Just as one of this channel's previous video...the PS5 Pro GPU will be similar to a RX 7800 XT in raster and I rather be above it...upgrading until 2025.
Well 2 weeks ago i bought a 7900x3d for $279 at Newegg brand new with a promo code and at that price there was nothing better. The performance has been amazing and is a huge upgrade over my ryzen 5 1600 that i had for over 6 years.
seeing the channel grow from prehistoric intels celerons and pentiums to the high end intel and ryzen parts its somewhat wholesome, and yes we come to this channel cos of budget parts to see what we can scrap to seeing new technology and etc. Awesome work and keep going doing what u like :D
00:42 - At this point, it would've been neat if you slowly turned the "9" in 7900x3D, to a "6" and add a question mark at the end...maybe faze the other "9" to a "5"
I purchased a 7900x3d for $299 open box about a year ago. These are so unloved they reach unbelievably low prices. Its an unbeatable value proposition.
I actually got this for 329 USD, cheaper than the 7800x3d. Totally worth it. I just manually turn off cores in task manager with processor affinity if Im having issues, but Ive only had issues with rnning and playing on a minecraft server. This thing is a beast. Update: Just finished the video, I'm also running a 7900xt!!! That is too good that he used it as a benchmark gpu for it. Got the 7900xt from someone in town brand new for only 500 USD, I was bargain hunting 😂
6:41 after the release of CS2, Source 2 engine is not using your all cores in default. You should've used your thread count +1 to match available thread pool in Source 2. For example "-threads 17" for 8 cores 16 threads cpu's.
I bought a 7900x3D on release, coming from a 5800X I absolutely couldn't stand how hard it was to keep an 8 core CCD cool, definitely not disappointed with it. Once the 9000 series x3D chips drop, I'll probably upgrade, and side the 7900x3D into a server role.
If you're benchmarking Fortnite, you need to make sure that in the installation options, "Pre-download Streamed Assets" and "DirectX 12 Shaders" (if testing DX12) are installed. Without downloading the assets first, I find that the game suffers from some super bad stutters, and the performance is a lot more consistent.
@@IcebergTech Yeahhh other than that, I can't think of much else you can do. The game is constantly updating and the performance kind of just gets worse over time. It was better during the OG Season due to the lighter graphics but during these latest seasons, even with a 5900X and 3080ti I find DX12 to be a complete mess in terms of stutters. (Performance mode is okay though) The FPS is just never consistent, so it just makes for a really crappy game for benchmarking tests.
In my 2 years experience playing Fortnite and testing it on many different PCs, the best way to test this game and also play it, is on competitive settings - DX12 with everything on lowest, just view distance on epic. As mentioned, Streaming Assets and DirectX shaders need to be downloaded first. First 2-3 games are always stuttering, but after that I have no problem playing it on higher end PCs. I own 5800x3D with RX6800 - no problem and also my second PC 14600KF with 4070 TIS has also no problem with stutters. I play fairly competitive with more than 60 solo wins this season, so I can tell if the game runs smoothy. If I play on performance mode, which uses DX11, it stutters horribly, and frames are very inconsistent.
Might just buy a 7900x3d or 7950x3d, programs like Process Lasso will force games to run on either the 3XD or non X3D CCD, useful if you play a mix of different games that don't all do better with lower clocks and higher cache and vice versa. But the 7900X3D only has 6 Cores reserved for gaming instead of 8 if you plan to do that
I understand PC is a working device, but who really need 16 cores nowadays? If you're developing unoptimized code and researching algorithms... but if, not any working device total cost of ownership makes the workstation/server or Apple Silicon energy efficiency so much more affordable and performant... the amount of money in electricity you can save by editing and batch processing video on a MacMini... under 20W... or adding a dedicated gpu (depending on the workload)... 7800x3d or 7950x is fien enough, avoid the hassle of Dr JEkill and Mr Hyde CPUs (Pcores and ecores, the same problem... computing math and RT of 4060 is higher than 14900K ata afraction of the cost and energy)
5:44. You state on screen that your data is generated on a completely different graphics card. We are left to assume then that it was generated at a different time and was likely using different game versions, bios versions, memory kit and timings, different motherboards, windows versions... I guess I am just used to the thoroughness of HUB. But honestly this seems like very non comparable data.
I recently bought the 7900X3D as it was on sale for ~50€ more than the 7800X3D (and still >150€ less than the 7950X3D). I am running a second gaming PC as a VM through Hyper-V which is streamed to the other users laptop, sharing my 6900XT between both systems and was even able to run 3x Baldurs Gate 3 in FHD just fine (the GPU being the limiting factor). Since I mostly bought used (except for the CPU and power supply) and reused some old case and SSDs I managed to essentially build 2 AM5 gaming PCs (one bare metal, one virtual) for less than 500€ each. Is the 7900X3D a bit slower when compared neck-to-neck to the 7800X3D? Sure. But being able to run 2 or even 3 PCs on one CPU while also having the highest available singlecore Performance for certain memory-access-heavy games at this low of a price point is amazing.
I tried disabling it in Ryzen Master and the whole system refused to boot, I had to remove the CMOS battery just to get back in. I'll try again in the future, I want to do a whole V-cache on/off test once I've got hold of some 8 cores for comparison.
@@IcebergTech please test also SMT disabled, as many other latency enemies of high FPS output... It would be nice also to see DDR4 being used under energy efficient JEDEC specs vs only timing optimization. I understand that real world latency depends on both max clock and 1 to 4 cas words latency but we're blindede by EXPO and XMP profiles in order to save energy... how is it even posssible ssd and ram using more energy to get frames than CPU and GPU? 700W Total System witohut Display? To me going above 300W with Display it seems a lot comapred with the variety of sub 35W, 50W or 100W latops and minis with good enough (with some little caviats on non upgradability, etc.)
