I have the Ford Hard Wire Connector and it's fantastic charges at 48 kwh beautifully and takes about 5 hours to get to a full charge from 50mi. So impressed with this charger and glad we installed.
Thank you Tom. This is a very timely and informative video. I am scheduled to receive my Mach E in March and I just added a 240v 14-50 NEMA outlet to my garage. You have convinced me to charge the vehicle with just Ford's mobile charger. Based on my expected usage the mobile charger will be more than adequate.
wow what a blessing that I found your video because I have a tesla wall charger but I have the mustang mach-e that I just bought, I thought I had to buy a charger for my mustang and I just learned that with just one adapter I can charge it without any problem thank u.
New material, informative video, accurate information. Great review. The charging aspect is one that most reviewers only briefly touch on before moving on. This breaks it down very nicely and answers a bunch of my questions.
Great video Tom for the new Ford EV owner. Easy to understand and very educational. I agree, use the home unit first to see if the higher amp unit is needed. We have just purchased our second Tesla and will be installing the Tesla unit for faster charging. Prior to the purchase, the 110 volts were sufficient. Always enjoy your non biased information and just the facts.
Hey Tom thanks so MUCH! I just seriously started thinking about an EV about a week ago and since then I have been devouring videos about evs. I am only half way through this video and already I have learned more in just 7 minutes than I have with the last 4 to 5 videos I have watched. I am definitely a newbie to the EV world and I needed the basics. You have provided that and more. Thanks! Clicking the SUBSCRIBE BUTTON NOW! LOL!
Tremendously helpful! Our Mach e arrives in about a month. My wife's average daily drive will comprise 30 miles at most. I was already researching, ie. looking on Amazon, for the charging station to buy. Now I realize we should do fine with just a 240 v. outlet in the garage coupled with the included adapter.
Thanks for another outstanding review. You and Sandy Monro are my go-to experts on BEVs. Hopefully when the public understands EVs better, manufacturers will properly name EV Source Equipment. For now, most only understand chargers used for their phone, tablet, and laptop. I endorse your claim that this equipment is not a necessity for EV charging. Over the past 3 years, I’ve conveniently charged a Tesla at 3 homes using the included mobile connector running at 32-40 amps for up to 29 mi/hr.
While a wall EVSE unit is not technically needed, in some places local incentives make it so you might as well buy one even if you don’t need it since it will net cost you nothing (or maybe even net you a little extra cash, as was the case for me). By having a dedicated wall mounted unit, you can just leave the mobile charger in the car and use it while traveling or have a backup in case your main EVSE acts up or malfunctions. In Michigan where I live, the local utility provides a $500 rebate for residential EVSEs (funded through the VW Diesel-Gate settlement). Rebates like this is pretty common in other parts of the country too, I believe, though the rebate amounts may vary. In addition, everyone in the US can also get a 30% off tax credit for purchasing and installing an EVSE, assuming they have federal income tax liability (expires end of 2020; not sure if it will be extended as part of the big December funding bill going through congress). So, a $600 40 amp EVSE would not only be free, but net you a $80 (less sales tax) profit in the end. I installed mine ahead of the Mach-E in order to be sure to qualify for the 30% federal alternative fueling tax credit before it expires. Good to see verification that I will have no problems charging the Mach-E with it (using a JuiceBox 40). Thanks Tom! The expensive part for me was installing a new 240 volt circuit to the garage. But that would also be needed with the mobile charger in order to get reasonable speeds.
I’m on my fourth 3 year EV lease (2020 Chevy Bolt this time), but I rent my home my home and don’t want to invest in a dedicated circuit on behalf of my landlord so I’ve never had 240 volt charging at home and never found it to be a significant problem. Don’t get me wrong if I owned the house I would definitely do it, but in 10 years I’ve only found it to be a very minor inconvenience to EV ownership.
@@peterwright837 Nice that you don't need 240, if your daily trip is only 40 miles or less you can recoup that overnight. What if you have to go further though one day? Do you find a DC fast charger near your house? I travel 120mi per day, (when the pandemic is over) so I would have to have at least 7Kw charging. When I finished my garage this summer I ran 6 gage wire out there so I can have up to 48 amp charging. If one of the 20 amp 120v garage outlets is on a circuit all by itself, you could swap the breaker to a double pole (240v) and change the outlet to a NEMA 6-20 plug to double your charging speeds, provided you buy a nema 6-20 charger, which they have on amazon. This only applies if you have 2 garage circuits though because you'll need to have a 120v plug accessible in the garage as well. But this could be a way to get more charging power without having to renovate anything and can be done for less than $100, and also switched back easily when you leave.
@@andrewt9204 the electrical circuits in my 60 year old rental house are pretty flaky. I’m pretty sure when the landlord added on an extra family room and bathroom she just extended the existing kitchen circuit. If I run the microwave for more than a few minutes while charging my car and have anything else running the breaker trips and my computer shuts down. Fortunately, my commute is 4 miles and my wife’s is 10. Once we got the Bolt with over 200 miles of range our usual pattern was I would drive in Monday to Thursday, and she would drive it to work on Friday’s, because the level 2 chargers are free at her office. That way we had the car fully charged for any weekend adventures. Obviously, our approach wouldn’t work for everyone, but it’s been great for us.
@@peterwright837 Bummer, I hate improper wiring. That could be pretty dangerous to have that much of a load on one breaker. Both the microwave and car use ~75% of the capacity individually. I'd avoid doing both if possible, the breaker could fail. That's nice that she has a plug in at work, seems like you have a good plan.
Tom, excellent video! So many Mach E owners on Facebook that has no idea about all this, I have been providing some direction on that platform but man so many have no idea .. I will direct them to this perfect video covers everything they need to learn .. again awesome video! Also as you know we recently got the Audi eTron and the ChargePoint home “charger”, gets to see you confirm my setup is ready for the Mach E as well .. 8 weeks to get before delivery .. can’t wait !,... Omg Tom this line was so funny lol @ 8:10 .. omg lol 😂 good one... Tom, the only other thing, I still have my model 3 and the Tesla wall unit I am going to get another ChargePoint unit because I want to keep track on all my charging season, plus have the ability to stop / start and schedule charging and remotely control the amps delivered etc.. also I park my cars on the outside of my garage do you know if the provided Ford charger is for indoor or outdoor uses?
You can use it outdoors. However, if you plan to do so often, I'd recommend securing it to the wall with some kind of holster (I'm sure someone will offer one soon as they did for the Tesla mobile connector). Because you don't want people stepping on it, running it over by accident, or resting in a puddle if it rains. It's just better to have it elevated just in case.
Really great video. I’m glad you made this video. It’s very important. As people are considering to maybe get there first electric vehicle this is information they need to know. Please make this video again in an even shorter format with a title like easy ev charging basics but make the video even shorter for a spouse or someone short on time. Also, please make a video about current best practices for multi family dwelling charging infrastructure. People in apartments need charging solutions and management companies need to see how easy, attractive, and lucrative EVSE solutions can be.
Cesar, about 1/3 of us population lives in apartments, condominiums, and other multi-dwelling buildings. I am one of them after downsizing from a large home. This is a huge market for EV adoption but charging is a big impediment. Management at high end apartments and condos have seen the benefit of EV Source Equipment, but the remainder do not. They don’t want to pay for additional electricity, the equipment, and installation. For direct billing usage to EV owner, ChargePoint gets $7000 or $240/mo for 5 years (very expensive). Add installation cost which could be $500 to several thousand. Tesla is working on a direct payment solution using their WiFi Wall Connector but there’s no schedule for release.
Just stumbled across this channel. Thank you very much for this video. I really enjoy your calm and informative style. Easy decision for me to give a thumbs up and sub to this channel. I'm looking forward to see some more Mach-E or other electric car related videos in the future.
Great video. I just picked up my Mach E, last night and was not certain if I wanted a FoMoCo Connect charger, a 3rd party or just stick with the one supplied. Thanks to your well done review and objectivity, I am following your advice. I am going to use my Mobile Charger @240 and see how I feel in the coming weeks or months. :-D I have directed my friends and colleagues to your video for a great bit of knowledge. Keep up the relevant and impactful work, sir. I greatly appreciate the confidence you've given me in moving forward with this decision. Cheers mate.
Nice touch that Ford includes a NEMA 14-50 connector. I wish the Chevy included one for the Bolt. I borrowed one for my road trip across the US, but fortunately I never needed it. I also bought a Tesla to J1772 adapter which came in very handy. Over half the hotels I stayed at only had Tesla destination chargers.
Tesla used to but doesn't anymore. I had to buy one separate. Tesla's various adapters are only $35 each but it's kind of annoying that it isn't included.
