What Should The Bears Do At Pick 9?
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- Kevin Fishbain joins the Adams for a three man debate regarding the Bears' decision with pick number nine in the 2024 NFL Draft. They take three different angles and bring their best arguments to the air. Who's strategy would you roll with?
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The highest paid receivers not being first round picks argument is dumb when the 3 best receivers in the league are 1st rounders on rookie deals (Jefferson, Chase, Lamb) gonna be 500 million between those 3 guys
Very true. Great insight 👍
They mentioned that. Their point was that you can find really good WRs in other rounds compared to other premium positions and that list still proves that even if you added a few more 1st rounders
That makes it still less then 50%
Um they mentioned that
Drafting Byron Murphy is maybe the worst Bear’s draft take yet. How foolish would Poles look after drafting Dexter and Pickett. They’ve both only had one season. Plus, Murphy has to be the smallest DT in the History of the League. He, over thinking this.
Agreed. Edge, WR, OL far more important
Great episode. If Alt or one of the top receivers aren’t there at 9, trade back a few spots and still come away with one of the best defensive players + more picks for the other needs
Funny that Fishman represented Switzerland in Model UN given that he looks like a watch repairer from Bern in 1902
LMAO.
Seems rare that we get Fishbain with both Adams but it's always great. This was a great ep. Bears have lots of good options at #9. Trading down a few picks seems to make the most sense to me.
The guy on the bottom makes the absolute worst argument against the WR position. 1) Just because they're the top paid doesn't mean they're better than WR's still on their rookie deals i.e. Justin Jefferson, Ceedee Lamb. 2) Winning a super bowl as a metric to measure value of a player is ridiculous. So you're saying that anyone who hasn't won a SB isn't positively impacting their team in anyway?
It all depends on who is still on the board. Any of the top 3 WR’s or Alt, pick them, if not trade down for more picks.
Great ep!
guys this particular pod today is amazing! great work. are you listening to how much information the 3 of you are accessing on the fly. wow.. really valuable and enjoyable.. i knew Alan had been hurt before but not to this extent… one twisted ankle from not having more at WR than Fields had.. maybe less without Mooney.
Great analysis fellas. Very thought provoking. So many viable options. All areas of need.
Keenan Allen is 32 and at this point it doesn’t seem that the Bears haven’t done anything to suggest that they are extending him. He’s effectively a one-year rental. Next year we go back to the same issue we had, outside of DJ Moore who are our wide receivers?
Draft Odunze, let him learn from Allen, and when Allen leaves in free agency next year, you have a long term WR duo that is one of the best in the league with DJ and Rome.
I think you guys overstated the need at OT and Jones is better than you’re giving him credit for. He outplayed Darnell Wright last year and no one seems to think any better of him because he was only a fifth round pick.
With DE I agree but the Bears realistically aren’t competing for anything serious in 2024. We don’t have to fill all of our holes this year. I think it’s more important to set our QB and offense up well long term and build the defense up next year than address the defense now and put the future in doubt offensively.
You guys sure talk about yourselves a lot! I'm interested in hearing more about the Bears. Cheers
We need an offensive line that can dominate the line of scrimmage. We got enough skill players, we need some serious hardnosed asskickers on our offensive line. We don't need to waste a pick on WRs, we need prime beef on our offensive line. I want us to dominant on offense
Ryan Poles receiver list: velus jones, Byron Pringle, eq st brown, n keal harry, Tyler Scott, chase claypool and finally DJ Moore and now Keenan Allen. I don’t think he can identify WRs unless they’re already established stars in this league. Pick the surefire stud at 9 and move on.
best H&J episode i've ever seen
Lot of good receivers but poles has shown he is not good at identifying a good receiver in the later rounds. If romes there lock up the position and throw away the key
In Fishman I trust. He makes the show
If you draft a OT with the 9, you trade Braxton that night for draft pick. His return is more valuable than another swing tackle
There are a lot of good receivers, but you have to actually identify the talent. Poles hasn't drafted a single good receiver. We're expecting him to magically find a great one?
That’s why you take one of the top 3
That’s why you take one of the top 3
That’s why you take one of the top 3
he's had two drafts. one of those drafts had no picks bc of pace. Velus isnt good, but saying poles doesn't know wrs based on a sample size of one 3rd rounder is insane. what exactly did you expect him to do? get draft picks out of thin air? lol
He’s only drafted two receivers and neither of them were top 70 picks
Great discussion, guys. I want a trade back w/Murphy coming to be a wrecker in the middle of the line. Someone who can push the pocket for the DEs. That guy is a beast, and will make up a little for missing out on Donald and passing on Carter. MAKE IT SO #1!
