Review: APR Stage 2 Golf R - Better Than The Focus RS?
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Today we review the an APR Stage 2 2016 Golf R. With 392hp and 409b ft of torque this car absolutely flies. It's more refined than the Ford Focus RS, but is it better to drive? Find out.
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TurgBurglar your a dsg so you don’t get to
I would take a Golf R over a Focus RS anyday.
except they are pushing 300 hp out of a 2L 4 cil wich means this drinks oil like crazy. Mk7 is better then the mk6 tho
robbert de vries not necessarily. 300hp is still pretty safe for a 4cil 2 liter like this, not much has to be changed.
Greenest Dreamer I'm a blast
lucaspiresr Never said it wasnt save but if you are gonna buy a MK6 golf R then also save up for extra engine oil :)
lucaspiresr golf is for grandpa
When you're driving a Focus RS, it feels like you're sitting in a Focus. That's the problem.
And the same with R your in a GTD golf
I'd rather take a girl out on a date inside a golf than a focus to be honest.
Yep and you'll be way behind in the Golf with its plasticky leather interior and unimpressive pretentious shiny plastic dash once the Focus has had its ***warranty approved**** Mountune remap and upgrade.
The only response Golf owners have to the FRS is to whinge about the interior. Thankfully most of us who buy a hot hatch buy it because we want a good driving experience, but if you buy for comfort may I suggest a BMW 320d or Audi A4, both nicer interiors than the cheap Golf.
Mr Ed Way behind in the Golf? Pfft yeah I've had my MKV GTI for 7 years now and it still has a better interior than a Focus. I get a good driving experience out of my GTI AND the interior has lasted me for so long. If I had money to buy another car and not care about driving it everyday to work then yeah fuck I'll get a Focus based interior. But when I'm looking to get a car I look at everything and not just what's under the hood. That's why the R beats the RS because it's simply a better overall car.
If you want a boring car yes. If you want an exciting car no. If you just want plush and marginally fast buy a 320d.
Power can be improved. A cheap interior and the close relation to a rental car can't. The R is the best package overall. Unless you're on a track monthly.
LOL, they're both econoboxes that will not reflect well on the driver unless they're in high school.
+Chris DiPetta Lmao your right who the fuck would drive this thing on the road it's so ugly
pretty beautiful if you ask me also 300 hp would not be considered an econobox
+Waffletime meant the Focus. Every time I see a base Focus SE it reminds me why an RS wouldn't be a car I would personally buy. Horses for courses.
+Chris DiPetta a new Golf is just as at home in a high school parking lot as it is in a high-end restaurant's. Despite Bill Gates owning one, the Focus is has the image of a basic, reliable means of transportation in the US. Image isn't always based on facts of course.
Stock DSG R is faster than an RS. A Stage 2 absolutely embarrasses an RS by bus lengths.
A stage 2 Golf R from APR ran an 11.7 in the quarter. That’s bonkers quick.
Done it with mk6 r with stage 1 on it
chris acm good try bud, stage 1 mk6 R’s are high 12 sec cars
thats just going straight you do realize that making a car go fast in corners is much harder to design than just going straight lol
@@1FastMK5 I feel like he could have gone sub-12 with a stage 1 mk6 so long as he was using race gas.
who cares about stock vs tuned? think "used" here, get a 2014, spend $1-2k on an apr tune and you can use the money youve saved on a road trip and vacation for the family while being able to smoke focus rs drivers
That sunlight in the camera tho
In the Netherlands this would cost around $80.000 due to taxes, fuck my country
ik ben blij dat ik in belgie woon. jaarlijkse tax voor een golf r met 300pk is 380 euro
Same in Norway :-/ just bought the Golf GTE for the same price as the R in this video :( would have gone for the R if the price were the same as in the US
At least you are not in Singapore.
In Malaysia its 290k...
belgium starting price is 39k euro (43k us dollar), full option is about 52000 euro (44k us dollar)
I test drove a used standard DSG that my local garage had on the forecourt. It was amazing. If I had had a bit more money to spend I would have taken it without a doubt.
