10 MVP Awards That Made No Sense...
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People need to remember that the MVP is a regular season award.
Embiid proved it this year
Yeah people do need to remember that since alot of people discredit other players on their past post season performance yet it's the postsoon not regular season
Facts this guy didn’t
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It doesn't help that the NBA doesn't announce the REGULAR SEASON awards until the playoffs have already started or have ended. They need to just announce them after the regular season but before the playoffs start
I remember the first Steve Nash MVP season and I recall the sentiment being, "hey, he's having an incredible year and was the catalyst behind this incredible turnaround of the Suns, so we have to give him an MVP because this won't happen again." But it did happen again, the next year, when he arguably deserved it more, since he did it all without Amare Stoudemire. I think if he would have lost it in 2005 to Shaq but won it in 2006--or 2007, which was probably his best statistical year--it would have made for a better story and wouldn't feel like they gave it to him because of some dumb narrative. And people wouldn't have such a negative view of it all these years later.
You Dont win an MVP averaging 15 ppg
He was just the best player on the best team
@@dalilahdarancou2335he was the best player on a team he made better smh 🤦♂️
youre right... also if you give him mvp in 2005, you have no choice to do it again in 2006 considering he was doing more with less. still those nash mvps were more a product of a narrative at that time instead of objectively giving it to the actual mvp.
2006 was kobe's year to win that. Take him off that 06 lakers team and they don't make the playoffs. Plus he took the suns to 7 games.
The Phoenix Suns of the 2000s were a very strong team that tormented opponents with a 7-second offense and run-and-gun, led by point guard Steve Nash.
Nash won the NBA Most Valuable Player Award twice during his time with the Suns, but it's a shame he never won a championship ring during his playing days.
Still, Nash was a pioneer in starting a basketball that would become a trend in the modern NBA.
Maybe, but what we are talking about is championships. It does not matter whether a player has 1 or 2 MVP's, if he does not have a champiomship ring, its useless. Where is Steve Nash's, Amare Stoudamire's championship ring to be honeat?
I'm a huge Kobe fan but Nash deserved both especially since they made Kobe quit in the playoffs
I still remember when wilt averaged 50 points and steve nash stole the mvp award from him 😢
Rimshot!
Nash turned a 35% win team into a 75% win team. The year after his second best player didn’t play the whole season and his team was still a 54 win team. Stop this Nash deserved both of those. Nash also had a strong case for 07 MVP being his but voters got tired of him winning it.
yeah but also because its possible for players to improve? individually steve nash didnt have good averages in the 06 season at all over kobe, literally the only case you could give is cuz his team won alot but thats literally team success. if someone had worse individual averages than someone but had a better winning record team, the reason for it is because STEVE NASH’S TEAMMATES had better averages than kobes teammates
@@justinhuynh9982 saying Nash didn’t have good averages in 06 is one of the goofiest things I’ve ever heard. It’s unfortunate Kobe’s teammates were ass but we’re going off what we had and Nash had a significantly better record, a top offensive player, and arguably the most impactful player in the league. As great as Kobe was he doesn’t have a case in my eyes. Case for best player in the league probably but as for MVP no.
@@mr.longjohn0014 steve nashs averaged werent good enough to be the best player in the league, its dumb that mvp is best player on the best team because MVP is most valuable player, which is the greatest player not the greatest player on the best team otherwise if thats the cass bill russells mvp against wilts 50 point average was rightly given to bill, and obviously it wasnt.
@@justinhuynh9982 who said he was the best in the league? MVP is almost never given to the best player in the league, Nash literally turned a lottery team into a 1st seeded team, and the year after without his second best player he still won 54+ games. Stop this Nash was legit the most valuable player in the league when he won those awards. If MVP went to the greatest player in the league then nobody outside of LeBron and Jordan would have any, use common sense my guy. Nash still put up elite numbers on 50,40,90, he wasn’t a crazy scorer but was top 3 in efficient given his volume, especially in the dead ball era of ball. Stop this my guy he 100% deserved those.
