Is the 2021 Toyota Supra 2.0 the Better Value?
Vložit
- čas přidán 20. 07. 2024
- With a starting price of $42,990 and an as-tested price of $46,450 the Supra 2.0 is at least $8,000 cheaper than the Supra 3.0, while still providing the same great looks and a very similar experience. With a great sounding 4 cylinder engine, crackles and pops from the exhaust, and exciting handling, the Supra 2.0 doesn't have many compromises. It has the same great grip with an even lighter feeling thanks to weighing 217 lbs less than the Supra 3.0 and in most driving situations will be almost as much fun as the 6 cylinder. All these things add up to make the Supra 2.0 a very solid value that is well worth checking out for anyone that's looking for a very fun sports car in the 40-50k range. What do you think about the Supra 2.0? Thanks to Toyota for providing this Supra for me to review!
Time stamps:
0:00 Exterior
2:28 Interior
4:34 Initial driving impressions
7:06 Acceleration
9:00 Handling
13:00 Other impressions
14:11 Comparing to Supra 3.0
17:18 Comparing to 86 and BRZ
18:29 Pricing
19:45 My real-world fuel economy
20:45 Comparing with other competitors
22:09 Availability
22:23 Final thoughts
Don't miss an upload! Hit the bell and subscribe if you haven't already! Link: czcams.com/users/subaruwrxfan?sub_c...
Twitter @mattmaran
Instagram @mattmaranmotoring
Facebook: / mattmaranmotoring
Shirts and other merch: teespring.com/stores/matt-mar...
Camera gear used (commissions earned): www.amazon.com/shop/mattmaran...
Business inquires can be directed to mattmaranmotoring (at) gmail (dot) com
Matt Maran Motoring is a participant in the Amazon Influencer Program. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I traded my 21 3.0 for a 23 2.0 simply because it feels lights and better to drive. True story lol
The straight six suits the new Supra very well but the 4-cylinder model makes a great car for autocross and touge as it is lighter and easier to handle
For some reason I don't know why but I like the Supra 2.0 and it's really a compelling car
Logical move. The 400z next year is supposed to do something similar. A cheaper version. It works for the sti and wrx 👍 I'm happy any sports cars exist at this point. Manufacturers have been pumping out suv junk for decade
faekz oh I’m so stoked for the 400Z I hope that I get to own one along with the Supra
Mid 30s and its be reasonable. A 4 banger coupe for 40k is stupid
Well there's a reason Toyota ditched the 2jz in the 90s and started winning races. I loved watching all those supras wreck skylines and Ferraris in the 90s with just four cylinders. Two of which were featured on the cover of Gran Turismo.
Man can you imagine the value of buying one these used in 3 years!
You can already buy one for about $16,000, it's called +2015 BMW 228i..... and it comes in a manual. Lol
Vanneker Right around the price of an 86 used, less to be honest.
@@gaivoron the 228i has garbage suspension. Its a pogo stick on a back road. I heard BMW didn't bother to change the dampers from the 235i and that could be true the way it bounces off the road.
Vanneker no thanks
@@aluisious ok, so 16k + 2k max for some high spec coilovers. Still way cheaper
7:10 good to see that the 4-cylinder has packs quite a punch for the new Supra!
I own the exact 2.0 renaissance red you tested and I agree completely with this review.
Just purchased a 2022 2.0 Supra. I shopped the 3.0 but I couldn’t justify spending the extra money. The 2.0 is a blast to drive. If I get a good launch I can achieve 4.5 0-60. This is NOT a slow car by any means and it handles fantastic.
How much you paid out the door?
Another informative and interesting review.
Appreciate your thoughtful conclusion and not automatically preferring the most expensive and fastest sub model.
I clicked as fast as Matt can say “what’s up every body”
Lolllllll Sounds like its fast forward
I clicked quicker than he could do 1 karate chop!
@Leo Juan nope never used it I use basic tv
The passenger camera view you impleted looks great. Cant wait for the type R review, really considering getting one in the near future!
I like the new format of all your videos with segments. Nice
Nice job Matt. I really like how the review is sectioned off. have a good day.
Great always seeing your videos Matt. Keep it coming and thanks for the review.on the Supra.
I think with the 400z coming soon it might be worth the wait to see what they have to offer. As much as I love the looks of this car, I think the price tag is a bit much to swallow. I feel like the Supra will be a good 2nd hand pick in a couple years though. We'll have to see how it depreciates
I can tell you that 2020 will be dirt cheap, everyone will want a 2021 and up Supra on the used market.