Having lived with a manual for 10 years I didn't think I'd ever buy an automatic but now I know that is no longer an absolute. A Golf R DSG is a car I will one day like to own.
I live near APR's HQ and had some people who work there come to our local meet. One guy particularly owned a Golf R that was used as the test bed for them. I guess it would be considered Stage 3+. That thing was 500+ HP and people knew that that car was not to be messed with haha. APR makes some fast stuff for sure.
APR stage 2 Golf R vs Supercharged E39 M5 drag race
What's up Vehicle Virgins? loving the frequent uploads. Keep up the good work!
+Thor1486 thank you!!
enjoy your rs
Thor1486 I have only been driving for about 3 years and have spent a decent amount of time in traffic and driving a manual is still good in traffic. Despite what everyone says. Maybe this might change when I'm older?
it gets worse. you'll decide. 45 and I hate auto trans. autos are quicker in many cases and cost less at the end of the day.
How do autos cost less? My car has over 100K, no issues what so ever with clutch, gearbox ect and still on original brake pads, because i can use then engine to help brake (note, I don't down change heaps, but it helps). Hopefully I still love manuals at your age.
Power can always be improved. The cheaper quality and similarity to the rental car cannot. The Golf R is the better package.
This with the DSG and DCC is the best hot hatch in my opinion.
DSG overheats/slips with stage 2. Clutch in the manual transmission slips with stage 2. :(
yes, thats why the golf R its an expensive proyect. if you whant a cheap and easy proyect, get the ford.
Incorrect. I've had both the MK7 GTI with the Golf R IS38 turbo upgrade making 362 whp and 384 wtq and NEVER had any slip or overheat. I now have the Golf R with DSG and full Unitronic bolt ons and stage 2 ECU and DSG tune from Unitronic. I've launched the car countless times and never have an issue. I average 3.50 0-60 and have done 3.33 0-60. Speak not what you do not know of.
and my R now makes 338whp 341tq in AWD mode. I never do "dyno mode" aka FWD mode when dyno testing. I also make 350whp and 365wtq on race gas. Only 12whp more PEAK but it makes 35hp more all the way through the powerband until around 5500rpm. Peak torque is made at 3000rpm on both race and pump.
i actually bothered to look up the stats on the transmission
"DQ250 6 400 Wet"
Can easily support that much torque and hp (the 400 was the torque column).
3:37 I think this is the best sounding 4 cylinder I've ever heard
Instantly gave this video a "like" the moment I saw that "Rated R" plate 👍
is that title a joke? the golf r IS better than the rs. the rs is just "funner", which is subjective.
"Better" is subjective also though
No it's not. Things in the world can be objective. For instance, in general 30 MPG is better than 25 MPG. That is objective. "Better" is a concept of all combined objective aspects.
more fun but I definitely wouldn't call it a joke the stock rs is better then a golf r
Don't forget that the Focus RS has been inflating their horsepower numbers. They're actually making around the same power when dyno'd. That's why when Parker said "40hp feels more than it is", it actually IS more than a 40hp difference...
McBaron You do know there's a difference between what the manufacturers crank HP claim is and what it actually puts down right? So where as the RS has put down as low as 270WHP on a Dynojet, the Golf R usually beats that number on a Dynojet despite different power claims by the manufacturers.
Parker why do you have to stick the camera right to your face? It's a car review, try putting the camera to your right so we can at least see the steering wheel moving.
I have a Mk7 R with turbo back Milltek. Test drove an RS , couldn't wait to get back into the R. RS is way to heavy, interior is shocking for a plus 30 grand car. Rear wing isn't me. Mk7 R all the way
That laugh said it all from his take off lol
I like what is reads on the license plate "RATED R" nice
It's such a sleeper. I have a stage two with a few more mods then that has plus dsg. I just destroy V8's up and down the road. It's really fun.
Damn, those shifts were crisp
Starts at $40K now. Only one option : DSG. Has adaptive cruise unlike the Focus RS
Dsg is about 3.8 secs to 60 with a stage 2. Awesome
+MrThePrivateer .7 out then bud lol
.07 out
how about you being 0.07 out, though
0.07 *seconds*
It's a freakin golf.
