4 Questions for an Atheist
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- čas přidán 1. 09. 2008
- abood11987 wondered if I would answer some questions about the Atheist viewpoint. I asked abood11987 to send me the best questions they had. And this is a video response answering the 4 questions abood11987 sent me. Please feel free to make a video response to these questions or write your own response to these questions.
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A man of science reads dozens of books and realizes how much more there is to know, a man of religion reads part way through one book and thinks he knows everything.
morgan4xl You really seem to know everything about all religious ppl
disastron30 its a pretty accurate description, wouldn't you say?
Mo Knows It is a very generalized and speculative comment, so it can not possibly be accurate. Actually my comment was sarcastic.
disastron30 Oh it was sarcastic? You don't say!
morgan4xl A truly conceited man will add the word "modest" to his list of self-professed virtues. You are merely stereotyping personality traits to feel better about yourself. Scientists can be arrogant fools disagreeing with each other, while the 98% of the world that believes there is some type of spirituality can be quite humble, introspective and self-questioning. Moreover science and religion do not contradict anyway, so what of scientists who have a religion?
Its not atheists who have to prove that god doesnt exist, its religious people who have to prove that god exists.
All the evidences are on the side of atheists, tho.
+hbilha No not really, Theists do not really have to prove anything at all, why would we? We do not have a quota to bring to faith..lmao. If you believe you believe if not then who cares really? I do believe though that Christians myself included have no right to impose our beliefs on anyone. I do have the right to defend my beliefs and practice them as long as I am not hurting another person. The only problem I have is when Atheists think that there is no reason in faith.
Laurie Durnan
If all theists were like you, I wouldnt mind. As long as you dont try to impose your beliefs on others. My problem is with those theists that think they own truth and morality, and try to impose it on other people, and when you contest their ideology, and they are out of arguments, they will throw at you that ultimate argument "well...you cant prove it didnt happen...so...case closed".
NO! I actually CAN prove it didnt happen .
There is no scientific, biological, historical, social, political, evolutionary, documental, rational, logic evidence that God exisits, much less religions being the actual word of God streamed by prophets.
Atheists have the moral and intellectual highground, whether theists like it or not.
Sorry.
hbilha
lmao you told me....lol. Well you are wrong on a few accounts, No scientifically we can not prove God. How do you figure you have any moral or intellectual high ground. You insult many many brilliant theists.
And yes if you do contest their ideology of course they will defend. The bottom line is you can not prove God with the Scientific method, it would be silly to try. God is abstract and is personal. People have many different reasons for believing in a deity, just because you do not does not mean they are wrong or their reasons invalid.
Laurie Durnan
I cant prove god doesnt exist. You cant prove god exists.
I have a ton of evidence on my side that strongly suggests god doesnt exist. You have nothing.
I win.
God doesnt exist.
Religions are man made.
hbilha
That literally made me laugh out loud... You have no evidence that suggests God does not exist. I have a ton that does...
You have nothing literally nothing.
I win.
And yes Religions are man made. But God is not. Just like Atheists say. Just because there is no answer yet does not mean there is not one.
Just because we do not fully understand God does not mean we will not.
Just a question for fun. For all the miracles that are documented with no explanation for, are all of them liars? or all of them coincidence? Do you not have any belief in what you can not see or explain? Or does it all boil down to reductionism for you?
Religion is toxic. Knowledge is power.
And Magic is might.
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Knowledge is small; wisdom is power.
Dear religious people: Religious people don't get to say there's evidence for the things they pretend. Evidence is for people who don't pretend. Evidence is not yours to use. You get magic. When someone asks you about your god, just smile and say "MAGIC!" If you're not comfortable with that, maybe you should reconsider whether you're actually superstitious.
Typical atheist bashing religion and then gets mad if someone disagrees with your scrawny or overweight and weak atheist.
joseluis14ism Don't you hate it when you join a religion based on the slaughter and eternal torture of 2/3 of humanity, then someone says something mean?
+Docktor Jim No I don't hate because everyone can have their own view. But you atheist act like the Christians are the bad guys and expect people to agree with you so that you can be happy.
joseluis14ism I was the youth pastor at a big church. I converted a bunch of people to Christianity. I hope some of them got out. I am atoning for that. Christians aren't bad. They're just afflicted with a bad delusion. It's a curable condition.
+Docktor Jim No there's nothing wrong with Christianity and to say is a curable condition just proves my point.
I think some people need to just realize we can't answer every freaking question proposed.
Thank You
sierra wilson Wait, you actually agree? You aren't going to tell me to kill myself? This is such an odd change of pace. Thank you very much!
Nick Hen. haha yes I agree. God Bless.
Words; words; words ! All depends upon words? How quaint....
Conversation without words? No way !
onelove Who is pretending to know things?
Even if we scientifically found out how the whole universe came to existence, people will still believe in God. :/
Dax Corsiar You are probably right, but lets be clear that we do NOT know how the universe came to existence. The only thing we know is that it had to be intelligently caused due to the fine-tuning of a couple dozen physical laws to allow for atomic structure.
Dax Corsiar "Even if we scientifically found out how the whole universe came to existence, people will still believe in God. :/"
Yes, ignorant and foolish people would.
Wesley Hundl hahahahahah man you are so funny,Scientifically proven belief ,you are the only idiot here
Zeath 1010 dozens of times
Dax Corsiar Despite everything we DO know about science, there are still a small number of people who don't believe in God.
Some of the best Christians I've ever met are atheists.
😂😂😂
Um dude you can't be Christian and not believe in God.
+Ethan Chandler hhahaha u mug
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What I'm saying is that some atheists are decent people and I think God will take that into consideration.
theist assumptions
1 god exists
2 communication between man and god can occur
3 such communication has occurred
4 god is trustworthy
5 that communication occurred with the writers of the holy books
6 the communication was recorded accurately
7 to this day that written account remains accurate
8 the heart is the seat of emotions and not just a muscle that circulates blood
SFC Cuddles
the list is in order of importance. If you don't accept each in order you not a full theist but maybe a deist
SFC Cuddles
then a theist without a holy book? that would be a deist IMVHO
SFC Cuddles
it's just a quibble on semantics then. In my reality tunnel You can think whatever you want just don't try to force it on me. You can say anything you want just don't try to force me to believe it You can do anything you want just don't do it to me without my consent or try to force me to do it. And of course this applies to everyone else. Deism or theism is fine IMVHO it's religion that poisons everything. I think we'd be exploring the universe now if it wasn't for the Abrahamic faiths for the most part.
+Moldred T. Malcontent To believe in any of these insane superstitious things,
simply documents you're collective, scared tiny brain's. No wonder the world is still in chaos. People like you. Get real, learn science, not Voo Doo, B.S.
people do like me! but Every life form in the multi-verse is unique
from birth ( or before? ) we all have unique experiences that only we had these events in our own personal lives effect how we see, experience and react to the world around us no living thing ever holds the exact same opinion or belief as any other just like no living thing sees exactly the same color as anyone else. You live in your meme/reality tunnel and I live in mine. At times they may run parallel but that's all. reality is what you can get away with. The Aneristic Principle is that of APPARENT ORDER; the Eristic Principle is that of APPARENT DISORDER. Both order and disorder are man made concepts and are artificial divisions of PURE CHAOS,
All this god, mohammed and jesus stuff is not true in my opinion,
TEDDYSM IS THE ONLY RELIGION!