Very well explained charging segment Tom Look forward to your review of Electrify America DCFC segment on charge curve from 10-90% to see where the charge point drops are in that range for road trips Bjorn does this but he won’t have this car to test so we are relying on your expert opinion. Thanks, from Vancouver Canada
Autoblog was not very impressed with their mach e ea dcfc experience. www.autoblog.com/2020/12/24/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-chargepoint-electrify-america/
@@4literv6 sounds like another user who doesn't know what they're doing or the battery was cold, cold batteies always charge slow, Bjorn showed how the his Model 3 only charges at 39kW when cold
@@johnchartrand5910 UH huh, sure someone who owns an electric vehicle and writes reviews on electric vehicle use. Drove a new 2021 major manufactures latest vehicle to a charging station which supports a function that same manufacture brags about. Despite that tech being in use by another competitor for over 8 year's now, and lo n behold? It didn't work as advertised. So it must have absolutely been user error, despite their experience with bevs. Despite they used multiple charging stations and called for help from ea while there to try and sort out the slow charging curve. Don't forget this same person also wrote a nice overall review on the mach e driving experience itself in a different article. But it's definitely "user error or pre production issue's" that explains the issue away. 🤣
@@4literv6 actually it still does, my examples are I personally have over 900dcfc on trips in my Bolt and never once had a real issue and the Taycan just set the Cannonball BEV record using EA
I got a tell you Tom I’ve never seen a bigger head to head battle than this ID4 and the Mach e. Neither one quite available yet and I am here in California. Both around the same price both around the same specs and they both get the same big discounts but with the three years unlimited charging compared to four or five times at the fuel station I know which decision I would make. Hypothetically as I have a model three and and E Niro for my wife and myself.
I think they will appeal to slightly different consumers. The Mach-E will compete more with the Model Y. I think the ID.4 will take more buyers from gas cars like the RAV4 and Honda CRV.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney you have drove both of them and I am thinking about the cheapest model of both: with no other outside influences like charging and all the specs and ranges the same which one would you want? I think they are so similar that the three free years of charging would make the difference for me.Volkswagen software currently worries me though
@@John-209 For me, I'd take the Mach-E because it's sportier. But if its going to be used as a family hauler where cost & utility are paramount, then I think the ID.4 is a better choice.
Good job on your video with e for electric. I came over and subscribed. I might have called him out a little harder lol 2-3 hours a day plus driving to the charger lol. I hope not. I'm picking up my model y this morning! Decided against the Mach e even though I'm a ford guy but In Saskatchewan Canada where I live ev charging is a nightmare. It's getting better but Tesla still has the most chargers here right now. Might be better by the time I'm ready for my next ev. Plus seemed like actually getting a Mach e before my year end at the end of Feb was unlikely. Need to get my write off on this year's taxes
Nice Job with recommendations (I've been an EV driver for about 4-5 years and I agree with most of what you say). The only thing I might have a little "discussion" ;-) is that 95% of my charging is with 110v charging. With the larger batteries, this gives a larger "reservoir" should you need to drive further a day or two in a week. With people driving an average of 30-35 miles/day, and plugging in as soon as you get home from work, most people have from 6pm-6am to charge their cars. Thats 12 hours which actually gives more charging than you would need in a 30 mile/day. This allows you to have a day or two where you are driving further, because the larger battery can store the "surplus" on the days where you just drove the "average 30-35 miles"...By plugging in every night, you will soon make up for the extra energy used for that one or two days of extra driving...especially since its an "average" of 30-35 miles that people drive...which means, some days, you might just drive 25-30 miles that day...which allows youto make up the difference even quicker. I hope that makes sense. At least thats how it works out for me. I have a 220v "charging station" installed in my garage, but I very rarely use it, because I believe, that charging at 110v is better for the health of the battery versus 220v...at least thats what some people say, and even if its not true, its a safer bet. But...Having a 220v charger installed is nice, because its a safety net in case you need it!
Great video though I wish you did the deep freezer test on the mobile connector. Almost more important for it to be playable in cold weather if you have to coil it up tight to put it in your trunk. I would also love a head to head review of the various mobile connectors.
Bonus points for having the most electrified "studio" in the business! Great stuff as always, cheers Tom. Do you know if Ford has additional adapters available for purchase/use with the portable EVSE they supply? 10-30 for older dryer outlets, for example.
1. Get an industrial 1450 receptacle installed near where you will park the car. 2. Plug in the car. Use the Ford app to manage the timing of the charge. 3. Put window cleaner and shop towels in the frunk since you’ll never be at a gas station again!
The only drawback to using the Ford supplied EVSE as your only home juice supply, is that it has to be available to go with you when you drive away. There are unforeseen emergencies that will require you to have an EVSE with you.
So it is very compact and portable, you just unplug it and put it back in the supplied carrying case. In most instances, if you find yourself short on juice, you should be able to find a public charging station, preferably a DC fast charger, but there are areas in the country where they are hard to come by. But understand, you most likely won't be able to find a NEMA 14-50 outlet to plug into if you're on the road somewhere, so the mobile charger isn't going to help (and charging at level 1 is not going to be fun, you'd be better off just getting towed at that point). Also, I understand the "unforeseen emergencies" edge case. But I've been driving EVs for 11 years now and honestly, I've only had a couple of times in nearly 300,000 miles of EV driving where I needed to alter my route/plans to find a plug and charge up. If you can charge at home, you'll leave the house with a "full tank" every morning and unless it's common for you to drive hundreds of miles in a day, you won't have many instances where you have to find a charger.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney , I live in Mississippi, public charging is not a reality here. I have a B-Class Mercedes and always have my car EVSE with me. Look at a map of commercial charging sites in the US, there is great big hole in the map where Mississippi and Alabama are.
@@markbullock3741, Unfortunately, there are places in the US like Mississippi where there isn't much in the way of public charging infrastructure and yes, you should carry the mobile connector, just in case. But the problem is you most likely won't be able to find a 240V outlet that you can plug into. Charging on level 1 is terribly slow, especially if you're waiting in the car for it to charge so you can make it home. Plus, the B-Class has about 1/3 the range of a Mach-E with the big battery pack, so there much less of a chance you'll end up needing to find an outlet one day so you can make it home. But, I do get your point. Everyone's situation is different. You must consider your EVs driving range, your driving needs and the infrastructure around where you typically drive.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I understand most RV parks have 14-50 outlets. Seems like a great revenue source for a declining industry - Do you know availability? I know the plug is compatible.
@@brucefarber9875 Yes, they do. Some do allow EVs to charge and pay by the hour, and some require a daily rental of the stall if you want to use it, and it becomes very expensive. I think RV parks can be more useful if you're going to use them for a long, planned trip moreso than an immediate need to charge up a bit to get home. On a trip, you can call ahead, speak to a manager, and get the rates and schedule your stop. If you just pull in and ask to charge the clerk may not know how to deal with that and just tell you no.
Good to know that Ford is including a NEMA 14-50 plug for the mobile charger. I was fortunate to have my 200amp breaker box in the garage and only needed a NEMA 14-50 outlet a few feet away. Cost me $250 to have that plug installed by a licensed electrician. If you're ok with Chinese evse's, you can buy a 32amp Level 2 unit from Amazon for around $300. I bought one on Black Friday for $248.
Sounds good. One thing I can tell you is I've been doing EVSE reviews for a while now, and I've had hundreds of people email/message me about their equipment and I have had many, many people report to me that the low-cost EVSE they bought worked well for a year or two and then died. I'll be reviewing some of the low-cost Asian imports in the near future.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Well, I regret buying it now. The NEMA 14-50 plug and cable leading into the charging unit is now getting very hot during charge sessions. So hot that you can't touch the cable. I have unplugged it from my outlet and have gone back to using my backup evse, a 16amp unit.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney It was branded 'Lefanev'. I may try opening the case and replace the short NEMA 14-50 pigtail to see if that resolves the issue. But definitely a story for your viewers to spend a little extra money and get a quality UL listed unit.
I'm pro tech and all but charging times will need to improve before I buy. I plan to buy a hybrid next go around. I do own a lithium ion lawn mower and it has served me well the last several years.
Good video overall, but I disagree with the contention that *everyone* needs Level 2 charging. Pre-covid, I only drove ~15 miles per day. I drive Ford's 2nd EV (Focus Electric) and I've been fine with Level 1 for the last four years. Anyone with a short commute likely doesn't need to spend the money, especially with a long range car since you have a bigger buffer for an occasional longer trip. I can replenish on the weekend if needed, but I wouldn't care leaving the house most days with only 40% battery if I had a Mach E.