@@mr.longjohn0014 so you dont think hes the best player in the league but he shouldve won mvp because he was the best player on the highest seeded team? so bill russells the goat because he was the best player on one of the best dynasties of all time? mj and lebron should have won more mvps too so yeah thanks for pointing that out. when discussing the greatest player of all time, theres a reason why people talk about who had the best individual seasons and not who had the best team records each year. when we talk MVP we dont talk whos mvp by nba standards, we say whos the greatest that season not who was the best player on the best team that season, when we talk who was the GOAT, not many say bill russells the goat but hes literally the greatest player on one of the greatest dynasties of all time winning 11 rings. so obviously jordan, lebron and kobe should have more and im not even a kobe fan too i actually think people overrate him, but this take on nash deserrving the mvp is outrageous.
People forget that in the 2008 season Kobe was playing without Pau for the first half of the season because the trade didn't happen yet. And during that time they were around Top 3 in the West. So I think he deserved that MVP more than CP3 but CP did have a case
Exactly
Kobes mvp is fraudulent
@@Jake-bm7cu lies
I'm not exactly a LeBron fanboy, but watching the Cavs in 2019 was proof LeBron was MVP in 2018. I am a Shaq fan, but the team turn around of the Suns in 2005 made me believe Nash was MVP.
The Chris Paul argument should extend to 2012 also. The same year the league decided he shouldn't go to the Lakers. He goes to the Clippers and improves them by 14 wins. Not impressive enough? That was the lockout year!! They only played 66 games!! Meaning he led the Clippers to 14 more wins with 16 less games to do it in!!! They had essentially the same team with the same coach as the year before. Yet he finished third. WITAF?!?!
Considering all those other MVP seasons, DRose earned & deserved that award. What happened in the playoffs is irrelevant for that season award. Best player in the league on the best record with the last help at 21 years old.. nobody could stop him that season.. that's hof all by itself. It ain't stat award, it's a qualitative value award
Perfect analysis
Cap😂
Rose solo carried the Bulls to #1 seed in a conference with a freshly formed super team. well deserved mvp.
@@_M....the bulls was one of the best defensive teams that year bruh what
@@jaxson1211?
Allen Iverson should be mentioned more in 2005 mvp award list. 33 ppg and 8 assist. Lead the sixers to the playoffs and he only had an injured and old Chris Webber on the team that season
The early years of the NBA it was the players voted for who wins MVP not the Coaches nor the Media.
Again it doesn’t matter that harden flopped in the playoffs man it’s a regular season award
Bro it doesn’t matter if lebron eliminated rose that year it’s a REGULAR SEASON mvp
Fax
2006 Suns lost two starters before the season and then lost Amare when the season began.. and still won 50+ games
1998 Bulls were dealing with a lot of injuries.. and Jordan still dragged them to 62 wins
What lot of injuries?
They should make the BP award (Best Player), and it should be regular season AND post-season.
Thats basically the fucking fmvp, like last year the bp was jokic, 2022 the bp was curry 2021 the bp was giannis 2020 the bp was lebron 2019 bp was def kawhi 2018 is lebron 2017 the bp should be curry 2016 bp was lebron for sure 2015 the bp was curry 2014 bp lebron/kawhi 2013 bp is lebron 2012 bp was lebron 2011 bp was dirk 2010 bp was kobe 2009 bp was kobe 2008 bp could have been kg or pierce 2007 bp was timmy/tony parker 2006 bp was shaq maybe debatably wade 2005 bp was tim duncan 2004 bp was shaq/kobe 2003 bp was tim duncan 2002 bp was shaq 2001 bp Ai (voters fatigue because why not) 2000 bp was shaq
Most of them were just the finals mvp
MJ had an injured retirement home team in 1998. Pippen missed 44 games and Parish avg something like 0 minutes per game. they filled out the roster with old, past prime role players. MJ should have won 97' and 98'.
BS Toni Kukoc wasn't past his prime Pippen still played 37 games and the NBA was super weak in 1998
Only Rodman was older then 35 and he was still LEADING THE LEAGUE IN REBOUNDS WITH 15 RPG
Bulls had the 3rd best defense. Thats a team stat
"injured retirement home" BS. Jordan fanboy exposed
Great video I love your content
Iverson deserved mvp 🤷🏾 and Rose had a great season
10:12 *Bruce Bowen
Nash in 06
Led his team to a division title without Amare Stoudemire & Joe Johnson. He was able to get a career season from Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, Quentin Richardson & Boris Diaw. Plus, Nash had a career year himself. 7 guys had their best season.
