The ULTIMATE Email Tier List (Based Tier to Botnet Tier)
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- These days, it's pretty hard to find an actually good email service. Maybe you don't want an e-mail address that can read through all your email to sell your data to advertisers. Maybe you don't want an email that will rat you out to the government. But are there any good, usable, cheap, and privacy-respecting emails still out there? In this video, I'm going to finally rank the best and worst email providers of all time...
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0:00 Intro
2:13 Disroot
5:33 Fastmail
7:22 Gmail
9:16 mailbox.org
12:14 Mailfence
14:06 Outlook
15:49 Posteo
17:58 ProtonMail
22:45 Self-hosting
26:12 Skiff
30:34 Startmail
32:35 Tutanota
35:28 Yahoo!
36:59 My recommendation - Věda a technologie
"I just want my emails read by me and maybe the person I send it to" we even doubting the recipient now
*sends email to some random email with sone info instead of writing down that info somwhere else*
i'm glad someone else reacted to that comment. i don't know why but it had me roaring with laughter so loud that everyone in the house wanted to know what was wrong with me.
In the realm of OpenPGP encryption, the ideal scenario is where even the sender can't decipher the contents of the transmitted package - that's the hallmark of a successful end-to-end encryption (E2EE), at least the asymmetrical-only E2EE.
I like that "maybe". If you drop that requirement you can get a *lot* more secure. 😂
Dear John,
I hope this email does not find you.
you should do a Mobile web browser tier list
Not a bad idea. Maybe in the future
How about android distro tier list (custom roms)
kiwi is the best
Also, IM apps would be 🔥
Firefox Nightly, it has extensions and about:config support meaning mobile hardening support. Also sync with desktop is always useful.
Skiff just announced they are going to shut down their services for ever
and i was ready to make a new account :(
Wait, this is how I find out about this? WTF Skiff! OMG!
Wow, their generous offer didn't last for long.
"I want my emails to be read by me and *maybe* the person i am sending it to"
I forgot how email worked for a second there
@@EricMurphyxyz😂
WOW, are you spying on me or what? After 4+ years of using Gmail, I decided I wanted to switch just a week ago!
Maybe it's gmail who's spying on you and this is why you got this video recommended.
😂😂
@@MarcCastellsBallesta scary 😲
Fun fact: now, I don't get recommendations on the homepage anymore AT ALL, because i have the watch history turned off
Having private mail is, in my country, required by law. But only snail mail, not e-mail. Shows how old laws are.
every country on this great green earth does lawful interception, even Switzerland
This didn’t age well - trusting skiff with its venture capital was terrible
Right, Proton mail in S tier makes no sense now
@@Dread_Pirate_Roberts_2013 why is that?
Just found you channel a couple of days ago and you convinced me to finally ditch Chrome for LibreWolf. Great content mate, thanks, new sub earned!
Thanks, appreciate it!
You can also turn off the telemetry in about:config. Speeds up your browser a lot.
I too just ditched Chrome for LibreWolf after watching these videos and I love it already. Can't believe I didn't do it sooner.
you should do a VPN tier list
Will probably do one in the future
AirVPN is proper. Used Mullvad before but they dropped port forward. VPN tier list is a good idea.
Will that also include self hosted VPN or Tor?
@@ObjectPresents self hosted vpn is good for using your homelab services from outside your home
it definitely should, and maybe include I2P and yggdrasil too, if it's not too offtopic :) @@ObjectPresents
This is super informative and I think the tier lists you do are great because they're really easy to watch. The chapters are really nice too
Aaaaaaand it's gone (Skiff).
I've been very happily using Posteo for couple of years now. I really love their transparency. And them being an nature-friendly email client the small things they do accordingly, like working on minimizing server loads, not bothering by spam (by just blocking them, not marking). I love that they show their Javascript licenses and other small small things.
Posteo is a very good option, I like them too
I do not like them as an email sender, because their spam filter had been over-cautious with blocking email from custom domains not used by the big providers... As a developer of an app that uses email for password reset and some notification systems, thats not exactly a good thing.
To my knowledge, I haven’t had so much as a hint of trouble from Posteo in the several years I’ve been a customer (with my “primary” email address). I’m in the US, if it matters.