@@IcebergTech I hate with the mobo refuses to post after stuff like that! Had the same thing happen to me when undervolting my 7800x3d. Though I was able to reset the bios using the jumper rather than pulling the battery.
I just got one on the big sale...seemed perfect for me. I was using a 12600k, and although it was pretty capable still gaming, when gaming + streaming, and other productivity purposes, wasn't cutting it. The 7900X3d seems great for this mixed with the other odd task
Had the 7900X3D for almost a year and a half now. Upgraded from the 5800X3D. The 8 cores were a bit sluggish when multitasking so, I decided to go for 12. No performance issues whatsoever.
Did you watch a hw monitor to see which cores were being used during game play? The 7900x3d and 7950x3d dual ccd things can have some tricky side effects. Often the scheduler will push games onto the ccd with higher frequency rather than the cache ccd. I know Jayztwocents had difficulties getting his to run on the right cores while gaming, i suggest checking his recent bideo out.
Glad to know I didn’t lose much going with my 7500F over an X3D chip, especially since I mainly play CS2. Quite shocking that the X3D chip couldn’t beat it considering CS2 is an old school single core/cache dependent game. I can see this 7500F lasting me for quite a few generations.
Hardware unboxed recently tested Intel's latest CPUs and came to the conclusion that they are not as cache size sensitive as AMD Ryzen. Of course, 15th gen is totally new architecture (dropping Hyper threading for instance), so we'll see...
I seem to remember a rumour that Intel were thinking of revisiting L4 cache, like they did with Broadwell. The i7-5775C performed pretty well with the 128MB EDRAM onboard, it would be interesting to see them revisit that, if there's still room on the die after all those E-cores and LP-E cores...
@@renerant they have just another cache architecture, but since ipc difference between x86 cpus are almost inexistent since 10th and Zen3 to nowadays... you can play with cache speed imprvement or different level sizing to get te impression they're compiting... IBM showed years ago how L2/L3 ( or big chunk cache) of 256 MB make sthe most out of the folllowing level of memory bus... tha same for gpus or cpu... much "simplier" having cache hits than gigantic memory (ram) bus just in case... the 128 to 256 MB is where affordability/benefit lays...
The benefits of flight sims like MSFS or DCS etc. is that they don't require the high fps and you could sacrifice it for fidelity and stability of those frames. It's where the 3D cache imo benefits the most (I switched from 5 3600 to 7 7800X3D and yes there was a difference, I could push my 3090 a bit more in VR but the bottleneck here is the VR itself because it's wireless)
7900X3D like 7950X3D two-P sell well into productivity / optimized applications while offering either a hexa or octa game appliance inside so a hybrid experience with a hybrid device. Until just recently, within the last 60 days, 7900X3D sales were ahead of 7800X3D in volume although 7800X3D sales recently overtook 7900X3D that did benefit from board + RAM sales bundles to move the product. R7K full run sales volume to date: 7950X3D = 7.96% 7950X = 17.43% 7900X3D = 8.39% 7900X = 21.45 % and AMD skews 12 and 16 cores production volume to lift full line gross margin 7900 = 3.01% 7800X3D = 9.63% 7700X = 14.82% 7700 = 1.74% 7600X = 13.32% 7600 = 1.96% note in a full line volume purchase 76/75 cost the seller nothing as sales close incentive 7500f = 0.30% mb
Did you upgrade to 7900xt? Expecting an video comparison between 6900xt and 7900xt Your videos are very good much better even compared to many million sub yt channel
After researching this CPU extensively, I can say that this chips isn’t nearly as bad as he makes it sound. The 7900x3d performance is within spitting distance of the 7800x3d, and the 7900 also boosts higher! The extra 6 non v cache cores are utilized for background applications like game bar, discord, chrome, or whatever else you need! If you can find the 7900x3d for cheap, get it!
This whole video has been invalidated due to the fact that you didn’t isolate those cores, if you look at the cpu usage you’ll see that the non x3d ccd is being used along with the other in most cases. Which is why it was so close to the 7500f
My 7950x3d has been amazing. I got a fair uplift coming from the 7800x3d. Having the faster cores on the other CCD has been really nice for my other workloads
@@fallenlegion1828 Many are brainwashed with the 7800x3d right now unfortunately. It definitely can be better at gaming in key situations, where development for a game centers around 8 cores or 16 threads max, but outside of that the 7800x3d is no longer the best everyone believes it is in every case, and the "perfect legendary" CPU. It's literally just a super charged console CPU at 8 cores with a higher clock vs the consoles that it does tend to benefit those games. The targets will change though, and that CPU will not age well getting to the PS6 launch, and likely GTA 6 as well.
@@Mcnooblet very well said. I think the reason I seen an uplift in games is due to how many programs I have run in the background. Razer synapse, steelseries GG, icue ect. It all takes up system usage. I mainly play battlefield games. In 2042 my 7800x3d would be around 95 usage, at times it would top out at 100%. The 7800x3d is great if you just game and don't have a lot running in the background. The 7950x3d can handle all that and my games and still never go above 70% usage. Hell I can even be fully downloading a game and still not have my fps effected. It's such an underrated cpu
@@fallenlegion1828This is exactly why I strictly buy Ryzen 9s. The overall system responsiveness and bouncing in between apps without impacting my game is the cherry on top.