We Teddysts believe that in EVERY teddy bear, there is a soul. We pray by cuddling with our teddybears. Our teddybears then give the message on to the upper Teddy and he is the one who is determining how my life is going to pass by. And I know so many people are going to ask me how I can prove this, BUT NO ONE CAN PROVE THIS IS NOT THE ONLY RELIGION!
It says so in the holy book of teddy, the Teddyble. It's written there, SO IT'S TRUE! Look:
Woolen bears 1:2
"In every teddy bear there is a soul."
See? It says so in my holy book SO YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!
There has to be a creator of everything, and that was the upper teddy. Everyone will say: "Teddybears are made by men, so how can a teddy bear create the universe?" BECAUSE THE TEDDY BEAR IS OMNIPOTENT. HE CREATED MANKIND!!!!1
EVERYONE, FOLLOW THE TEDDYSMIC WAYS AND SUCCES WILL SOON BE YOURS!
Repent! Or face Teddy's...furry!
propoetide Or face Teddy's slightly too hot heating blanket.
Big Macintosh. That piece of text, Big Macintosh, will come in the teddyble! Geniously written!
ALL HAIL OUR LORD AND SAVIOR TEDDY BEAR
Μαrιeημs How much weight can a person's "opinion" carry?
You're a logical (and beautiful) human being...
She looks like Maggie Gyllenhaal a little bit...
But more prettier....
풍뎅이 Looks more like robin scherbatsky to me
MrNotebookguy oh yeah, and carrie anne moss too.
풍뎅이 robin scherbatsky and a young gillian anderson from the x files
God-Mode Incarnate yours is one of the most inappropriate and off-topic comments I have ever read on CZcams.
For Theist,
Tell your GOD to make me believe in Him...
+intj123 Dear, If your God Can not make anyone believe in him or can not control our mind from atheism then he is as weak as Cripple.
+intj123 Dear, Even I never assumed anything..Now you are with assumptions about me...
Well!!! FREE-WILL is a purely ridiculous concept..& If people have free will, why cripple God will punish people...
If God can not stop us from doing bad, he has no rights to punish us...
If theist believe in FREE-WILL, then only cripple god will bless them. ;-)
Then We are GOD of ourselves..If fool GOD can not help people with punishing to bad people..He is not Wise...
Have you even gone to Hell what you talked about..
If 'Yes' You are not following path of God or God is not able to make you good enough for following his path...
If 'No' how could you described it???
Believe in your experience not in written things...
People will die after falling from plan..this is experience what i talked about and It is proved..
If that was written in book only, I wouldn't have believed...
If you are saying about Books, Documentaries, there are many books, documentaries against GOD so why don't you believe in those things???
In quantum mechanics particles pop in and out of existence all the time. We have known thins for 100 years. Get up to date.
+Roedy Green Particles and all mater are energy. They don't pop in and out of existence because of nothing. Partices have fields. I'm not an expert but I know for sure that they are not out of "NOTHING". Just think of them as waves, you have a line, add energy and you create a wave that goes from -1 to +1. Antimatter and matter, together they make 0 but their field(line) is there; Just a different form that requres and releases energy. If its confusing it's because I don't want to write a lecture
+Petros Oratiou You don't understand quantum mechanics, because quantum mechanics really doesn't abide by modern standards of science and mathematics. When he says they "pop" in and out of existence, he literally means that.
***** but modern sciense is using quantum mechanics. I don't think quantum mechanics can't be understood just because they're strange.. We already have the uncertainty principle, that actually describes one of the strangest phenomenons in quantum physics. But come on, don't doubt thermodynamics.. I think it's out of question that you can't get something out of nothing.
+Roedy Green
These are You Tube University graduates you"re trying to talk too. It just seems like complete nonsense because we are complete idiots, and they know everything :)
+Roedy Green Well in fact quantum foaming and particle duality and superposition etc. I suppose could be viewed as subatomic particles appearing from nowhere.
However as far as anyone knows they are the same particle that existed before just with borrowed attributes from the future. Subatomic particles are not bound by time in the same way a solid object like a block of wood is. So the most reasonable conclusion is they arrive in a place an time consistent with that fact...and they do.
But having said that there's no evidence thus far that 'nothing' is a possible state to begin with. So its not like things can appear from nowhere and nothing if nowhere and nothing are not states to begin with.
I'm an atheist. If i'm in a difficult situation i don't ask someone fictional who isn't gonna help me in any way. I ask my friends, my family or if necessary a professional. People who are actually going to help me. Also, you put it excellently in your final comment. There is always something you can do. There's not always so much, you can't always get out of it yourself, but there is always something. I was bullied a lot throughout elementary and middle school, and i needed help from my parents and the teachers. I got that, but for my self i didn't fall to my knees and prayed, instead i did as Michael Jackson so finely put it; i started with the man in the mirror. "take a look at yourself and make a change" and that helped me. Now i'm not going to say praying is a complete waste of time if you actually believe. There is something called the placebo-effect. If you think something is going to help it often does, because the mind has extreme superior power over the body. If you can muster your mental strength or simply truly be convinced that what you'r doing will help then it often will. But if you don't genuinely believe (if you do then this comment is of no value to you) i can help, but if you don't then it's absolutely worthless and i recommend anyone to try anything other than praying. Because even though it may help a bit (due to placebo) anything else you actually do is going to help more
Answers:
1) 18 cm
2) Yes I do like foreplay
3) No, keep your fingers away from it
4) Yes you are welcome to swallow
When a stone aged man looks up at the sky and asks, “What is up there and how did all of this come to be?” Honest stone aged people say, “I do not know.” Dishonest stone aged people say, “We know everything.”
Jesus Christ I think you just won the war.
Jesus Christ omg Jesus is back!!!
This lady is so hot to me.
I'd do sinful things to her
She's one pretty atheist!
+John P. Jones ugly af
+Don't sit on your stools Yeah...we KNOW!
Raphael Everest Why you mad?
I read this from another source but thought it was quite fitting to the latter half of this video:
"Threatening an Atheist with Hell is like a Hippie threatening to punch you in your aura"
If being charming was a sin, you would go to straight down.
We built the myth of religion and gods for millenniums, but i have hope that in a few centuries the world will get past that. No more war and acts of violence in the name of gods, but science, to cure diseases and explore galaxies.
+Victor Ximenes Our brains evolved in such a way that religious concepts are possible and even likely just as we evolved a respiratory system that makes colds possible. In short, we evolved our way into this mess and we have to evolve our way out of it.
And the brain that allows for people to commit atrocities in the name of religion allows other principles that we don't consider to be religious to act in much the same way.
We might be able to evolve our way out of it in a few centuries but I think it will have to be because of a change in the way our brains work.
+Edwin Luciano
Evolution is false.....
www.darwinismrefuted.com/science_materialism.html
www.icr.org/article/9002
www.icr.org/article/study-shows-proteins-cannot-evolve
www.icr.org/article/9002
Chris M
Oh. A link! What you're saying has to be true then. It's on the internet.