The problem is that I have like 10 GMail accounts. Based on the amount of emails I have, it would cost me 45 EUROS a month(and I would have to pay 540 EUROS IN ADVANCE) just for email. You can't get people to switch off GMail(which is free btw) if it costs them ANY money. People who are struggling for money do not need to be milked for money. At least if your data is milked you can still pay rent.
Hey! I stumbled upon your channel through the web browser video and I've been looking forward for your privacy tier lists so I can get the most private online experience yet!
Thank you for all the elaborations
Personally I'd love to see these vids :
Best private phone tier list
Best private custom rom ( that works with the phone previously mentioned) tier list
Best password manager tier list
best windows 10 and 11 custom ISOs would be awesome steam is forcing me to install that junk and its lolonger jus ta simple boot to USB and install its now doing all this bullshit shouldent have to do!
Phones by definition can't be private
Thanks for making such honest and straight-forward tierlist videos. They're helpful, and hard to come by.
Just wanted to say thank you for your tier lists on private browsers, search engines, and now email clients. They've all been very helpful!
Yahoo needs to be in a category BELOW Botnet Tier 💀 The other two at least come with a few gigs of cloud storage for your non-sensitive documents.
blud, yahoo has 1TB of FREEEEE storage
World record breaches aside, yahoo isn't that bad service-wise. You can actually turn off targeted ads and user data being sold among other privacy related features. It is of course not obvious to find but it is possible. Still wouldn't use them if privacy is even remotely a concern however. But! the threat of breaches really keep you on your toes and maintain a good habit of changing your password frequently!
I've been searching for this and then waiting for this from you for so long :D thanks! great tire list as always and thanks for rising awareness about how important privacy is online nowadays
Thanks so much for the support! I'm one of the Skiff founders. Appreciate the feedback and review.
Thanks for making a great product!
Please know that your decision to copy gmail UI is stupid as fuck. Combining emails to some kind of endless chats is the sole reason I switched from gmail, I don't even care for their privacy policy that much.
@@EricMurphyxyz well this aged like milk
@@zeeweenorwhat happened?
@@zeeweenor yeah what happened?
1. I stumbled upon your content, while searching for cyber-related stuff in audiovisual tierlist format. Gotta say- your content is truly an excellent mixture of educational and comprehensible. You and your art are appreciated.
2. I’d like to see you make a «RSS Feed Reader Tier List»
3. Could you create a playlist here, which includes your tierlists only?
"skiff lasting awhile"... is 9 months awhile? They've been acquired by Notion.
How this channel doesn't have millions of subscribers yet is beyond me. Great analysis with in-depth research, even covering news, technologies and all! Thanks for making them understandable to not very techy individuals in this field like me. Anyways i subscribed! Awesome content man!
Really appreciate it!
This channel doesn't have millions of subscribers yet because he put the Gmail on the last tier on google CZcams platform 🤣
Thanks for the thorough review. Bonus points for the Yahoo roasting at the end *sizzle*
Just found your channel through a few older videos and when browsing your channel i saw you had uploaded 55 seconds ago😅
Very helpful video. I started becoming more aware of my privacy on the Internet thanks to your privacy centric videos. After being a long time user of Chrome and gmail, i finally switched to Firefox Hardened and Protonmail. Well actually, almost fully switched to Protonmail. I still use Gmail only for CZcams 😅
Awesome video Eric, I as a long time gmail user really appreciate all your knowledge on this.
Hi Eric! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
On Disroot, giving your information to ideologue activists is just as bad an idea as giving it to anyone else, regardless of what side of the aisle you personally sit on. I've seen it repeatedly that someone falls out of lockstep once, and the cult will turn on them, and considering they don't encrypt anything, it's foolish, to me, to take that chance. As such, Mediocre Tier.
if thats true then their activism is only virtue signaling. Encryption should be the minimum not the exception.
I found this channel today and fell in love with it. thank you thank you
Signed up for Skiff like a month ago. Willing to stay supporting it.
Skiff based in US making it a NO GO in the most intrusive and invasive spying country on earth....
yep now it's shutting down
Thank you so much. Great analysis, very helpful
Host your own. Trust nobody.
It's more work, but worth it.
Completely unrelated to privacy but the dog in the photo of the disroot site is Loukanikos, the famous Greek "riot dog" that was with us at every rally, he passed away about 10 years ago and seeing him made me very emotional.