I think you could optimise your settings a bit more I have a 7900x3d and a can hit 5,9 ghz with a 5 ghz normal cores clock the 3d part has some glitches but when you optimise it it’s amaz
stuttering on starfield might be due to the SSD it has to be installed to a SSD and if the SSD is a slow one the game stutters (the game "streams" the area from the hard drive instead of trying to load the full area to memory
@@renerantdepends how they do the interconnects and cash filling. Just going for a full silicon interposer would cut down on a lot of the latency but it would increase the costs a lot.
@@xfy123there's a video from High Yield that explain 3 different options AMD may would choose to implement an affordable interposer for the CCD package
No Thank You. The 7900X3D (and 7950X3D) specifically uses the background Xbox Game Bar app in Windows 11 as it's handler to regulate whether the extra cache gets enabled (and the extra cores get parked). So it doesn't work in linux. It only works in Win11, not Win10. It doesn't work if you registry hack out the Xbox apps. It only works in some whitelisted games. Putting the extra cache on just one CCD and not the other is a major blunder.
I didn't set anything special in the BIOS, no. I followed some instructions I found that said to update the BIOS, install the chipset drivers (which includes special optimisations for 3D V-cache) and choose the Balanced power profile.
Its better to just disable the CCD without the 3d vcache in BIOS for the most fps in games. Just setting power mode to balanced will still use both CCDs which will drop performance.
7800x3d 14700k 13900k 14900k or better are the only good options for 4090 otherwise you're wasting money and you'll be bottlenecking the 4090 with a worse cpu
testing CPUs with Different GPUs and deciding to put them on the same graph is confusing at best. The graphs do nothing for the video except to create speculation that targets your own data and testing methods. Step 5 of the scientific method should've been applied here, "Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion." The conclusion drawn from the data shown is that the collection method is flawed, thus the conclusion and presentation of said data is also flawed and thus inaccurate. I'm not trying to be a hater but I am a stickler for "accuracy without confusion." I will still watch your content regardless, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
when i upgrade from my 5800x3d, i'm probably getting something in this class of cpus. the 8 cores are starting to not be enough for stuff outside gaming, and more importantly, PCIE gen 3 is holding me back HARRRRRRD. so is USB 3.0. i'm going to try to get a 9950x3d or something, but if i can't, i'll settle for a 9900x3d. that's probably a year away though
There's really no reason to buy a 7900x3d, the two 6 core ccds it has really increases latency and depreciates performance to the point that even a 7800x3d beats it in gaming
@@sig3ldunc4nI your average gamer isn't going to spend this much money on a cpu, unless they are an enthusiast, which tend to be pretty knowledgeable with workarounds
I have this cpu with a 7900xtx, I got this for the same price as a 7800x3d and for my use case of microsoft flight simulator it actually gives a bit better performance than the 7800x3d so I get about 30-60fps in 1440p ultra with the more demanding aircraft like PMDG 777 and Fenix A320 at airports like inibuilds dubai and heathrow. It has been way better than my old pc with a 5600 and rx6600 and performance has been amazing
2028? Until next generation game consoles there is nothing major to happen, other than ARM starts working with MEdiatek+Nvidia or Qualcomm pushing Adreno drivers and clocks for perfromance...while saving energy...
@@InternetListener 2025 for a new Windows 11 build and game this new generation...and no, I am not going to wait for the next generation of consoles like the PS6...GTA VI will keep this generation relevant for a while...
@@takehirolol5962 Win11 is a hard sell, probably going to stick with 10 and switch to linux at some point. Sorry to all those power users that have to toe kiss microsoft.
Not for me, i have a 12700K with DDR5. I don't expect such a massive IPC leap in a very long time. For PS3 emulation benchmarks the 12700K and 7800X3D are the same. The 12700K still has top tier IPC (vainilla Zen 4 is slower than Alder Lake). The weakness of my 12700K is the DDR5 memory controller. Compared to a current i9 (even i7) it's bad.
Had the 7900x3d for several months now and its a damn good cpu, I would suggest the 7800x3d for sure if its pure gaming but for the price the 7900x3d is still a good bargin.
Even though this CPU isn't too smart of a purchase decision for the regular gamer, I still think that it's an interesting CPU. I also am impressed at the fact that the Thermalright cooler can tame it rather well at stock settings, considering how most of the 7000 series behaves.
With a title like that I expected to see the CPU compared to itself with the non3D CCD disabled (theoretical 7600X3D). It would have changed some results for the better.
3d vcache is a cool idea, but the problem is when you start hitting resolutions like 4k it literally doesn't matter anymore because you are gpu limited, and if you do anything else like video editing a non 3d cache cpu will be better. This is why I bought a 7950x Also, these benchmark tests make no sense, you test the 7900x3d with a 7900xt, but other cpus were tested with a 6900xt, how is that a fair comparison?
I'm running a 7950X so I don't have to worry about CPU scheduling. It's nice when all the CPU cores are the same. Honestly I don't see the point of the 7900x3d
So instead of making the CPU a bit more larger to accommodate proper space for its components they're now stacking one top of the other? will this method induce more heat than usual and how all the cooling system will act with this kind of CPU?
If you make a CPU larger horizontally, then it makes the electrical connections longer, which means it takes more time for the signal to travel, which is multiplied by billions every second. The idea with 3D chips is that you can stack them one on top of another for a more direct connection, which means less distance and time needed for the CPU to work.
Man's got a 7900X3D with a 7900XT. The sheer satisfaction of the numbers matching would mean I'd never move on from this machine, because it won't happen again until the next planetary alignment.