+Victor Ximenes The gods were obviously created within the mind of Humanity, in an attempt to answer the really big questions. Science has found most of the answers for us,EG. "Where did we come from?", "Where are we going?" "Who/what am I ?". Unfortunately, a great deal of the answers we have found, have fallen on deaf ears because this applies a great deal of stress on the individual, they no longer have this Father-figure to coo in their ear & whisper, "It's all right".
+Edwin Luciano
Prove love exists , should be easy for someone like you.
"Hitler and Stalin both have mustaches, but we don't say they did what they did because they have mustaches." - Richard Dawkins
i CANNOT IMAGINE WANTING ANYONE .................ANYONE TO SUFFER FOREVER
Right?!
You need to read the Bible. God does NOT want anyone to suffer forever! It is by your own FREE WILL that you choose to suffer forever. John 6:47: "I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life." You don't need to make it complicated, being saved is an easy choice, if only you can overcome your own pride.
1DoTLone It's not pride. I dont exactly believe in a book that is written by people with no proof what so ever. What proof is there? I don't exactly fell like wasting my very short life believing and worshipping a god that may or may not exist. A god that is no more real than any other god in any other religion. I sure as hell am not gonna worship a god who's followers only know how to tell people that they are going to burn in hell for not believing. I also will not believe a self proclaimed god who died a couple thousand years ago.
1. Something from nothing.
We know the big bang happened. What caused the big bang? I don't know, but I don't see why it can't be a natural cause.
2. Justice for the wicked
This world is not fair. Both me and a mouse would have a very different opinion of my house cat.
3. Fear of damnation
Once I learned Santa wasn't real, I stopped worrying all year if he was watching me or not.
4. Reaction to hopeless situations
Change the things you can, accept the things you can't, and be smart enough to know the difference.
When I was a child I thought that if I tried really hard, I might be able to fly. A few years ago I flew to Australia. Science got me there, not faith.
SHE is beautiful :)
She is. But she has bad taste in clothes, necklaces and I'm pretty sure she is lesbian.
Jesus says you suck ass good.
Dinesh Kumar I mean I don't say this often but wow she's gorgeous
I'm bored.sorry if you were offended.Good day
Dinesh Kumar , Listen to what she is saying .
That hair hypnotized me... So charming
Why can't I find such logical and intelligent women here. Oh. I live in the bible belt.
FactVsReligion Answers are much too complicated. Here are my answers:
1. As an atheist [whatever that is], I don't care. I might care as a scientist, but as an atheist, I don't give a hoot.
2. Why is anyone even asking this question anymore?
3. There is no hell.
4. Deal with it; prayer hasn't given us any ambidextrous amputees.
In my [not so] humble opinion, before asking these questions, the religious need to show that there is a provenance. You can't say 'godidit' without first proving that that god exists.
carrstone01
Cracked up at ambidextrous amputees. gj.
FirstDragonSlayer It's but a little joke, 'though all mine own.
Damn she has the most lovely green eyes...
And AC said: "LET THERE BE LIGHT!" And there was light.
If god is so forgiving then why did he drown the world and all the animals, why did he send his son aka him on a suicide mission, and why is there a hell?
Timothy Mostad I agree, my question is to the people who choose to believe it. I know it's a bunch of smoke and mirrors but I'd like to see the rationale behind it.
Timothy Mostad ha ha ha it would seem so.
King Tetsumaki Oh yeah, Mr atheist, then tell me this. I'm going to say something that'll change your opinion on religion entirely, and you can be savoired by Jesus Christ his lord and savoir himself. if there is no God, then you tell me. How does the sun rise or lower itself. Does Einstein control that too? I didn't think so. Now get some proper bible textbooks and edumicate yourself.
Davis Moniz oh my goodness, your right. I will repent my erroneous decisions and give myself to the big sky daddy.
Davis Moniz yes now let's convert the world. Jesus will be proud.
As to the justice question, following the beliefs of Christianity for example, it doesn't matter if you torture or kill others because all you have to do is confess your faith is "jesus" and you're off the hook. So where's the justice there?
Maddy Moore it does matter if you kill people but if u sin u have to repent which means u have to pray to God to forgive u and he will forgive u. Don’t u think it would be nice to have a God love u no matter what and forgive u for what you’ve done?
@@Elysian_Peaches ...you told a lot of shit there
just a question, is hawking radiation technically something created out of nothing?
Was gladly surprised to see that the video was all the other way around of what I expected, with a quite clever girl giving honest thought answers to the person that asked the questions.
Way to go girl.
my question to atheists is; If Yggdrasil doesn't hold up the worlds, what prevents them from falling into Ginnungagap?
Q'uq'umatz do!
Who created God.
+Zonrox Bleach and your evidence fucking idiot.
+Zonrox Bleach evolution is a proven fact. Learn something before you respond like a fool. Lol. Later.
Man created him about 10000 years ago as a way of explaining the sun.
Wow, Roth. You seem to be ahead of the crowd.
Which man created him? what was his name and what country did he live in. Why would such a postulate even be asked by a creature who for 50 billion (?) years never felt the need to do so? Why would a fish ask what is water? Why did this question arise 10,000 years ago and not sooner or later?
The sun needs no explanation anymore than does a stone (does it?). For a creature who changed from several atomic elements into one with conscientiousness (what's that from a materialistic point of view?) why would the question even come up or why would it begin to think ANYTHING needs explanation? As Bertrand Russell once said of the Universe "It's just THERE! that's ALL!"
The is no survival benefit to speaking about God. Having a sense of the transcendental doesn't help garner additional mates.
King, I think you made this up.
Society
What is the probability of the first cells to emerge without involving a guiding intelligent force ? Would you say that it is plausible that a tornado over a junkyard could produce a 747 ? Would you say that it is plausible that mindless random chance can write a book, or produce the hardware and software of a computer ? The cell is like a factory, that has various computer like hierarchically organized systems of hardware and software, various language based informational systems, a translation system, hudge amounts of precise instructional/specified, complex information stored and extract systems to make all parts needed to produce the factory and replicate itself, the scaffold structure, that permits the build of the indispensable protection wall, form and size of its building, walls with gates that permits cargo in and out, recognition mechanisms that let only the right cargo in, has specific sites and production lines, "employees", busy and instructed to produce all kind of necessary products, parts and subparts with the right form and size through the right materials, others which mount the parts together in the right order, on the right place, in the right sequence, at the right time, which has sophisticated check and error detection mechanisms all along the production process, the hability to compare correctly produced parts to faulty ones and discard the faulty ones, and repeat the process to make the correct ones; highways and cargo carriers that have tags which recognize where to drop the cargo where its needed, cleans up waste and has waste bins and sophisticated recycle mechanisms, storage departments, produces its energy and shuttles it to where its needed, and last not least, does reproduce itself. The salient thing is that the individual parts and compartments have no function by their own. They had to emerge ALL AT ONCE, No stepwise manner is possible, all systems are INTERDEPENDENT and IRREDUCIBLE. And it could not be through evolution, since evolution depends on fully working self replicating cells, in order to function. How can someone rationally argue that the origin of the most sophisticated factory in the universe would be probable to be based on natural occurence, without involving any guiding intelligence ? To go from a bacterium to people is less of a step than to go from a mixture of amino acids to a bacterium.
