We May Have Fixed The Problem With The Ratback!
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- čas přidán 13. 04. 2024
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After 2 days of work that lead to disappointing results, we're finally onto something with the ratback bed. Check it out!
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PUT A SAFETY PROP ROD ON THAT BED!! You need one so when the day comes that you have to work under there you don't get squished by the bed if the hydraulics happen to fail.
Came here to say the same thing, had a farmer local to us die lately from his grain bed dropping on him.
And probably a safety hook to prevent the bed from lifting if the hydraulics fail.
Absolutely!
Safety meeting! 😅😂🤣
@@whatsoutthere6822 The guide plates he put in, could easily have a pin added.
I drove a dump truck for a long time. Don't forget a safety prop rod, and we ran something like 1/4" teflon strips between the bed and frame to keep things from squeaking
My thought also, metal to metal will be so noisy and vibrate. Teflon will last longer than the metal. Good tip Chevy
Paul: What you call "failed" is what I call good content. Right or wrong, change of plans, good or bad, it's all content that holds interest to watch.
When your designing something from scratch the first concept is far from the ultimate product
Hello Fab Rats. Just one small thing needed for strength on the new frame. You deffo need some 90 degree angle plates on your cross member joints. If you don’t do this you will get to much latitudinal twist and you could even roll your truck over when loading/unloading, even on a flat level surface. This can even be caused by the wind when your load is being put on or off. Hope you don’t mind, I’m only trying to help. Keep up the good work and never give up
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Paul did mention that they still have to put some in.
So you don't agree that welding a 14ft bed onto that frame is going to brace it sufficiently?
Over and above the numerous crossbraces and hydraulic fittings that it already has.
Each of those cross braces is 4inches across at either end.
For my tuppence worth I reckon that rig is going to be plenty strong enough.
I would however look at coming up with a method to ramp from the end of the deck down to the ground.
I'm left wondering what the material benefit to a vehicle recovery it is, to have the deck able to tilt - when the end cannot reach the ground, to roll vehicles up it?
Maybe Paul should've watched RAD, to see how Rudy created his rollback system from scratch.
Its not for recoveries. He said before it will jjst be for hauling the FJ@@gordonmurray3153
I like it most when Paul smiles and says, “gaining on it”. He knows he figured it out, it’s going to happen and he likes it. I also like it when Sean says, “perfect”, cause he knows stuff. Respect to all.
I'm going to say something once thank you for staying the same person you are as when you started the channel ..have a good afternoon sir
Paul when you have the bed up for service you need a Safety "leg" that folds out to support the bed in the up right position, so the hydraulics don't bleed down with you between the frame and the bed rails.
PAUL!! You have the hoist mounted backwards, range of motion should have top arm pushing to the rear. Just like last vid when you had the rams backwards.
That was absolutely a Larry, Curly, and Moe moment when you 3 bumped heads. 🤣
Definitely a greater mechanical advantage if you'd turn the scissor lift 180° ! Also you might need to install physical stops in your cylinder to prevent overtravel on retract. If cylinder isn't fully bottomed it will eventually bend or break your frame
Paul, you mounted the hydraulic scissor pivot in backward. I've installed these scissor style lift on a few dump trucks, and it lifts up with the center pivot point to the back of the truck.
All that welding and hydraulic fluid and battery electricity and NO FIRE!!
Not a typical FABRATS video!!
Love your show!
i think you should add cross bracing from the inside edge of the hinges to the other corner of that section. both in front and behind the hinges. to stiffen and support that high load area.
I was hoping they would use heavier style greaseable hinges on that but its theirs to do with what they want to.
Having a couple pick ups with dump beds I cuss the installers for not putting in zerks to grease the pivots.
My PTO driven pump puts the electric over hydraulics to shame. The plus side of the electric is you can put a wireless remote on much cheaper and easier.
@@georgevindo hinges the whole way across would be my suggestion. and lots of cross bracing on both sides of that first section.
Cool workaround to solve your issue but, i hate to say it, your hyd hoist should be the other way around, not to say it won’t work the way it is just a bit less efficient.
Really enjoy you guys videos 👍
Ahhhhh! I wish I was there to help. I’ve got a killer design to simply switch out the rear hinges and replace with a 24” bearing slider allowing for a partial auto roll back capability. I wanna see some grease zerks on those rotating channels boys. Great job!
Send him a sample of your plan ..... Maybe go and help Paul build it
could be the new wood truck , would make empting real easy.
"Everything's nice and stout" Everything reminds me of Ben.....😀
I miss Ben.