For me it sounds like the best of both worlds. Not everyone can afford to have two PCs with different focus, hell I can't afford one. The price I find a bit too high, but I totally get how this is in fact a great CPU. There is a good chance if I was in the market for an AMD system (lack of money as mentioned before means I am not), that this CPU would be my number one choice. Thank you for this video, helpful. I know not fair, but the C23 results for multicore are 10 times higher than my i7-4710HQ. Funny.
TL;DW - if you're into gaming, get the 7800X3D. If you're a content creator, get the 7900X. If you're indecisive, get the 7900X3D. If you're indecisive and have the extra money to spare, get the 7950X3D 😁
7500F or 5600, if not 5700x or 7800x3d just in case you want 4K gaming with high end gpu. 7800x3d if you plan to buy 5090 with the less possible bottleneck (less if SMT disabled)
I don't understand even its existence. How it comes you paired two faulty 2 cores ccd in one chip, is not possible having two versions of 14 cores isntead? the 6+8 and the 8+6 working cpus...?
I mean the CPU is basically 2 in one but I would like to see how it compares to a gaming CPU like the 7800X3d and a productivity CPU like a threadripper. (Maybe not a threadripper but something that is geared towards productivity)
admit it you just wanted to match your 7900xt with a 7900x3d
I thought it was a 6900XT
Just as one of this channel's previous video...the PS5 Pro GPU will be similar to a RX 7800 XT in raster and I rather be above it...upgrading until 2025.
I get it. I specifically bought a 6950XT so that I could take a pic of it sitting next to my old radeon HD 6950.
I had an aneurysm trying to comprehend your broken english.
Something something PS5 pro something something, it aint even out yet dafuq you on about?
Nah, that's just the bundle they sent. I'm not complaining 😁
Well 2 weeks ago i bought a 7900x3d for $279 at Newegg brand new with a promo code and at that price there was nothing better. The performance has been amazing and is a huge upgrade over my ryzen 5 1600 that i had for over 6 years.
Hell of an upgrade!
Now that’s a substantial upgrade!
what a steal! great find!
Wait a min, it has same socket ?
@@zawadtahmid9076 No
seeing the channel grow from prehistoric intels celerons and pentiums to the high end intel and ryzen parts its somewhat wholesome, and yes we come to this channel cos of budget parts to see what we can scrap to seeing new technology and etc. Awesome work and keep going doing what u like :D
I sense a "Video editing on AMD. One month on the 7900x3d" video coming :D
Personal rig video coming in August 😉
00:42 - At this point, it would've been neat if you slowly turned the "9" in 7900x3D, to a "6" and add a question mark at the end...maybe faze the other "9" to a "5"
I purchased a 7900x3d for $299 open box about a year ago. These are so unloved they reach unbelievably low prices. Its an unbeatable value proposition.
2 CPU's in one! *digs out Pentium D*
Or the early Core2Quads
I actually got this for 329 USD, cheaper than the 7800x3d. Totally worth it. I just manually turn off cores in task manager with processor affinity if Im having issues, but Ive only had issues with rnning and playing on a minecraft server. This thing is a beast.
Update:
Just finished the video, I'm also running a 7900xt!!! That is too good that he used it as a benchmark gpu for it. Got the 7900xt from someone in town brand new for only 500 USD, I was bargain hunting 😂
6:41 after the release of CS2, Source 2 engine is not using your all cores in default. You should've used your thread count +1 to match available thread pool in Source 2. For example "-threads 17" for 8 cores 16 threads cpu's.
I bought a 7900x3D on release, coming from a 5800X I absolutely couldn't stand how hard it was to keep an 8 core CCD cool, definitely not disappointed with it. Once the 9000 series x3D chips drop, I'll probably upgrade, and side the 7900x3D into a server role.
yooo, another Iceberg banger :D
My man is getting paid🎉🎉
If you're benchmarking Fortnite, you need to make sure that in the installation options, "Pre-download Streamed Assets" and "DirectX 12 Shaders" (if testing DX12) are installed. Without downloading the assets first, I find that the game suffers from some super bad stutters, and the performance is a lot more consistent.
Been doing that ever since the option became available, and yet it's never been stutter free...
@@IcebergTech Yeahhh other than that, I can't think of much else you can do. The game is constantly updating and the performance kind of just gets worse over time. It was better during the OG Season due to the lighter graphics but during these latest seasons, even with a 5900X and 3080ti I find DX12 to be a complete mess in terms of stutters. (Performance mode is okay though)
The FPS is just never consistent, so it just makes for a really crappy game for benchmarking tests.
@@IcebergTech stutternite
The new amd update is terrible with stutters on multiple games, so if you're using the most recent driver, revert to adrenalin 24.5.1. @@IcebergTech
In my 2 years experience playing Fortnite and testing it on many different PCs, the best way to test this game and also play it, is on competitive settings - DX12 with everything on lowest, just view distance on epic. As mentioned, Streaming Assets and DirectX shaders need to be downloaded first. First 2-3 games are always stuttering, but after that I have no problem playing it on higher end PCs. I own 5800x3D with RX6800 - no problem and also my second PC 14600KF with 4070 TIS has also no problem with stutters. I play fairly competitive with more than 60 solo wins this season, so I can tell if the game runs smoothy. If I play on performance mode, which uses DX11, it stutters horribly, and frames are very inconsistent.
02:20 daym where can i get that 64GB cache :D
noticed the same thing XD
start praying
Can't wait for the R9 10900x4d.