Byron Murphy is less talented than Johnny Newton. If you watch their footage, Murphy doesn't finish plays, when Newton does, within the context of pass rushing. Pass rushing is the biggest need on the Bears DL.
The counter to arguing for Newton over Murphy is that he had surgery in January on his 5th metatarsal [Jones break]. Due to the lack of blood flow in that part of the foot, that injury can be a career hindrance. Newton did still play well while injured in 2023, but it's still a concern.
I'm hoping they grab a top receiver. Allen is getting up there in age and is not locked up for the long term, and I think Moore only has 2 more years left on his deal.
Hoge the same guy who said DT take 2 years to come online. Is done with Dexter after one year. I don’t get it.
Dexter is gonna become dominant, watch..... you gonna KNOW his name.
I’d draft Joe Alt if he’s at 9 and move Braxton to LG and move Jenkins to RG! That would be a monster line!
True. But we don't know if Braxton can play guard.
Doubt he can play guard....his biggest problem that everyone talks about is lower body strength .....if you draft Alt ....you trade Braxton.....although I think he is good enough and seems to be improving ....if he takes another small step forward this year that would be enough and if you want to draft his replacement in the future his trade value would be higher.
Could not agree more. If Alt is there, jump on it. If not, trade back a few spots and take Fashanu or Fuaga
For WR, I love the idea of having 3 elite WRs at age 21, 26, and 31.
For the long term, WR is set. In 2-3 years may move on from Allen and hopefully DJ Moore and odunze/MHJ/Nabers developed into #1 or #2 WR and then find a new third WR in 2-3 years.
BAGENT if his ARM has been Strengthened, (imo) is a very Promising NFL QB!
3 tech takes a year or two to break through normally. Dex was already showing improvement at the end of year 1. I think we nice
Walker has hit his ceiling he’s a solid de2 gervon is nowhere near his ceiling and is already a starting level 3 tech
I'm surprised how low everyone is becoming on Olu. In my eyes he is every bit the pass protector Alt is, just not as good of a run blocker. He was also Caleb's left tackle in high school for 3 years which is fun.
MORE OLD SCHOOL OLD FASHION NO IMAGINATION at all. you don't have a second, if it was so easy to find a WR then why have the Bears not found one? We want an all pro type, i am for trading up for Marvin, you want a protentional Hall of famer which we have not had. if we had a Randy Moss skill type that's what we want
Sleeping on Johnny Newton (who imo is above and beyond better than Murphy), and Amarius Mims at OT (no reason he can't play the left side at his size/reach/wingspan.... Not too mention he's a beast in the running game, and incredibly lean for a 350+lb guy)...
My board is trading up for mhj/Nabers/alt, or trading down a bit for one of Newton/Mims/jpj
Best show in Chicago Sports!!!!
Bc of jahns. CHGO was out of their minds to take Hoge over Jahns. Honestly if Olin Kreutz told the truth about what happened the day he smacked Hoge no bears fan would respect him again. My guess is kreutz signed an NDA to avoid charges
Bears are returning 4 starters from OLine, Wright 1st rd Jenkins 2nd rd Jones been their dude since day 1 and Davis plus brought in 4 new bodies to compete with plus a few mid rd guys still developing,,,really doubt they go OT at 9
WR receiver get one of the best while we can
Murphy vs Newton at 3-tech: why lean so heavily into Murphy?
These arguments don’t make sense. Joe Alt is a clear cut above the other tackles, and every single draft analyst expects him to be gone by 9. Dallas Turner is the only defender projected in the top 10 n he is not a scheme fit. The answer is draft Rome Odunze and it is not hard. Get Caleb as many weapons as possible
Barton should be a consideration for versatility reasons.
With a trade down
Jahns arguing that Bears number 6 in paying WR’s means you ‘don’t’ draft a rookie contract?! What the hell is that? That’s one of biggest reasons for drafting one?
Amarius Mims is an option for a trade down
I think whats missing in this convo is the conversation of the caliber of player you're getting at #9. Is it justifiable of letting go of a blue chip prospect at #9 due to need? Verse is not considered a blue chip propect. Neither is Murphy.
The trouble with identifying and lusting after all these draftees, is it’s a gut punch seeing them drafted by your hated opponents! 🤦🏻♂️
I like Verse but I like Latu better if his medicals all check out. I mean the guy not only 13 sacks he also had 21 tackles for a loss!
Keenan Allen is good but how long will he be with the Bears?
Obviously not getting MHJ. Probably not getting Nabers either. Maybe Odunze or Bowers? If not one of them two then get "Brian Thomas Jr." He is the next most talented.