He elevated that team in back to back years
When your talking about mvp there is NO reason the word playoffs should be mentioned unless your saying “led there team to the playoffs” but when you say “played better in the playoffs” it’s stupid the mvp award is already voted for before the playoffs even start
Lets be real if mvps was realistic we would have the same 3-4 players winning in each decade
In 1998 Pippen didn't play for the half of the season and MJ still led them to 62 Wins, so he won that MVP rightfully.
With Pippen Bulls were 36-8, meaning a monstrous %77 winning rate
Without Pippen they dropped to 26-12, which isnt very MVP worthy
Without Pippen at all, Jordan aint getting that MVP
Peole who think LEBRON should have won the 2011 mvp award are LEBRON fans and just watch LEBRON lol
💥💥 I swear y'all act like wilt chamberlain never played for the Philadelphia 76ers or Philadelphia warriors. Every time one of y'all youngins talk about wilt y'all always got him in a lakers jersey.
I have never seen such a mediocre team and it changed from one season to another just because of one player, which is the case of Jason Kidd. The numbers are not everything, you have to look at the context of the game and other intangibles. what robbery did they do to kidd
Almost Every year from 2003-2023. “You could argue that this mvp could have gone to LeBron
Bruce Bowen not Bruce Brown
Team Record shouldn't play too much of a factor, Kobe was providing a lot for his team but his mates were just not good enough to help win more games. Too much politics and bias too. It's become a 'meh' award.
First, if you see the team that D Rose was playing with, there's no argument he was the MVP.
Second, the argument that Nash and Kidd joined the team, and the team won more games than the previous season, is not really that valid, because is not like they were the only change that happened to that team that season
Steve Nash rightfully deserves the 2005 MVP award
It a regular season awards not playoffs
Yeah I totally agree the year Nash won, Wilt Chamberlain should’ve won it.
1:33 if the NBA actually put emphasis on "most valuable" as opposed to it being the best player, Chis Paul should've won it his first year in Phoenix.
Been watching Jonny Arnett
He said Bruce brown lol that was Bruce Bowen
8:47 " well nobody" a couple minutes ago he was praising Dwight for winning DPOY ik he's better obv but he doesn't even acknowledge Mutombo's existence when he won DPOY lol Iverson had a lot of defensive help just not offensive help
Shaq should’ve won the 1999 MVP and Kobe should’ve won the 2006 MVP also 10:11 “Bruce Brown” lol
No Kobe shouldn’t, no team in a 7th seed is getting mvp, idc how and your team is, ur not that valuable if u can’t at least sneak a 5th seed
@@aliciasplaytime6905 1982 Moses Malone and 2017 Russell Westbrook: Shut up lil nigga
I wish Jason Kidd won one. I know he would've made this list if he did😂(Tim Duncan)
Yeah Jason should have at least one in is career
@@enhancedutility266 I'm talking MVP, not a championship
@@jaykaynum5569 That's what I was referred to also
Yeah…. Duncan definitely deserves it more than Duncan, Duncan already made the difference to the roster for winning a ring 2 years into the league after being drafted no. 1 ovr.
Ahhh, the highly coveted MVP Award! … More like MBP: Most Bias Player 🙄👉✨🏆✨
James Harden should've won the MVP in 2015, 2017, and 2019 as well as just 2018.
Hey…put some reSPECT on D. West & Peja’s names
Jordan was the MVP of the NBA every single year he played up until 1998. He was clearly the best player in the game from the first time he stepped on the court.
I never heard LBJ mentioned in the Paul vs Kobe MVP debate. You must be a big James fan to even mentioned his name next to those 2 players
People need to remember the mvp award in both reg season and finals is an award based on opinions subject to bias and no consistent logic. And even your entire team winning which is dependent on so many more players than the one guy especially in finals
Nothing to do with proving who was objectively the best and greatest player at the time
There is a reason Steve Nash never reached nba finals. You cant have him as your leader and expect to be successful
you probably didn’t know about how dirty the spurs back in Nash’s day. bad luck aka injuries also plays a key role in the playoffs. just ask cp3 and tmac
I feel like they were too small n not good enough on d
The Suns win it all in 2007 if Horry's dirty tactics alongside the NBA's PTSD from Malice at the Palace didn't team up to co exist in one night, 2 ridiculous and strange events doomed them lol
Plus you have stern rigging games for the Lakers and Spurs
You didnt watch enough suns games with nash 😂😂😂😂😂
2011 they gave it to the right person.