It’s a Nissan. I’d rather have a bmw
@@RJM-II 370z is ancient honestly. It looks so old, feels old, interior just isn't very nice. It's worth the 13k premium go to a Supra IMO. But that's my opinion. I think the 400z will be interesting though. 370z is a great pick when you find one thats a few years old. They are cheap enough used and they are all basically the same from 09 to 20
This is the reason why it didnt sell well the first time and ceased production lol.
@@RJM-II it’s why I bought a 2019 370z at a great price! No comparison - I couldn’t care less about the interior lol... kind of lose respect for people who talk about that for these cars. The main thing: old school feel and most important : manual transmission.
The Vq engine and a manual can go forever. My winter beater is a 6mt v6 Altima coupe with 390,000km that I have BEAT up.... lol... not following maintenance and barreling down potholed dirt roads that SUV’s are literally turning around on - though admittedly I’ve blown stunts doing that... but can blame any car for that!
I’m looking forward to trying the 2.0 but thought they should have introduced it with a manual.
It’s funny to watch this after Matt Farah’s review, always enjoy your reviews as well though Matt; different perspectives
Farah doesn't hold back
Awesome Review Matt!
Edit: Can you start adding some exhaust clips in the reviews? It would be nice.
I was planning to get some exhaust clips of this car but unfortunately they came to pick it up sooner than they originally planned so I ran out of time.
love those screens right in your line of sight!
Will be a steal when it’s selling for low 30s in a few years. I love this car!
I like your reviews very much! Nicely done. I'm a bit puzzled as to no heated seats? Not even an option?
Yeah, it’s odd that they’re not an option.
Awesome video! Am looking into buying a new car but wasn’t sure if I should get the GR86 or Supra 2.0. Very good insight about the 2.0.
1 year late but GR for resale and driver experience. Supra for speed and refinement.
Someone needs to tune the supra 2.0 and see how much power you can push out of the engine 😎
At $43K, a Mustang GT starts to look pretty good. Granted, I'm sure the Supra has better handling and a better interior but it's hard to pass up the Coyote V8 at this price point.
You can get a gt pp2 package for cheaper too.
Word
at 43k you can buy a used mercedes c63 amg
@@Andy-ft8jf thats a horrible idea. used mercedes have zero value
You'd prob out handle this in a mustang. They have a better LSD and it's an NA V8 with torque on tap and their transmission doesn't overheat with spirited driving. Not hating but for the pricing the stangs are hard to beat my dude
Hey Matt! Great review...as always. Do you know if the 2022 Toyota Supra 2.0 comes with Apple Carplay?
Thanks! It does!
This car makes no sense for the price.
Still no manual.
Why just why!?
Just think about how much it will depreciate. It will be such a bargain
do z4 have manual ? no.
Yea price is retarded high for what you get wtf
the only reason ppl are complaining saying it’s not worth the price i’ve noticed is because they actually want the car and just can’t afford it. i can’t at the moment either but it’s funny. if y’all think it’s not worth it and shit why are you on here complaining i don’t get it.
@@fr8987 pretty stupid assumption to make.
2.0s in my area are usually going for around $47-48k. Haven’t seen any in the $43k range.
One of the few cars i would get in red!
400z next year hopefully compete w this and Toyota need to make a 6 spd cmon!!!
There's a lot of hate surrounding this car but I think a lot of people are missing the point. If you looking for something to take to the track then no, this isn't the car for you. If you want a dope weekend car to cruise around in, looks like nothing else out and has a luxurious interior then yea, this is it. I understand the desire for a manual but I live in the city so no thank you. I have no desire to race anyone. I just want something fun to drive. SOLD.
You can get the 2.0 for $43k all day long. They all seem to be discounted. I think it’s the best bargain vs performance vs the 3.0 and 86.
Not that I'd buy one, but if you where cross shopping with the Ecoboost you got to keep in mind how much more power can be sucked out of the supra.
To much money not enough car. Nissan 400z come sooonnn
Yeah wooo a 50k Nissan. Shut up man 😂😂😂 fucking vr30 is nothing but headaches ask me how I know
Wedow the new 400z will probably be priced around the price of a 2.0 supra but with alot more power
Cuong Nguyen you get what you paid for, nothing is free. the z will probably have chevy quality interior 🤣
Cuong Nguyen perhaps on paper but I bet the Supra smokes it on the road, besides who’d buy Nissan over Supra nowadays anyhow
@@CuongNguyen-kz4lv and a manual!