Not understanding something does NOT prove the existence of a creator.
Complexity does NOT imply design and does not prove the existence of a god. Even if design could be established we cannot conclude anything about the nature of the designer. Many systems have obvious defects consistent with the predictions of the scientific theory of evolution.
Really? This girl has no idea what we mean by God, does she? The answer to her question about who created God is that God did not have a beginning, he is the beginner, God is timeless, space less, and immaterial. So if you are timeless then do you have a beginning? No. Really the Big Bang proves God because of that, the Theists response to the Big Bang is God. The Atheist response is, uuuuuuhhhhhhh, let me get back to you on that.
So you say something can exist without a beginning? Thats nice. Then i say the universe has no beginning. Its was, is, and will be. Ofcourse this is bullshit. But it has as much evidence as your god being eternal. Give me one reason that i should believe your claim.
And even if we put that aside, there are still a lot of problems. Immaterial you say? You know, that means nonexistent. Yeah. Nonexistent. Tell me one thing that is immaterial and does actually exists. Go ahead. I dare you. Space less? Last time i checked he was omnipresent, but whatever. Being spaceless, again, means nonexistent. Tell me something that exists and is spaceless. Anything.
Think a bit before you blindly follow what some guy in black robe tells you. Especcialy if that guys income depends on you believing him.
Benedek Verburg Yes. God has no beginning, if he did have a beginning, meaning he was created he would not be God. Oh, and I am a Theist, I do not follow a man in a black robe.
I'm afraid i didn't word my point clearly. You are saying that something can exist without a beginning. Now i say to that, why not leave out the god step and state that the universe had no beginning. Else it wouldn't be an universe. Again, this is nonsense ofcourse. But, my statement has just as much validity and proof as yours. None. I would like to know where you got the information on how god looks and behaves. And you didn't adress the other problems i pointed out.
And by a man in a black robe i meant a priest.
Benedek Verburg The big bang is proof that the universe had a beginning, therefore it cannot be eternal. God however is timeless, space less, and immaterial. So if you are timeless do you have a beginning? No.
The big bang is only proof of the big bang. The universe could have easily existed before that, and in that case the big bang was caused by the universe collapsing on itself, and now the cycle began anew. And i don't know where you get all this information about your god. It doesn't state such things in the Bible, wich means you are basically making up stuff you have no way of knowing just to justify your belief in something has no evidence whatsoever and makes you feel good. I even showed you why the spaceless and immaterial thing is not possible. Those are the same as being nonexistent.
Does a lion go to hell for killing a rival's cubs?
Does the lion believe in god?
*****
He may be implying that the lion goes to hell.
If non-Christians go to hell because we're descendent of two people who ate some fruit, what do you think happens to the descendants of animals who ate Christians? The afterlife will not be pleasant for lions.
Animals minds are not like ours, they are made up of instincts. There might be an afterlife for animals, but it will be different from heaven and hell
Drew Sauveterre Actually, the belief of the Creatards is that there were no carnivores originally; Lions, Tigers and Dinosaurs (yes, Dinosaurs!) were all Vegans until a talking snake convinced a woman birthed from the rib of a dust monster (Adam) to eat an apple. One can only conclude that as the animals were also punished, they are thus also "sinners", and will go to Hell for not keeping the Sabbath holy.
i like how our questions are genuine. i mean, u genuinely want to know these things and us athiests will tell you. you're not questioning just to defend your religion.
can you tell your camera's brand and model please ? thank you.
Question for christians: If there is a kind loving god, why would he damn his children to hell simply for not worshipping him when he does not give us imperical evidence that he even exists?
Exactly.
And yet we get approached by people saying "We can save you"? That is a load of shit.
***** So why am I constantly approached by Christians telling me that I'll burn in hell for 'not following the glorious light of Christ'?
Your question is fallacious. God DOES give mankind empirical (not 'imperical') evidence of His existence as Creator. For a full theological answer to your question, simply read St Paul's Letter to the Romans 1.18-32. This section is only fifteen lines, so if you fail to read it, you will have achieved nothing except to prove your question insincere.
As for the scientific take on your question, you'd profit from reading about Intelligent Design, particularly the digital code in DNA (of which Darwin knew nothing). You will quickly come to appreciate that the Intelligent Designer is infinitely more intelligent than any human mind could ever be. Stephen Meyer's book 'Signature in the Cell' is unmissable.
Finally, consider that creation cannot have come about by 'chance' as the improbabilities involved, even for the creation of the simplest living cell, are so mind-bogglingly enormous that they evaluate to absolute zero. Nor can creation have come about by so-called 'evolution' as the interdependence of creatures is absolutely circular in nature, not linear as Evolutionists would have it. In other words, neither the chicken nor the egg came first; they must both have been created at the same time. Meyer demonstrates the same thing for DNA.
>St Pauls Letter (citation needed)
>Stephen Meyer's book (citation needed)
Also, your opinion on improbabilities is debatable. The lovely thing about the universe is that anything that is not absolutely impossible (which is nothing) can occur somewhere in the universe, where the situation is just right to cause it to occur. i.e., our planet is less that 0.000000000000000001% of the universe, and the situation is just right for all the things on our planet.
#1: It’s okay to admit to not having answers, having gaps in our knowledge, etc. Religious people can apparently explain how the universe was created, but for some reason can’t build from scratch a camera, microphone, and codecs that would allow them to post their own video replies. The vehicles that carry them to work, the very homes in which they live. But they can explain how the universe started.
#2: The universe doesn’t care about humans; unless we find our own way off this planet all bad (and good) deeds are erased when the sun engulfs Earth (much sooner than that really). Our deeds still play a major role in our lives in the short time we are here. There are some exceptions, but generally what goes around comes around, and that is retribution. It may suck not to have more than that, but that doesn’t mean there actually is more.
#3: Pascal’s Wager causes people to change the way in which they live the only lives they are sure to have. People who think they are wrong in playing the “I lose nothing if it is true” card are dead wrong; They lose how many hours and dollars to church? How many hours listening to pointless sermons? At the end of the day, those are hours lost that could be spent on Big Brother, blood donations, AIDS awareness projects (though Christianity forbids wasted sperm, implicitly denouncing the use of condoms), fund-raising, etc. (actually making a real difference in the lives of strangers), and none of these things are served better with a side of preaching.
#4: Good reply-there is definitely nothing more useless than prayer. Many Americans sent prayers to the victims of the Philippines disaster…instead of money. Prayer is a way of getting yourself off the hook. If what you wanted to happen happens, you can pat yourself on the back and convince yourself your prayers were answered. If more Filipinos die of starvation because they don’t have proper funds (with food being a donation, we are talking about more than just money for food-money for transportation, etc.), it’s God’s will, nothing to do with you not sending money… Either way you prayed and feel good thinking you did what you could.
