As Bodas de Fígaro: Mozart lidando com a censura. Filme Amadeus (1984).

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  • @JoshBreakdowns
    @JoshBreakdowns Před 2 měsíci +8

    "Why must we go on forever, writing only about gods and legends??"
    "Because they do! They go on forever! At least what they represent."
    The writing is just phenomenal

  • @maximusaugustus6823
    @maximusaugustus6823 Před rokem +31

    This masterpiece is almost 40 years old, just wow.

  • @armancz
    @armancz Před rokem +88

    Tom Hulce played that role absolutely brilliantly, that movie is a masterpiece. Gotta rewatch again.

    • @michaelhegyan7464
      @michaelhegyan7464 Před rokem +3

      Saw it at the movie theater, when living in Miami, it came out...brilliant

  • @GodsFavoriteBassPlyr
    @GodsFavoriteBassPlyr Před rokem +33

    All players were Exceptional. Jeffrey Jones - Says so much, often without saying a word. One of the finest character actors of our age.

    • @JoeDiamond110
      @JoeDiamond110 Před rokem

      Damn shame he’s a massive perv in real life.

    • @frankstrawnation
      @frankstrawnation Před rokem +2

      It's a pity that he had serious personal problems that damaged his career.

    • @Meme_God_Killer
      @Meme_God_Killer Před 9 měsíci +3

      Well... there it is.

    • @mmcgrath2510
      @mmcgrath2510 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@frankstrawnationi adore him in everything he’s in and then I had to go read his Wikipedia page and…

  • @tanaraci92
    @tanaraci92 Před rokem +50

    One thing I realised re-watching this scene: In the actual opera the servant couple are the good guys while the male part of the aristocratic couple is the villain. While describing the 20 minute scene, Mozart cleverly disguises that. He talks about a regular couple having an argument and a “scheming little maid comes in”. In fact maid is scheming with the Countess against the Count himself who wants to rape her. And later he describes Figaro (who is actually the good guy trying to stop the Count) as husband’s valet who is “plotting with the maid”. So he is using the language of the emperor and aristocracy against the poor people to convince them (and Hulce ever so slightly makes this belittling face when he utters those phrases). The actual opera is much more symphetatic to the maid and the valet.
    Found this little detail interesting because it goes against the surface level interpretation that Mozart is depicted as this naive, childish guy who doesn't understand the political situation around him. He actually very well does and manipulates it for his advantage.

    • @historiasdamusica
      @historiasdamusica  Před rokem +6

      This film is spectacular in many ways except the biographical aspect, which we all know is very wrong. According to David Cairns, it was Lorenzo da Ponte, the librettist, who actually released Le Nozze from censorship.
      The operatic language of the aristocracy was serious opera, like Idomeneo. And she is exactly the one criticized in the famous passage:
      Oh, bello, bello, bello! Come on now, be honest. Wouldn't you all rather listen to your hairdressers than Hercules? Or Horatius? Or Orpheus? All those old bores! People so lofty they sound as if they shit marble!
      It was the opera buffa librettos created by Carlo Goldoni that put the conflict between aristocratic and bourgeois morals in conflict on stage.
      To understand this scene, it is worth reading the book by Norbert Elias, Mozart Sociology of a genius, in particular the chapter “Craftsman's art, Artist's art”.

    • @squamish4244
      @squamish4244 Před 2 měsíci

      @@historiasdamusica Nevertheless, Mozart chose this libretto to write music to. He knew it was damning of the aristocracy. This is the late 18th Century. The world is transforming into the one we recognize today. The Marriage of Figaro is a modern opera. Without the heavenly music, the libretto would have gotten nowhere.

  • @AtlasBlizzard
    @AtlasBlizzard Před rokem +23

    I'm sure many artists can relate to Mozart here, having to fight for your vision with people who have no concept of what you're trying to create.

  • @davidbrown5628
    @davidbrown5628 Před rokem +72

    Can't believe how old this film is yet it stands strong today

    • @jesustovar2549
      @jesustovar2549 Před rokem +2

      For me, it never gets old.

    • @Audiorevue
      @Audiorevue Před rokem +4

      Just like the music

    • @Aprilpie13
      @Aprilpie13 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@Wonka89- Very well said, I wholeheartedly agree with you. To me movies during this time felt more mature in regards to storytelling. There was world & character building.

    • @clausesanta5042
      @clausesanta5042 Před měsícem

      That's what we call "classical".

  • @jrock2720
    @jrock2720 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I just love that for a period of history, the top political leaders took their artistic output as seriously as any other part of their governing. It's my understanding that it was Mozart's librettist, Lorenzo Da Ponte, who convinced the emperor to allow the production of the operatic version of Figaro. Here in modern times, government officials will get riled up now and then about a piece of music or art; usually because they find something offensive. But back in the late 1700's, artistic output was how a country was defined. It was a statement to cultural sophistication and a commentary on the populace.

    • @historiasdamusica
      @historiasdamusica  Před 2 měsíci

      That's true: it was da Ponde who convinced the emperor to lift the censurchip. But not every aristocrat took art as serious as politics. And art was used not for arts's sake, it was a projection of power and wealth. You should read Nobert Elias book,The Court Society. And it's not true that art was how a country was defined. The wish of God was the justification for absolutists monarchies. And aristocrats could spent their times with art because all the privileges they have. They own the land, because God said so, and they could colect taxes on it. Hail, hail, french revolution!!