Just bought a 2022 2.0 !
I don't remember your videos being 1.5x playback speed by default.
I’m literally pretty sure I saw you driving this around
Just waiting for a TRD MANUAL M/T version of this cool looking car
If the 2.0 depreciates like the V6 Camaro or Mustang, cheaping out on the engine doesn't really save you anything in the long run. OTOH, if you want a cheap Supra, wait a few years for the four-cylinders to come onto the used market.
hi Matt. nice vid. liked b4 watching b/c I knew it was going to be good
Too expensive. 42k for 255hp, not a good value. When you consider the fact that Evos and STIs have been making 290hp+ for under 40k since the 2000s, for Toyota to release a 42k four banger with only 255hp in 2020 makes no sense. The only way people will buy these is once they don't sell for the msrp and the dealers are forced to heavily discount them. Once the price goes down to like 37 or 36k, that is when they'll start selling. You can get a camaro ss 1le for 42k or the 2021 Civic Type R. The list goes on.
Exactly, you can buy way more car for the same price or less
Dyno shows 255 at the wheels. Thats about 300hp crank.
I'd like to see how the aftermarket goes with this car. If the engine can hold 450 engine reliably I can say I wouldn't mind one used in a few years.
That engine has been around for a while now... they’ve been in BMWs since like 2013
Supra Eco Boost w/o manual
I want one
I crack myself up
So basically what the brz should have been.
Based on your comment, it's obvious you don't know much about cars. The brz is based off the AE86 which was a lightweight, low powered/NA, fun RWD car (which is exactly what the brz is). So no, this ISN'T what the brz should have been. The brz IS what it's suppose to be.
CarsOverPeople facts
@@CarsOverPeople yea people that say Hur dur turbo BRZ FRS are the same people that wouldn't buy it then get triggered when Toyota drops the lineup. That would overprice the car and ruin it
Can we get that 2.0 down to $38k please! i'm willing to wait to this fall 2021.
The fastest depreciating Toyota of all time
Well yeah it's a bmw
My toyota dealer been selling the supra like hot cakes.
@@deviltrigger187 wait 5 years... wait for the bmw 5 year issues to arrise.
@@absoluteclownworld There are BMW's that have the same engine and are problem free.
@@deviltrigger187 You're talking out of your ass. The sales of the Supra have steadily declined month over month since it was released last year. There hasn't been a single month of increased sales over the last year. Just google it & stop making shit up.
2 questions... how does it compare to the genesis 2.0t coupe? remember hyundai did a couple awesome coupes one w the 3.6 v6... and also how does it compare to a camaro/ats 2.0t, ecoboost, etc.
I discuss how it compares later in the video.
Summary of comments:
Everybody complaining about the price being too high for what it is and Matt arguing with them where applicable that "it's really a bargain."
.
Fact of the matter is that people don't want to pay BMW depreciation, MSRP, & maintenance prices for a Toyota and that plus the lack of a manual transmission is most likely the reason sales have steadily declined month over month since this car's launch. They had trouble getting MSRP in some areas at launch time, it's not a hot selling car at all. We'll see how the 2.0 turns out with this substantial price cut. People may feel it's more worth it now.
.
There's nothing objectively bad about the car, it's a great car, but I think it was made for a demographic that doesn't really exist. Euro lovers don't want a Toyota, and Toyota owners don't want a BMW. And I think that's one of the major cruxes of this car - it's sort of confused about what it is. It's a good BMW, but it's not what a lot of people wanted the Supra name to be tied to.
Who was leading the body shape group?
Toyota?
BMW?
Very very pretty kudos
The mirror covers are also different. In the six, it’s either mat black or carbon fiber. In the four it’s shiny black.
Ah interesting, didn’t hear that. Thanks for the info!
Matt Maran Motoring No prob. I bought the ‘20. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for buying one!
Hard to justify that price for a 4cyl, I’d rather pick up the 6 used.
At least within 500 miles of me, the cheapest used 2020 Supra with a clean carfax is still 49k.
wake me when this car is available with 3 pedals.
A very good video.
But save your money and buy a 4cy.turbo ecoboost premium and with a few mods. That don't cost to much you can be putting out major.. HP...
.
4 speaker vs 12 speaker ??? I really need to know is the 4 speakers enough. I don't want to take out any loans but if I must it will be 3.0 if difference is just 8k but if 4 speakers is sufficient, the 2.0 will do.