But with respect to the one who asked, who clearly wants to know the inner struggle we endure when the matter is personal and imminent, Atheists endure more personal tortures, struggles, and hells than you can imagine. If we are both in the situation where our 6-year-old daughters have been raped and then strangled to the point of near brain-death, with no clear outcome, my struggle to come to grips with it will be far greater than yours. Prayer will help neither of us, for in my example scenario the girl dies either way (my lack of prayer vs. your onslaught of prayer). At the end of the day, you can tell yourself she went to heaven (though the Bible asserts that children are born with initial sin, but we won’t get into that right now), while I cannot bear such comfort.
We don’t have heaven as a convenience to get us through tough times. We have to be strong on our own and deal with it on our own terms, which may be different for each of us. And when you ask how it is possible to get through those kinds of times without the comfort of heaven etc., it only shows which of us really is stronger (not to say there are no exceptions; some might go on a killing spree, but that is very minority either way).
However, what if I turned that question back on you for your #3 question?
What if you were wrong and she did not go to heaven? What is that was the ultimate end to her 6 years on the planet and no retribution is necessarily going to happen to the guy who did it nor is she going to a place of infinite joy?
If you lose Pascal’s Wager, what justice have you done to your little girl as you walk around happily each day “knowing” that she is in a better place? Is the end result not that she just lost all of her ambitions, dreams, and even the joy she brought to others, just because a guy was sick and horny one day, and you feel ultimate comfort?
Dealing with the harsh reality that sometimes it gets that bad makes me more human. It might suck sometimes, but I will not give that up.
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It isn't often that I would be so intrigued by the intelligence and insight displayed in a video that I would actually search for additional videos by the same producer. But, this is just what I am about to do. Great job!
The Sugar-Plum Fairy made the whole world.
Several times on various videos people have posted a response to my post then suddenly that whole thread seems to be gone. There are several possibilities & I do not know what the heck is going on but IF someone posts a response then gets rid of everything before a person has time to see it properly in the comments section, that is about as childish as it gets. It is also indecent to get rid of all the other person's posts.
I found this video very helpful because you seem to have actually good answers to the questions I have been asked many times
Am I the only one who thinks it's annoying one of the questions is "but in your theory these people don't get justice"? Who said people need to get justice, theories aren't made to satisfy morals
1. If there is anything unexplainable there's no reason to think that something unatural like god made it happen. That's just ridicolous.
2. They just die, like plant, like well grown apple falls from the tree. Their bodies will rot. Nothing else.
3. I'm pretty certain I won't go to heaven nor hell.
4. Praying isn't answer to difficult problems you can't do anything about. And there's almost always something you can do.
CaveFreediving Actually, my life is IMMENSELY better than it was with god. And you can say "I believe", but there is no substance or strength in that statement at all. There is no evidence. Christians linger on "but there is no evidence that he DOESN'T exist" That is the only argument theists can muster up. That is the LAST line of defense. What is so wrong with there NOT being a god? Enjoy the time that you have and live your life. It is as simple as that.
You remind me of Scully from XFiles (looks & reasoning). Really good videos. Keep it up.
Although i do hold to belief i have to say i was impressed by your ability to share your thoughts without harshness..i actually share a lot of the same answers and i admire real honesty seen in you .it is a shame i don't stop to question more often how my life will show my belief for good and not for the things that pass. In the end i alone am left with the result i choose.Thanks
As much as I agree with you that certain evil people like Hitler died in misery, it misses the point. Even if he didn't and he died like many other evil people in bliss and happiness, it doesn't mean anything. Sometimes there just isn't justice. The universe can be a cruel place and those who are honest, hardworking, good people get screwed all the time while assholes get rewarded all the time. What we want and what is are very different. It can sometimes suck but that's how it goes. Making up an all powerful being that will one day punish people might make one feel good but things aren't true because it makes people feel good or that's how they want it to be. I'm sorry if people don't like that answer but it's as true as we currently know things to be. I'll take a lesson out of Sam Harris' book. If we imagine the ultimate bad, for example, people burning alive and never passing out and feeling the pain the whole time for eternity (not necessarily the vision of hell but let's call that the ultimate bad), anything that is better than that we can imagine is at least by comparison, good. If we go to the opposite extreme we can imagine that being the ultimate good. My goal in life is to do thing that make me and others around me be as close as possible to the ultimate good. It doesn't always work but that's the goal toward which we should all work. Some good people get screwed along the way, some don't. Some bad people get punished along the way, some don't. And some good and bad people do really well along the way. And that's life.
disastron30 There is zero need for that kind of depth or word salad here. We are talking in basic terms. Good and bad have meaning on planet Earth and just about every person alive understands what people mean when we use these words. This kind of analysis isn't remotely necessary in a conversation like this. It's merely about being punished by a justice system or not. That's it. If there is no afterlife, and that's what I am assuming here, then if someone is an asshole (and again, we needn't define these terms for this type of discussion) and does without getting punished by society then they have beaten the system and such is life.
I can answer the first question and turn it back on religion. The Big Bang theory actually states that all matter was condensed into a single point, not that it created matter. The basic laws of physics confirm this; matter can't be destroyed or created.
On that note, what did God make the world out of? The Bible is extremely vague on this topic, but I suspect the answer is nothing. How do you make something from nothing?
I wish there was more people like you on this planet, great work keep it up! I couldn't agree with you more.
This basically comes down to "We don't have enough information to form a reliable answer to this question - but why haven't you made one up? I don't like the fact you don't have an answer..."
how did god come to exists? if you believe he just existed before he created the world then why is it so hard to believe that "matter" and being always existed
does no one ever think that nothing exists, and we are just imaginary holograms?
Obviously, at least 1 thing exists or we would not be here to talk about it & nearly as obvious, it is at least 2 things. Things might not be exactly what we perceive them to be. We might be in an artificial simulation or maybe only I exist & I created all this to keep from feeling lonely & bored. I certainly know that I exist or I could not be talking about it & no matter how philosophical & abstract we get, it seems there must be something I am interacting with tho I & the world may not actually be as I perceive. It is good to think about & realize the possibilities yet until I know for certain, I must live in THIS world as it is.
Thats what Indian philosophy I guess... in fact thats a possibility... try to read about Boltzman Brains.
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In fact ancient Indian philosophers [advaita/non-dual philosophers] thought that its only I who exists.. a pure formless impersonal consciosness.. no God nothing just ego-lesss I... and I think of the universe and I am trapped in my own imagination .. in the form of infinitely many different beings... I think thats quite possible you know... but I prefer not to believe anything blindly... but this philosophy is not nonsense... in fact the Boltzman Brain theory is quite similar to that...
i prefer, when we are awake we are actually dreaming and whilst we think we are asleep, our dreams are reality
what is your accent, I hear Australian or New Zealand, and American, and maybe British? I don't know.
Questions for believers: so many I can't even be bothered to put them down.
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Karma isnt stupid, the actual REAL eastern understanding of karma is cause and effect. It has been sort of twisted here in the west.
So the world you see around you is guided on some level by karma? So, how do you compare an infant that dies young and a man that lives to an old age by stepping on people all his life? There are inequalities in life, that's a fact. Karma is only one step removed from Christianity in that it assumes everything gets balanced out in the end. I look around and I don't see that at all. I see poor battered wives living in misery, I see beaten children scared to come home at night, I see people killing on a dare... and across town I see people born with a silver spoon in their mouths who think they're intrinsically better than the poor, who they see as soaking off the system and cutting into their profits. Men who drive around in fancy cars and live to ripe old ages sipping expensive drinks on beaches and never having a worry in the world. There are inequalities. Karma doesn't exist in reality anymore than Christianity does; only in the minds of those convinced of them.