Dont be surprised when Poles packages 75 and a 2025 2nd to move up for a 2nd rd target. They end up with caleb wr de
Always draft TALENT! I bet the Portland Trailblazers wish they had taken MJ. But they didn’t “need” him.
It's pronounced Fuanga; there's an "n" sound in there.
Not enough footballs to go around?! Really? You haven’t been paying attention to Odunze’s personality expressed in interviews.
Trade back if alt isn’t there. Get Latham and a 2nd. Get best available player with that 2nd pick
WO is best for now. The coach can make good great on def. Load up on offense 0:44
Keenan Allen has a history of being injury prone and he may just be a 1 year rental if he doesn't re-sign. You have to draft the 3rd available WR if he's still there at #9 because Poles can't draft a WR worth sheeeeeeet in the later rounds.
Passing on Rome Odunze for an inferior player/defender would be a really, really stupid move. Your needs today are not your needs tomorrow
There are 4 stud 3 DT's in the league, period. Everyone's chasing them and there are many busts every year. Losers trade down, You can get a blue chip player at 9 . a starter is a failure at that spot you need an all pro there. They started to play alot more man to man last year since they secondary is the best in the league
You can draft offensive lineman all day until you have 8 guys that play every pick in every draft until you figure it out. If your qb even if great is on his ass all day it don't matter
Imagine being the kid stuck with Israel in model UN this year.
Caleb will be watching from Halas Hall 😂
WR makes a ton of sense if you focus on Allen and ignore Moore. Moore is the one for the foreseeable future, you don't need 1.a, until you have other key positions locked up.
With the addition of Allen will take attention off the other receivers they have. They don't need another stud WR with pick 8. The TE will benifit too.. A WR with 9 isn't their focus. Defense wins championships. Atleast from my perspective.
I disagree as a WR can learn from one of the best in the history of the business in Allen and another solid vet in Moore. Help the rook get up to speed and elevate is game sooner so that when Allen retires, the rook doesn’t miss a step
@@StewMain6 congratulations disagreeing, you don't need a #1 wr bc you have moore. You do need a potential all pro LT or Pass rusher.
I don't disagree with that one bit. So get that "instant" impact end/DL guy with their 2nd pick, and get a WR with the amount of talent in this draft after trading up for A talent less polished to do that with. This is still a run 1st team and everything comes off that. 2TE 2 #1 receivers, talent from the back field to catch. There is only ONE football and limited balls thrown. They wanna win NOW. Get that DL Stud for week one.
Newton at Illinois is easy money
Fishman is gold. (And younger😂)
he made this episode with his UN Charisma...
Lawrence was home?
Agreed davechadwick
Bears fans, of course we find it hard to figure out how an offense could pass enough to feed 3 receivers. 😂
not drafting a WR because there are not enough balls to go around, is the dumbest thing they have said yet, we have too much talent so lets not. The older Wr is 1 year, you need another wr. They could of had at star DT but the GM got tricked by the eagles. If you need a 3 tech that bad then they should of got him last year. they wasted a 2nd and 3rd then.
WE ONLY HAVE 2 WR AND ONE IS 31 ----PUT THOSE THREE WR IN A 3 WR SET OH BOY -THAT DEFENSE IS IN TROUBLE---------BUILD A SCARY OFFENSE WITH CALEB
Caleb's practice jersey is gonna be pink
I sure hope so
So I can see you cry some more
Hope he paints his nails to match so that you can cry about it
Olu Fashanu and Caleb Williams were HS teammates. We should take Olu at 9, bc Braxton Jones is a turnstile and left JF1 out to dry. Olu hasn't given up a sack in 2 seasons.
Finally get a savant QB to throw to any part of the field at any point in the game and you want to bottom feed on receivers?!!!? How’s that working so far? Poles record is pretty much zero on that. So the first twisted ankle makes the WR group specifically less than what Fields had. Great. Nothing like doing the same thing expecting different results. So hurry everybody go grab an edge high so next year you can ignore the huge edge class coming out while you ignore the WR’s this year like you ignored the centers last year. Only in Chicago always Defense the answer. What do you have against a 35 pt. a game offense? One WR goes down and nobody who can catch to stretch the field. Listen to yourselves!
Braxton Jones is NOT a guard. NO WAY.
Why not? He’s a run blocker and he’s smaller than Tevin Jenkins
@@leanwiddit7302 Not enough ass. Plays too high. He would get bullrushed badly.
Exactly. No anchor! He’ll get run over.
