Crazy Crosswind Landings & Ground Loops | Oshkosh EAA AirVenture 2022
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- An unbelievable way to kick off my time at AirVenture 2022! When we arrived, we saw the Bird Dog after its ground loop, and we knew we were in for a wild day of filming. Winds straight out of the west gusting as high as 27 knots made for a 70-90 degree crosswind for pilots landing on 36L/R. Come enjoy the show!
Filmed on July 24, 2022
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Firstly, my apologies for a few of the aircraft ages being wayyyy off. I mainly go off what Flightradar24 gives me, but obviously some of them are very inaccurate.
Secondly, @4:56, it should be a Piper
PA-22 Tri-Pacer! Reg is also N7012D, not N70210, and it’s 65 years old. I probably should’ve checked to see that a Raven S49A is a balloon 😂 thanks to everyone that pointed that out.
I think we all knew what you meant 😅
G'day,
And, not only but also, you claim that a P-51 D Mustang is "61 years old"..., and that's how old I am, but in 1961 North AmeriKan was NOT building P-51s any more, and the DC-3 was NOT still being built in 1955, either...
What did you do, ignore the History Books - and then look up when the Airframes first went onto the Civilian Register ?
"Must Try Harder....!"
As one's School Reports used to say...
Such is life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
I'm a little confused. How is it a Pacer? I clearly see the nose wheel of a Tri-Pacer. Was it a conversion? Would be a strange thing for someone to do to a classic airplane.
It’s good to know so many are still interested in real facts - very interesting watch 😀👍
Thanks for correcting that. But, wow, as a real-life pilot, I was sweating out those landings as though I was in the airplanes! Taildraggers are a handful in a crosswind. I owned a SONEX which wasn't all that bad, really. But I've flown the J-3 and the Citabria and they DEMANDED your attention on landing. You aren't done flying a taildragger until you've shut 'er down.
I just want to salute every pilot who executed a go-around when things got dicey. That's the difference between an Aviator and a mere pilot. They saved their aircraft, and maybe themselves, regardless of how it looked, or what inconvenience it may have caused the controllers.
Dramatic much ?
Props to the camera operator here. It can be difficult to keep an airplane in frame but every one of these landings is captured perfectly.
I appreciate the comment, thank you!!
Best crosswind landing I ever saw. Riding shotgun in a '46 Ercoupe, no rudder pedals. Steering 45 degrees into the wind. We tracked down to the runway like we were on rails. Right at the flare, he straightened us up and I heard a single chirp from the tires. RIP dad.
I really thought that one Bonanza [that did end up going around] was going to stall right over the pavement; that was difficult to watch.
As my flying journey has progressed to now being an airline pilot, I’m convinced even more that there’s simply no room for ego on the flight deck of whatever we’re flying. When that moment arrives that we know it’s time to power up and get out of there, let’s just do it! Swing around for another pass - no problem! If it’s really ugly, and sometimes it is, let’s go somewhere else!
Safe flying 😎
I agree with you on that one... that one had me wincing in my seat and should have been a go-around the instant they were too high and dipped their left wing
@11:05 - YL-DON is a Pelegrin Tarragon, a Latvian built ultralight.
Aeroshark?
Ist’s a Shark
13:58 "gotta poop! Ain't got time for no damn crosswinds!" lol
On a good day, flying the 150 is like flying a leaf. Flying into this wind promotes the pucker effect!
I love the fact you show the type and age of the aircraft. It’s very helpful in identifying the older midels.
Hats off to the skillful pilots who accepted the challenge and succeeded in a safe crosswind landing!!!
Man, those Piper, low wings just kind of magnet to the ground. Down close and one and done.
Yes, Like the Piper.
Very interesting! Brings me back to my CFI days teaching cross wind operations in tail draggers. What I would hammer in; for one ALWAYS keep your upwind wing low and NEVER let up. Secondly, as soon as it touches down FULL aileron into wind, right down to walking speed and even then, keep it there. I see time and again; when the wheels are on the ground, people relax and neutralise controls an thats where stuff goes bad...
Never be afraid to go around if you get a bad approach. Pride is much cheaper than a plane.
All my students were schooled that the landing was an option. What I see on this video are airplane drivers 'feeling' for the runway. I wonder how many of them practice crosswind approach and landing procedures with a good instructor? Most airplanes can easily handle at least twice the published crosswind limit. I once found myself in a situation of having to land in a PA 28 in a given cross wind of 40kts. The Piper had plenty of control ability available. Taxying was the real challenge.