Might just buy a 7900x3d or 7950x3d, programs like Process Lasso will force games to run on either the 3XD or non X3D CCD, useful if you play a mix of different games that don't all do better with lower clocks and higher cache and vice versa. But the 7900X3D only has 6 Cores reserved for gaming instead of 8 if you plan to do that
I understand PC is a working device, but who really need 16 cores nowadays? If you're developing unoptimized code and researching algorithms... but if, not any working device total cost of ownership makes the workstation/server or Apple Silicon energy efficiency so much more affordable and performant... the amount of money in electricity you can save by editing and batch processing video on a MacMini... under 20W... or adding a dedicated gpu (depending on the workload)... 7800x3d or 7950x is fien enough, avoid the hassle of Dr JEkill and Mr Hyde CPUs (Pcores and ecores, the same problem... computing math and RT of 4060 is higher than 14900K ata afraction of the cost and energy)
@InternetListener if only things were that simple. I envy your nieve thoughts on things, indulge me more.
@@InternetListenerah yes totally forgot that you have to compile the code and if it's a big project it can take a long time.
@@InternetListener for me its not a need, its a want, and buying high end components give you a lot of time between upgrades
I love the peaceful song that always plays at the start of your videos
5:44. You state on screen that your data is generated on a completely different graphics card. We are left to assume then that it was generated at a different time and was likely using different game versions, bios versions, memory kit and timings, different motherboards, windows versions...
I guess I am just used to the thoroughness of HUB. But honestly this seems like very non comparable data.
I agree, the data from the charts is a bit pointless thanks to the discrepancy.
Another stellar banger lad!
It’s nice to be along for the ride with you iceberg. Congratulations and here’s to many more opportunities like this.
I recently bought the 7900X3D as it was on sale for ~50€ more than the 7800X3D (and still >150€ less than the 7950X3D). I am running a second gaming PC as a VM through Hyper-V which is streamed to the other users laptop, sharing my 6900XT between both systems and was even able to run 3x Baldurs Gate 3 in FHD just fine (the GPU being the limiting factor). Since I mostly bought used (except for the CPU and power supply) and reused some old case and SSDs I managed to essentially build 2 AM5 gaming PCs (one bare metal, one virtual) for less than 500€ each.
Is the 7900X3D a bit slower when compared neck-to-neck to the 7800X3D? Sure. But being able to run 2 or even 3 PCs on one CPU while also having the highest available singlecore Performance for certain memory-access-heavy games at this low of a price point is amazing.
i need that cpu. i have absolutely no reason to have it, but i need it.
I would have liked to see you turn off the non x3d CCD. Relying on the Xbox game bar results in inconsistent performance compared to the 7800x3d
Nothing like a Friday morning commute with fresh IceBerg 👍
Is there much difference in gaming performance by disabling the CCD without 3D V-Cache?
I tried disabling it in Ryzen Master and the whole system refused to boot, I had to remove the CMOS battery just to get back in. I'll try again in the future, I want to do a whole V-cache on/off test once I've got hold of some 8 cores for comparison.
@@IcebergTech please test also SMT disabled, as many other latency enemies of high FPS output... It would be nice also to see DDR4 being used under energy efficient JEDEC specs vs only timing optimization. I understand that real world latency depends on both max clock and 1 to 4 cas words latency but we're blindede by EXPO and XMP profiles in order to save energy... how is it even posssible ssd and ram using more energy to get frames than CPU and GPU? 700W Total System witohut Display? To me going above 300W with Display it seems a lot comapred with the variety of sub 35W, 50W or 100W latops and minis with good enough (with some little caviats on non upgradability, etc.)
@@IcebergTech I hate with the mobo refuses to post after stuff like that! Had the same thing happen to me when undervolting my 7800x3d. Though I was able to reset the bios using the jumper rather than pulling the battery.
I just got one on the big sale...seemed perfect for me. I was using a 12600k, and although it was pretty capable still gaming, when gaming + streaming, and other productivity purposes, wasn't cutting it. The 7900X3d seems great for this mixed with the other odd task
I'm highly impressed with how efficient the 7900xt is. The 7900x3d is a nice CPU for the right price.
Had the 7900X3D for almost a year and a half now. Upgraded from the 5800X3D. The 8 cores were a bit sluggish when multitasking so, I decided to go for 12. No performance issues whatsoever.
The core temps seem sus. How can all the cores be the exact same temperature all the time?
Gotta get your videos worth out of the bundle Scan sent you!
Did you watch a hw monitor to see which cores were being used during game play? The 7900x3d and 7950x3d dual ccd things can have some tricky side effects. Often the scheduler will push games onto the ccd with higher frequency rather than the cache ccd.
I know Jayztwocents had difficulties getting his to run on the right cores while gaming, i suggest checking his recent bideo out.
At 2:20 you typed that the one ccd had 64gb of l3cache, btw great video, i wish you the best
One day I'll make enough money to hire someone to proofread my videos before I upload them, but it is not this day.
Glad to know I didn’t lose much going with my 7500F over an X3D chip, especially since I mainly play CS2. Quite shocking that the X3D chip couldn’t beat it considering CS2 is an old school single core/cache dependent game. I can see this 7500F lasting me for quite a few generations.
Not true, he didn’t disable the non x3d ccd so the game was using it, getting rid of the benefit of having an x3d cpu.
What's AMD going to do once Intel starts cache stacking like X3D ?
Hardware unboxed recently tested Intel's latest CPUs and came to the conclusion that they are not as cache size sensitive as AMD Ryzen. Of course, 15th gen is totally new architecture (dropping Hyper threading for instance), so we'll see...