I hope Ben and Randall are doing well!
Wow looks great! A little "sleeping on the problem" and you've figured it out!
add telescoping ramps to the rear store underneath the aluminum deck or on/under the frame of the tilt, Looks great!!!!
i love how no fluff no gimmick these videos are. fan for life, keep up the awesome Fab jobs
Hey Paul, Don't be so hard on yourself. You are more than smart when it comes to "figuring out/thinking through" the "process" of making something work properly. 👍🏼 Great Job Y'all ❤🙏
The new plan is looking a LOT better. Things are working out.. finally! LOL!! "Why didn't we do this in the first place?"...Boy, have I asked myself that one a bunch of times!! LOL!!
I just love the way you figure things out and make it work!
Scrapping the rollback allows less to go wrong in the future. Less moving parts is easier to maintain and fix. 👌
Maintenance was the same even if he would have kept the flat nose Isuzu cab. No difference he gave that to Merlin so no more tossing money into it instead he's tossing it into something beautiful
Love to see hunter and Landon really coming along great. You and Shawn are great teachers 👍💯🙏
Problems are nothing more than opportunities…to do more work!
The previous days were not failures Paul, they showed you what did NOT work thus you arrived @ the point with what will work! It is all part of the planning/execution and final production process! Congratulations are in order!
It will turn out to be a super tilt/dump/flat bed truck!
You have done exactly what I was thinking last week. For one who can figure physics building your own dump bed always works better than using one from another truck. The key component is the hydraulic cylinder. Everything else can be built to fit.
I have driven daycab semi tractors in neighborhoods and rural roads. The fairing at 12' takes out tons of branches and stuff constantly. Never mind the 14 trailer on the back. Prepare to replace things.
BRILLIANT.
Sleeping on something provides solutions. Awesome work.
You could still turn it into a rollback. Put rollers inside a C channel on the outside of the frame you just built.
All those white out pens and still using a sharpie😉 Nice work
I knew you would figure it out ! You guys have enough hours in, that rollback is really taking shape ! Great work !
Time away to rethink. Stare and think. A plan that's on to something. A lift and tilt base frame. Simple, solid, workable solution. On to more greatness.
That truck looks awesome. I love that cab. Putting it on a new frame with a functional lift is to haul your trucks is the coolest thing I’ve seen in a long time. Sure beats that yellow international tow truck I’ve seen around.
Nice work ! 👍
The way you guys get pieces of metal and weld them together and make something that works out, means y'all must be some kind of ing-ga-nears ! 👍
On the computer, everything works perfectly; but out in the shop, everything evolves.
--- Thanks for great upload. ---
He can just load the wood truck on it! LOL
Thanks for a longer video……..enjoyed !
17:28 You must have missed the package opening day last week. Paul opened a box full of Silver Markers.❤
This is one of my absolute favorite builds and the sound of that exhaust I love it!!! 💯 % beast
Looking good! Nice to see the "FAB" in full action again. That will be good for side by side recoveries also.
When in doubt...build it stout! Looks amazing 👏
If you trim the approach, end of the bed. It could be hinged to be the ramp. Just swing under with a slam latch. The bed will remain the length you want and a hinged section to fold under. Less work. Later installing a hydronic ram to extend and retract it as needed. Just a thought. Even a pneumatic ram to the job.
Love the show. Pretty sure you got the ram set up backwards, the hoist clam should be eating the cab.
Good morning everyone 🤙🏼! Finally some ☀️ in nothern Jersey😎😎
You might want to make a lock for the hydraulic cylinder in case you need to work under it.👍 You can attach it to the frame when not in use, look at any piece of farm equipment and you’ll see them.
For a Fab Brick Hater you messed up on this one Paul, form over function will never work out if a lower overall height is your aim, you started down that road when you picked that chassis, then you compounded it with those huge fuel tanks, you should have stepped the chassis and had tandem axles you'd be at least a foot lower, have rectangular tanks as cab foot boards, build that if you can.
That thing gets better every week. I can't wait to see it complete. 😎👍
Thanks for this video guys sometime u win sometimes u loose glad u found something that works
I think Paul is learning from Robby on how to be a dairy farmer and how to milk a cow. 😂
Wow
Good things take time!!
Take your time and get it right 👍🏻
Good men
Put you a safety brace you can put under raised bed and lower it down on it to keep bed from falling on you if you are under it working on it. Nice job.
Whoop! Whoop! I dig the ratback so much
Hey Paul youre going to need a mansfield bar on the back with all that overhang.