Thank you. Yes, I do understand that there are some low-mileage drivers that can charge @level 1 just fine. However, I really think they(you) are a very small minority. You wouldn't want to limit the utility of the vehicle because you can't replenish the battery when needed. But if that works for you, that's great. I'd still probably install the NEMA 14-50 outlet so I could plug in the mobile charger and charge at 30-amps on the rare occasions when I need to. :)
Also, there can be some long term cost advantages to faster charging speeds if it allows you to stay within your electric utilities Time of Use rate hours (many offer plans allowing for cheaper off-peak-demand electrical rates; for example from midnight to 6am). With level 1 you may not be able to fully stay within the cheaper energy rate timeframes. Granted, that savings may never offset the costs of installing a 240 amp circuit if you don’t already have one already.
@@jonsummers3453 Yeah, even at a $500 install, the savings of going from 11c to 4 or 5c for off-peak would be well over one hundred 10-80% charge cycles. And at only 15 mi/day in his case, that's several years in payback time.
I did notice you have a lot of videos on wall-mounted chargers and I'm glad you mentioned the Mach-E comes with the mobile charger. BUT... I'm now seeing people online asking about using the mobile charger for travel ... and plugging into someone's 30 amp dryer outlet (which isn't a good idea). Have you reviewed any mobile chargers that can be dialed down to say the 16-24 amp range -- which would be safe to use in a 30 amp outlet?
Note from the future: Tesla network will work for Fords,and around 2025 models will use the Tesla plug on the vehicle. Soon, Ford will be fully compatible with Tesla.
6:40: The actual charger is built into every electric car Well said sir. Thanks so much for bringing that up. I think if everyone understands the concept of EVSE/EV charging, there will be no second thoughts in getting a wall-mounted connector at home (for those who are able to). Many new Tesla owners who have never owned/leased an EV think that only Tesla wall connectors can be used to charge their cars at home -- which is not true.
Great video as usual Tom I have two questions, one is using the Tesla adapter plug you could potentially use a Tesla DC fast charge station to charge for example a Mini SE would the difference in voltage and capacity be a issue? and two testing your various EVSE equipment were the units shutting down before unplugging the supply cord from the MachE?, it did not come across clear in the time lapse video and is that done once you press the release lock? thanks once again for the videos.
You cannot use an adapter to charge any vehicle on a Tesla DC fast charger (Supercharger). There's a communication process that authenticates the vehicle before dispensing any energy. The adapter would allow you to physically plug in, but the Supercharger will not put out any energy. However, if Tesla were to allow that, the voltage would not harm your EV. But you would then need to get an adapter that can accept the higher power. These adapters are not meant for such high power delivery and would likely melt. You can, however, use the adapter on the public destination chargers that Tesla has installed all over the country at hotels, restaurants, ski resorts, wineries, and other popular destinations, so it's handy to have one. No, the units weren't shutting down before I unplugged. They all worked fine and only shut off once I pushed in the button on top of the connector to release it from the car. I had to time-lapse that segment or it would have taken too long.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks Tom just to be clear there was no charge current flowing when the EVSE were unplugged correct? and I see the adaptor does not have the DC fast charge connection but you say you can use it on the Tesla public AC network which as you say would be a handy option to have, thanks
@@moff1959 There's a button on top of the J1772 connector that plugs into the Mach-E, (and any EV that's not a Tesla) you have to depress that before you try to pull the connector out. As soon as you begin to depress it, the charging session ends and the power is cut off, so you can't unplug a car that is actively charging.
this is a great video. every specific for people who actually might own the Mach-E. also appreciate you wearing a mask, even without other people in the video
Hi Tom, Do you plan on reviewing the Ford Connected charger now that it is back to being available through Ford? Your videos have been a so helpful for me, I really appreciate all you do. Thank you!
That Tesla to J1772 adapter is pretty neat. If a Mach-E owner buys an adapter, should they just get the 80A adapter version since the Mach-E will always try to pull 48A? I'm just thinking at a random hotel with Tesla wall chargers set to 48A or more, the 40A adapter might not be a good idea.
So since I recorded the video, I found out that there are 50-amp versions of the adapter now available also. I would recommend spending the extra $ and getting the 50-amp one so you know you're never going to have an issue. Here's a link to one: www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=17&product_id=99 BTW, I do not earn money from referrals.
So nice job introducing this topic, question I have is about using a NEMA 14-30 outlet and 30 amp breaker. That’s what is installed in my garage now. This topic has not been addressed. Power supplied is clearly more than the standard wall outlet but less than from 50 amp breaker. I have seen adapters avail to to make the connection. Have been told it’s not recommend to use this method. Why not? Help!
Hi Tom. You can certainly use the NEMA 14-30 outlet in the garage. It's not recommended to use a simple pig-tail adapter because you could accidentally pull more power than the outlet is able to handle. If everything works as it should, the only problem is you'll trip the circuit breaker, but you don't want to rely on that. If you do this, you need to set the car (in the vehicle settings) to limit the maximum power it will accept while charging at your home. That is actually a location-based setting that you need to set. I'm actually making a video now that explains how to do it, so look out for the video soon. You can also buy a SplitVolt or NeoCharge unit that will safely limit the power for you, I have videos of both of those units here on my channel so look them up.
Does Ford offer a NEMA 14-30 pigtail option for the mobile connector? Do you know if Ford offers the mobile unit as a separate item to purchase? Can you tell if Ford makes the unit or farms it out? If so, who makes the unit? Thanks for the great video!
I'm sure Ford gets this from an established first-tier supplier. I didn't check but they will have to sell it separately from the parts departments. No, there's no 10-30 adapter available - yet at least.
Hey Tom, I do 30 miles a day driving, home for 16hrs. Is it really not recommended like you say to use the 120 connector? I have to buy alot of extension (and punch a hole in the wall) to reach my dryer outlet or electrical panel.
That's my plan to try first...usually drive 30 miles and am interested to see if I can get by with 120V and 3 miles of charge per hour to keep me topped off. If I drive much farther one day, I could stop at one of the Level 2 chargers nearby and get up to 80% quicker, then do the rest at home.
If 120v charging works for you then that's great! I just hate to see you (or anybody) not be able to utilize the vehicle to its fullest, because you don't have it charged enough. That said, 16 hours a day plugged into a 120V source will get you around 50 to 60 miles of range replenished. So if you're driving less than that you're golden! It's just that not too many people will fall into the same category. It's also helpful if you live close to a DC fast charger, in case you need to quickly recharge to travel to an unexpected far away destination.
@@SeanCaldwellvo Definitely test out what works for you. But you definitely don't want to be waiting at a Level 2 charger while the car charges, unless you only need 10-20 miles added.
Should work fine for you! I got by fine w/ my Tesla for 6mos on 120V/15A plug, I have a short commute, less than yours. Similar speeds on level1, 3-5miles/hour. I kept adding overnight thru the week and by the end, I was full, could do a day trip or more and got low again... then caught up again during weeknights... or supercharged if I needed a boost. (This is where a good DC fast charge network helps, when you need a quick boost and don't want to wait hours.) Remember, EVs now have over 200-300 miles range, technically, you could drive most of the week w/o charging, before it gets low... but daily overnight, you should be back full again, or even get ahead.. If you have a busy week THEN a roadtrip or extra errands on weekend, then you do need to be more careful and keep up w/ the L1 charge... that's the only downside. I installed a 240V/50A NEMA 14-50 circuit and outlet myself w/ contractor help, less than $500, and now my car is always full the next morning as needed... definitely makes things easier and quicker. I actually often charge reduced power at around 10-16A (2-3KW) on weekend mornings, to match my rooftop solar... literally, photons hitting my own roof, go right in my battery. Nothing from the grid!
I would try using 120v first. If you really only drive 30mi/day that would be fine. If you move or your location of work changes further away, you'll probably be in trouble at over 40mi/day. If you get a tesla, buy the NEMA 5-20 adapter to use on a 20A outlet in your garage, it will get you another 1-2 miles/hr. That could be all the difference if you're on the edge of your daily range recovery with the included 15A plug. Most garages wired in the last 30 years should have a 20 amp plug (plug where one of the blades is horizontal). Otherwise having a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed by an electrician to the garage is fairly cheap in most cases. Usually between $300-1000 depending on difficulty and utility rebates.
This was amazing info! Nowhere else have I seen this in depth charging info given, which is crucial to learning about EVs. Can you do this for the Audi Etron or Etron Sportback? Or would it be roughly the same info as this Mach E video?