Intel has much bigger problems than their chache structure. Stability issues, poor thermals and insane power draw for example.
I seem to remember a rumour that Intel were thinking of revisiting L4 cache, like they did with Broadwell. The i7-5775C performed pretty well with the 128MB EDRAM onboard, it would be interesting to see them revisit that, if there's still room on the die after all those E-cores and LP-E cores...
They're taking about doing HBM off the side of some CPUs.
@@renerant they have just another cache architecture, but since ipc difference between x86 cpus are almost inexistent since 10th and Zen3 to nowadays... you can play with cache speed imprvement or different level sizing to get te impression they're compiting... IBM showed years ago how L2/L3 ( or big chunk cache) of 256 MB make sthe most out of the folllowing level of memory bus... tha same for gpus or cpu... much "simplier" having cache hits than gigantic memory (ram) bus just in case... the 128 to 256 MB is where affordability/benefit lays...
The benefits of flight sims like MSFS or DCS etc. is that they don't require the high fps and you could sacrifice it for fidelity and stability of those frames. It's where the 3D cache imo benefits the most (I switched from 5 3600 to 7 7800X3D and yes there was a difference, I could push my 3090 a bit more in VR but the bottleneck here is the VR itself because it's wireless)
7900X3D like 7950X3D two-P sell well into productivity / optimized applications while offering either a hexa or octa game appliance inside so a hybrid experience with a hybrid device. Until just recently, within the last 60 days, 7900X3D sales were ahead of 7800X3D in volume although 7800X3D sales recently overtook 7900X3D that did benefit from board + RAM sales bundles to move the product.
R7K full run sales volume to date:
7950X3D = 7.96%
7950X = 17.43%
7900X3D = 8.39%
7900X = 21.45 % and AMD skews 12 and 16 cores production volume to lift full line gross margin
7900 = 3.01%
7800X3D = 9.63%
7700X = 14.82%
7700 = 1.74%
7600X = 13.32%
7600 = 1.96% note in a full line volume purchase 76/75 cost the seller nothing as sales close incentive
7500f = 0.30%
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$327 on amazon prime deal!
Did you upgrade to 7900xt? Expecting an video comparison between 6900xt and 7900xt
Your videos are very good much better even compared to many million sub yt channel
So, it's kind of like AMD made a secret hybrid architecture.
After researching this CPU extensively, I can say that this chips isn’t nearly as bad as he makes it sound. The 7900x3d performance is within spitting distance of the 7800x3d, and the 7900 also boosts higher! The extra 6 non v cache cores are utilized for background applications like game bar, discord, chrome, or whatever else you need! If you can find the 7900x3d for cheap, get it!
One note I will make though, is watch videos about core parking, it can be tricky to get set up and make sure it’s running right
The 7800x3d is supreme. One CCD beats it out. I went from 7950x3d to 7800x3d for this reason
Yes, but the 7900X3D is only 5% slower in games, much faster in productivity, and about the same price, so it's not totally crazy.
This whole video has been invalidated due to the fact that you didn’t isolate those cores, if you look at the cpu usage you’ll see that the non x3d ccd is being used along with the other in most cases. Which is why it was so close to the 7500f
My 7950x3d has been amazing. I got a fair uplift coming from the 7800x3d. Having the faster cores on the other CCD has been really nice for my other workloads
If youre talking about gaming you're lying if youre talking about productivity then even the non 50 variation is faster.
@@xxzenonionnex7658 sure pal
@@fallenlegion1828 Many are brainwashed with the 7800x3d right now unfortunately. It definitely can be better at gaming in key situations, where development for a game centers around 8 cores or 16 threads max, but outside of that the 7800x3d is no longer the best everyone believes it is in every case, and the "perfect legendary" CPU. It's literally just a super charged console CPU at 8 cores with a higher clock vs the consoles that it does tend to benefit those games. The targets will change though, and that CPU will not age well getting to the PS6 launch, and likely GTA 6 as well.
@@Mcnooblet very well said. I think the reason I seen an uplift in games is due to how many programs I have run in the background. Razer synapse, steelseries GG, icue ect. It all takes up system usage. I mainly play battlefield games. In 2042 my 7800x3d would be around 95 usage, at times it would top out at 100%.
The 7800x3d is great if you just game and don't have a lot running in the background. The 7950x3d can handle all that and my games and still never go above 70% usage. Hell I can even be fully downloading a game and still not have my fps effected. It's such an underrated cpu
@@fallenlegion1828This is exactly why I strictly buy Ryzen 9s. The overall system responsiveness and bouncing in between apps without impacting my game is the cherry on top.
I think you could optimise your settings a bit more I have a 7900x3d and a can hit 5,9 ghz with a 5 ghz normal cores clock the 3d part has some glitches but when you optimise it it’s amaz
stuttering on starfield might be due to the SSD it has to be installed to a SSD and if the SSD is a slow one the game stutters (the game "streams" the area from the hard drive instead of trying to load the full area to memory
Is it just me or does this guy sound kind of like Mumbo Jumbo?
You’re in the big times now for sure! Ryzen 7000 and an X3D!
Congrats on buying the 7900XT 🔥
Love your content mate.
Keep up the good work.👍
Finally, this man is getting what he deserves.
I wish theyd sell a dual ccd 3d v cache
They will with Zen5.
@@UndyingGhostreally?
CCD0 having to ask for data from CCD1 cache incurs a latency penalty which might nullify the whole point of big, fast and (physically) close L3 cache
@@renerantdepends how they do the interconnects and cash filling. Just going for a full silicon interposer would cut down on a lot of the latency but it would increase the costs a lot.