Maybe something that can be removed. But not too heavy. Because that would kill the departure angle for off-road recovery's
@Kevin-ti3rz on rolloff dumpster trucks they fold so they dont get in the way
My old truck had a pair of dogs at the front of the dump frame that slid into the bed to lock it down so that if the hydraulics failed and you were loaded heavy to the rear the bed stayed seated also helps with frame twist when heavy loaded ...
Some kind of a crash bar would be a good idea given how much overhang you have off the back of that. Wouldn't want to accidentally decapitate someone if they rear ended you.
They do have that massive bumper/hitch to reinstall. Good call.
OMG you had all that stuff on backwards! The tilt rams go in front of the axle and the pivot at very back and the end of the frame behind the axle.
U try to tell them or give them ideas and they don't listen we're only trying to help
thats what I thought ?
I told them that last video
Yes your comments are only about 2 weeks 2 late I figured y'all with all the brains would remember these are shot and the job was finished prior to being released. Meaning the jobs been done way before your 2 pennies were thrown out he will fix what doesn't work. Give it a couple weeks.
Hey Paul , Just a heads up, your hydraulic. cylinder needs to be at the bottom of its stroke when the the bed frame is down. If not every time you bring the bed down your cylinder will be trying to overtravel and will eventually break the mount on your bed. This can be avoided by a little measure taping and installing stops internally in the cylinder.
Ok that looks good, now go the final step. Make some C channel which will fit over the outside of the dump rails. You can use nylon slides or small ball bearings so the C channel will slide on the dump rails. attach the bed to the C channels, add a ram in the back behind the dump ram. Now you have a fully operational roll back.
You could add climbing holds to the bed and take it out as an attraction if you get a spare afternoon - goes almost vertical so would make a nice leaning wall for kids.
Almost, half way to making a tilt slide tray. 2 lengths of PFC to go over either side of your RHS, 2 short lift rams towards the front of the tray, frame work on top of the PFC's to hold them in place and allow them to slide along the outside of the RHS with the long ram from your other tray.
THIS. What I’ve been saying all along!
@@travelin_taco now don't go all Pythagoras on us!
This is what I love about this channel. I figured that there would be a great comeback after some awesome imagineering… ❤❤
Maybe get something to lock the bed down to the frame while driving it offroad? Drill a hole through the front guides into the fram for an easy locking pin/bolt. From the rear after the hinge you could add a part or ramp that slides out so you don't need the high tilt angle
Instead of cutting the front of the bed and removing a section, you could cut the tail section and make it hinge so it folds onto itself while hauling but still give you the extra length while loading and unloading. This way, you don't have to lift so high to get the tail on the ground. Might come in handy when using it to haul anything other than the FJ.
Nice work boys! and I second a safety/work under bar!
Love no fear as u weld over top a fuel tank could have used that fire blanket😂
Diesel is a lot less flammable than gasoline 😂
Real life rat trap though
Don't worry. It is 'close'. It'll be fine! haha Hunter, he's stepping up and doing a lot more hands on work off camera. You might lose your cameraman to shop helper for you and Shawn. Can't wait to see this beast in action.
When I built my 49 dodge c.o.e roll back in 2016 I ran into the same problem I finally gave in and used a frame from a 07 sterling ( ram with a fancy name) with a 6.7 and 6 spd been great for the last 8 yrs
Love the content but I just don’t see how you’ll have enough capacity on either the suspension or the single tires to haul the FJ
It will have a stronger dump with the hoist the other way around.
Thinking about his boost gauge. Two options. 1 Use a 30's headlight assembly cut in half on the dash. 2 Build a GTO on the hood style gauge assembly. Personally I like out on the hood for visibility.
It's good to see progress being made on the Rat Roll Back! The plan is starting to come together!
It’s no longer a roll back… ☹️
@@justingould7348 Yep, I should have called it the Former Rat Roll Back!
11’whatever isn’t too tall to haul the FJ down the road, most tractor trailers are 13’6”. Granted the truck still should have been stretched and had duals or a tandem axel but you should have put the work in to make a roll back. I know my opinion means nothing but I am extremely disappointed. You destroyed that poor little roll back for no reason. You should have just cab swapped and 4x4 converted that or taken the time to redo the frame and suspension any one can have a dump bed.
It's too tall for the person building it, that is all that matters.
Honestly after seeing Rudy build the mini roll back for MisAdventure Labs there’s no doubt in my mind that if you took your time to redo a lot of your mistakes and make some major changes you could have built a roll back. It’s not my truck, I realize that, but as a viewer this is extremely disappointing. Yes,, there’s lots of other channels to watch but a lot of us have been waiting close to a year to see an off-road rollback and you get invested in things. It feels like this is just a cop out. If this needed to go on the back burner so you can get other obligations out of the way so be it. All and all it’s none of my business but still it’s a big bummer.