Amen. Not done flying until it's tied down. Everyone's approach speed seems excessive beyond the extra for the crosswind. In tail-draggers in a heavy crosswind with a lot of runway: why flaps? By using flaps and reducing the airspeed at touchdown, they thereby raise the crosswind component. And are your worst enemy when trying to keep the upwind wing down on roll-out and during taxi. Flaps are only useful when they are useful. Otherwise..... ahhh no.
That's the way it's done. That technique works on nose-draggers too!😉
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall seeing hardly anyone correcting for the crosswind after landing.
Best video yet. I learned a lot watching these guys!
Lots of rudder exercise in this video. This really is one of the best places to sit and watch A/C land. Great video, as always 👍
Not much aileron, which would have helped.
Awesome video! That was a beautiful 180. Hopefully he was able to get it fixed and fly it back home.
So many aircraft here that are over decades old, yet still looking fresh & new 👌
Excellent, excellent close up shots of the landings! Well done.
That V tail had me on the edge of my seat!
I hope they see this and learn. It clear in the video that he was toying with a near fatality. Wow.
17:30 I'm assuming you're talking about this one? I'm guessing the issue was that he was still at landing power for his go-around, and was close to stalling? Obviously a non-pilot here!!Timestamps are helpful!
@@carlwilliams6977 his approach was very unstable from the beginning. Good decision to go around
@@carlwilliams6977 He reminded me of Kyle Franklin's drunk pilot airshow act. It looked similar.
No matter how many times I've watch that aircraft, it makes me feel sick!!! Was sooooooo close to crashing and would have been right in front of thousands and seen around the world.
I appreciate the all the research you did in chasing down the N numbers and type of airplanes! great Job!as well as the ages 😁🛫
Beautiful capturing ❤
Great varieties 🤩
As a pilot who flew this year and many years in the past I give great credit to this videographer. Nice editing. Amazing piloting skills and much respect to those aware enough to hide their pride and go around. You’ll meet old pilots, but you’ll not meet old, bold pilots. Nice work and thanks for posting
LOVE this channel where you put up the names of the planes. Have been asking that for a long time. My favourite channel from now on. Keep on posting.
Thank you so much!
Thanks for all the work on aircraft ID, info and N number data!! I learned a few I didn't know.
There was a mistake at 5:00. That was a Tri-Pacer, the D was confused for a 0.
Beautiful video, thank you!!
Such a relaxing compilation of airplane landings. Many don't realize that the controllers instruct many of these planes to fly down to the mid point of the runway before touching down so that another plane can land simultaneously at the threshold. Also, controllers may rush you to vacate the runway immediately into the grass. You best do it too. My friend and I were nearly run down by a B-17 that landed right behind us. We barely were in the grass when he caught up and overtook us. We were in a Cessna 182. This occurred back around 1979 when we were young aviators. Now we are very old aviators lol!!
Who ever filmed this is damn good...nice job.
Thanks so much! That means a lot!
@@LeppAviation I agree - great work! You even captured me walking in front of your camera at one point. 🤣 Sorry for getting in your way while filming the C-47!
Beautifully videoed. Well done. Would have been a great day for the enthusiastic sideliners holding up their landing score cards lol The wings level, nil aileron into the wind landing methods seem to net a lot of dangerous low speed ballooning and floating.
Great footage ... thanks for sharing !!! Ciao from Italy !!!
Such a great action, fantastic video mate!
You good tell the MAULE pilot handles crosswinds on a daily basis. Well done
Brilliant videography!
Thanks
Thanks for this video. I'm too old and don't have enough money to come to Oshkosh anymore. I miss it. Thanks again, Royce
The Chief has my airmanship award, followed by some some fine wave-off decisions from the C-47, Corsair, and F-16. I don't know Oshkosh operations, but understand more appropriate runways where available.
Yup! Pilot in the Chief has it dialed in. Only on I could see fed in full aileron as the aircraft slowed during landing roll out.
Chief at 8:56 was real sweet. Total confidence. Nice airplane too.
All landings looked good to me..great camera man!!
That’s the tough thing about flying into Oshkosh you feel pressured to get it down the first time. you have to go back around and get in line.
Absolutely. I really liked the decision making at16:00. The second he got a bounce he didn't like he was gone. He didn't try to salvage a bad landing.
Thants a better line that the one at the hospital or repair shop. 🤪
@@bradleydobie3891 I've flown that airplane for 10 years and 930+ hours and that was in the top 5 toughest landings I've had. With an aft CG (80ish pounds of stuff in the back seat and baggage compartment) and half the runway already behind me, I considered trying to recover for about a half second before throttling up and going around. Nothing was bent or broken other than my pride...and no runways got shut down because of me.