Motor Trend's Head 2 Head episode is better for Golf R/Focus RS comparison
I have an APR stage 2 gti, mk6 dsg. Apr's tune is incredible and I can only hope that soon I'll upgrade to an R
As an owner of a Stage II MK7 Golf R (DSG), solid review. on slicks, a UM Stage II guys put down an 11.4 quarter mile. On street tires, I've hit 11.95. It's an impressive car for a 2L engine. The exhaust yields no gains. Technically, Stage II is an Intake ($350), Downpipe ($650) and tune ECU + TCU for $1299. So for under $2,500, you're at stage II for these power levels. My last dyno in 80F at around sea level, I put down 360 horsepower and 370 torque to the wheels. I'm pushing 28-28.5 pounds of boost. Stock is 18.5.
Mine has Michelin PSS, VWR springs, Flow Form HRE wheels and a few other bolt-ons. It's a great car. Once my warranty is up, I'll certainly get a better turbo and high 10s are easily achievable.
A lot of automotive gurus here...
One the intake is irrelevant no power gain , all you really need is the downpipe , and stage 2 ecu tune , usp motorstport downpipe is $480 , apr stage 2 tune is $800, total $1500 installed , put 1500 into the focus rs thinking you can complete with that golf r lol that golf r will destroy you.
especially if it's DSG there will be bus lengths between the Golf and Focus
for stage 2 you need the intake to feed the turbo better, you could easily do stage 1 and keep rest stock, but a intake really is needed if you go full 2
No you dont , i have a stage 2 apr mk7 gti no intake , all i have is a drop in VWR FILTER The stock intake in this car does an amazing job , what really makes the difference is the intercooler . All you need is a downpipe and tune nothing else , is been proven instakes are a waste of money specially in European cars .
the dollar vs benefit you get from an intake makes it such a waste of money. Love how people think intakes add them 20 hp lol
I had a dream last night that Parker and Eddie let me drive the Focus RS and I got it in a wreck then Parker and Eddie were freaking out because they had to borrow the Focus RS to do a review for Vehicle Virgins.
comimg from.a 18 wrx that is full nolt ons e85. I recently bought a mk7 dsg stage plus. My first pull i did i was shocked. The car is so fun. Pulls hard and keeps up with my wrx. What i love about it is i can turn the race feel off when i. Not in the mood and just drive normal and be comfortable. Love this car.
my friend and i were arguing that he would buy an RS and that it was faster and better than a Golf R. he likes ford. i like vw. i like refinement and comfort with speed. he likes speed and "drift" mode lol. Golf R for the win!
Real world honest truth, Golf R would more then likely be faster.
First it's easier to drive. Much like the GTR the Golf R makes a shit drive look good. The Focus RS makes a shit driver look like shit.
I know every guy on the internet thinks they are Lewis Hamilton. In the real word most are shit.
Next every single test of the Focus RS has been done with Cup Sport tires. I am almost certain everyone who is buying the Focus RS isn't dropping an extra grand for the Cup tires. If they do and it's their daily driver they are going to be pretty pissed when it needs new tires in 6 months.
Golf R with DCC and DSG is the way to go for performance and comfort. Focus RS is for being a hooligan, BUT for a hooligan car get the mustang.
OutlawUniverse i love the golf r lol. My friend is... Wrong or crazy lol
Eddie Gutierrez It's like Vin Diesel shifting a car. It may look great on film but in real life all the grunting, sweating and serious looks and shit talk don't mean shit.
+OutlawUniverse basically lol. the golf r is a sleeper to a regular person. im not about the flashy stuff. just quick and comfy
I own the Focus RS. It's fast, exciting and on a different level than the R in terms of dynamics.
Car and Driver said its in a different league than the Golf R and STI maybe playing a different sport.
The Twinster AWD is worlds better than Halidex. This reason alone makes the RS much more fun at driving including drifting around corners and helping the front end pivot around the track. I have the PSS and they work great on the track. The car is neutral with great turn in and control mid-corner. The torque vectoring does a phenomenal job pivoting the car past the Apex. IF you want fit and finish with a comfy ride go Golf R. IF you want class leading handling, braking, power, and FUN go RS.www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-ford-focus-rs-vs-subaru-wrx-sti-vw-golf-r-comparison-test
Thing looks like it pulls pretty hard.