Build your own. Film it. Edit the videos. Release them regularly. Go tow people in between tasks...film and edit that too. I am now totally invested in this idea so you better do it or I'll be really miffed.
Paul, I have an idea for you. I noticed half your windows are cracked in that rollback. If a school bus gets so much as a chip in their windshields they have to be replaced. Just go to one of the school bus maintenance shops and get the their cracked flat glass you need to replace.
I had a 49 Ford pickup which I replace pretty much all the glass in from school bus windshields. Front split windshield even ended with the blue tinted viser line at the top of the window. They're easy to cut with the string and lighter fluid trick.
Where the front is is always one vertical tab each side to stop the top tip bed part twisting out of line with the bottom rails (chassis) when in the down position. Just might remind you what you already knew Paul? The Cummins sounds real business like!
Sometimes you win, Sometimes you learn. The tilt bed will be a good setup! 👍
You make the bed slide as well. Means that the angle you will have to raise the deck too won't be too steep for most loads.
If you build a narrow frame and put some divets where the front tires go, you could lower the combined center of gravity even more. You'd have to do something about the toolboxes and fuel tanks though. Maybe get some flat ones to mount between the frame in the middle under the bed.
Remember to put mudguards that cover the splash up on the back wheels and attach them to the bed. And you could afford to make them tight and repurpose some tuck neoprene, and you would be golden
Fab Rats Rocks !!!💛💛💛
You may have failed the first time but this time you did a really good job getting that frame put together for the flatbed awesome work
Missed seeing Michele, but I am sure she is still looking amazing as always! Great job boys! Even if you put the hoist in backwards! lololololololololol Love you guys!
I’m pretty excited to see the bed on that baby. Your gaining on it !!! 😎
You guys are living the dream! Keep doing what you’re doing!
Coming together nicely. Now need to put the ally top on it, make sure it's long enough for what you want, won't matter if it sticks out the back another foot or two.
If you add some stake pockets to the deck you could build some removable sides and then use it as a dump truck when not hauling vehicles.
Paul's favorite word now is ( I like it), make a fab Rat's shirt with that saying on it
That's 3 words 😂
Like your truck. I'm looking forward to seeing 👀 it on a recovery.
Depending on how long the flat bed tray is you should mount ramps that slide out from under the bed that are track width that don't interfere with the subframe. Use spring latchs to hold the ramps in place while extended and closed to allow a more subtle load angle without the need for additional bed length other than what's required. As Paul would say "I don't see why that just won't work."
If you ain't making mistakes are you even doing anything worth doing? ;) Sometimes, you have to get to that point where you realize all your plans aren't gonna work. That's what I've always enjoyed watching this channel for is the level of ingenuity that comes out of everyone. That truck is already pretty sweet and will be completely awesome when it's done.
Yes yes going to look so cool with the bed on it.Very well done guys
Amazing as always. Paul, you are such a good role model.
Morning Fab RATS Family❣️
Don't you just love it when a plan comes together??😎
She's LOOKING GOOD, boys!!!
What will you put between the steel frame and aluminum bed to prevent electrolysis?
Will there be some kind of "safety" pins on the front of the bed to make sure it doesn't flip up if there is a heavy load on the rear of the bed?
What about a safety brace underneath (for use when the bed is up), in case of ram failure?
Nice to see Landon, Grayden, Grandma Lolly -- missed Michelle in this one!!!
Safe travels, friends ❤❤
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Tilt bed or roll back, it’s going to be sharp! How about some side boards that can double as ramps for sbs recoveries? Great channel, love the projects!
Great job looks sharp. I was thinking since you have an old school look. Put an old fashioned round bubble beacon on the roof, the roll bar or a pole on the Front the bed. That would look sharp.
You may want to build some swing-up support arms to rest the bed while working on the hydraulics, suspension, etc. This will keep the bed from crashing down while working on it.
Gal dang it. How cool is that. Progress!! Thanks I needed some motivation!
What a bummer, all that work for a rollback. The dump bed with some long pull out ramps maybe? Adapt & overcome, you guys are amazing!
Fantastic job guys that bed is going to turn out awesome. Shaping up to be a great multi purpose build. This is DEFINITELY NOT me adding every single idea to my build sheet for a build in the future.
I love it!, there are tape measures *everywhere*.