Was there any information with the the Ford charger if it works on a 30 amp circuit? In other words will it automatically, or by setting, use 26 amps so as to not overload a 30 amp outlet? Like those use for an electric dryer with a NEMA 14-30 outlet (adapter required)?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thank you. I did look over the Ford Parts site and I can only find the 2 plug adapters (ford Par# 14A411) no 14-30 as a part.
My guess is they will be available at some point (hopefully) like the Tesla mobile connector adapters. Otherwise why would Ford bother with making a replaceable plug if you only get 2 options anyway. 2 options is better than 1, but still. If I get a Ford EV in the next year or 2, I would like to be able to get a NEMA 6-50 adapter for the mobile connector to charge at 40A on my welder outlet as a backup if the wall EVSE ever takes a crap.
Tom, great video for us gasoline heads that are starting to look at EVs more seriously. But if the actual AC to DC conversion and charger is built into the car, what does an EVSE actually do? IOW, why can't you get the same charging rates with a 240V cord directly plugged into the car as with using an EVSE? Just trying to understand what these devices add to the equation and how they accomplish whatever it is that they do.
Thanks for this very helpful video. I am trying to figure out if the Ford mobile charger is okay for use outdoors. All videos I've watched talk about using this charger in a garage. I don't have a garage and would need to do my year-round nightly charging outside. Is the Ford mobile charger durable enough to be used nightly in rain and snow, cold, and heat? It gets up to about 35C where I live in summer and down to about -25C in winter. I could make a covered box to mount it on if need be. Your thoughts are appreciated.
Awesome video and the one with details on mach e loved it. I have question i been looking to install home charging system. Should i go with ford connected system or ford connected system pro or tesla universal wall charger?? I think all 3 can charge mach e greatly. What are your thought? Please suggest i am really confused.
I'm rather confused, I'm seeing that the Mach-e 2022 has the Type 2, yet EVSE likes Chargepoint home flex has J1772. Looking at the diagram for their shape and the placement of the port I'm not sure if Type 2 port will fit J1772? I was hoping the video would get more into it. Can someone with the 2022 Ford mach-e talk about this?
do you recommend using the provided Ford charging cable if you are charging at home but outdoors? Or is a hardwired system preferred due to weather etc?
i just ordered a premium mach-e, pretty excited, wont be ready until 6 months though, Jan-Feb most likely they said....... is there any risk of the tax credit being unavailable then? I assume its going to take longer than 6 months for Ford to sell enough to run out of tax credits? IIRC it took Tesla years.
What does that button in the middle of the Mach E charge LEDs do? It looks like it locks the plug in the car, but it would be great if you could explain. Thanks!
While I didn't test it, it's supposed to release the connector from the vehicle. I'm not 100% sure of the point of it though. Because charging stops when you depress the button on top of the J1772 connector. It won't prevent someone from unplugging your car, because anyone has access to the button since the port is open while charging. I will follow up with Ford to get a better answer.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney thank you. Maybe you need to first unlock with car key? Maybe micro switch on plug will not interrupt charging if plug is locked to car? My e-Golf ignores plug micro switch at all times (probably violating J1772 protocol).
Hi Tom, I bought a Mach-E GT model 2022 just 6 months ago. So far, I only charge my car in my garage with a 240V. It used to show 270 miles at 100% charge but recently it shown around 230-240 miles at 100% charge. I brought my car to a Ford dealer and had them reprogram then it came back to about 265 miles at full 100% charge. Now, it shows around 230-240 miles at full charge again. What can I do to bring the charge back to 270 miles at full charge? Thank You, Sanh
I should be receiving my Mach E GT in the next two weeks and appreciate the ton of info from your channel. Based upon some info I got from your videos, I have a question. To not waste money, I plan on running 6/2 wire (6/3 is now double the price) @65’ across my garage. Can I wire a 14-50 plug without the neutral wire, so I can plug my Ford supplied charger (EVSE) directly and not have an ugly 6-50 to 14-50 adapter? Thanks in advance.
Could the Ford mobile charger be plugged outdoors like the Tesla’s? It looks so clunky in comparison to the Tesla’s. Im very excited for the Mach e but am concerned with the potential horrible depreciation vs the Tesla.
I have a Tesla and charge it using the mobile charger on a 240 volt outlet. However, I believe the outlet is wired for 30 amps. I now have a Mach e but the Nema 14-50 30 amp adapter that comes with the Mach e has a different plug and would require that I upgrade my home's wiring to use the adapter. Instead, I am considering purchasing a Teslatap adapter. The Tesla mobile provides 32 amps. Is it safe to purchase a 50 Amp Teslatap adapter for regular usage on the Mach e or should I only get a 40 Amp adapter? You suggested using an 80 Amp adapter for the Tesla Wall connector.
Is the FMC intelligent enough to know the amperage of the line it's on? I need to visit someone with a 30 amp line, necessitating a limit of 24 amps. Will the Mobile charger limit the amps? My VW eGolf lets me limit the amps it will accept while the Mach-e will not. I don't want to buy an aftermarket evse if I don't need to. Most aftermarket will let you choose the amperage.
Sorry for all the stupid questions, I believe my panel Circuit breaker that holds my dryer is only 30 amps, the free charger that ford gave me on my MACH-E Would I be able to use that on that plug where my dryer is without it tripping that double pole 30 amp breaker? Thanks
Hi Tom- all of your videos are very informative so thank you! Our Mach e was delivered yesterday but Ford is not selling there 220/240 charger right now. Which wall connector would you recommend works best and would work well with other brands (Tesla) to use with in the future. Thank you-
There's a lot of different choices that can work just fine for you. Personally, I would install a NEMA 14-50 outlet and buy a 40-amp charger that can deliver up to 10kW. I wouldn't worry about getting an 11 kW unit (the max the Mach-e can accept) because you'll barely even notice the difference in charging time and the 11 kW unit will cost more and cost more to install because it requires a 4 ga wire as opposed to a 6 ga for a NEMA 14-50 outlet. Plus the 11 kW unit needs to be hardwired so if you ever have a problem, you can't just unplug it to send it back for replacement. I have quite a few reviews up on the channel of 40-amp units that would be great for the Mach-E.
Nice job explaining the charging. I have a E Mustang on order being built this month. To use the the 32 amp charger that comes with the car would I need a 40 Amp minimum 240 electric outlet?
Fantastic video. Just the best information. Thank you.
Thanks for the pin Tom 👍🏼
Thank God! Someone finally did a charge video for people who charge at home.
The more competition on EV markets the better.
I have the Ford Hard Wire Connector and it's fantastic charges at 48 kwh beautifully and takes about 5 hours to get to a full charge from 50mi. So impressed with this charger and glad we installed.
Thank you Tom. This is a very timely and informative video. I am scheduled to receive my Mach E in March and I just added a 240v 14-50 NEMA outlet to my garage. You have convinced me to charge the vehicle with just Ford's mobile charger. Based on my expected usage the mobile charger will be more than adequate.
What was the cost of adding such an outlet to your garage?
@@carsoncunningham7993 cheap if breaker panel is located in the garage. If not, can be expensive.
wow what a blessing that I found your video because I have a tesla wall charger but I have the mustang mach-e that I just bought, I thought I had to buy a charger for my mustang and I just learned that with just one adapter I can charge it without any problem thank u.
Im glad the portable is in this video as well to cover each option.
Tom provides a thorough explanation of home charging options for the Mustang Mach E, very well done!
It took me 6 days, but I have back watched all the videos and I'm currently up to date with the videos on this youtube channel.
Thank you!
New material, informative video, accurate information. Great review. The charging aspect is one that most reviewers only briefly touch on before moving on. This breaks it down very nicely and answers a bunch of my questions.
Great video Tom for the new Ford EV owner. Easy to understand and very educational. I agree, use the home unit first to see if the higher amp unit is needed. We have just purchased our second Tesla and will be installing the Tesla unit for faster charging. Prior to the purchase, the 110 volts were sufficient. Always enjoy your non biased information and just the facts.
Hey Tom thanks so MUCH! I just seriously started thinking about an EV about a week ago and since then I have been devouring videos about evs. I am only half way through this video and already I have learned more in just 7 minutes than I have with the last 4 to 5 videos I have watched. I am definitely a newbie to the EV world and I needed the basics. You have provided that and more. Thanks! Clicking the SUBSCRIBE BUTTON NOW! LOL!
Thanks! Stay tuned - I have a lot of EV charging videos on the horizon.
Tremendously helpful! Our Mach e arrives in about a month. My wife's average daily drive will comprise 30 miles at most. I was already researching, ie. looking on Amazon, for the charging station to buy. Now I realize we should do fine with just a 240 v. outlet in the garage coupled with the included adapter.