You generally don't get sent to the back of the line for the whole Fisk procedure again. Tower will try to work you back in.
@@cgtbrad unless they forget about you on downwind and never call your base turn. Ask me how I know. 😌 This was my 6th time flying in…1st issue I’ve had. 🤷🏼♂️ Great show, super fun, gotta stay alert!
It's common practice at both Air Venture and Sun-N-Fun to segment the runway to accommodate 3 or more A/C landing on the same runway at the same time. They place large colored circles on the centerline at various distances down the runway and instruct the arriving pilots to "go all the way down and land on the green circle." They don't want to hear you on the radio either. They call you by make, model, and color for instructions and the pilot acknowledges by rocking his wings. Going to Sun-n-Fun one year I was so busy listening to my air band radio and watching the steady stream of traffic that I passed the airport by 5 miles. Really fun to listen to, though.
Glad you pointed this out, as i was about to. Although many pilots when tasked with landing beyond their 'spot' when it was a long way down the runway, seemed to keep the piano keys as their aiming point, and then skim the runway 'til they reached their spot - instead of making the spot their aiming point and flying a normal approach to that point. Lots of them were applying power to keep flying, close to the ground, in a crosswind. Possibly not the best technique!
Wow. Reminds me of the crosswinds at Chicago Executive Airport when I went last October.
That was fun to watch!!
Interesting to watch. I am amazed at how many pilots stop flying the plane as soon as it is on the ground. Very few have the proper crosswind controls in and more then one has the upwind wheel rising. This would be a great video for CFIs to review with students.
Yea, all that planning and they finally get there to ruin their plane they’ve been polishing the whole month right in front of everyone, really bad crosswind skills. Then the slushventure kicks in with high winds to do more damage.
@@tropicthndr the damage was minimal on Saturday from the storms. This was Sunday afterwards.
It’s definitely something that is required but there is always that relief of landing and the urge to relax and set everything to neutral…. The exact thing that you shouldn’t do. As you correctly said, keep flying the aircraft even on the ground.
@@romeomike3945 No matter what you are flying you must keep on flying it. I noticed several tricycle gear planes with the left wing lifting because people stopped flying on the runway.
Exactly.....well stated.
Very talented airmanship going on there but that 144R Bananza toward the end had me worried. And the 180 should’ve held in left aileron to prevent that right wing tip from dragging
I watched in person and i thought he was going to die for sure
The Tri-pacer and the Skyhawk who let their upwind wing come up were not using crosswind controls either. The 180 that hit the wing tip even helped the upwind wing upward.
Best airmanship might be those who went around or those who refused 36 at Fisk.
@@watashiandroid8314 I’m sure Definitely a learning Experience for all pilots who attempted a landing in that crosswind situation👍
Same. Thought we were about to watch him spin it in. It didn’t sound like he had full power in on the GA either.
WOW great video thanks made my day 😀👍
Way cool! My wife and I owned 8494M, Cessna 182 (3rd from the end) from 1978 to 1990 in the Portland Oregon area. GO MIKE!
Oh that’s awesome! And a great landing to go along with it too 😉
the Comanche driver set it down like a boss
Thank you. Someone just shared this video with me. I love my Comanche.
Cool to see N2983 landing around the 10:40 mark. The owner lives out near me in eastern PA and I'll hear him coming from miles away. Those Texans really announce themselves.
That's because of the P&W 1340 radial. If you ever hear like an over Rev when he's flying that's the prop going super sonic
The V tail Bonanza mushing along there in the go-around really scared me.
Kudos to those who chose to go around.👍
VERY VERY INTERESTING CROSS WINDS TODAY !!!
With that kind of crosswind component, it's amazing to me how many of the pilots in this video held in very little or no upwind aileron during the roundout and rollout phases of the landing. The P-51 @ 2:22, Aeronca @ 8:53, and T-6 @ 10:39 were some notable exceptions. Wonderful video!
You are correct. There were only a couple that had the wing down !
To me it seem like the tail draggers tended to have better crosswind corrections and kept flying to the end of their ground roll in the video.
The aeronca was flown very skillful, that was fun to watch. Also one of the few pilots not carrying waaay too much speed into the landing, as it seems.
@@doncroyle1790 They need to. Otherwise the pilot is flown by the aircraft.
@@mhoeltken I absolutely agree! I thought the Aeronca pilot demonstrated a damn near textbook example of how to execute a crosswind landing in a taildragger! Very well done!
Great video! I see some skilled aviators, but also an astonishing amount of poor x-wind technique. I don't think the Bonanza owner (N144R) knew how dangerously close he was to crashing that beautiful V-tail. Wow, just.....wow.