@@xfy123there's a video from High Yield that explain 3 different options AMD may would choose to implement an affordable interposer for the CCD package
No Thank You.
The 7900X3D (and 7950X3D) specifically uses the background Xbox Game Bar app in Windows 11 as it's handler to regulate whether the extra cache gets enabled (and the extra cores get parked).
So it doesn't work in linux. It only works in Win11, not Win10. It doesn't work if you registry hack out the Xbox apps. It only works in some whitelisted games.
Putting the extra cache on just one CCD and not the other is a major blunder.
Just curious, did you set the bios thing with what cores are used to Cache, not frequently?
I didn't set anything special in the BIOS, no. I followed some instructions I found that said to update the BIOS, install the chipset drivers (which includes special optimisations for 3D V-cache) and choose the Balanced power profile.
@@IcebergTechah just the bios setting can tell windows to use the cache CCD over the none CCD. I would look it up.
@@NathanBinks I have had that on and off, and generally I've found that it doesn't matter, windows can keep games on the cache cores by itself.
@@charlesturner897 far enough
Great video, as always.
Its better to just disable the CCD without the 3d vcache in BIOS for the most fps in games. Just setting power mode to balanced will still use both CCDs which will drop performance.
it says 64GB instead of 64MB
Even 5800x3d is now more than enough even for 4090
No it's not... 5800X3D bottlenecks a 4090.
7800x3d 14700k 13900k 14900k or better are the only good options for 4090 otherwise you're wasting money and you'll be bottlenecking the 4090 with a worse cpu
@@laszlozsurka8991 and sometimes the 4090 bottlenecks my 5900xt. It just depends in what you're doing.
@@KamilWyszynski1924 that's not how it works. Modern games are going to be bottlenecked by the 4090 far more often if you're playing at 4k.
Those cpu temps though...
Modern day hardware temps always make me uneasy, even if that’s supposed to be their operating range
What? The temps are barely hitting 70C under load, what more do you want?
@@cappybara6866 It's consistently close to 80 C, that's pretty hot especially since he does testing without case
@@keerthan7558AM5 is designed to run at peak temperature. So those temperatures are more than okay.
testing CPUs with Different GPUs and deciding to put them on the same graph is confusing at best. The graphs do nothing for the video except to create speculation that targets your own data and testing methods. Step 5 of the scientific method should've been applied here, "Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion." The conclusion drawn from the data shown is that the collection method is flawed, thus the conclusion and presentation of said data is also flawed and thus inaccurate. I'm not trying to be a hater but I am a stickler for "accuracy without confusion." I will still watch your content regardless, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
Some say that cpu performs beter with the non 3d cores enabled for gaming. But for productivity work loads beter with all cpus enabled.
Why may never exist? They could take defect 7900X3Ds where the 2nd Die without 3D Cache is defect and ditch that one.
This video contradicts your channel banner of "Today's Games, Yesterday's Hardware"....
Not that I mind though.
New CPUs are out
@@sants.602 No they are not, are they on shelves anywhere available for public?
Great Video now is time to watch it.
when i upgrade from my 5800x3d, i'm probably getting something in this class of cpus. the 8 cores are starting to not be enough for stuff outside gaming, and more importantly, PCIE gen 3 is holding me back HARRRRRRD. so is USB 3.0. i'm going to try to get a 9950x3d or something, but if i can't, i'll settle for a 9900x3d. that's probably a year away though
5800 is pcie 4.0, wtf are you using it with?
Love it when I have 64GB of 3d v-cache 2:19
7900X3D is kind of meh since it is a 6+6 instead of 8+4, if it was 8+4 it would sold out instantly
Finally I can dance again to the loud music
I've a 7950X3D and THAT's a real beast!
There's really no reason to buy a 7900x3d, the two 6 core ccds it has really increases latency and depreciates performance to the point that even a 7800x3d beats it in gaming
not if you use process lasso to force games to run on the x3d chiplet or non x3d depending on what games run best (cache vs clocks)
@@PelonixYTOnly problem is when you’re paying this much money your average gamer just wants it to work.
@@sig3ldunc4nI your average gamer isn't going to spend this much money on a cpu, unless they are an enthusiast, which tend to be pretty knowledgeable with workarounds
@@PelonixYTThat's not how it works in reality sadly. Well tbh the people who are not that savvy just want i9s.
@@sig3ldunc4nI I got mine for the same price even cheaper than the 7800x3d so not sure
6:39 why are fps so low on cs2 my 6700 xt + 5600 gets more fps at way higher settings at 1440p
I have this cpu with a 7900xtx, I got this for the same price as a 7800x3d and for my use case of microsoft flight simulator it actually gives a bit better performance than the 7800x3d so I get about 30-60fps in 1440p ultra with the more demanding aircraft like PMDG 777 and Fenix A320 at airports like inibuilds dubai and heathrow. It has been way better than my old pc with a 5600 and rx6600 and performance has been amazing
What is the lesson I learned? Upgrade until 2025.
2028? Until next generation game consoles there is nothing major to happen, other than ARM starts working with MEdiatek+Nvidia or Qualcomm pushing Adreno drivers and clocks for perfromance...while saving energy...
@@InternetListener 2025 for a new Windows 11 build and game this new generation...and no, I am not going to wait for the next generation of consoles like the PS6...GTA VI will keep this generation relevant for a while...
@@takehirolol5962 Win11 is a hard sell, probably going to stick with 10 and switch to linux at some point. Sorry to all those power users that have to toe kiss microsoft.