Thank you for the information. This is a new world for us to learn, and you make it easy to understand!
Wow, Tom, great "summary" for new EV owners
Thanks for another outstanding review. You and Sandy Monro are my go-to experts on BEVs. Hopefully when the public understands EVs better, manufacturers will properly name EV Source Equipment. For now, most only understand chargers used for their phone, tablet, and laptop.
I endorse your claim that this equipment is not a necessity for EV charging. Over the past 3 years, I’ve conveniently charged a Tesla at 3 homes using the included mobile connector running at 32-40 amps for up to 29 mi/hr.
While a wall EVSE unit is not technically needed, in some places local incentives make it so you might as well buy one even if you don’t need it since it will net cost you nothing (or maybe even net you a little extra cash, as was the case for me). By having a dedicated wall mounted unit, you can just leave the mobile charger in the car and use it while traveling or have a backup in case your main EVSE acts up or malfunctions.
In Michigan where I live, the local utility provides a $500 rebate for residential EVSEs (funded through the VW Diesel-Gate settlement). Rebates like this is pretty common in other parts of the country too, I believe, though the rebate amounts may vary. In addition, everyone in the US can also get a 30% off tax credit for purchasing and installing an EVSE, assuming they have federal income tax liability (expires end of 2020; not sure if it will be extended as part of the big December funding bill going through congress). So, a $600 40 amp EVSE would not only be free, but net you a $80 (less sales tax) profit in the end.
I installed mine ahead of the Mach-E in order to be sure to qualify for the 30% federal alternative fueling tax credit before it expires. Good to see verification that I will have no problems charging the Mach-E with it (using a JuiceBox 40). Thanks Tom!
The expensive part for me was installing a new 240 volt circuit to the garage. But that would also be needed with the mobile charger in order to get reasonable speeds.
I’m on my fourth 3 year EV lease (2020 Chevy Bolt this time), but I rent my home my home and don’t want to invest in a dedicated circuit on behalf of my landlord so I’ve never had 240 volt charging at home and never found it to be a significant problem. Don’t get me wrong if I owned the house I would definitely do it, but in 10 years I’ve only found it to be a very minor inconvenience to EV ownership.
@@peterwright837 Nice that you don't need 240, if your daily trip is only 40 miles or less you can recoup that overnight. What if you have to go further though one day? Do you find a DC fast charger near your house? I travel 120mi per day, (when the pandemic is over) so I would have to have at least 7Kw charging. When I finished my garage this summer I ran 6 gage wire out there so I can have up to 48 amp charging.
If one of the 20 amp 120v garage outlets is on a circuit all by itself, you could swap the breaker to a double pole (240v) and change the outlet to a NEMA 6-20 plug to double your charging speeds, provided you buy a nema 6-20 charger, which they have on amazon. This only applies if you have 2 garage circuits though because you'll need to have a 120v plug accessible in the garage as well.
But this could be a way to get more charging power without having to renovate anything and can be done for less than $100, and also switched back easily when you leave.
@@andrewt9204 the electrical circuits in my 60 year old rental house are pretty flaky. I’m pretty sure when the landlord added on an extra family room and bathroom she just extended the existing kitchen circuit. If I run the microwave for more than a few minutes while charging my car and have anything else running the breaker trips and my computer shuts down. Fortunately, my commute is 4 miles and my wife’s is 10. Once we got the Bolt with over 200 miles of range our usual pattern was I would drive in Monday to Thursday, and she would drive it to work on Friday’s, because the level 2 chargers are free at her office. That way we had the car fully charged for any weekend adventures. Obviously, our approach wouldn’t work for everyone, but it’s been great for us.
@@peterwright837 Bummer, I hate improper wiring. That could be pretty dangerous to have that much of a load on one breaker. Both the microwave and car use ~75% of the capacity individually. I'd avoid doing both if possible, the breaker could fail. That's nice that she has a plug in at work, seems like you have a good plan.
Tom, your doing a FANTASTIC job with each & every video! You will go far! 👍👍👍
Thank you!
Tom, excellent video! So many Mach E owners on Facebook that has no idea about all this, I have been providing some direction on that platform but man so many have no idea .. I will direct them to this perfect video covers everything they need to learn .. again awesome video!
Also as you know we recently got the Audi eTron and the ChargePoint home “charger”, gets to see you confirm my setup is ready for the Mach E as well .. 8 weeks to get before delivery .. can’t wait !,...
Omg Tom this line was so funny lol @ 8:10 .. omg lol 😂 good one...
Tom, the only other thing, I still have my model 3 and the Tesla wall unit I am going to get another ChargePoint unit because I want to keep track on all my charging season, plus have the ability to stop / start and schedule charging and remotely control the amps delivered etc..
also I park my cars on the outside of my garage do you know if the provided Ford charger is for indoor or outdoor uses?
The Ford mobile charger is designed to be used every day outside laying on the ground. It'll be fine.
You can use it outdoors. However, if you plan to do so often, I'd recommend securing it to the wall with some kind of holster (I'm sure someone will offer one soon as they did for the Tesla mobile connector). Because you don't want people stepping on it, running it over by accident, or resting in a puddle if it rains. It's just better to have it elevated just in case.
Really great video. I’m glad you made this video. It’s very important. As people are considering to maybe get there first electric vehicle this is information they need to know. Please make this video again in an even shorter format with a title like easy ev charging basics but make the video even shorter for a spouse or someone short on time. Also, please make a video about current best practices for multi family dwelling charging infrastructure. People in apartments need charging solutions and management companies need to see how easy, attractive, and lucrative EVSE solutions can be.
Cesar, about 1/3 of us population lives in apartments, condominiums, and other multi-dwelling buildings. I am one of them after downsizing from a large home. This is a huge market for EV adoption but charging is a big impediment. Management at high end apartments and condos have seen the benefit of EV Source Equipment, but the remainder do not. They don’t want to pay for additional electricity, the equipment, and installation. For direct billing usage to EV owner, ChargePoint gets $7000 or $240/mo for 5 years (very expensive). Add installation cost which could be $500 to several thousand. Tesla is working on a direct payment solution using their WiFi Wall Connector but there’s no schedule for release.
Just stumbled across this channel. Thank you very much for this video. I really enjoy your calm and informative style. Easy decision for me to give a thumbs up and sub to this channel. I'm looking forward to see some more Mach-E or other electric car related videos in the future.
Great video. I just picked up my Mach E, last night and was not certain if I wanted a FoMoCo Connect charger, a 3rd party or just stick with the one supplied. Thanks to your well done review and objectivity, I am following your advice. I am going to use my Mobile Charger @240 and see how I feel in the coming weeks or months. :-D I have directed my friends and colleagues to your video for a great bit of knowledge. Keep up the relevant and impactful work, sir. I greatly appreciate the confidence you've given me in moving forward with this decision. Cheers mate.
I have learned so much from your videos. Great job!!!!
Very informative. Please do this for the VW ID4 when you get your hands on one.
Nice touch that Ford includes a NEMA 14-50 connector. I wish the Chevy included one for the Bolt. I borrowed one for my road trip across the US, but fortunately I never needed it. I also bought a Tesla to J1772 adapter which came in very handy. Over half the hotels I stayed at only had Tesla destination chargers.
Tesla used to but doesn't anymore. I had to buy one separate. Tesla's various adapters are only $35 each but it's kind of annoying that it isn't included.
Wow! Exactly what I needed! Thanks for such a thorough and informative video!
Very well explained charging segment Tom
Look forward to your review of Electrify America DCFC segment
on charge curve from 10-90% to see where the charge point drops
are in that range for road trips
Bjorn does this but he won’t have this car to test so we are relying on
your expert opinion.
Thanks, from Vancouver Canada
Autoblog was not very impressed with their mach e ea dcfc experience.
www.autoblog.com/2020/12/24/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-chargepoint-electrify-america/
@@4literv6 sounds like another user who doesn't know what they're doing or the battery was cold, cold batteies always charge slow, Bjorn showed how the his Model 3 only charges at 39kW when cold
@@johnchartrand5910 UH huh, sure someone who owns an electric vehicle and writes reviews on electric vehicle use.
Drove a new 2021 major manufactures latest vehicle to a charging station which supports a function that same manufacture brags about. Despite that tech being in use by another competitor for over 8 year's now, and lo n behold?
It didn't work as advertised.
So it must have absolutely been user error, despite their experience with bevs.
Despite they used multiple charging stations and called for help from ea while there to try and sort out the slow charging curve.
Don't forget this same person also wrote a nice overall review on the mach e driving experience itself in a different article.