I was yelling, POWER POWER POWER!
The pilot of N144R was behind the curve, way behind. I was expecting a stall- spin almost any second.
That’s exactly what I thought. He was his own worst enemy🥴
I might be right out of the ballpark here, but I would never make a slow, highly flared landing in those conditions. Minimal flaps, wing into the wind, plenty of speed and fly the windward main onto the pavement. I noted many aircraft did not have ailerons into the wind after touchdown.
@@Matt-mo8sl I was yelling get the gear up and nose down and power the hell outa there
I like the ground loop videos.
You've done good work! Keep it up! Awesome!!! Thanks for sharing!
I'm surpriced in many Old classic airplanes looking like New!
That 150 coming in at 12:23 was great, even with just 10 flaps!
10 flaps is what you should do with crosswinds like that.
Wonderful👍👍👍
YL-DON at 11:11 is a Pelegrin Tarragon. Great shots!
Incredible video mate!
Man look at the trees whipping, very challenging winds.
Wow. Thanks
The descriptions was great as so many look-a-likes are out. You could just tell the wind conditions, esp with the lighter aircraft's. Ho many go around's were there?
I like these videos better than seeing
you on other site....
Now if you could do this LIVE that
might be fun....
😁😁😁😁
If you want to add the age of active USAF aircraft, the year of manufacture is in the tail number as a 2 digit number after the AF. So AF86 under the two letter base identifier would be built in 1986. Hope that helps.
Interesting lessons here , very few pilots landed wing low into the wind and most of them stopped flying the plane once the wheels touched down, they neutralized the ailerons instead of rolling full over as the plane slowed down.
I thought the exact same thing! You only your wing to pop up on you 1 time on a landing roll out to convince you to fly your airplane all the way down to taxi speed and in light airplanes, you fly her all the way to parking!
The unknown is a light sport from Europe called a "shark." I saw one at Portsmouth when landing in an RV10 and he was headed out- it was so unique we had to ask over the radio what it was.
not a shark but close that was a tarragon hence the RR on the tail shark has a pointed tail like a shark
@@marcusfalconieri4576 Seems odd that they identified it as a "shark" over the radio- My son even wrote it on his kneeboard so we could look it up later.
@@stephenyoung7267 11:20 czcams.com/video/4hCf-MDKWXU/video.html
@@stephenyoung7267 at 11:19 look at the tail you will see the RR for tarragon the shark is made by TL-ultralights two different planes that look alike
definitely not a Shark, but the Tarragon looks similar.
Great footage. The unknown aircraft looks like Blackshape Prime to me.
I believe it is actually a Pelegrin Terragon. They do look similar though.
Good photography!!
The aircraft at 11:15 is a Pelegrin Tarragon "Microlight"/Ultralight aircraft (according to FAI rules). It is produced in Latvia. But that guy flying the V-Tail Bonanza at 18:00 was "SCARY"!
That approach was scared. He just chopped and dropped and then took off to steeply. Someone was looking after him.
Years ago I used to fly with a friend of mine and we used to go in to Meigs (rip) just to practice crosswind landings. There were hairy times.
@8:38 the aircraft (blue & white) landing is a North American Navion. They built these aircraft on the same jigs as the P-51 Mustangs
Best thing to do is keep a little power all the way to you h down. It is hard specially landing on the colored circles the controller wants you to land on. #1 rule is to NEVER GET INTO A PISSING contest with those controllers as well. Xwind landings can be challenging but keeping a level head and not get pissed at others you can be ok.
I could be wrong, but as I recall they were requiring pilots to land on a particular colored spot to increase landing frequency. That, along with a gusty and stiff crosswind could make things a bit dicey.
That and all of the CZcams “pilots” with less than 100 hours flying into that crazy scene so that they can get views
Taildragger pilots are the best!
Thanks for naming the airplanes...cheers to all the pilots!
Nice camera work. Model and age are really neat to have on your video even if there were a few inconsistencies. Let someone else try to catalog all of these! Those complainers probably never have attempted to build even a simple video. It's hard work, good job!
Interesting and educational video. I think I saw you out there! But, I think some of the aircraft ages are pretty far off. But! A good educational video and thank you for your work and time!
I appreciate the comment and feedback Peter! I’m just going off of the year that was given to me on the aircraft via Google or FlightRadar24 search. But who knows, those ages may be off.
Awesome capture! May I feature this Beech V35 Bonanza go around in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. Cheers!
Yeah absolutely!
Yeah I was working the line when this happened. Very interesting to watch
The experimental aircraft all look like RC aircraft! Hahaha!
