Russian Cases - Accusative Plural
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- An overview of endings for direct objects in Russian, with special attention to the subtle point of how animacy in the plural differs from animacy in the singular.
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Your explanations make me feel like Russian isn’t that hard. thank you.😊
What a masterpiece, exquisite explanation.
I always recommend watching Russian grammar rules videos with your firearms unloaded and locked safely away
LOL. Good solid advice.
I have a strange question. In your opinion, if Im speaking and unsure in the moment of which case I should use, do you think I should simply choose the Nominative as it will sound 'less weird' to the native Russian listener than if I had chosen for example Dative when it should have been Accusative?
Hm. I'd say try & get (guess) the correct case, since you might be right. If you use nominative all the time you'll certainly make mistakes, and I'm not sure that Я читал этa книга (nominative - incorrect) sounds any less weird than Я читал этой книге (dative - incorrect), when you want to be saying Я читал эту книгу (accusative, for direct object - correct).
I read somewhere that Nominative makes up more than 50% of all case usage, with the other 50% shared by the other five. So being an odds man, thought it could be a good strategy also! Also read Accusative is the next for frequency, after that I don't know. Would be good to know as a beginner I suppose, so we can prioritize our case learning.
Interesting thoughts! But keep in mind that certain really useful things to say do require other cases (for "I'm cold," you'll need dative, for location you need prepositional, to express "together with" you need instrumental, if you don't have something or it doesn't exist you need genitive... etc. etc.). I'm not sure how you'd prioritize those things in percentages.
A few days ago in a song, I heard the sentence “ будущая жертва собирает цветы» so in Russian, flowers are considered to be inanimate?
How would you recommend i should learn? Where should i start first? The Cases, The Aspect of the Vers etc.. at which grammar unit should i start and how should i move on to learn everything the best way?
If you just want to learn *about* Russian, it doesn't really matter. But if you want to learn to actively use the language (speaking, understanding, etc), you should find an experienced teacher or use a book written by one - Nicholas Brown's 'New Penguin Russian Course' is solid and inexpensive. Even the most basic Russian uses all the cases and both aspects, and it takes experience & care to introduce beginners in a way that doesn't overwhelm; so it's really worth having a guide to this rich and expressive language. :)
Russian grammar Okay thanks. Да, я хочу много говорить и понимать етот язык! (i hope that was right) Yeah i have started 3 weeks ago and always try to speak on a daily basis. Im currently learning with Babbel on my phone and aside that i try to learn a bit by myself with your videos and lessons. Я не знаю всё. Но я учу ещё! Я из австрии, hence my native language is german and this is really helping with the grammar and especially the cases. I hope i will succed and one day be able to really speak russian. That'd be a dream come true! The problem in Austria is that we barely have any russian courses and the ones we have got are wayyyy too expensive so i try to learn as much as i can by myself per internet and Babbel.
Russian grammar Also a freind of me lives in Kazakhstan and is a native. I find it also helpful to speak to him since he's native to russian
thanks for your video! but i have a question. when mascular animal singular, isn't it ends with nothing or -a? becuase it is written in my book i'm studying, but you said it ends with like genitive singular. i'm confused! help me please
+miraclehappen Yes, the masculine animate singular will look like the genitive singular, which should be -а or -я. So, animate: Я знаю твоего брата 'I know your brother' (looks like genitive: Вот ключи твоего брата 'Here are your brother's keys'). But inanimate accusative masculine looks like nominative: Я знаю этот город.
Russian grammar thank you. then when should i use -я? -a is mascular animate i got that but when -я used in?
It depends on whether the stem ends in a hard or soft consonant. студент ends in a hard (unpalatalized) т, and 'а' can follow a hard consonant, so use -а: Я знаю этого студента. Гость ends in a soft (palatalized) consonant, so we need a spelling that reflects that pronunciation; -я can follow a soft consonant, so: Я знаю этого гостя. Some books present this as two endings, but you can also think of it as just two ways to spell the same ending.
Russian grammar thank you so much! you really dissolved my twisted problem! :) i'm watching your videos, wish you know that alot of people are helped by you! thanks again.
Is этого accusative of этой? I read that этой could also be used in accusative, so it is true?
Masculine animate nouns in the accusative have endings that look like the genitive, so you can see этого in contexts like these: Мы видели этого мальчика = We saw that boy. Этой is used with feminine singular nouns in the genitive, dative, instrumental, and prepositional cases; I can't think of a context where it'd be used in the accusative, though: Мы видели *эту* девушку = We saw that girl.
If you perhaps meant to type этот, then yes, that's used with masculine singular *inanimate* nouns in the accusative: Мы видели этот паспорт = We saw that passport. This video might help clarify: czcams.com/video/5vSnigqIxCg/video.html :)
@@russiangrammar thank you so much!