But it's definitely "user error or pre production issue's" that explains the issue away. 🤣
@@4literv6 actually it still does, my examples are I personally have over 900dcfc on trips in my Bolt and never once had a real issue and the Taycan just set the Cannonball BEV record using EA
@@johnchartrand5910 that's you, you are not a tester of this particular vehicle who experienced the issues(one of many so far. Nice try though.👍🏻
Great review thanks Tom!!!
I got a tell you Tom I’ve never seen a bigger head to head battle than this ID4 and the Mach e. Neither one quite available yet and I am here in California. Both around the same price both around the same specs and they both get the same big discounts but with the three years unlimited charging compared to four or five times at the fuel station I know which decision I would make. Hypothetically as I have a model three and and E Niro for my wife and myself.
I think they will appeal to slightly different consumers. The Mach-E will compete more with the Model Y. I think the ID.4 will take more buyers from gas cars like the RAV4 and Honda CRV.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney you have drove both of them and I am thinking about the cheapest model of both: with no other outside influences like charging and all the specs and ranges the same which one would you want? I think they are so similar that the three free years of charging would make the difference for me.Volkswagen software currently worries me though
The lack of one pedal driving on the ID4 is big negative to me. It’s something I’ve gotten very used to with the Chevy Bolt for driving around town.
@@John-209 For me, I'd take the Mach-E because it's sportier. But if its going to be used as a family hauler where cost & utility are paramount, then I think the ID.4 is a better choice.
@@peterwright837 Very good point Peter I have become used to that as well
Good job on your video with e for electric. I came over and subscribed. I might have called him out a little harder lol 2-3 hours a day plus driving to the charger lol. I hope not. I'm picking up my model y this morning! Decided against the Mach e even though I'm a ford guy but In Saskatchewan Canada where I live ev charging is a nightmare. It's getting better but Tesla still has the most chargers here right now. Might be better by the time I'm ready for my next ev. Plus seemed like actually getting a Mach e before my year end at the end of Feb was unlikely. Need to get my write off on this year's taxes
I am glad that I will buy a fully loaded Mustang Mach-E 4X Premium anyway.
Excellent video Tom, plenty of good and useful information. Thank you.
Nice Job with recommendations (I've been an EV driver for about 4-5 years and I agree with most of what you say). The only thing I might have a little "discussion" ;-) is that 95% of my charging is with 110v charging. With the larger batteries, this gives a larger "reservoir" should you need to drive further a day or two in a week. With people driving an average of 30-35 miles/day, and plugging in as soon as you get home from work, most people have from 6pm-6am to charge their cars. Thats 12 hours which actually gives more charging than you would need in a 30 mile/day. This allows you to have a day or two where you are driving further, because the larger battery can store the "surplus" on the days where you just drove the "average 30-35 miles"...By plugging in every night, you will soon make up for the extra energy used for that one or two days of extra driving...especially since its an "average" of 30-35 miles that people drive...which means, some days, you might just drive 25-30 miles that day...which allows youto make up the difference even quicker. I hope that makes sense. At least thats how it works out for me. I have a 220v "charging station" installed in my garage, but I very rarely use it, because I believe, that charging at 110v is better for the health of the battery versus 220v...at least thats what some people say, and even if its not true, its a safer bet. But...Having a 220v charger installed is nice, because its a safety net in case you need it!
Thank you for your great videos and awesome contribution to other channels. Merry Christmas to you and yours!!
Congratulations, amazing video
Great video though I wish you did the deep freezer test on the mobile connector. Almost more important for it to be playable in cold weather if you have to coil it up tight to put it in your trunk.
I would also love a head to head review of the various mobile connectors.
I didn't have the Mach-E overnight so I couldn't do the freezer test. I've requested one from Ford, so hopefully, I can get one to test soon.
Great video. Thanks for the info. Off to watch the individual reviews now!
Bonus points for having the most electrified "studio" in the business! Great stuff as always, cheers Tom.
Do you know if Ford has additional adapters available for purchase/use with the portable EVSE they supply? 10-30 for older dryer outlets, for example.
Thank you. As of now, I do not believe they have any different adapters, but I'll check with Ford.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks, it's appreciated.
1. Get an industrial 1450 receptacle installed near where you will park the car. 2. Plug in the car. Use the Ford app to manage the timing of the charge. 3. Put window cleaner and shop towels in the frunk since you’ll never be at a gas station again!
Thanks for explaining that the actual chargers are inside the car.
The only drawback to using the Ford supplied EVSE as your only home juice supply, is that it has to be available to go with you when you drive away. There are unforeseen emergencies that will require you to have an EVSE with you.
So it is very compact and portable, you just unplug it and put it back in the supplied carrying case. In most instances, if you find yourself short on juice, you should be able to find a public charging station, preferably a DC fast charger, but there are areas in the country where they are hard to come by. But understand, you most likely won't be able to find a NEMA 14-50 outlet to plug into if you're on the road somewhere, so the mobile charger isn't going to help (and charging at level 1 is not going to be fun, you'd be better off just getting towed at that point).
Also, I understand the "unforeseen emergencies" edge case. But I've been driving EVs for 11 years now and honestly, I've only had a couple of times in nearly 300,000 miles of EV driving where I needed to alter my route/plans to find a plug and charge up. If you can charge at home, you'll leave the house with a "full tank" every morning and unless it's common for you to drive hundreds of miles in a day, you won't have many instances where you have to find a charger.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney , I live in Mississippi, public charging is not a reality here. I have a B-Class Mercedes and always have my car EVSE with me. Look at a map of commercial charging sites in the US, there is great big hole in the map where Mississippi and Alabama are.
@@markbullock3741, Unfortunately, there are places in the US like Mississippi where there isn't much in the way of public charging infrastructure and yes, you should carry the mobile connector, just in case. But the problem is you most likely won't be able to find a 240V outlet that you can plug into. Charging on level 1 is terribly slow, especially if you're waiting in the car for it to charge so you can make it home. Plus, the B-Class has about 1/3 the range of a Mach-E with the big battery pack, so there much less of a chance you'll end up needing to find an outlet one day so you can make it home. But, I do get your point. Everyone's situation is different. You must consider your EVs driving range, your driving needs and the infrastructure around where you typically drive.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I understand most RV parks have 14-50 outlets. Seems like a great revenue source for a declining industry - Do you know availability? I know the plug is compatible.
@@brucefarber9875 Yes, they do. Some do allow EVs to charge and pay by the hour, and some require a daily rental of the stall if you want to use it, and it becomes very expensive. I think RV parks can be more useful if you're going to use them for a long, planned trip moreso than an immediate need to charge up a bit to get home. On a trip, you can call ahead, speak to a manager, and get the rates and schedule your stop. If you just pull in and ask to charge the clerk may not know how to deal with that and just tell you no.
Very useful information. Thanks so much
Another great review, Tom, thanks!
This is very interesting. Very re-assuring that standardization is coming to EVs
Good to know that Ford is including a NEMA 14-50 plug for the mobile charger. I was fortunate to have my 200amp breaker box in the garage and only needed a NEMA 14-50 outlet a few feet away. Cost me $250 to have that plug installed by a licensed electrician. If you're ok with Chinese evse's, you can buy a 32amp Level 2 unit from Amazon for around $300. I bought one on Black Friday for $248.
Sounds good. One thing I can tell you is I've been doing EVSE reviews for a while now, and I've had hundreds of people email/message me about their equipment and I have had many, many people report to me that the low-cost EVSE they bought worked well for a year or two and then died. I'll be reviewing some of the low-cost Asian imports in the near future.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Well, I regret buying it now. The NEMA 14-50 plug and cable leading into the charging unit is now getting very hot during charge sessions. So hot that you can't touch the cable. I have unplugged it from my outlet and have gone back to using my backup evse, a 16amp unit.
@@mowcowbell sorry to hear that, but I'm not surprised. So many others have told me the same thing. Is it a Mustart? We call that a Must-melt!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney It was branded 'Lefanev'. I may try opening the case and replace the short NEMA 14-50 pigtail to see if that resolves the issue. But definitely a story for your viewers to spend a little extra money and get a quality UL listed unit.
Can't wait fir dcfc review, others have shown 162kW speed on EA without any app required, nice!
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I'm pro tech and all but charging times will need to improve before I buy. I plan to buy a hybrid next go around. I do own a lithium ion lawn mower and it has served me well the last several years.
Great job I'm purchasing a mach e in August I will be charging mines for 24 hrs hopefully the device ford will supply will be sufficient.
Very Informative
You are really good at explaining!
Thanks!
Thats some good information, thanks, keep the videos coming.
Thanks, will do!