The Doctor Killer still showing it's stuff (Beechcraft Bonanza V35). But, man, wish I owned one! A family friend had a Tri-Pacer and it was the first aircraft I went up in and the first I piloted (briefly). Sweet little thing. I figured "Raven" must have made a clone copy. ;-)
Best trainer, ever: C150
The airplane you called a raven appears to be a piper tri-pacer!
11:19 That's a Pelegrin Terragon!
The last plane, N258L has the classiest paint scheme I've ever seen on a GA aircraft.
I was a bit surprised to see that almost all planes have their flaps down. However, this runway seems long for most aircrafts, which makes it possible to land without flaps. In addition it seems that few of them keep the stick in the wind after touchdown
I was thinking the exact same thing. You see a lot of them on the ground with the nose gear and one of the main wheels in the air.
While I don't have time in all of these aircraft to speak to their characteristics specifically. At this event you have multiple aircraft landing on the same runway and even taxiways at the exact same time. There are colored markers that each landing aircraft has to target for landing. As a result a higher angle is sometimes needed.
very like see old aeroplane flying......
F4-U “wave off, going around”
F-16 “wheels up, going around”
Comanche “what crosswind?”
The F16 most likely did this for the show.
The f16 has to worry about getting stopped more than the others. There was one that didn’t get stopped at osh a few yrs ago. Career ending move. If he used up a bunch of space trying to flare then going around was the right call.
Yeah, I could land mine in anything. It goes from plane to brick with the pull of one black knob.
Wow! That Cessna (N1615) not only made no correction to the crosswind, i.e. no Aileron into the wind. But caused the whole thing by relaxing the back pressure on the Elevators in the first place. The Champ (N9510E) clearly showed how a crosswind landing is done, albeit a bit squirrelly. Note: the Left aileron is fully up during the roll out.
The P51 Mustang at 13:32 tail number 413410 was originally 44-63350 . In July 2007 the pilot at the time, John Mckittrick, flipped the plane on his first solo landing attempt and died as a result. Aircraft was built in 1944 ....
When you come in for a landing, everybody has equal opportunity
Some good decisions to go around.
Your mystery aircraft at 11:10 is a Pelegrin Tarragon, produced in Latvia. This aircraft has Latvian registration.
1:39 the Black sheep squadron
Don't know what that Unknown silver aircraft is but it's damn nice..!!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelegrin_Tarragon
they had to pick one of the windiest days of the year to have this event ? wow
I find it interesting that I see full flaps in many of these landings. I was taught to use only 10, maybe 20 deg flaps in windy conditions. My instructor would actually take me up in crosswind gusty conditions where I could barely read the airspeed indicator. So thankful for that. Heard many others had instructors cancel on them for wind conditions. Thoughts?
Same here, a good instructor should put you into situations that may arise so you actually experience them and can therefore deal with them.
Crosswind was mild. It was a strong headwind mostly. and flaps help control speed.
@@CFITOMAHAWK Flaps also increase lift and lower stall speed. So what you wind up with is an airplane that just keeps floating and refuses to quit flying while you wrestle with the crosswind component with reduced control authority. We saw a bunch of that in this video. Like others are commenting, my instructor also taught me to use 1 or 2 flap instead of 3, and increase landing speed by 5 or 10 because the slower you get, the less control authority you have. So by landing fast with less flap, you have better control authority getting it down close to the pavement and aligned with the centerline, and then it quits flying sooner instead of floating forever. You could tell the guys that did this because they got close to the pavement quick, and then thumped on when it quit flying. Which is arguably a little more effective than floating down the runway forever, while being pushed around by gusts over and over and over.......the other thing I noticed a lot in this video, is that very few pilots kept the aileron input in once they touched down. You need to keep the ailerons into the wind on rollout and taxi! The taildragger guy that ground looped, failed to do this and the wind got under his wing.
@@thekill2509 You can use some flaps until short final. To control the descend and the speeds. Then cut them. Done that since 1997.
@@thekill2509 Also, if you keep the flaps in the flare, it wont float as much if you kept the right speed before flaring. And if you dont lower the wing, it will float more too.
Peregrine Tarragon is the aircraft you asked about!
8:06 that was butter! Or was the glide slope a little low?
Watching N144R was frightening!!!! Seconds from disaster.
Looks like the crosswind was bad on approach, but then settled down before touchdown. Still, very nice work by all these pilots.
11:04 YL-DON looks like a modified SX-300 because of wing shape and vertical stabilizer. Mains look to be modified since stock SX-300s have the mains raked forwards. Hope this helps.
Swearingen are side-by-side aircraft.