Kevin Garnett deserved the 2005 award
The Wolves missed the playoffs that year, despite having a winning record (KG's last winning record with the team), so unfortunately there is no way he deserved it more than Nash or Shaq that year. Pretty much all were correct except for 2006, which Kobe deserved (his second best player was Lamar Odom that year, and Phil coming back is likely the reason they made the playoffs those two seasons before 07-08), and I definitely would have swapped MJ and Malone in 97-98. Iverson deserved it in 01 (second option was Aaron McKie, enough said), as did Nash in 05 (similar to Kidd in that he changed the culture of the team that had Amare, Marion, Joe Johnson, etc. on it the previous year and made them winners by getting rid of Marbury), Rose in 2011 (his second option was a committee of Deng, Noah, or Boozer), and Harden in 2018 (that was Harden and the Rockets at their peaks), and there is a really good case for either Kobe/CP3 in 08 (remember, Kobe had a top seed with Bynum, Odom, and Fisher as his supporting cast until the Pau trade so he had a similar supporting cast as CP3 much of the year) and Duncan/Kidd in 01 (Kidd having 26 more wins than Marbury and making the Finals with the same supporting cast and less impressive stats speaks VOLUMES for his impact).
Idc even if he averaged 100 no team missing the playoffs getting mvp I’m sorry
Honestly CP3 should have won. When talking about AI, everyone brings up his inefficiency but it seems rarely brought up with Kobe. Dude was inefficient and cost the Lakers a 4-peat early in his career.
Steve Nash's 2 MVPs were earned.
Austin sweatt is the goat
2005 mvp should have been AI
I know you didn’t just question hardens mvp season of course lebrons gonna have more of those stats by a lot playing 10 more games harden was by far more dominant
So Kobe should have 0 MVPS huh? Dumba**
Karl and Steve never played defense😮
honestly the 1997 karl malone shouldnt “clearly” been given to michael jordan. sure mjs team had more wins but mj had better teammates while only having 5 more wins and karl malone individually honest had better averages than michael jordan so “clearly” is a wild take. people only say this because its michael jordan and cuz he dominated the post season but its a regular season award
Jordan was better plain and simple. Jordan didn't have better teammates. Bulls won 69 games after winning 72. Now 98 is more of an argument. People forget Stockton missed the beginning of the season. Bulls and Jazz were tied for the best record in the league.
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 if you took a look at the stats side by side without knowing whos is who, karl malone would have better stats. people only think mj deserve it because hes mj. mj definitely had better teammates even scottie pippen was averaging 20 while placing 4th in dpoy. mj only had the edge in scoring but not by alot, while karl malone was the far better rebounder, with a tiny bit more assists. karl malone was more efficient and had a better true shooting as well. they both made first team all defense and had similar defensive stats as well. you can make a case for either one but saying mj was “clearly” better is dumb and hes only saying that because its mj
Nash didn’t deserve either one of those and I’ll forever resent him for that
People really dont understand value.
Man if you think Roae didn't deserve that MVP, you weren't watching
Shaq never changed the NBA Steve Nash did he was just to unselfish. He could’ve averaged 28 n 8 if he had chose to to. It was different times tho!
no way u just said shaq never changed the nba…
Nash was a pure point guard yall are so obsessed with ppg ,point guards are meant to facilitate offense
Nash should have won 2007 MVP
the season lebron averaged 30 8 7 and lead the trash ass cavs to the finals yea sure pal you cannot convince me
Bill Russel really robbed 2 mvps in 1 season😭 both sir Wilt and rhe Big O deserved 10x more than the super team merchant🤮
I don't know, Wilt showed every season in the playoffs that he was not that valuable
ppg is not the only important thing bro😂
Fr it’s a huge thing yes but I will take the 25 ppg on 70% over 33 on like 50% every time plus you have to factor in record context of the teammates they have and full season consistency
Nash deserved those Mvps and if you don't say so, is because you didn't watch him play or you are just a casual
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Chris Paul should have won the 2008 MVP and Kobe should have won the 2006 MVP.