Good video overall, but I disagree with the contention that *everyone* needs Level 2 charging. Pre-covid, I only drove ~15 miles per day. I drive Ford's 2nd EV (Focus Electric) and I've been fine with Level 1 for the last four years. Anyone with a short commute likely doesn't need to spend the money, especially with a long range car since you have a bigger buffer for an occasional longer trip. I can replenish on the weekend if needed, but I wouldn't care leaving the house most days with only 40% battery if I had a Mach E.
Thank you. Yes, I do understand that there are some low-mileage drivers that can charge @level 1 just fine. However, I really think they(you) are a very small minority. You wouldn't want to limit the utility of the vehicle because you can't replenish the battery when needed. But if that works for you, that's great. I'd still probably install the NEMA 14-50 outlet so I could plug in the mobile charger and charge at 30-amps on the rare occasions when I need to. :)
Also, there can be some long term cost advantages to faster charging speeds if it allows you to stay within your electric utilities Time of Use rate hours (many offer plans allowing for cheaper off-peak-demand electrical rates; for example from midnight to 6am). With level 1 you may not be able to fully stay within the cheaper energy rate timeframes. Granted, that savings may never offset the costs of installing a 240 amp circuit if you don’t already have one already.
@@jonsummers3453 Yeah, even at a $500 install, the savings of going from 11c to 4 or 5c for off-peak would be well over one hundred 10-80% charge cycles. And at only 15 mi/day in his case, that's several years in payback time.
I did notice you have a lot of videos on wall-mounted chargers and I'm glad you mentioned the Mach-E comes with the mobile charger. BUT... I'm now seeing people online asking about using the mobile charger for travel ... and plugging into someone's 30 amp dryer outlet (which isn't a good idea). Have you reviewed any mobile chargers that can be dialed down to say the 16-24 amp range -- which would be safe to use in a 30 amp outlet?
Note from the future: Tesla network will work for Fords,and around 2025 models will use the Tesla plug on the vehicle. Soon, Ford will be fully compatible with Tesla.
I'm so glad you were wearing a mask to protect all of the viewers...
Excellent review Tom and would you also consider a review on the VW iD 4 ?
I did an ID.4 first drive review, but not a charging review like this just yet: czcams.com/video/XXrjMcoowGY/video.html
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thank you
Fantastic video!
6:40: The actual charger is built into every electric car
Well said sir. Thanks so much for bringing that up.
I think if everyone understands the concept of EVSE/EV charging, there will be no second thoughts in getting a wall-mounted connector at home (for those who are able to). Many new Tesla owners who have never owned/leased an EV think that only Tesla wall connectors can be used to charge their cars at home -- which is not true.
Thanks for the info; I’d love to get this car one day ⚡️
I noticed the screen on the mustang only turned on with a few of the chargers.
Came from Alex channel.
Great video. Thanks!
Great video as usual Tom I have two questions, one is using the Tesla adapter plug you could potentially use a Tesla DC fast charge station to charge for example a Mini SE would the difference in voltage and capacity be a issue? and two testing your various EVSE equipment were the units shutting down before unplugging the supply cord from the MachE?, it did not come across clear in the time lapse video and is that done once you press the release lock? thanks once again for the videos.
You cannot use an adapter to charge any vehicle on a Tesla DC fast charger (Supercharger). There's a communication process that authenticates the vehicle before dispensing any energy. The adapter would allow you to physically plug in, but the Supercharger will not put out any energy. However, if Tesla were to allow that, the voltage would not harm your EV. But you would then need to get an adapter that can accept the higher power. These adapters are not meant for such high power delivery and would likely melt. You can, however, use the adapter on the public destination chargers that Tesla has installed all over the country at hotels, restaurants, ski resorts, wineries, and other popular destinations, so it's handy to have one.
No, the units weren't shutting down before I unplugged. They all worked fine and only shut off once I pushed in the button on top of the connector to release it from the car. I had to time-lapse that segment or it would have taken too long.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks Tom just to be clear there was no charge current flowing when the EVSE were unplugged correct? and I see the adaptor does not have the DC fast charge connection but you say you can use it on the Tesla public AC network which as you say would be a handy option to have, thanks
@@moff1959 There's a button on top of the J1772 connector that plugs into the Mach-E, (and any EV that's not a Tesla) you have to depress that before you try to pull the connector out. As soon as you begin to depress it, the charging session ends and the power is cut off, so you can't unplug a car that is actively charging.
this is a great video. every specific for people who actually might own the Mach-E. also appreciate you wearing a mask, even without other people in the video
Excellent job Tom. Can the Tesla to J1772 adapter be used with a Tesla Mobile Connector?
Yes, you can use it with any Tesla charger, except Superchargers. It will fit on those also, but the station will not activate.
11:30 Tom, Did you test with the older JuiceBox behind you? That's what I have installed for my Bolt EV and will use for my Mustang Mach-E.
I didn't, sorry. But I'm sure it will work as it did with the current JuiceBox and the internal logic is basically the same.
Hi Tom, Do you plan on reviewing the Ford Connected charger now that it is back to being available through Ford? Your videos have been a so helpful for me, I really appreciate all you do. Thank you!
Well done as usual. Thank you.
That Tesla to J1772 adapter is pretty neat. If a Mach-E owner buys an adapter, should they just get the 80A adapter version since the Mach-E will always try to pull 48A? I'm just thinking at a random hotel with Tesla wall chargers set to 48A or more, the 40A adapter might not be a good idea.
So since I recorded the video, I found out that there are 50-amp versions of the adapter now available also. I would recommend spending the extra $ and getting the 50-amp one so you know you're never going to have an issue. Here's a link to one: www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=17&product_id=99 BTW, I do not earn money from referrals.
They have an 80A adapter version??? For future Lucid and Caddy BEVs I guess....
Can you do a video with a review of all the wall chargers in 1 video for your + & - of each one and your thoughts on which one is best?
Great video
So nice job introducing this topic, question I have is about using a NEMA 14-30 outlet and 30 amp breaker. That’s what is installed in my garage now. This topic has not been addressed. Power supplied is clearly more than the standard wall outlet but less than from 50 amp breaker. I have seen adapters avail to to make the connection. Have been told it’s not recommend to use this method. Why not? Help!
Hi Tom. You can certainly use the NEMA 14-30 outlet in the garage. It's not recommended to use a simple pig-tail adapter because you could accidentally pull more power than the outlet is able to handle. If everything works as it should, the only problem is you'll trip the circuit breaker, but you don't want to rely on that. If you do this, you need to set the car (in the vehicle settings) to limit the maximum power it will accept while charging at your home. That is actually a location-based setting that you need to set. I'm actually making a video now that explains how to do it, so look out for the video soon. You can also buy a SplitVolt or NeoCharge unit that will safely limit the power for you, I have videos of both of those units here on my channel so look them up.
Alex over at E for Electric, seems to have lost his way. Switched over and subscribed to your channel now.
Does Ford offer a NEMA 14-30 pigtail option for the mobile connector? Do you know if Ford offers the mobile unit as a separate item to purchase? Can you tell if Ford makes the unit or farms it out? If so, who makes the unit? Thanks for the great video!
I'm sure Ford gets this from an established first-tier supplier. I didn't check but they will have to sell it separately from the parts departments. No, there's no 10-30 adapter available - yet at least.
Well done!
Very well info,thanks
Hey Tom, I do 30 miles a day driving, home for 16hrs. Is it really not recommended like you say to use the 120 connector? I have to buy alot of extension (and punch a hole in the wall) to reach my dryer outlet or electrical panel.
That's my plan to try first...usually drive 30 miles and am interested to see if I can get by with 120V and 3 miles of charge per hour to keep me topped off. If I drive much farther one day, I could stop at one of the Level 2 chargers nearby and get up to 80% quicker, then do the rest at home.
If 120v charging works for you then that's great! I just hate to see you (or anybody) not be able to utilize the vehicle to its fullest, because you don't have it charged enough. That said, 16 hours a day plugged into a 120V source will get you around 50 to 60 miles of range replenished. So if you're driving less than that you're golden! It's just that not too many people will fall into the same category.
It's also helpful if you live close to a DC fast charger, in case you need to quickly recharge to travel to an unexpected far away destination.
@@SeanCaldwellvo Definitely test out what works for you. But you definitely don't want to be waiting at a Level 2 charger while the car charges, unless you only need 10-20 miles added.
Should work fine for you! I got by fine w/ my Tesla for 6mos on 120V/15A plug, I have a short commute, less than yours. Similar speeds on level1, 3-5miles/hour. I kept adding overnight thru the week and by the end, I was full, could do a day trip or more and got low again... then caught up again during weeknights... or supercharged if I needed a boost. (This is where a good DC fast charge network helps, when you need a quick boost and don't want to wait hours.)