Eric Gorall ya umm you are proving my point. You are talking about the western/pop culture view of karma not what buddhist karma actually is. Before you go on a rant please do some actual research.
Shane Goguen I have looked into it. I admit I'm not an expert of it though. My understanding is that karma is a balancing system, that if it doesn't balance it in this life it seeks to do it in the next and where you go is partially determined by it.
Its not. It has nothing to do with the outside world karma is all about thought and consciousness. Neg karma could be an emotion like anger. Anger is the "effect" but the cause could be because your boss is a jerk. But he is only a jerk because he is behaving in a way you don't like. You, however, are also the cause because you cannot accept the simple fact that you can't control him and that's what makes you angry. If you are aware that the world and other peoples minds are always changing and the only thing you can control is your own mind you will quickly change your anger. You will then not go home and yell at your wife and continue the spiral. You dig? Karma is positive and negative weights on you and you alone and is always in flux. The better your karma the more at peace and therefore happy. This is why the Buddhist statues always have a smile.
Eric Gorall What about psychological torment? Abuse, depression, and hereditary mental illness? Being a social elite doesn't make anyone immune to that. The truth is, there's more to "suffering" than the lack of financial/material resources. Rich people don't have to worry? They worry about not being able to outlast their competitors and thus unable to maintain their wealth. They worry about not being able to surpass others in grandeur and accomplishments. Some are such over-achievers that they commit suicide over minor failures in their careers. Human greed is infinite. As a result, people are discontent no matter how much they already have. The ultimate curse of humanity - what we desire the MOST is the one thing that we DON'T have, and what we take for granted will one day be lost. To sum it up: greed and impermanence inflict pain on all of us, regardless of social class. We all suffer equally, but in different ways.
There was nothing I disagreed with and to be honest, there was quite a bit I was jealous of. I wish I had been as level-headed as you are when I was your age. I went through so much questioning and ugly times because I wanted to believe in a religion that made sense of it all. But it made no sense at all! I kept trying to make it fix the questions I had when I kept finding more and more flaws.
I am specifically thankful that you were very polite and considerate in your responses. I think that's a superpower that I don't possess but would dearly love to. Love the video and appreciate what you are saying and the way you are saying it.
It's very nice to find younger people who are thinking critically
I wouldn't really say that dying earlier would be the worst thing that could happen to them.... But I like the way you are explaining this to everyone :)
If something didn't come from nothing then where did God, who is claimed to be something, come from?
just a question for religious people ; if your god is great and mighty , why did't he(or she) make one unique religion for all humans , why do we have so many different religions which does not approve of other religions (if not detesting each other)?
btw i know whatever religion you have , you think it's the best (the only) true religion . don't you ? how can all religions be the best ? confused :/
Holy shit what a blast from the past! One of the first videos I saw when I was deep in the anti-theist/skeptic youtube back in the day! Wow!
Why on earth would a divine being need the security of people believing in his existence? A mature human being wouldn't worry about that, so why would a presumably wise deity?
That is something I never understood. According to the bible, a horrible person can go to heaven as long as he believes Jesus died for their sins but a really good person could go to hell just for not believing. How is god a just god? Seems kinda petty to me. Where's the justice?
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No justice at all- it;s just demented thinking.
"Better safe than sorry" means that Christians too are in doubt which means they'll go to hell. With god you have to be 100% sure . Carnivores kill innocent herbivores and get away with it everyday very easily, so every cruel person can get away with anything. The pain that a chicken feels when its head is being cut off is no different from the pain that you'd feel if the same thing was done to you, so why do you only speak for humans and not animals. There is neither a beginning nor an ending, time will always be there. the universe and time are infinite so we can't really know where stuff came from and why it decided to show up now and not earlier/later. I'm not an atheist but the stories in the bible sound like fairy tales. You must also understand that atheists don't hate god, all they want is proof .
The cartoon version of you in darkmatter's video does not do you justice, he must have had a voice actor. If not, then he used sound bytes that did not reflect the fluid tones of the sound of your voice. I will see to it that others have a listen.
I first watched this video 12 years ago, I wonder what happened to you. I hope you are doing well.
What happened to her؟where is she؟
Here is a question for all those who believe..."nothing moves faster than light...if this is true at the big bang how come the universe was created in a split second?" It had to move faster than light!! The question of who created God is the ancient civilisations created a being to keep their children in chech, and finally if Jesus rose from he's tomb after his crucifixion what happened next and why is the bible written by people that never actually meet Jesus... it's all hear say, it wouldn't stand up in a court today...I don't believe in jesus...THANK GOD!!!
alright, here's a question.. i'm not gonna ask who created the world it is now..
i'm gonna ask a different question.. Here we go
1: If God is all knowing, why does He created us when He knows that our kind will create violence and war?
2: If God is almighty, why does He needs us? He can just erase everyone from the face of the earth and there will be no sins and the Devil will have no one to punished in hell..
3: Finally, if He is all knowing, why do we have to stay on earth? He should Know if we're good or bad. He might as well throw us straight in hell or heaven, or erase us entirely.
Just so you know, i'm a believer of god, its just that this question has been bugging me for years.. and don't tell me 'god will guide me' or something like that..
but like i said, if god is all knowing, He should know who are the good and who are the bad.. in this case, He can separate us as soon as we were born..
I firmly believe that too many people, all too often, simply lack the wisdom and humility to just admit: "I don't know".
Good measured responses. I enjoyed these questions. I think 'pray' is a word for directed 'hope'. All prayer is, 'hope' at least to me - an atheist.
Wow. Beautiful and intelligent. That's a rare combination.
Beauty will be rare if you are picky. Its a matter of opinion.
I'm not sure what was unclear about my post.
+DAVID veilleux Beauty and intellegence are both a matter of opinion. If some one would think that ugly woman are beautiful and that dumb woman are intellegent, then it won't be rare to him to find woman who are 'beautiful and intellegent'. But you presented your opinion as if its a fact. Its not a fact for I don't think she is beautiful not do I think she is intellegent.
Intelligence is a quantifiable, measurable property.
And while you are entitled to your own opinion about things that are subjective (such as beauty) it speaks to your character that you chose to say something negative about another human being rather than just remain silent. That says a lot more about you than it does her.
@@mehmetcoban2886 Intelligence is not a matter of opinion, and you have clearly demonstrated your lack of it.
The way I like to explain this whole heaven and hell thing is to think of it like this. Lets say that you created this child and you loved this child, but this child has never met you. Now, all these people have told your child all of these crazy illogical stories about you and told your child that you where his mother/father, and your child simply decided not to believe these people who lie and make up stories. Would you make that child that you love suffer for an eternity in a firery damnation? Makes no sense.
Anyone knows where is she right now?why is she not making videos anymore?
My wife was a atheist and was brutally murdered by a believer ,
I ask a Christian where she thought both went? She said both to hell and laughed out loud
It seems that atheism is only for the blessed ones . *sarcasm of*
I personally don't even want to talk with believers or be around them , because I cant help feeling superior .