He forget Giannis third straight he should've won that they gave jokic for his first MVP so Giannis really should've had 3 and jokic should've won his second third year and embiid none that's how it should've went
Embiid led the NBA in scoring back to back, he didn't get MVP because he didn't play enough games, Jokic got it that season... but let's not act like Embiid didn't 💩 on Jokic when they played, chill off the Embiid slander
Durant not getting MVP N his 50 40 90 wile scoring 27PPG witch only Bird have done n NBA history
Finals mvp>mvp any day of the week
I don’t agree, finals mvp ur outplaying 2 teams ur own and the opponent, mvp ur outplaying every team
@@aliciasplaytime6905 yea but playoffs >regular season and finals>regular season
Wait...this guy felt it should have went to Jokic? Lol. That's ridiculous. It was a 3 man race and everybody only had a minor edge over the others. There was no big gap for Jokic to the point of saying he should have won it unlike his previous wins. The biggest actual advantage among the 3 of them was Embiid's scoring. That was the deciding factor. Jokic fell off down the stretch and lost the triple double average along with the award. As for Nash. Yeah Kobe should have gotten that.
a lot of inconsistency and cherry-picking in this video... some years you just look at team records, others years raw stats and then some other years advance stats.
in 2005 nash did join 29 win team and won 62 games the year after, but look who he was playing with: amare = 26/9 and marion = 19/11. both guys were all stars and all nba. sure shaq had wade, but thats still 2 allstars vs 1 and shaq put up better numbers. also that year dirk had much better augment. 26/10, 49 efg%, top in advance stats, lost nash and still won 58 games without another allstar or all nba player.
in 2006 nash had better argument considering he put up better numbers and won 54 games after losing amare, however dirk was still a better choice considering he was doing more with less.
in 2018 lebron had better overall numbers, but then when you look at advance numbers haden was better:
per: harden = 29.8, lebron = 28.6
win shares: harden = 15.4, lebron = 14
box +/-: harden = 9.9, lebron = 8.7
also lebron had another allstar on his team, harden did not.
I don’t care what anybody says. Nash was the most deserving player, both times.
2009 should have gone to Wade!!
No, lebron had more wins beats him in every stat other than points
No lebron deserved all his mvps wade has no argument over lebron, scoring like a point more isn’t more impressive than wins especially who wade has a better team, like bro lebrons best teammate was mo Williams.
Joel Embiid should not have won the MVP over Jokic.
First of all the Chamberlain 62' season is a lie, he had 3 HOF teammates on his team, including a former 2x scoring champ, and 2 players that had won a ring just a few years prior to Wilt being drafted. On top of that the Warriors were dead last in points allowed that season, and had only won 49 games! Wilt honestly didn't legitimately win any MVP awards.
Players voted for the MVP
Players loved Russell and, plus your team, allow the most points.
Wilt was a stat padder and playoff choker.
@@bronxjewelix yeah it's not just a coincidence that as soon as Paul Arizin retired after the 62' season, Wilt missed the playoffs altogether. That's not even the worst part. After getting swept in the first round by the Syracuse Nationals, Wilt basically teamed up with that team a few years later and that's who eventually won his first ring with. He pulled a Durant 50+ years before Durant did
@@hakeemolajuwon4352You have to be a gold medal level hater to think that move and Durant’s move is the same. Not to mention he beat them in the playoffs the very next season
@@chieflancewaiters7034 yes of course it was Wilt that beat the Nationals and it had nothing to do with Paul Arizin avg 27p, 7r, 3a .... that's why as soon as Arizin retired Wilt missed the playoffs
I think its stupid to say kobe shouldn't have won 2006. He legit averaged 36, 2 60 point games. One 81 point game, in my opinion the best scoring season considering the pacing at the time. Carried legit nobody to playoffs. Largely why I consider these youtubers stupid and casuals. Russell westbrook had one of the best mvp awards and was a 6th seed.
Nash deserved the mvp u saying kobe should of won whole using the ppg argument shows you dont know ball..
@@WADESGOATED ppg isnt the only argument and to add to that, thats the first person to put numbere like that since Mike. He led a lakers team of no allstars at all to the playoffs. The scoring side was self explanatory in that season for Kobe. People like you try to claim you know "ball" when you sit behind a screen and push a stupid ass agenda. I have played this sport at a high level for more than a decade.
There's nothing astonishing about Wilt not winning with that stat line. Because EVERYONE knew Wilt was a gimmick.its a shame modern fans and media don't understand that.
Why would he win mvp 2 years earlier in his rookie season then?