Looks like it bogs down with horrendous lag in first
That's an 11 second Golf R tune right there. not 12's. know you know. #is38
APR stg1 gets you to about 4.4 sec 0-60, right in the RS's area. Remember, there has been no RS tested in US spec trim, on US soil, yet by any mag. Stg2 gets you 0-60 in 3.9 and stg3+ which has a bigger turbocharger, does the deed in 3.6 sec.
Stage 3+ is actually 3.2
a DSG stage 1 MK7 Golf R does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, stage 3+ does 3.4 seconds which is the stock 0-60 for a ferrari 458!
Dsg golf R stock is 4.5
Its better than the Focus RS 10x
Masterclass EDC better interior more comfortable doesn’t have a childish exterior it’s faster and has more potential to be even faster it has 2 great transmission options and no head gasket issue
I'll put up my manual change against an auto any day of the week, when I'm 80 I'll get an auto! Lol
Triptronic????
just finished off going stage 2+ in mine w/DCC and DSG. It's insanely good. It was just featured on Car Matchmaker this week. It's a bold statement but I can't imagine any car touching the stock to tuned capability than the R.
the APR DSG tune is surprisingly (to me) what seals the deal. Car feels super refined (as it is)... like a 911!
Golf R, ultimate sleeper.
3:23 not the first golf you can turn FULLY traction control off..
In the US it is I believe
on the R lines maybe.. on mk4 you can turn off traction control anytime by the ESP button on the panel
Yeah I can turn it off on my 2002 mk4 gti
Josh d HAHA and its hell of fun turning it off, slayin' the tires
Yeah Lol as soon as boost comes on in 1st and 2nd all grip is gone. I'm still dreaming of the day they make a rwd gti, I've seen people do Rear engine conversions and I think that would be the coolest.
Manual anyday thank you. Auto's no matter what type are boring - at least nowhere near as fun as manuals. Good on the owner for getting the real version with three pedals.
I can approve that, but the DSG you can get in the Golf is one of the best transmissions out there...
I beg to differ. Manual valve body automatics with a transbrake make for a fun ride
+Mechaniholics How? Nothing can beat a proper manual for fun.
Niklas Zehetleitner The DSG while being good isn't perfect anyway. Not as good around town as a manual.
Normally I'm all for a manual gearbox but with the Golf I would pass.
I saw you in that today!! Looks sick!
sooo... he filmed, edited, and also posted it today?
If you saw this car today in Ann Arbor, that was me =) Parker took the car for review last week.
LOVE this car, R32 is one of my dream cars to own
of course the golf r is better than the ford GERMAN CARS>american cars! !
the focus is german too
Stan Luts yep, they're both German.
stock golf mk4 is better than any ford :D
im just not going to mention motorsports and vw i dont even think vw by itself has won much and the ties to hitler yeah id take the ford anyday
They just won Rallye Championshiphs and other stuff. Ford by the way inspired Hitler for his Book and was also sponsored by him. Every 3rd Nazi Truck was a Ford because they held a Fabric there till almost the end of war. The Focus RS is made in Cologne Germany. - Got your point :-D
Focus RSX? nah
Focus SS?
Faraonqa "golf over any Ford" learn to read young sir
The license plate👏🏻
Jeez parker, finally stepping up your NCS GAME, im really happy about that, congrats
The RS has a better awd system, its going to be hard to fix that with an ecu flash.
it's a proven system, if you decide to modify them though the R has a lot more potential without breaking parts.
You can upgrade the Haldex controller to be super aggressive, mark one up for electronic diffs!
Mods mods mods, that's the thing, you can't compare a stock car to a modded car really. At least compare it with another modded car.
damn that's a nice car!
Your profile pictures nicer though XD
I think the Golf R will be my next car. Hopefully its easier to find over the next couple years.
