely not available where I live, but I still enjoyed the video ❤️
My mum had three of these over my childhood. I managed to be car sick in it.., I ate a multipack of fizzy chewits that my grandad gave me, and hurled all over the back of the car on the way home. I love these cars so much. So
many memories.
Hello from Ireland 🇮🇪 fond memories of seeing these bouncing along rough Irish roads 😜 great review I know of one abandoned not far from me in a hedge row beside a house with other interesting cars I'm going to try and make contact this spring overall exterior looks ok wish me luck ☘️
When my father was stationed in W. Germany in '85, we used to see these on the road. We used to laugh at them so much.
Not 675cc though, 602cc was its biggest standard size.
Citroëns are so silly that you just have to love them🇫🇷 ♥️🇫🇷
I love to do a burnout with my C3 citroen
😊
I had an old 2CV4 with the small 500cc engine, not the 2CV6, mine was a 66 model.
Loved it, so sad I don't have it anymore. Maybe I'll find one again one day. So very comfortable indeed.
602 engine earlier had 375, 425 or 435.
2cv 4 its only in 425 ccm3 and 435 ccm3
I own a dyane 4 /(435 ccm3) 25 horsepower 2cv fiscal in France and technically identical to a 2cv 4/(435 ccm3) because the dyane derives from the 2cv same chassis and undercarriages not the same bodywork and the 2cv 6 and in 602 ccm3 and 3cv fiscal 32 horses in France I live in France there is the 652 ccm3 for the Citroën visa also in fiscal 3cv 48 horses and electronic ignition for the Visa
for the other version of this engine the original engine and 375 ccm3 and 18 horses for 2cv fiscal
@@guillaumetauziat644 In Switzerland it was called a 500cc even though it was not. The insurance and taxes are based on the engine size, below a certain size. So this was one just below 500. Depends on the canton you live as well.
You are right the same engines were in the dyane as well, a bigger car. I miss it. I also owned a 1200cc GS model, had the ride of the DS as well, super brakes. Wondered how that engine fitted in the 2CV would have been.
But in Switzerland everything is forbidden, you can't change a thing which is just horrible.
@@rjung_ch google sidewinder Dyane. Basically a 1015cc engine from an Ami super and chassis in a Dyane!
@@simes205 I googled it, it's beautiful. Looks like a bunch of fun and sounds great.
The very early models are where it’s at. Iconic, collectable, and rare.
But if you want to actually drive the car, get a late model one. They are the only ones that can be safely driven in modern traffic.
@@bobmcl2406 425 and 435cc examples have enough power for around town - poor 6v turn signals and brake/tail lights are more of a worry. Obviously they can't go near a big highway, as they run out of power after 50mph, and they're very slow on hills.
@@srw1111 yes, very true. Especially the 435cc. It gets shorter gearing than a 602, so it is great around town.
It was 602 not 675 . You cane get a cylinder update kit to make it 652 cc .
You Tuber Hub nut has it on Elly.
I have always loved the "Tin Snail". In my list of top ten favourite cars, Citroën made five of them.
The "big block" engine is 602cc, not 675cc as stated in this video. Oh, and those tubes in the wheel wells are heater air exits, not intakes. But everything you said about how wonderful these are to own and drive is spot on!
Know this a late, late reply - but Burton Industries (England) does have an 'upgrade' kit that increases capacity to 652cc's and a 9.0:1 compression ratio. French Parts Service (Seattle, WA) carries then here for the US Market. We have an 85 Charleston and along with our other Cits (V6 XM and two D's) still love that little beast - even for long drives.