To me there nothing else but degenerate remains of our effort to search for reason , but its 2013 now and I get the feeling that if people willingly believe in a deity they are just plain stupid .
I don't understand how can you explain Big Bang with god?God is not needed to explain anything.
I thought some of your responses could have been a bit more to the point, but good job overall nonetheless. You are articulate and intelligent, and enthusiastic without being histrionic. You also have a pleasing voice, clear diction and good pacing.
How can you decide what is moral in order to conduct yourself morally without the presence of a divine being to tell you what is right and wrong? Not trying to start a debate, just curios.
morality does not come from a divine being.
+TheWaggishAmerican Morality is subjective, not objective.
God created the universe. How? HOW? Where does/did his ability come from? Where did he come from?
There are people who have raped and/or killed and gotten away with it. To assume that God must exist to balance the scales isn't a great reason to believe in a god. That's like people converting to some religion because they won the lottery or had a brush with death. If you don't need a god in the ordinary times, you don't need one in the extraordinary times either.
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That's a good point. They think they are absolved of wrong doing simply by believing. Now what does THAT do to a moral compass?
Codex1 Yes. If I do something wrong to someone, I should do what I can to make it right with them & vice versa if someone wrongs me. If someone does something wrong to me, it does me no good at all for some stupid god to forgive them or for them to go to hell.
Actually agreed with all of your answers, and I loved the part where you called god a pushover and then did this kind of momentary pause shrug thing. haha I think theists are funny, and I welcome every question that they have to offer. Really, it was once upon a time that I was a theist and an Atheist's hard line of questions for me, in a civil discussion, happened to set my mental hamster on a bit of a trot in its wheel. So, these were all very good responses. :)
This person is a logical, intelligent and simply wonderful. Thank you.
This doesn't have anything to do with the video, but your eyes are so pretty. ^_^
I disagree with you, bad people can get away with it. Life is unjust, It is not perfect, it is not fair. We have got to admit that. Let's not be blind.
That's sad but imagining that bad people rot in hell doesn't change anything in the harm they did.
You can believe or not believe, this won't change anything to the reality. Let's stop hiding in illusions.
am I a terrible person for just saying "i don't really know anything about our origins, but tbh I don't really care if we never find out?"
Congratulations. You have just been promoted to one of my favourite persons. :) Right up there with Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss.
You may consider getting rid of the spelling error in the fourth question as it is written on the screen. 'Prey' instead of 'Pray' does invoke some wrong ideas. ;)
Mo Fahmi Wow how much dishonesty in two paragraphs, you totally took what it is to have faith and reversed it. To me that's tell of a total lack of confidence in your own faith, you comment on the lack of thinking funny that's the core basis of faith.
Did you feel real big and cleaver about yourself when you came up with the childish retort of "Science of the gaps" that shows total desperation.
Can something come from nothing? Isn't that the religious position? There was nothing. Void. Then there was everything. Sounds like a universe from nothing to me.
There is another problem. There is no proof that "nothing" can exist. That there has ever been a condition of nothingness. On top of that, "nothing" has not been defined.
"nothing is what a rock dreams about" -Aristotle // Nothing is literally "no thing" therefore nobody can measure nothing since the person's existence itself is against the idea of nothingness.
Christopher Williams No one has ever demonstrated that it is possible to have nothing extant..... a complete void. Can you show that it is even possible to have a "notthing"? It is strictly a human construct at this time. Like a hypotenuse. Or pi. Or infinity.
Nothing is a human construct? Oh you mean like god?
bagginsthemighty Yep. Or Pi. Or the radical sign. Or infinity.
I FOUND YOUR VIDEO VERY INTERESTING , I LIKE THE WAY YOU PRESENTED , I BEEN SEARCHING ON THE SAME TOPIC FOR A WHILE , IN FACT THE OTHER DAY MY SON AND ME WERE BOARDING THE VERY SAME THING ... I THINK MY SON WILL BE REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS SUBJECT, I WILL PAST THIS VIDEO TO HIM , YOU KNOW ? I WAS RACED AS CATHOLIC , THEN BECAME A CHRISTIAN , BUT NEVER HAPPY WHEN THINGS JUST DIDN'T ADD UP ....HAVE A QUESTION DO YOU HAVE A PAGE ON FACEBOOK ? WHERE WE CAN FOLLOW ? THANKS.
You were raced as a Catholic? What, did you have a priest on your back whipping you mercilessly, screaming "faster, boy, faster!"? Hee hee...
1. Do atheists think that something can be created out of nothing? (this is a very loaded question that I get all the time) -I don't know enough about astrophysics to answer about the big bang. This is a question I like to turn back on theists since God supposedly came from nothing and creates from nothing.
2. What do you think will happen to people who kill and torture others? - We try to bring these people to justice, don't always succeed. As far as after they are dead?.. nothing happens, since they most likely cease to exist like everyone else who dies.
3. How do atheists deal with the uncertainty that they might go to hell?- Why would I worry about something that almost certainly doesn't exist?
4. If you don't pray, what do you do when you go through a difficult situation that you can do nothing about?-- Depends on the person. I tend to do my best to improve things, if I can really do nothing then I just move on. Worrying about things I can't change does nothing positive.
you answered about sadam and hitler but what about gandi of india who was the founder of non violence movement in india but still shot by someone.there fore your idea that bad people get punishment in this world,i can give you hundreds of examples that bad people like sadam and hitler died normally and get away and nothing bad happen to them,for example gangaz khan and qublai khan in the history ,the killed thousands of people and ruled and enjoyed and died normally but the people like gandi who never harm anyone ,the also killed and tortured by someone in history
Nobodies gonna believe you when you cant spell a single one of the names correctly of the people in whom youve mentioned.
concentrate on my massage ,not the spelling ,spelling of the names never important in history.
Gandhi was a horrible person and it's not known how Genghis Khan died. So those are both bad examples.
i am not the lawyer of gandhi but atleast he was the founder of non violence movement but still killed by violence and genghis khan was never killed by any one
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Philosophies of non-violence existed way before Gandhi. He didn't found anything. And he didn't even fully believe it anyway. He was a hypocrite with regards to non-violence so his non-violence amounts to nothing. He supported non-violence when it suited him and justified violence when it suited him. He was bitterly racist against Africans and was overjoyed when they were getting slaughtered by the British colonialists in their attack on the Zulus. And he even went so far as to criticize the British for not letting the Indians also join in with the slaughter. Then when he finally convinced them to let Indians play a role in the effort, he expressed his utter disappointment at it being an exclusively non-violent role for them. He longed for his fellow Indians to pick up a rifle and taste blood.
And as I said, it's not known how Genghis Khan died so you don't get to claim knowledge of him not being killed by anyone.
where do the rapist and murderers go who repent in jail imagine the rapist murderer meeting his victims in heaven or if the victim was atheist and went to hell and yet the murderer goes to heaven is god just and merciful in the last situation
hawklord2001 nothing really to worry about at all but people who believe in a god or gods who speak of them as merciful gods who love and care yet punish the wicked tend to not be on the same page with each other on such questions which exposes how the undeniable obvious truth is not as black and white as the text leads them to believe causing a person to think which is honestly kryptonite to religious mindsets. we are people human beings have the ability and the need to be better if i can forgive an ex con for their terrible acts as they try to be better than i am kinder and more merciful then a all powerful god and his followers who damn a person for eternity and call it love
For those that find themselves in hopeless situations and start to pray, ask yourself the following question: What do you prefer when a pilot of the plane you are in is in a hopeless situations
1) He stops thinking and start to pray hoping god will save the plane.