The problem I have with switching email providers is that at this point, I have hundreds of individuals and companies that have my gmail account. Switch to another account is daunting. I still do have a yahoo account but it is for random sites that I highly suspect will collect my private information. I rarely even check it.
If you were using proton mail, you can forward your Gmail to proton and then when you respond to your friends or business associates, you respond via proton and tell them within the email to use the new email address going forward.
"Do you think AI is going to take over the world? Asking for a friend"
Love your tier-videos, keep up the good work =) What do you think about making annual updates? After all, things change sometimes XD
Only real downside to Skiff mail is that it is based in the USA which is under all the 5 eyes 9 eyes and 14 eyes for government surveillance
I have been wanting to switch away from Gmail for years but the process of switching everything over to a new email has always put me off. Maybe there's an easy way that I simply don't know about.
Protonmail and Skiff have an easy import from Gmail. After that, the only hard part is letting everyone know you have a new email address
@@EricMurphyxyz Thank you for letting me know. Those 2 are the alternatives I am considering, ironically. I will try this out soon.
I did it with 350+ accounts last year, just keep it doing and you will finish it! Rolling everithing into a password manager, what can handle labels/folders/tags makes it easy to track what is where! Also you can cut off your data (depending on the events) from databreaches too.
Also keeping the gmail after all, just to check in yearly can be good practice to see, if you forgot an account, or forgot to tell someone your address change.
i might switch for gmail to proton in the coming months. seeing theres family plan might do that some time in the spring to help the family :)
wow dude, great work make more videos like this, I would to know more how I can be more private/secure on internet, its better than nothing. and not to be a product for such ads companies which uses all user data to give ads, train ai model, send it to government etc.
This video made AOL, Zoho and Yandex feel special. 😅 But you cant get them all. I remember using the likes of Netzero, Juno, Bluehost and Earthlink to name a few. Thanks for another great video.
Yandex is botnet tier though
@@AndreyLebedintsev But if you don't live in Russia it should be fine. Use the botnet of the enemy.
@@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer But then it's just spyware.
I want an AOL email address for the 90s cred. :(
Skiff was sold to Notion.
No, SKIFF Why
great video! was looking forward to seeing something for this topic :)
Hope your channel gets more views that it deserves. Awesome video. Thanks!
Thanks for making a video on this and tips especially if some email applications are more for niche software engineers or more for those who are open source, I'd rather take an approach to privacy
I really like those type of videos and earlier today i was asking myself if you made this exact video ro my surprise it just released
Great and super informative vid, well done, straight up no BS as always. 👏🙌
Gmail wants my phone#. Does Yahoo?
Talking about privacy when it comes to email seems very moot. 99% of the people you email will probably use gmail, yahoo or msft. It takes 2 to be private.
Dude your content is amazing, you earned a sub!
One thing I'd like to note, Proton have to ability to read your emails as they're being sent or received. Especially if its to a non-proton mail account. They have the encryption keys. Regardless of what their policies are and what privacy statements they make, you're still having to put trust in a company. It's no longer about finding a privacy first based service. It's about finding the lesser one of many evils.
Great video as always! Have you made a tier list on messenger apps yet?
To all the people saying "I don't trust Proton": If you run a digital service business that handles customer data (email, eshop, ghost kitchen, date app etc), you *have* to comply with the government by law. Tutanota and every other email provider complies as well, Proton is just being transparent about it and that's a good thing; you know exactly what you're signing up for. I don't know why people ended up assuming Proton willingly goes out of their way to shill for the government.
This DOES NOT excuse their marketing WHATSOEVER. They make it sound like they dont log anything, which is bs.
@@themasterofdisastr1226 "make it sound" and "actually market it like so" is one big ass interpretation away by people who binge on outrage. Everybody logs something along the way, be it encrypted user tokens like Signal or static IP addresses (which mean absolutely nothing) like ProtonMail.
Bruh, they only became 'transparent' after the fiasco with french government. Go on, shill for the liar company.
This
@@themasterofdisastr1226source?
They also Said if the one person you're talking about (used a VPN) it would of been no issue.
Its Bad OPSEC not bad service
I love your tier list ! Thanks man !
Maybe with cloud storage ?
Great tier list and great work (as of today). Now, I know I'm going to sound as an idiot but, what are your thoughts on iCloud Mail...? I'm barely getting into being privacy aware. Thanks in advance.