652cc is indeed available a an upgrade kit as such to the 2cv’s, however the “real” 652 engine was the very last version of this type of engine. It had numerous new updates, like 3 bearings in the crankshaft instead of two, and other equally big changes, like sensors, electronics, cylinder ribs and cooling, mountingplate. It could be installed on the 2cv if someone wanted the upgraded engine type, but some machining would be needed. Was not availble for the 2cv, but for later models using the 2cv engine type and those where LN & Oltsit, Axel and the Visa, and btw those the engine had some differences, e.g. Inboard brakes where not possible to mount on the Visa model, but still being used on some of the other models. Other than that the 652 upgrade kit can include a sport camshaft where the engine then provides 48 hp. Also a low compression 670cc kit is available that enables using 85 octane. There is also a conversionkit allowing to use the 4 cylinder Citroen GS / Ami Super boxer engine, that can be tuned to 130 hp if really wanted. Finally, i do like the elegant conversionkit to use the BMW motorcycle flat twins, brings up to 98 hp, for the ultimate and super robust 2cv racing sleeper experience that can surprise people and go really fast at green light. For environmentslists the ev kit is also available
Great review from someone who appreciates a genius design! 👏👏
Like the 2CV, a little crazy - but I liked it! Having owned 2, many years ago, here in the UK, I plan to buy one again next week for a bit of fun in my 77th year - older that the 2CV! I loved this comment under another 2CV video - "My mother owned one for many years and never had any problems with traffic jams - being always at the front. 🙂
Am not so sure I like this review. Had a few of these in my life from 12.5hp to 16hp and then I maxed out at 23hp with a yellow 2CV 4 Special. The 2CV6 with 29hp is a race car, you just need to know how to drive her and keep up the momentum. Important missing points in this review: the soft top, the tool-less removable doors and hood and boot. It becomes the most capable "thing" carrier in seconds. It needs to be said that the rear bench and the front seats can be taken out in an instant without tools so you can always enjoy the best seat watching the stars or the campfire. There is also no mention of the cooling flap, not something present in many cars. And its off-road and snow capabilities. And the presence of the hand crank. The most important tool when in deep trouble. The 2CV is so versatile and practical, there was no real need to invent another car. Could it be engineered today? No, not even by the French. This thing somehow "just happened".
I have just bought one, number two, 47 years after I bought the first one.
Looking forward to restauring, driving and maintaining the 1981 model.
Will be called orange, since that is the colour, very orange😊
7:34 um, that is NOT a 2CV shock. That is something with leaf springs and an old-school live solid axle!
i saw that too lol
Definite modification to the rear suspension (although the dampers to the original spring tubes seem to still be connected?) I can't think of any reason why someone would bother doing this. The leaf springs and axle are totally alien to the A series design.
As an Argentine-American, I had the privilege of growing up in a place that actually built those pretty things. Well, they made the 3CV (but that would fit into splitting hairs). I had family members who had them. It was neat. The thing we all did as kids there was to walk up to one and grab the front bumper and just push up and down (it would go up and down what seemed like two feet of travel. ) memories...
"You go everywhere in a 2CV flat out". 😂
And only back off when the wing mirrors are scraping the road on bends...
I have owned my Charleston 2CV for 30 years! I LOVE this car!!! What the driver says about this super little vehicle is true. It gets many "smile per mile". If you own one you must be prepared to answer a boatload of questions any time you stop. NO matter if it is a stoplight or lunch under a shade tree, you are sometimes deluged with onlookers with questions. To help me cope with the questions I designed a one page description with humor to hand out to those that express interest . However, for me, it is a sad day. Due to health I cannot drive safely and must sell my baby. It only has 18,000 miles on him! Someone will be a happy camper.
Hello so have you sold your 2cv Charleston?
I had a few when I was young! What a car! Many adventures....
Great video. I bought a yellow 3 year old 2CV in 1985 for £1000. It was fairly high mileage. It was great to drive along little roads in Fife. By 1987 there were big holes in the floor and it had to be scrapped in1988. It had literally rusted away with the salt and stuff. Replaced it with a Fiat Panda 1000S .... just not the same...
My mom used to drive one back during the 80's. My aunt still drives one as a second car.
After I got thru laughing I realized I want one ... I think.
They are kind of cool for all the reasons enthusiasts don't think of when buying a car...
I drive one on a daily basis, more than 600000 km on the clock
@@CaptainKrimson 👍
Colin Smith, I enjoyed reading your post; it’s clear that you know the sheer joy of driving a favorite vehicle. I’ve watched numerous videos about the 2CV recently, and have gone from being barely aware of their existence, to becoming a fan of them; what an amazing, cool little car! And (in my humble opinion) the things their suspension system allows them to do far surpasses even the Lincolns with their pillowy ride over harsh bumps!