NEVER HIRE JAHNS AS YOUR ATTORNEY! 😂
I won't be mad at Brock Bowers at 9 - Can play TE3 / WR3 / X WR / Fullback
Take talent, figure the rest out later
Would be sick even if he only gets like 5 touches a game
Fishmans argument that the top 10 paid wide receivers only had 3 superbowls between them is pretty overtly dumb follow up to his great lineman take. There is only 1 Super Bowl every year, and so its distribution across all players, at any position or pay level, is sparsely distributed - full stop. That’s just facts. The same dumb argument could be made against paying literally every position in the sport. You could also show the same effect by taking, say, the 21-30th top paid recievers. Or the 50th-60th paid linemen. So it’s a 100% useless stat.
Do you think the Bears traded for Montez Sweat and signed him to a huge extension to have an average DE opposite him? I don't think so. Enough with the nonsense. The Bears are drafting Turner or Verse at #9 or trading down to draft Latu or Robinson.
sure you can get quality WR's in the second round, but.... THE BEARS DON"T HAVE A SECOND ROUND PICK! You can treat the #9 pick as their second rounder as it is their second pick. Sure top WRs in the last 10 years haven't won Super Bowls because Mahomes and Brady won them all! Top WRs have made the Super Bowl: Bengals, Rams, Niners, Eagles, Buccaneers, even the Chiefs with Tyreek Hill. C'mon.
You guys really need to cut down on ads. Every f'n 3 minutes is ridiculous. Can't watch anymore 🤬
Hoge, your assignment was DE aka Edge rusher, not DL. You flunk (as usual).
Gotta go with edge or DT. Of course I'd love a receiver but we really need another guy to go opposite Sweat.
D line is a major weak spot on this team and needs to be addressed
Drafted two DTs last draft. Time to invest in the qb give him weapons everywhere. Make it so every play will have an open guy.
I just feel like there are good edges in round 2/3. It's on Poles to get fucking creative and package some of the extra picks they have next year in what will me a mediocre draft compared to this year's and get into the 2nd round. From a purely sticking at 9 standpoint, there just simply isn't a single defensive player that is worth the pick over a Rome odunze if he is there. If we are to entertain a scenario where odunze is there at 9 and there are teams that are wanting to move up, there has to be a limit to how far you move back. Idgaf how many picks we get... To have a top 10 pick and then move into the late 20s for example and not get a blue chip player would be so infuriating. especially if the biggest selling point is a future pick. A team trading up simply HAS to give us a 2nd in THIS years draft. And if it's someone like the Bills, I'm gonna need their 2nd this year and their 1st next year. And if that happens, I pray Poles says fuck this extra 1st rounder and uses it to get another 2nd round pick this year. If you haven't noticed the trend.. fuck extra picks next year. You wanna do the trade back bullshit to fill more holes, we filling them NOW not next year
OT OR TRADE BACK! DONT TAKE WR UNLESS MHJ FALLS
YOUR STONED i DO NOT PICK AN UNDER SIZE PROJECT AT NUMBE R 9 IN MURPHY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY. i WOULD PICK ONE OF THE 3 BLUE CHIP WR---BUILD A DOMINANT OFFENSE THAT TAKES THE PRESSURE OF THE DEFENSE. IF ALL THREE WIDE WR GONE THEN IS IT A COIN FLIP BETWEEN ALT AND THE VARSE AND WOULD LIKELY PICK VARSE. BRAXTON IS OK
Xavier worthy
Jahns really made this whole debate exercise completely worthless by immediately backtracking on his position
Braxton can not play Guard. Say it again, louder. JONES CAN NOT PLAY GUARD
D tackle!
Greatest need - DE. Most exciting - WR.
Are you guys not a fan of Lauitu?
Nope! Serious next injury! I wouldn’t touch him
Until the third Rd.
@@sevinbamuels6560 lol you don’t know ball my guy
They are gonna look for a stud on the other side of Sweat and that D will dominate. Pickett is going to take a giant leap. Those guys been working with coaches on the side trying to perfect their craft. Not on vacation. They will be primed.
Thank Christ, no more Josh Lucas please
What a dumb take. Chase 1st rounder. Cooper 1st round pick. Jefferson 1st round. CeeDee Lamb first round pick. Swear this guy has worst takes ever
Agreed. Dude looks like a barista. Not a football fan.
So it took you guys 34.00 minutes in to address the only TRUE number one weakness on this team being D-line help for Sweat, Seriously?!?
Take drunk fat boy from Texas late....his dui will drop him down and it could be a huge score with little invested.
I’ve been saying it for the past month: we gotta stop with the wr talk. This isn’t fantasy football
Murphy at TX is garbage
Trade up to get MHJ 🙌🏻🐻⬇️
Sign Trey Lance from the cowboys