37:00 Conclusion for you based boyos.
Excellent video. Good info.
Love the content, can you also do authenticator app tier list? 👀
I am So happy you make this video
The Proton Mail controversy is really stupid, the only activist's information that Proton gave to the feds was an IP address, it's very similar to when Signal gave phone numbers and registration dates of a few users to the feds. But unlike a phone number, an IP address doesn't really mean anything and rebooting your router makes the old address completely useless.
It was definitely made to be way bigger of a deal than it actually was. I think most people just read the headline and just immediately thought Proton = bad
if you have a static ip rebooting the router will do nothing
Wouldnt the ISP have the DNS records related to that IP though? Or have an identifier to the person who had the IP amongst their customers?
I mean, if you are committing acts that will get the alphabet boys on your case, you shouldn't be doing so from an IP address that can be easily traced back to you period.
@@SquirtleHermit This. I failed to mention this in my comment but it's very true
Interesting list - email is definitely one of these archaic technologies that we can't manage to shake off. Dumb take, but I can't remember the last time I wrote an email in my personal account. Realistically I only write academic/work-related emails from my organization's domain. I feel like, for most people, personal email is only really used for automated communications (stores, bills, banks, online services, etc). Given that these kind of communications contain a lot of private identifiable information (even more than chats in my opinion), it's a shame that email is becoming more and more centralized.
Great video man, maybe next you could do a cloud storage tierlist like gdrive, terabox, etc..
pcloud is good
I've been waiting for this video let's gooo
Posteo, paranoid, disroot, elude, riseup.
Phone companies tier list
They're all F tier lol
Loved all three of these videos, subscribed to proton mail and am in the process of syncing my files to the drive and moving all my important stuff to my proton email. Could you please do a video on passwords managers and also replacements for google docs/sheets/slides. I love proton drive so far but there are no replacements for these services so if I have, for example, a rich text document backed up to my proton drive and I want to access it on my phone, I have to upload it to docs to access it, which kind of defeats the purpose of a secure drive service. Keep up the great work, love what you're doing!
"they use their own encryption" = they use encryption that has very little real world testing.
"Cryptography is harder than it looks." - bruce schneier
also.. if only receivers on their system can receive the so-called encrypted emails, what proof is there it was encrypted at all? Couldn't they just transport it plaintext, set some "decryptied" header text on the recipient and call it a day?
This is a great tier list.
I don’t trust Proton and prefer Tutanota, but I totally get why Proton is the best for Grandma.
Great video
is Tutanota worth it? i think i might want to use more encrypted process of email but i really don't have much to email with
@@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanzaI've been paying for tuta for about 7 months now, the ability to create another email within 5 clicks is really good for burner accounts and the website/app are nice.
@@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza Encryption works only from Tutanota to Tutanota emails its a gimmick. Some people have problems with passwords. Me included. After using Tutanota for months my password stopped working. Even if you make account they might delete it after few days. You cant use one time emails registering with Tutanota. With Proton no problems. Proton account gives you access to other services. I dont trust Proton too but it works for me.
I can't use either one, I really need the email forwarding feature and proton refuse to implement it. (And tutanota's is locked behind a paywall).
Tutanota is based in Germany where they barely have freedom of speech and where they also try to ban one of the largest political parties, sorry but I'd rather trust Proton and the Swiss laws, which are great by the way. Germany can change their minds regarding their laws tomorrow and make them even stricter than they already are today.
If you use Proton mail or Tutanota because of the privacy .... please note, if you send email to something like gmail you still have no privacy.
Thank you for these videos! By the way, what do you think about preveil?
Thanks for this video!
skiff shut down lol
😢 I still use it
@@brennanlaurent4748 bro migrate, in August they will completely stop it, but mail forwarding will work till 2025
Thank you Eric!
Greetings from Germany. I am not exactly a lawyer, but we are (legally and societially) that aware of privacy that operating Google the way it is done in the U.S. would be pretty much be a serious crime here.
I would be very interested in this, but for password managers, most notably I'd love to see how the proton and nord offerings stack up against the more established ones like bitwarden.
Keepass2 is the best password manager, and Syncthing is the best -cloud- synced storage to put keepass in.
>bitwarden meme
Offline pass managers are king if you have good backup habits
Offline pass manager + Syncthing is best
we need a messaging tier list (telegram, signal, etc)
also want to say you are the goat
Great Video!