I first drove one of these from Edinburgh to Glasgow in about 1978 and they haven't changed much over time, if AT ALL. Lot of fun though. I had a Peugeot 404 for a while and it used to corner on the door handles too
I have always wanted one ...especially in that paint scheme
A huge part of why i want a 2cv is, my friend has one and it never fully works. Also it never fully breaks. There is always a small weekend project to fix, and always a car that gets you places.
I met a woman in my hometown who has an Orange 2CV. I build scale model cars as a hobby and I told her I had a model of this car. She let me take all the pictures I could get. Then I skated her THE QUESTION MWhats it like to drive this on the highway. She paused and said," Imagine everyone that passes you gives you the Finger". I still want one.
I had many cars in my life, the car wich I most enjoyed was my yellow 2 CV.
To be honest, you don`t need more car, here you can enjoy the reduction !
Saw one once with a sportbike engine and a chevett rear axle... Sure was an interesting day.
As an apprentice during the mid 2000's i worked at a specialist that replaced the chassis of these 2cv that was galvanized to be rust proof.
I wish I could have had a Citroen 2cv they were awesome cars in billions of ways
best ending video ever 🤣🤣🤣
First video seeing this presenter. Really great style, enjoyed this so much
Of all the cars I've owned over the years, I miss this one the most.
I had an early (1964) 2CV car, never ever let me down, the engine is virtually indestructible,. Mine had the centrifugal clutch system, whereby you can stop at the lights with first gear engaged, and just wait for the lights to turn green, and simply press the accelerator and the car moves, no need to press the clutch. mine had the 375 cc engine . Going up hills is a major problem, and of course they rust. Not surprisingly they are nicknamed the Tin Snails.
The steering wheel of the car on the video isn't 2cv Charleston but is from
2cv 6 Special
There are few details wrong among the information presented. But ok, for the general public. Also the DIY frame of this 2CV (I understand it's not easy to get an appropriate replacement frame in the US).
What is not OK are the underside shots that are mixed from some completely different car with a completely different drivetrain and suspension layout.
That is BAD.
You can buy original frames or galvanized frames here in the US - there are not DYI frames... Re pictures of a completely different car chassis etc. - no idea why they would do this - especially when they had the car up on the lift.
2cv charleston
yellow black 1982 - 1983
29 ps din /5750 -
4 kgm din /3500
115 km /h
Get the 2cv Sahara. 4wd, and has two separate engines that power two separate transmissions. Safe to say it can be fwd and rwd when needed.
yeah just get a very rare car, easy
This appeals to me, being so basic but being able to do things much more complicated cars can do.
This was the funnest auto ‘review’ I have seen in a long time!
The 2cv models built in Belgium have a special coating underneath the car to protect against the salty roads of winter, therefore slowing down the rusting attacks.
Way back, in the Summer of 1960, we all went to Paris for the summer, I was 8 years old, and we had a chance to ride around in the back of a 2 CV! All I know is that it was the Most Fun ride I ever had in a car! LOL I soooooo want one from 1960. LOL
Omg that wrench drop at 3:10.....the comedic timing. Bravo mr./mrs. editor hahaha
This is so goofy it's adorable. Can't hate it.
1:11 You took the words right out of my toddler self's mouth (There used to be a 2cv on my street)
8:26 No, they stopped producing the 2CV in 1990
He is sweet talking his 2cv like I do with my fiesta mk1, it only made me have to walk once... Well I've only had it 3 months, hehe...
As someone who used to work as a tech at a Citroen dealership, the mere sight of one of those in our parking lot instilled pure fear into my soul (along with a few other models ofc). A lot was due to the type of customer who brought them though.
But after getting some distance from that job and place, the car has, admittedly, its own charm in its weird way, I guess.
I like how we still see them sometimes on the road in europe
I love the 2CV, I love Sam Smith, and I love this video.
Excellent and informative video, well presented. Thank you. 👌👊👍
I like a lot of Citroen’s. The DS is cool, I think the Traction Avant is one of the classiest cars ever mage. The old Bugatti’s and Delahayes are cool too. I love the Renault R5 as well
I want to park this yellow and black 2CV next to a Chiron with the same color scheme... don't know why
@@BlueRidgePhantom there’s something familiar between the 2. The rounded roofline and rear and the 2 tone paint. I can see it for sure. It always looks weird when they park a Bugatti type 35 next to a new one, other than the grill shape there nothing linking the 2
@@RobertSmith-le8wp yeah, that's it. You're on point there.