Not for me, i have a 12700K with DDR5. I don't expect such a massive IPC leap in a very long time.
For PS3 emulation benchmarks the 12700K and 7800X3D are the same. The 12700K still has top tier IPC (vainilla Zen 4 is slower than Alder Lake).
The weakness of my 12700K is the DDR5 memory controller. Compared to a current i9 (even i7) it's bad.
ccd problem is killing this cpu performance if you try only 1 ccd accept to run, you gonna take more fps with e sport titles.
This CPU was made to be used with Gentoo
i didn't expect the 12400f to beat the 5700x...
I should probably mention the i5 was tested with DDR5.
@@IcebergTech ddr5 4800 like the spec sheet or better ? Z chipset board ?
Zen3 is one year older.
@@damasterpiece08 6000 C30 on a Z690.
@@IcebergTech whoa :o
Had the 7900x3d for several months now and its a damn good cpu, I would suggest the 7800x3d for sure if its pure gaming but for the price the 7900x3d is still a good bargin.
Do you think youll be able to look at some of the older AMD cpus? like the FX series or the early Ryzens?
I dunno, FX is pretty expensive and hard to recommend. Maybe one day.
Im shocked at 64GB 3D V-Cache 😂🤣 2:11
Even though this CPU isn't too smart of a purchase decision for the regular gamer, I still think that it's an interesting CPU. I also am impressed at the fact that the Thermalright cooler can tame it rather well at stock settings, considering how most of the 7000 series behaves.
7000`s are pretty cold actually. They have same problem as intel 13/14th gen however: bad IHS, and insufficient mounting pressure on many coolers.
Technically right now at least in the US, the 7900X3D has been discounted to cost less than the 7800X3D at some places
god bless process lasso
With a title like that I expected to see the CPU compared to itself with the non3D CCD disabled (theoretical 7600X3D). It would have changed some results for the better.
Should I have gotten a 5700x3d instead of 5700x. There was a huge price gap
3d vcache is a cool idea, but the problem is when you start hitting resolutions like 4k it literally doesn't matter anymore because you are gpu limited, and if you do anything else like video editing a non 3d cache cpu will be better. This is why I bought a 7950x
Also, these benchmark tests make no sense, you test the 7900x3d with a 7900xt, but other cpus were tested with a 6900xt, how is that a fair comparison?
I'm running a 7950X so I don't have to worry about CPU scheduling. It's nice when all the CPU cores are the same. Honestly I don't see the point of the 7900x3d
3D chips are probably for the gaming content creators. They would have the money and the regular use for them.
Hi! What do you think about zen 4 pricing in 2-4 month?
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So instead of making the CPU a bit more larger to accommodate proper space for its components they're now stacking one top of the other? will this method induce more heat than usual and how all the cooling system will act with this kind of CPU?
If you make a CPU larger horizontally, then it makes the electrical connections longer, which means it takes more time for the signal to travel, which is multiplied by billions every second. The idea with 3D chips is that you can stack them one on top of another for a more direct connection, which means less distance and time needed for the CPU to work.
welcome back pentium D
Man's got a 7900X3D with a 7900XT. The sheer satisfaction of the numbers matching would mean I'd never move on from this machine, because it won't happen again until the next planetary alignment.
Hehehe 7900x3d with a 7900 gre
Yay you're finally getting sponsered by companies who aren't sending you 20,0000 miniPCs every day. Finally
imagine the people who bought it thinking it has to better than 7800x3d
2:20
64 GB of cache! Dang, i could fit 2 whole OSes in there.
For me it sounds like the best of both worlds. Not everyone can afford to have two PCs with different focus, hell I can't afford one. The price I find a bit too high, but I totally get how this is in fact a great CPU. There is a good chance if I was in the market for an AMD system (lack of money as mentioned before means I am not), that this CPU would be my number one choice.
Thank you for this video, helpful.
I know not fair, but the C23 results for multicore are 10 times higher than my i7-4710HQ. Funny.
The price of the 7900X3D has been a roller coaster. It will bear watching when Zen5 is released -- might become an absolute bargain.
with now intel going nuts, i dont know about future discounts on amd unfortunately
7900x3d or 7800x3d
TL;DW - if you're into gaming, get the 7800X3D. If you're a content creator, get the 7900X. If you're indecisive, get the 7900X3D. If you're indecisive and have the extra money to spare, get the 7950X3D 😁
7500F or 5600, if not 5700x or 7800x3d just in case you want 4K gaming with high end gpu. 7800x3d if you plan to buy 5090 with the less possible bottleneck (less if SMT disabled)
7900x3d is probably one of the most unloved CPU in the 7000 series lineup
it tries to do two things and does not exceed at either, you're better of getting either 7900x or 7800x3d
I don't understand even its existence. How it comes you paired two faulty 2 cores ccd in one chip, is not possible having two versions of 14 cores isntead? the 6+8 and the 8+6 working cpus...?
@@InternetListener No idea, however I know it's easier with ARM tech, seen by Qualcomm/Mediatek etc with their 2+4+4 configs etc.
Thank you for bringing fortnite back into the mix. Appreciate it. Remember it's still astronomically popular.
I mean the CPU is basically 2 in one but I would like to see how it compares to a gaming CPU like the 7800X3d and a productivity CPU like a threadripper. (Maybe not a threadripper but something that is geared towards productivity)
Well there is a lot of threadrippers tbh...from xeon look-alikes to 128 core monstrosity.
They really shouldn't have bothered to make a 7900x3d.
Would probably have made more sense as a 7800X3D + an extra quad core ccd
The music is midnight racer backing track
says so is in the description