Thanks!
There are a few reasons why I dislike Skiff:
>They are US based. Lavabit has shown us that every provider in the US will one day either have to cooperate with the authorities (without telling anyone) or shut down.
>They are driven by VC money. Private organisations should be community driven and sustainable, like Disroot or Proton, because that way you can be sure they a) listen to the community and b) don't suddenly run out of money. 10GB of storage does not make me feel sustainable.
>On Reddit and Twitter, Skiff has tried to throw a lot of shade at other providers, especially Proton, with false information.
I don't get why having less than a gigabyte for a privacy email is a deal breaker. If you're really concerned about privacy you shouldn't be using email and, if you do, download and encrypt everything you want preserved and delete everything else. That way, even if your email provider betrays you, they will have to dig through old backups.
yeah agreed, Thunderbird email is actually amazing, especially after their recent UI tweaks.
Hotmail addresses in 2023 are a thing of beauty and noone can change my mind.
The problem is that completely switching emails is almost impossible
You need to setup SPF, DKIM, DMARC etc when you are hosting your own mail server if you dont want to end up inside the spam folders. It's not about google trusting you... its because those headers are missing.
You're my favorite channel.
I've used yahoo a lot and gmail sometimes for so long so I was thinking a good switch is the case now, thank you for this video.
❤️ Thank you for all your insight
I worked as tech support for mail server providers for 9 years. The best practice is to host your own mail server and to make sure that your domain has the following 3 DNS records:
1. SPF
2. DKIM
3 DMARC
If you have them configured correctly then major mail providers like Gmail or Yahoo should't have any reason to block your mails.
No one really uses email in personal life for communication - it's mostly for auto communication/storage of information/bills and so on
SPF type records are ‘not recommended’ labeled, in AWS route 53, any idea why so?
Please do a tierlist of calendars next
Bro thank you I wanted this, need a 2nd email.
Google reads my emails? Oh.... gross....
VERY USEFUL, THANKS.
Hi Eric,
Thaks for your Video.
It helped me to check my manage of mail servers, so I can improve my privacy.
I'll need a lot of work (time) to change my actual management cause I need Gmail to manage my working mail servers...
Email is so necessary now that we should really get an address with our ISP that isn't subject to data harvesting. Such a scam.
But if you change ISP won't you will lose your email account?
Thanks for the comprehensive video. Do you still use proton mail and by chance do you use their VPN as well? I was trying to use one company for both email and VPN?
there's also "hey" email. it's focused on an alternative UX for email (no encryption or anything), but they also claim they don't read your email. Only downside is its a bit expensive at $99/year
There is no such thing as private email. If you want privacy, just don't use email.
@@barbanasci I meant don't use email if you are sharing sensitive messages.
I literally JUST switched from Yahoo to Proton after watching Proton vids for the past hour or so. Thats crazy. 2011-2024 was a good run, RIP.
Me using outlook because my dad set up my 10 year old account:
Same for me and my Gmail. All my stuff is tied to the damn thing.
@@Dafuqinator7 Time to change!
Thanks for the video :)) I have a question: If you have a youtube account, don't you need to be signed in with a gmail address? I'm guessing you just don't use it for sending mails...But does that alone (and yk, doing youtube lol) compromise your privacy in any significant way?
I didn't even watch the video, but I trust your paranoia so I will check out the top choices. Thank you sir.
Thanks but watch the video lol
Great video! I guess I wish you had included GMX.
I got a Yahoo address in 1997. It became my spam box. I stopped using it in the mid 00's, continued sifting for about a year. After that I just auto deleted all mail and kept it for old stuff and then abandoned it. I could make my own email server, and I have done a small amount of that sort of thing professionally at one time. I'm entirely too lazy though. It's just way too much work. I'd put it on a list with changing my oil, cutting the grass, replacing bathroom fixtures... Things I could do but won't.
I like using my own domains. I just use a box provided by the host. I have an intricate set of email forwarding addresses I use for anti-spam measures of my own design. I could set it up with Proton mail, which I also have. I kind of got halfway through evaluating Proton mail . I might use it at some point, particularly if I decide to use the other features. So little time, so much software to evaluate. Which is why I'm here of course. (thanks)
You should do Messaging Apps next