Marc Patterson ye they usually are quite easy to find and they're beautiful cars
drove both bought the rs faster stock and I love ripping back roads best handling awd system I've drove
golf R's are dope even the r32's
But can it kick sideways coming out of a corner under WOT?
If you are daily driving the car, you don't want to shred the tires every time you drive it. Coming from every single Focus RS owner I've talked to: The drift mode is overrated.
MrZz108 You know its up to you, even in drift mode if you want to slide it. It's not like you just hit the button and boom power slide.
but did you see the video of the guy ditching his RS in a ditch while trying to drift? It's more like burnout mode (if you wanna be safe) or crash multiplier mode (if you have balls and the €$ for a new one)
PaganiZondaF650hp That was I don't know how to drive mode.
MrZz108
Wait for stage 2 RS..... :D
I bet it's not going to be as good as the golf r
Definitely not ;)
I wouldn't get too excited over a Stage 2 for the RS......I heard the trick rear diff gets overheated pretty easily with even a relatively small amount of extra power thrown at it. So until that issue gets resolved don't expect much more than like 25 additional hp.....unless you send your RS to the hack a.k.a. Hennessy in which case he will extract another 100hp and not give a shit if your rear diff self destructs after 5 miles
From what I have seen that may not happen.
jameswillard1 the current hope is that a read diff cooler will help resolve many of these concerns. It's a safety feature as well, which even though you don't get to use the RDU when it disengages the upside is it's not 20ft behind you left on the track. Time will tell...
Yes! The golf R is so much more of a car than its competitors. Beautiful interior with a ridiculously smooth ride. So refined.
i love how green whiner fanbois and butthurts all over this video
Those with the 6-speed Manual there is a tiny bleeder valve in the clutch line that you can remove for free and in about an hour. It's right underneath the intake. Gives the clutch pedal a much better feel. Make sure you bleed the air out of the lines
That exhaust is overkill, looks too big imo
Do you know what kind of exhaust is that?
can't wait to try this in Forza Horizon 3!
...oh yeah, I guess not
Hey Parker I love your vids and I've been here since before 60k subs. Congratulations man! xan I get a reply?
Lol, no
proud owner of a black apr stage 2 golf r here :D
focus rs is cheaper in europe for 10.000 dollars.. so focus wins.
...and the ugly cheap focus still sucks!!!
MakeSh00t in eu price for rs=r!
Karl Knack lol. good for you, Working class car is for u that is VW golf.. IN history Golf were for construction people.... so be my guest buy it.
SunLoverMan not true...
MakeSh00t you are wrong.
just say Golf is German. This sums up all those things.
So is the Focus RS
Bruno Danese
Focus is made by Ford. Henry Ford was not German :)
The RS is made in Germany so it is also German
The Focus and Focus RS are both designed and made in Germany .
Ok, lets make Ford Focus a true German look/feel/drive vehicle from now on :)
You don't even have to watch the video, the Answer is YES
So an APR Stage 2 Golf R is somewhat akin to the Golf R400 in terms of power. Glad someone has done this comparison after the R400 was ditched for production.
its kinda a waste to not buy a golf r in DSG...
No, it's not better than the Focus, especially when it's much more expensive. I'm also not sure how aftermarket nonsense is a way to compare cars, and that's what APR is. You compare the factory cars. Comparing one car that's had a lot of aftermarket stuff to a base production car is idiotic. You want to talk about refined, asked the people who are having trouble with their Golf R. Doesn't sound refined to me.
HTHAMMACK1 no problems with my R. Love it
great production quality on this one man
The Focus RS 2.3L base is 350 HP, so with a tune would easily exceed 400 HP/400 lb/f. Hot hatches are for speed and handling. With like for like tuning, the RS with its better handling and AWD system eats this Golf R for lunch. Beast mode.wins every time.
Damn those wheels are the best part of the car
APR has shifter kits for the Golf R manual, not to mention you can reprogram the Haldex to act like the Focus RS. Rather have a comfortable daily sleeper than a boy racer look anyway. Not that I don't like the Focus RS, it rocks.