Remember, EVs now have over 200-300 miles range, technically, you could drive most of the week w/o charging, before it gets low... but daily overnight, you should be back full again, or even get ahead..
If you have a busy week THEN a roadtrip or extra errands on weekend, then you do need to be more careful and keep up w/ the L1 charge... that's the only downside.
I installed a 240V/50A NEMA 14-50 circuit and outlet myself w/ contractor help, less than $500, and now my car is always full the next morning as needed... definitely makes things easier and quicker. I actually often charge reduced power at around 10-16A (2-3KW) on weekend mornings, to match my rooftop solar... literally, photons hitting my own roof, go right in my battery. Nothing from the grid!
I would try using 120v first. If you really only drive 30mi/day that would be fine. If you move or your location of work changes further away, you'll probably be in trouble at over 40mi/day. If you get a tesla, buy the NEMA 5-20 adapter to use on a 20A outlet in your garage, it will get you another 1-2 miles/hr. That could be all the difference if you're on the edge of your daily range recovery with the included 15A plug. Most garages wired in the last 30 years should have a 20 amp plug (plug where one of the blades is horizontal). Otherwise having a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed by an electrician to the garage is fairly cheap in most cases. Usually between $300-1000 depending on difficulty and utility rebates.
It's too bad Ford doesn't offer adapters for the mobile charger to allow it to be plugged into different 240v outlets
This was amazing info! Nowhere else have I seen this in depth charging info given, which is crucial to learning about EVs.
Can you do this for the Audi Etron or Etron Sportback? Or would it be roughly the same info as this Mach E video?
it would be very similar. I will try to get one of those in the future to do a similar video.
Was there any information with the the Ford charger if it works on a 30 amp circuit? In other words will it automatically, or by setting, use 26 amps so as to not overload a 30 amp outlet? Like those use for an electric dryer with a NEMA 14-30 outlet (adapter required)?
I do not believe it has that ability, but I'll check with Ford and get back to you.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thank you. I did look over the Ford Parts site and I can only find the 2 plug adapters (ford Par# 14A411) no 14-30 as a part.
@@DaveCronberger I don't think they make it (yet). All I've seen is the 14-50 for 240V charging.
My guess is they will be available at some point (hopefully) like the Tesla mobile connector adapters. Otherwise why would Ford bother with making a replaceable plug if you only get 2 options anyway. 2 options is better than 1, but still. If I get a Ford EV in the next year or 2, I would like to be able to get a NEMA 6-50 adapter for the mobile connector to charge at 40A on my welder outlet as a backup if the wall EVSE ever takes a crap.
Tom, great video for us gasoline heads that are starting to look at EVs more seriously. But if the actual AC to DC conversion and charger is built into the car, what does an EVSE actually do? IOW, why can't you get the same charging rates with a 240V cord directly plugged into the car as with using an EVSE? Just trying to understand what these devices add to the equation and how they accomplish whatever it is that they do.
Thanks for this very helpful video. I am trying to figure out if the Ford mobile charger is okay for use outdoors. All videos I've watched talk about using this charger in a garage. I don't have a garage and would need to do my year-round nightly charging outside. Is the Ford mobile charger durable enough to be used nightly in rain and snow, cold, and heat? It gets up to about 35C where I live in summer and down to about -25C in winter. I could make a covered box to mount it on if need be. Your thoughts are appreciated.
Awesome video and the one with details on mach e loved it.
I have question i been looking to install home charging system.
Should i go with ford connected system or ford connected system pro or tesla universal wall charger??
I think all 3 can charge mach e greatly.
What are your thought? Please suggest i am really confused.
I'm rather confused, I'm seeing that the Mach-e 2022 has the Type 2, yet EVSE likes Chargepoint home flex has J1772. Looking at the diagram for their shape and the placement of the port I'm not sure if Type 2 port will fit J1772? I was hoping the video would get more into it. Can someone with the 2022 Ford mach-e talk about this?
do you recommend using the provided Ford charging cable if you are charging at home but outdoors? Or is a hardwired system preferred due to weather etc?
i just ordered a premium mach-e, pretty excited, wont be ready until 6 months though, Jan-Feb most likely they said....... is there any risk of the tax credit being unavailable then? I assume its going to take longer than 6 months for Ford to sell enough to run out of tax credits? IIRC it took Tesla years.
What does that button in the middle of the Mach E charge LEDs do? It looks like it locks the plug in the car, but it would be great if you could explain. Thanks!
While I didn't test it, it's supposed to release the connector from the vehicle. I'm not 100% sure of the point of it though. Because charging stops when you depress the button on top of the J1772 connector. It won't prevent someone from unplugging your car, because anyone has access to the button since the port is open while charging. I will follow up with Ford to get a better answer.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney thank you. Maybe you need to first unlock with car key? Maybe micro switch on plug will not interrupt charging if plug is locked to car? My e-Golf ignores plug micro switch at all times (probably violating J1772 protocol).
Hi Tom,
I bought a Mach-E GT model 2022 just 6 months ago. So far, I only charge my car in my garage with a 240V. It used to show 270 miles at 100% charge but recently it shown around 230-240 miles at 100% charge. I brought my car to a Ford dealer and had them reprogram then it came back to about 265 miles at full 100% charge. Now, it shows around 230-240 miles at full charge again. What can I do to bring the charge back to 270 miles at full charge?
Thank You, Sanh
I should be receiving my Mach E GT in the next two weeks and appreciate the ton of info from your channel. Based upon some info I got from your videos, I have a question. To not waste money, I plan on running 6/2 wire (6/3 is now double the price) @65’ across my garage. Can I wire a 14-50 plug without the neutral wire, so I can plug my Ford supplied charger (EVSE) directly and not have an ugly 6-50 to 14-50 adapter? Thanks in advance.
I’m getting just 6kwh with my level 2 ford charger. I have a 50 a breaker and a nema1450 plug. Is this what others are getting?
Could the Ford mobile charger be plugged outdoors like the Tesla’s? It looks so clunky in comparison to the Tesla’s.
Im very excited for the Mach e but am concerned with the potential horrible depreciation vs the Tesla.
Yes, provided you have an outdoor-rated enclosure for the outlet.
I have a Tesla and charge it using the mobile charger on a 240 volt outlet. However, I believe the outlet is wired for 30 amps. I now have a Mach e but the Nema 14-50 30 amp adapter that comes with the Mach e has a different plug and would require that I upgrade my home's wiring to use the adapter. Instead, I am considering purchasing a Teslatap adapter. The Tesla mobile provides 32 amps. Is it safe to purchase a 50 Amp Teslatap adapter for regular usage on the Mach e or should I only get a 40 Amp adapter? You suggested using an 80 Amp adapter for the Tesla Wall connector.
Mine is very VERY loud, is this normal?
Can we use that Tesla to regular charging adapter at a Tesla super charger as well??
Is the FMC intelligent enough to know the amperage of the line it's on? I need to visit someone with a 30 amp line, necessitating a limit of 24 amps. Will the Mobile charger limit the amps? My VW eGolf lets me limit the amps it will accept while the Mach-e will not. I don't want to buy an aftermarket evse if I don't need to. Most aftermarket will let you choose the amperage.
Thank you for the excellent information!
I am about to buy the Mach e but I would like to know if I can charge the car in a Tesla public super charger with the adapter? Will I have a problem?
Sorry for all the stupid questions, I believe my panel Circuit breaker that holds my dryer is only 30 amps, the free charger that ford gave me on my MACH-E Would I be able to use that on that plug where my dryer is without it tripping that double pole 30 amp breaker? Thanks
Hi Tom- all of your videos are very informative so thank you! Our Mach e was delivered yesterday but Ford is not selling there 220/240 charger right now. Which wall connector would you recommend works best and would work well with other brands (Tesla) to use with in the future. Thank you-
There's a lot of different choices that can work just fine for you. Personally, I would install a NEMA 14-50 outlet and buy a 40-amp charger that can deliver up to 10kW. I wouldn't worry about getting an 11 kW unit (the max the Mach-e can accept) because you'll barely even notice the difference in charging time and the 11 kW unit will cost more and cost more to install because it requires a 4 ga wire as opposed to a 6 ga for a NEMA 14-50 outlet. Plus the 11 kW unit needs to be hardwired so if you ever have a problem, you can't just unplug it to send it back for replacement. I have quite a few reviews up on the channel of 40-amp units that would be great for the Mach-E.
Nice job explaining the charging. I have a E Mustang on order being built this month. To use the the 32 amp charger that comes with the car would I need a 40 Amp minimum 240 electric outlet?