@@chieflancewaiters7034 he wasn't a meme quite yet. There was no offensive goaltending back in that time, lots of books written at the time verify Wilt used to literally steal shots from his teammates by putting home "lobs" not meant to be passes, or just getting fingertips on it like in volleyball. There's a reason none of his teammates spoke glowingly about him after he retired.
@@kevinwillette5161They speak of him as a Legend. Almost 30 years after his death and some people even consider him The Greatest Of All Time. Stop hating 🤡
I still don't know how people think Kobe should have won the 2006 mvp, when LeBron and Dirk had a better season than him. How valuable is a player when the team isnt winning at all. It's more than just numbers. Losing Amare due to injuries show how valuable Nash was to that system, the 2005 season was not a one year wonder.
Bill Russell deserved his MVP over Wilt and also dominated him in the finals to win finals MVP
kobe never deserved an mvp
2nd
it's weird the ones I think were undeserved were Russ and Jokic second mvp which aren't on here. they were given a stat awards on 6th seeds which is absurd.
No
@@alexandermendez4653 yes
@@_M....No
First
the NBA is tripping Steve Nash must have paid them to vote for him cause there is no way
So you’re saying that the MVP should only go to players who average over 20, 30 and 40 points even if they are a bottom half playoff seed and even worse, stuck in no man’s land and a lottery team
Olajuwon not winning MVP or DPOY in the 89'-90' season where he averaged 24ppg(#10), 14rpg(#1), 174 steals(#7), 376 blocks(#1) on 51% FG, is the non MVP season that will never make any sense.
On a 41 win team
@@melvynsngltn27 yeah, Shaq could never lead a team that bad to the playoffs ever in his life. That's why Olajuwon is the greatest
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 please rookie Shaq had the same record as prime Olajuwon. Hakeem was overrated lost in the first round most of his career. Played 18 seasons only had four good playoff runs
@@melvynsngltn27 Shaq got swept 5x in the 90's when all the real centers were playing. Olajuwon was averaging 37p, 16r in his first round losses, he wasn't getting swept and dominated by Rik Smits the way Shaq was. Olajuwon made Shaq cry on the court
@@melvynsngltn27 Shaq had super teams and still only had 4 good playoff runs, and one of them he was carried by another all time great guard, Wade! Lol Shaq got manhandled by little 6'7 Rodman, and Rodman couldn't guard Olajuwon to save his life
THIS IS WHY MVP IS USELESS! TOO MUCH BIAS!
MVPs should also be always taken with a grain of salt. Medi bias is real in voting. Most people know Lebron should have a few more but voter fatigue kicked in.
What? he doesn't even deserve all the ones he has
hater spotted u dont even make sense@@hakeemolajuwon4352
@@hakeemolajuwon4352😂😂😂😂 u can make an argument that he doesn’t deserve anymore but saying he doesn’t deserve his 4 mvps is wild. 2009 2010 was literally so obvious it’s lebron that even Kobe fans agree, 2009 Kobe and wade were the next two closest. Lebron beat both in wins and averaged 2nd out of those 3 in points and leads them in every other category, 2010 there was no contender, Kobe was not close im sorry, wade in 2010 was not the wade in 2009. 2012 was an argument between lebron and kd, lebron averaged 2 less points but beat him in every other category and won more, 2013 I don’t need to explain he got robbed unanimous mvp by a bitch who literally said “I know lebron is the best player but I still voted Carmelo Anthony cuz I hate lebron” he didn’t actually say that but u can search the man that robbed lebrons unanimous mvp and watch his discussion
Kobe was the MVP in 06. Don't kid yourself. He outscored Dirk & his entire team in a game BY HIMSELF. The 7th seed? Okay but with that roster? In that WESTERN Conference?? That 7 seed is honestly impressive AS HELL
Please his team was no worst than Allen Iverson or young LeBron
@@melvynsngltn27 You've got to be joking me. 😑 Those teams were actually great defensively. That's so stereotypical to mention those teams. Alot of solid role players on those squads.
@@melvynsngltn27 And again those teams were in weak Eastern conferences. In the West they probably wouldn't of even made the playoffs. But Kobe DID
@@grantrmoore Kobe didn't the Lakers did
@@grantrmoore the Sixers would of made the playoffs with Iverson
Who da hell is bruce brown?
He meant bruce bowen