2) He tries to deal with the situation to save the plane.
I like the fact that you are actually giving your own answers to these questions its mostly just the top arguments of apologists. You should check out Matt Dillahunty if you havent already he delves deeper into some of the doctrines and etc i think you would enjoy his videos.
You're wrong on many of your points on religion. And I am not saying that from my personal beliefs but from what the religion itself states. For one, you talk about being a good moral person. But i'm sure you would admit despite that you aren't perfect and you will make wrong choices, hurt people both intentionally out of anger and frusteration and out of just making a bad decision. So when you are judged against true perfection nothing you can do will make you a good person. Yes belief does factor majorly into it. God can't forgive someone who doesn't believe he exists to forgive them in the first place. And there are also many who believe simply that God exists that will not go to heaven because they didn't bother to put the effort into living up to that belief. As far as hell goes. Many will say that is debatable. For the fallen angels and satan hell is described as the typical burning lake of fire everyone thinks of. But when used in reference to human souls it is simply a separation from God. So what exactly that means is up to debate.
My problem is this. Science and evolution is nothing more than a religion. You may ask how I can say that. And I can say it because much of what you think of as science fact hasn't actually been proven, and can't be proven. People simply believe that over religion. Same as even within religion there are many religions that people choose one over the other. What I have seen of science believers, they basically take what they were taught in highschool and college, believe it without question, and ignore or debunk anything that shows it's flaws and misconceptions. It's no different with religious people they act the same way about anything that doesn't fit in with their belief system. So the honest truth is that people will believe what ever makes them the most comfortable despite of any real provable evidence. For example the experiments that showed single celled life could come from the right conditions. People quote that as proof of evolution. They forget those experiments were carried out by intelligent beings under controlled circumstances with the purpose of getting the result they wanted. To me that doesn't seem like proof of anything since the experiment was tailored by intelligent control to get the results they desired. Intelligence and intention was a factor in the experiment simply because it was carried out by intelligence with the intention of a desired result. So to me that proves that life could not be here without the same conditions, an intelligence with a desired result. The only thing you say that I can agree on is that neither concept really explains how or why we are here. The big bang started when sumatomic particles spontaneously collapsed into atomic matter. Well what put the sub atomic particles there..That is the same question as where did God come from, and both beliefs explain that the same way. They were always there. So neither belief really explains anything at all. The only difference is religion has faith where as science has believed proof. However with religion the faith is the same, but in science every 20-30 years the believed proof changes. In 1920 no one believed space travel was possible. In the 1980's ideas like parallel universes were science fiction. Now it's considered science fact. That is my main problem with science If facts were facts then they would never change. But the science facts keep changing. So to me they aren't facts. They aren't proof of anything but an interpretation of an observation. People observe the reality they are in and as decades and generations go by the interpretation of that observation changes. But in the end these science facts are no more provable than you can prove God. I see flaws and holes in both interpretations of reality both religious and scientific. But call it ego or call it wishful thinking but to me I choose to believe that I am more than just a chemical reaction and a biological robot. Most people religious or not also feels they are more than that. The question is why? Why do we even have this idea that we are what we are? That we are somehow special, I suppose it's partially from observation. We see that we are obviously different than animals. Smarter, more creative more technical. But it doesn't explain why. Nothing explains why. So at the end of the day people believe what they want and actual facts don't have much sway on that. There are just as many observations that show evolution is wrong as there is a lack of evidence in God as many would say. However i would pose those to do their research because many many of the biblical events in the bible left evidence which has been found and documened. The only problem is that main stream science isn't interpreting it that way, and if they have no interpretation for it, then they ignore it. I would pose to you to watch some of Johnathan Gray's documentaries and the evidence of biblical events that he has found. Maybe one day the truth will be known. but I doubt there will be any 'i told you so's" from either side. I personally get the impression if the real truth was revealed both sides religious and scientific would be too shocked at how much they got wrong to even speak.
you do realize that the internet and your device which you used to type this message is based on the very same science fundamentals that is also used to prove other things such as carbon dating. which states that the universe is much older than 6000 years and the list goes on and on.
Do you realize that is irrelivant to the point I was making? What makes people think that it's either God or science but both can't exist at the same time? You can't prove or disprove that the reason things work the way they do is because they were designed to work that way. People seem to think of God as some magic hocus pocus. It never dawns on you that God knows more about science than any scientist on earth because he designed it all. So science isn't discovering something God doesn't already know. The mentality you people have toward science is the same way people look at their religions. So science is your religion. Fine do what ever makes you happy. But consider this. Even the most simple single celled organism under a microscope turns out to be highly complex inside. That itself disproves evolution simply because even the simplest life is still too complex to have randomly happened Nor could they have evolved from a simpler single celled organism because there is no evidence of anything with a simpler design. Even though it may only be a single cell but it is no less complex than a multicellular organism. Not to mention that not even controlled lab conditions has gotten the result of changing one species into another. Biologists will even admit this, that there seems to be a barrier of how much a species can change and once you reach that barrier usually the species will begin to revert backwards instead of moving forward and mutating into another species. So if scientists can't do it under controled lab conditions where everything is pushing for a particular result, what makes you think that it could happen naturally by accident. Also keep in mind lab controlled experiemnts to force a species to evolve doesn't prove it could happen naturally since it took intelligent control in a lab to make it happen. That actually proves the theory of intelligent design, not evolution. And as a matter of a fact, people need to do their research because today's evolution is actually nothing like darwin's original theory. Modern science has took the idea and ran with it, so now our evolution isn't darwin's evolution.
No my point is not to disprove god. my point is science disproves the book of genesis. I think if Christians were to be open minded and say that a book written thousands of years ago might have interpretation mistakes. scientists would have less of a problem with it. Do i believe there is a god? maybe? very likely? Do i believe in any of the written materials from any religion? no
scientists states that evolution occurred through millions of years you know that right? how do you expect that to happen within a lab?
I don't expect it to happen. But their theory is using life forms who have short lives they can simulate the effect of thousands of generations passing in what to us is a realitively short time. This is how they are trying to prove things can evolve into other things but they have never gotten it to happen. Not randomly and not intentionally. So this isn't an issue about me thinking they can do it in a lab. Because I don't. I don't believe it happens in reality or the lab. But they believe they can do it otherwise they wouldn't waste so much money trying. As far as millions of years. Crocodiles have been here for millions of years and the only thing that changed about them was their size, which is not evolution no matter how you cut it. I see more evidence of intelligent design. So that's what I believe because that's how i interpret the evidence. Of course that is why these types of debates always end up in a stalemate and with a lot of people mad and just going straight to insulting each other when they can't prove anything. The same piece of evidence can be interpreted differently by different people. So proof is really just popular interpretation.