If this were around the early 30k price point it is worth it but they have the 86 Hakone inching into this price area
So $43,000 for the base Supra 2.0, $3,500 more if you want the safety/tech kit. Still nearing about $50,000 after all the fees and destination charges.
Toyota missed the point of even bringing this out as it is almost expensive as the bother.
For that price you can go m3 m4 corvette c7 rcF. Too many better options and still no manual ?!
The sheer amount of neckhair is SHOCKING lol. 4:48
The Supra 2.0 is a balanced car but still underpowered and for 43k before options, taxes, and interest, I can think of other cars to spend my money on, or just get a BRZ or 86 for a good deal that’s been sitting on the lot and supercharge it and still save a lot of money. For that money, the 2.0 Supra should come standard with a proper rear diff, better brakes, and closer to 300 hp.
jjus jjoe you gonna spend about 45k out the door on a 2.0 4 cylinder Supra with no rear LSD and shit brakes?
jjus jjoe These dyno at 217whp.. it’s not underrated like the B58 supra. An 86 is definitely a better buy. This doesn’t even have an LSD..
Correction: brakes stop it just as well as the 3.0 (see Car & Driver review of each) and 2.0 has a mechanical LSD.
So all the toyota sport cars of today have non toyota engines? Lol subaru and bmw
they're not built by toyota at all, toyota does the engineering and design and the other company actually makes the entire cars
you can get a 3.0t or a second hand v3 cts v.... guess which one i went for ? ;)))
Any chance this undermines the next gen 86 or vice versa? Especially if the 86 gets a power bump?
I think they're hoping this fills that market...but it won't, because it's like 2x the price.
I think because this car exists, the GR86 probably won't get a turbo. But I could be wrong.
Seems nice, but when there are mustang GTs near me for 34k, this seems way to expensive.
Would have been a cool retro marketing pitch, if Toyota would have taken this platform but more different styling, and just named it the Celica. But beafing up the Supra in hp to justify having three sports cars.
If the back end is getting loose at 20mph it doesn't have that much grip...
I know it's not a normal supra but I think Toyota should make a convertible version. I mean the MR2 isn't coming back so they could market the supra with a convertible option
Matt has the wind buffeting been adressed?
Unfortunately not, but it’s mostly fixed with a $10 part off Amazon.
I don’t think this will sell well. If it were mid to upper $30k, possibly
I think they overpriced it and missed an opportunity to make it unique by throwing in a 6spd stick. The Veloster-N seems like a better buy.
I'll wait for 6 years and pick one up for half the price. I'm driving around a 2013 bmw 128i m sport and having a blast. Bought it cash for $14,000 a year ago. The car was $40,000 brand new. No thank you right now, toyota.
I would buy this in a heartbeat if it was a manual.
Won't even consider without a manual transmission.
Guess you’ll never have a newer sports car then lol
@@Prodrift7 For real, these manual only guys drive me nuts sometimes. It's like go away so that I don't have to pay extra for an automatic transmission anymore.
$43k? Are they on drugs?
@@iPhone4Gaddict wrx is fucking slow and interior is trash. 35k for a jice wrx premium that still feels like crap and its a heavier less dynamic car 😂😂😂😂 more power yet with awd is slower than the base supra by. 5 seconds and that's if you shift perfectly 😂😂😂😂
They have trd Camrys and avalons worth more or the same as this so yea...
A lot of money for a 4 cylinder imao
slow 2v You can buy a Miata and get it heavily modified for the price this car will go for.
warriorofsunlight Ehh rather would get a Miata. 50/50 weight and mad easier to tune for time attack and autocross.
Did you have problems getting in and out with your neck like the smoking Tire did?
No, but I'm only 5'9".
Theres a trick to getting in its not that difficult i haven't mastered getting out though
I can get over the fake vents but; fake engine noise thru the audio system!!!
$43k is still very expensive for a 2.0. Toyota’s 0%apr, illusions of being affordable and better values..besides you get a 2.0 people say why don’t you get the 3.0, when you get the 3.0 still not a 2jz...lastly it is a automatic..a lot of pressure to own a new Supra. Why not use $43k to get a real 90’s Supra?!
I bought a clean SZ manual 1998 quicksilver supra for 8000 USD 2 years ago. The new supra is a bit disappointing especially for the money
Nice review Matt Moron. 👌
its nice people have a choice
That 4 banger should have put it on 86! Rip 86!!!!
He said "same motor you get in the 3 series" what the hell is he talking about? He said that around the 13 minute mark.