It would have been better to start from the generalization that accusative is really nominative/inanimate and genitive/animate. THEN go into singular feminine being the exception to this generalization, with the punchline of the video being that catchy little rhyme. You could have done both singular and plural in under 3 minutes.
Interesting idea! I might try that with 2nd-year students. These videos were originally made for students using a book that introduced the accusative in stages - first the singular (carefully avoiding masculine animates!), then the plurals in a later chapter... presumably so students could learn, say, 'I received a visa' or 'on Saturday' before covering the intricacies of genitive plural.
@@russiangrammar Thanks for responding to my idea. Of the several dozen Russian tutors I've had, you're hands down the most clear-minded. I think it's harder for native Russian speakers to notice rules they find intuitive but this is probably your greatest skill. You think like a programmer or logician.
@@kemchobhenchod definitely agree here, comparing him to every other Russian teacher online like he really KNOWS how to communicate even the most difficult to understand parts of Russian imo. I've had many moments happen where I've been introduced to a new concept, get confused by that teacher's way of explaining it, just to then find it here and understand it completely.
i liked all your videos except the accusative one,it looks like unnecessarily complicated,can we say, all inanimate sing. and plurals accusative=nominative and all animate sing.and plural accusative =genitive?
It would be great if we could simplify it more - but keep in mind that in the singular, animacy matters only for the masculine - Я знаю этот город (masc. inanimate -> looks like nominative), Я знаю твоего брата (masc. animate -> looks like genitive).
Fem. singular is not like the nominative or genitive, regardless of animacy: Я знаю эту книгу, я знаю твою сестру.
The plural is simpler: any gender, animate -> looks like genitive: Я знаю твоих братьев, я знаю твоих сестёр. Any gender, inanimate -> looks like nominative: Я купил эти чемоданы, я купил эти книги.
It can help to memorize a few basic sentences like these so you can say them without thinking; they can serve as a point of reference when the rules are messy.
so if we exclude sing. feminine rule out of this, then we agree with what i say above in the question?
Yes, I guess that works.
You forgot that neuter nouns, whether they are animate or not, are the same as in the nominative case
I don't always bring up neuter nouns in this context since they're basically all inanimate anyway. The only animate neuter that I can think of is животное, and that does generally look like the genitive when it's a direct object: Я люблю животных.
Here's a potentially interesting question. (I like to ask those, don't I?) Of course most nonnative learners of Russian (& other Slavic languages, I hear) find this whole inanimate/animate thing awfully complicated; just look at the other comments on this video! But ever since I first discovered it, & was intimidated by it, I've wondered from time to time: Do Russians (native speakers) take errors in this regard (from nonnative speakers) personally? I mean, if I get lazy (which I probably will) & let slip something like "Я знаю эти женщины" (i.e. "I know these women", but nominative=inanimate) instead of the correct "Я знаю этих женщин" (genitive=animate), will people think I'm objectifying women, & get offended?
In my experience most Russians are pretty forgiving of mistakes. Now if you're otherwise completely fluent and you consistently make that mistake only - я знаю его друзей, но не знаю её *подруги (should be подруг), that might raise an eyebrow, but I don't think it's something to worry about too much.
@@russiangrammarThanks! That's a relief.
Why wouldn't you review what the genitive plural endings are? You can't assume a beginner will already know them. The logical order to learn cases in any language is Nominative, then Accusative so you can form the most basic sentences like "I see a dog."
I found your other videos helpful, but this was like trying to find the solution to a math problem on youtube, and the video tells you that you can find the answer on a calculator. If I already knew the genitive plural, I would not need to watch this video.
Carl, I would never assume that a beginner would know the genitive plural of nouns; since it's rather complex, I have 4 videos on the topic, in a different playlist (czcams.com/play/PLrIkLgUgjNHevnbPwv8lQG7NLQNd-5pLt.html). Many of these videos were made for students working from a book that introduced accusative plurals only after the genitive plural.
With due respect & best wishes, I would encourage you to follow the lead of experienced teachers (whether it's my channel, or Olga Jarrell's excellent Amazing Russian channel, or Nicholas Brown's New Penguin Russian Course, or mezhdunami.org) in deciding what to learn, in what order. There are good reasons many books introduce the accusative singular & plural (inanimate), then genitive sing. & plural, and only then the accusative plural for animates, in that order.
Caution is advised in assuming what's "basic" in other languages! Many books sensibly cover the prepositional before accusative, as a gentler introduction to case endings. "I see a dog" seems basic, but "I see cars" vs "I see dogs" vs "I see their husbands" is more complex. I'm currently a beginning student of Hawaiian and am often struck by how what's complicated in Russian (word endings!) is no problem in Hawaiian, and what's tricky in Hawaiian (o-class vs a-class possessives!) doesn't exist in Russian. :)