Love the intro on this video! Also love the golf R... RS has the rally heritage, so perhaps it will sell well off the back of the 'fun' and 'sliding'!!
What kind of exhaust is that?, looks absolutely mental.
Parker: "One.. hell......of a car" 0:40
offcours you can sit in the back, german and dutch people are the longest people in the world, so the made cars for them self.
It makes you wonder why anybody would buy an RS. I guess if you're just a true and true ford person. I'd love to own an R like this.
I own a 2011 Golf Tdi I want to see you put an adult set of golf clubs in the back without folding the seat down. Rather then that this was a great video.
Great now tell VW to make a 2 door available in the US.
All these reviews say the Focus doesn't look good interior wise yet I'm always getting complements on my car's interior and exterior while most don't say anything to my friend with a Golf R. Even when we cruise together, attention is always on the Focus. Plus I might just be too used to old muscle cars but I think the Focus interior is quite high quality.
I bought a A45, expensive but fast as hell with a tune
I can't believe I am actually going to agree with the Virgin today.
How would you compare this to an M2 manual ? They're similarly priced and the M2 will be stock, so no voided warranty..
An M2 is nearly $10,000 more than this.
I would be tempted to at least test drive the new camaro before you buy an M2. But both the M2 and camaro outperform these cars, and I think probably do it in a more fun manner.
Neither the Camaro or M2 will outrun a stage 2 R, especially with the DSG. The R is also the most practical and probably the best on gas as well.
Well obviously the tuned car is better, but what about if it was stock? Really isn't fair to the focus RS for you to compare tuner vs stock
Ol boy got that fine bros eye
nice review, i am thinking of getting a manual Golf 7R for my next car
Dang, Great review on the car. Those are some great numbers for the Golf R Stage 2
Great review, I’m totally with you on the manual. I tried a dream spec black manual and the gearbox and clutch totally put me off. Now I’m off to try the DSG!
For the record, the 2.3 in the RS has been tuned to 900 hp in the Mustang. The Focus also has a better transmission, better infotainment, and a more high tech AWD system.
Definitely better feel in the focus' manual, and the actual torque vectoring vs brake vectoring is a significant difference. I doubt you could get as much power stock turbo and internals as the golf though.
The AWD is more advance true, and the engine is bigger so better power. Where did you read about the interior and the transmission to read that review or comparison? The problem is that if you want a automatic or doble clutch in the RS you can't only manual? I think the manual is better in the RS than the manual of the R/GTI. The most i have seen is the stage 3+ from APR 450hp or 470hp with a bigger turbo than the stock one. Don't know if it's BT yet. What turbo does the RS with 900hp have? From what i have read the R have better interior, more daily driver friendly, DSG if you want, cheaper i think, maybe depends on the country.
more high tech awd when it burns brakes like crazy because it needs to brake vector
How long can the stock internals really last at 392 bhp?!? That's crazy
People say the interiors don't compare and that the Focus in garbage. Obviously haven't been inside a ST or RS, the GTI/R interior IS nicer, but it's not the difference people make it out to be.
The night before motor trend did their Head 2 Head. Did you Plan that? lol Nice Video
DSG is awesome
Love the Golf R. Clean looks, great interior and easy to extract more power from.
I considered the RS before I got my Mustang. I'm guessing Vw sells at retail for normal models, the SVT markup/adp is always insane. short story is I love the Mustang
The Ford dealer around the corner is selling the Focus RS for over $50k. What a scam!
proper video! keep up the good work!
that 349 hp figure in the RS is typical Ford hype... it only produces that in overboost mode for a few seconds. for all practical purposes, its 300hp, which makes sense since it's only 1/10th quicker to 60 mph than an STI
Man the golf r is SOOO nice god dam
The RS can get a Hennessy mod for $700 that makes it better than the stage 2 R, at least in the performance department. Makes me sad. No mod can beat that interior though.
The aftermarket support for the VW Golf platform is just ridiculous. You will have more options if you choose the Golf R.
Stock clutch on the Golf R manual can only handle the OEM power. If you plan on tuning, you will need a new clutch, suggest a southbend stg 2. They have been finding the DSG does just fine upto about 450hp.