Subaru wrx fan here
Get one, run it hard under warranty, if anything breaks get it fixed. Once warranty expires and it's payed off, swap the motor.
Either there is none or the fake loudspeaker engine sound is better on the Supra than on the Z4 sDrive 30i. (on the Z4 is sounds too synthetic)
How about compared to the Alfa Romeo 4c?
4C is way more expensive, mid-engined and much more raw, so it's a totally different kind of driving experience. They're fun though.
Supra is a great car dont get me wrong, BUT for that price range I'd much rather have a Corvette, M3, S4, or even a Ford RS and they're all cheaper i feel because of sharing parts with BMW i don't feel toyota came up with the price i cant wrap my head around a 43k Toyota
Toyota need to put the inline 4cylender at gt86...
for 45k i can see myself getting many other 6cyl coupes... so, NEEXXXTTTT!!!
You can get V8 power for less than that price in the Camaro and Mustang. The Camaro SS with the 1LE package is around $45,000 and it's one of the best sports cars on the market right now, able to compete on a road course with cars costing many $10's of thousands of dollars more.
@Daniel Scott
"Better" in what way? Engineering is an exercise in compromises. There is rarely one solution that clearly outweighs all the others for all criteria. If inline 6s were better than V8s, then why doesn't every car have one? Which is not to say inline 6s aren't great engines in their own way, as are V8s. I own both an inline 6 powered car (Datsun 240Z and a V8 powered car (Camaro SS 1LE) and I have great respect for both powertrains.
what do you drive?
Well everything was good up to you started talking about the upgrade if you have an apple that you have to uses upgrade I don't think so I don't think so $47,000 for a 4 cylinder no way
This car should be the 86! at the 86 price:) This 2020 2.0 will be 25,000 in less than two years used!
That is a lot of "You know's" Matt. But i did like the video you know.
Steve McQueen was a big Queen 😘😘😘
short answer: no
long answer: nooooooo
Toyota sales like Ford has taken such a serious fall that Toyota is extending their )% for five months to average credit and ford is giving back up to 10,500 on their trucks, times are very bad for manufacturers as people are worried about food and rent etc. There are MAJOR deals happening NOW!
Just wait for the Mazda3 2.5T coming guys. Probably slower than the Supra 2.0 but its AWD and probably be around 30k.
A loaded Mazda3 AWD without a turbo is already 30k lol.
What kind of stupid comparison is that?
Might as well get a civic type r for that price
Sounds damn good for a 4 banger! compare this to focus rs or mustang eco sound, they are not even close
They’re also not 45k imao
He has no external audio of the exhaust. All you are hearing is the noise pumped through the stereo to simulate the intake and exhaust.
may as well buy a used BMWx1 since it has the same 144kw B48 engine.The price sucks
Nice Z4, you got there.
Yawn
Used limited low mileage BRZ. 20k, manual, balanced low speed drifts, lighter, more fun. This Zupra is a rip off.
The boxer engine is crap. Ask anyone
@@beexiong2995 It's not about the engine, it's about corners, body dynamics, and tossability at low speeds. No one buys 86/BRZ for an engine. That was one of the tradeoffs apart from it being low and horizontally opposed. It is crap.
@@xFlared what about a dead engine? Ask me why
@@beexiong2995 stock the boxer def is ass, but tuned with headers its pretty nice.
@@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx i had an frs with an UEL tuned on e85. 14.1 1/4 mile on stock everything else. Not bad but my brothers stock g37 beat me thoroughly. These cars arent fast by any stretch. Boost is the only way and even at that it wouldnt be reliable
It's a good compromise but the price is still too high.
Still way too expensive for a 2.0 L turbo. I would pay the 6k difference and go for the 6 cylinders if I was to spend that much money.
For 40k you can get a 1le camaro ss which even preforms better then the 6 cylinder
Putting a 4 cylinder in a Supra is like ford putting their 4 cylinder in the Mustang. They were always known for the inline 6 just like the V8 in the Mustang. I mean they already went the wrong route by putting a BMW motor in what was supposed to be a Japanese car lol they just made it worst.
There were 4 banger jgtc mk4s. Practically there doing the same thing with the mk5. Better balance less nose hwavy,saves weight.
And I’m sure the reliability and service costs will be great
Remember how the Mustang debuted with a 6 cylinder? Didn’t think so.
No iPhone integration without the technology package?!?! It should be standard 🤦🏾♂️
I agree :/
I really like that sound. Dare I say it’s better than the 3.0? Hmm
Lol wtf
Definitely not.