Ok, who else remembers this car from the James Bond movie "For your eyes only"?
I do. I love that 2CV6 hero car from a James Bond Action Movie who manage to beat baddies. This would be good in anime, but not on other James Bond Movies.
I remember the music from that chase 😂
Did i see leaf springs? no trailing arm rear????
Saw that too.....not original......and yes.....holland, germany, france offer every single part, screw......everything original. I have a 1981 dyane.
I was a disappointed with your assessment of what to look for when buying a 2CV. That was so generic that it could be applied to just about any car out there. Being the recipient of a hand-me-down ‘64 2CV in my last year of high school in ‘81, I longed for the Toyota’s, Datsun’s, & Honda’s that my friends had. When their cars broke down, not only did I towed them back, but generally speaking, they had to pay to get them fixed. My 2CV was not only reliable, but if something went wrong, I fixed it. Your comment about that was bang on. Peer pressure & envy made me get rid of it and to this day regret it. And on a positive note, I quite enjoyed your running commentary on the 2CV; it brought back good memories. Rumour has it that Karma has relatives in France so careful what you say.
A very underestimated and remarkable car
Some corrections:
- Citroën never made a 675cc twin. Biggest the 2cv ever had was a 602. They did make a 652 twin on the same basic design for the Citroën Visa.
- The opening in the wheel wells are to dump the hot air when you turn the heater to 'off', not take in fresh air.
- The image you see when he mentions the shock absorber was of a completely different car, don't really know why they put that shot in?
Great video. You might want to check the engine size -I believe the largest was 602cc and even then max speed was 69mph.
I'm French, and you really cracked me up with your accent at 12:18!
Although it rather sounds like a German speaking to my ears! 😅😂🤣
Sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger to me 😂
I own a '78, and the comparison I would give in terms of speed and torque, would be your regular 4 stroke 125cc motorcycle. But doing a single roundabout is enough to remind you why you need it in life.
Did you know Citroen would give you a brand new 2CV for free if you managed yours to roll over?
I'd love to have one, but $14,000 is nuts.
What's the quarter mile time for one of these ?
Best review of a 2cv I’ve have ever seen. Had me laughing the whole time. Always loved those quirky little cars and hope to own one.
This 2CV is beautiful with these colors !
The 2cv was my very first car, I drove one for 2 years and had very little problems. It's a really nice car and can last forever if you drive it correctly, I think you drive it wrong if you are constantly floored like in the video...
Yeah it's really not built for drag races and hot laps. And that's cool that you had one.
They were never 675cc, the later modes were 602cc. You should have shown the four second door removal technique, and the lift out seats!
And the fresh-air ventilation system!
Best car presentation, anywhere .
The host of this video is hilarious!
and has no clue about the the 2cv suspension, as in no clue whatso ever
Good review, you seem to understand what a 2CV is all about.
He doesn't 🤨.
I love these cars! Never owned one but will jot say no if I stumble across a good one cheap. I would drive it all summer!
You get it! lol I miss mine BAD!
We’ve restored and rebuilt a 1958 ripple bonnet one, it won’t go over 45kmh. Who cares! It’s a well designed car that outside of France people don’t get.
I am not french but i get it, it helps that i am born and raised with 2cv's here in Sweden. Engine in the right end makes the heater work good, cough cough VW type 1 ;)
I had two of them and I wish I had still got them, brilliant cars, great fun !
If your 2Cv loses power like that; check the choke (funny little button behind the steering wheel). If the button is in, pull it out, if it's out push it in....
La 2 cv n'est pas une voiture comme toutes les autres; elle représente un art de vivre... ❤
Wow a great car report I love my 2 CV and my BOXTER both insured by Hagerty
I bought the Boxster to drive in the summer when the 2 CV is too Hot.
Citroën 2CV is the Citroën I remember I wanted but was available in our market Beautiful weird car
Was lots this type of vehicle 🚗 in Vietnam! Mike from Missouri
I love them, I want one again!
I've had one for 15 years. They are plenty adequate for around town traffic. Also, while the average car is 10 to 20K these days, the Sahara (twin engine) is over 100K!