  • @RavenDanzig
    @RavenDanzig Před rokem +168

    Best line ever: "I am a vulgar man; My music is not."

  • @l.e.gonzalez-cortes7820
    @l.e.gonzalez-cortes7820 Před rokem +50

    I have seen this movie more than any other and can never get enough of it!

  • @Meme_God_Killer
    @Meme_God_Killer Před 9 měsíci +5

    Talk about range--Tom Hulce went from playing an innocent freshman in "Animal House" to Mozart and was never heard from since.

    • @ShatteredDreams90
      @ShatteredDreams90 Před 2 měsíci

      He played Quasimodo in Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame

  • @jpmackin
    @jpmackin Před rokem +32

    One of the greatest movies, with the best actor to portray- all for Love of the most grandiose of all composers.

  • @ArthurCSchaper
    @ArthurCSchaper Před 4 měsíci +2

    This is one of my favorite scenes in the movie, and if not in all movies.
    Every character plays his part perfectly. Nothing is wasted or empty.
    Not one character is a hollow stereotype. And what of my favorite lines is uttered by one of the minor characters, Baron von Swieten:
    Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart : I am fed to the teeth with elevated themes! Old dead legends! Why must we go on forever writing about gods and legends?
    Baron Van Swieten : Because they do. They go on forever. Or at least what they represent. The eternal in us. Opera is here to ennoble us. You and me, just the same as His Majesty.

  • @symerasantos5774
    @symerasantos5774 Před 2 lety +45

    Perdoe-me ,majestade! Eu sou um homem vulgar,mas asseguro-lhe que a minha música não é! ( Mozart)

  • @user-bn5vz6bc1t
    @user-bn5vz6bc1t Před 21 dnem

    비로소 알아낸 영화네요... 모차르트 팬입니다. 너무나 감사합니다.

  • @rubensf.dossantos9078
    @rubensf.dossantos9078 Před rokem +21

    Adorei esse filme. E as risadas de Mozart e sua humanidade.... 🥰👏🏻👏🏻🎼🎹

    • @carolme77
      @carolme77 Před 6 měsíci

      sim kkkk queria muito saber se na vida real o mozart também ria assim hahaha seria uma cereja no bolo de um ser humano já extraordinário.

    • @teresagardiner153
      @teresagardiner153 Před 2 měsíci

      @@carolme77 There's no evidence that Mozart laughed like that. The movie's depiction of him is mostly fictional, although he did have a notable fondness for fart-jokes and other bathroom humor, irl.

  • @profxtreme9275
    @profxtreme9275 Před měsícem +2

    I like that they don't portray the emperor as a fool. You don't have to agree with him, but he comes across throughout the film as a reasonable man. Portraying him as a complete fool would have been only too easy. He's still portrayed as being "wrong" in some ways, but he is portrayed as a real person with both virtues and failings. Every character was written so well.

  • @jesustovar2549
    @jesustovar2549 Před rokem +16

    What a brilliant scene and very well acted, worthy of analysis (as the whole movie), Mozart (in the movie) just wanted to tell a story with ordinary people that the public could relate to and laugh, I have nothing against legends or myths (which would be the movies of science fiction and fantasy of our times), the theme was subversive, but the author is just taking the theme, it was not so much a protest, comedy is taking a matter of life with laughter.
    I really like Mozart's comparing the difference between noise and music, but that noise can be harmonious, it can be transformed into music, in fact that's the basis of Music as a whole.
    Many artists have had to fight against censorship to show their vision to those who only want to maintain their interests and their elitist status, still happens today.

    • @frankstrawnation
      @frankstrawnation Před rokem +1

      If you're paying the artist, it wouldn't be censorship if you don't like what the artist is making and demand changes.

  • @grandrapids57
    @grandrapids57 Před rokem +12

    Not to criticize the film but Mozart was by far not so silly in such company, but it makes a good character. He grew up playing for high society and royalty.

    • @Leokipo
      @Leokipo Před rokem +2

      Yes, I was a bit skeptical. Thanks for your insight.

    • @Meme_God_Killer
      @Meme_God_Killer Před 9 měsíci +5

      Well this was a hollywood movie by and for Americans, millions of whom think Trump is a genius.

    • @grandrapids57
      @grandrapids57 Před 9 měsíci

      @@Meme_God_Killer By every ordinary metric, he is a genius. Would you like to compare his accomplishments? If you do not know of any, then you may wish to: 1- question the media you use, 2- use a search engine to discover his accomplishment . 3- find out why others view him as a genius and challenge your own opinion in the vacuum of knowledge of those accomplishments. Or you could blissfully continue onwards because its no fun to discover a cherished belief is wrong.

    • @grandrapids57
      @grandrapids57 Před 9 měsíci

      Dear Mr. Organizer, huh, I do not debate with the closed minded; however, this little exchange is a lesson is psychology.

  • @jerrygelgot8484
    @jerrygelgot8484 Před rokem +6

    Wonderful!!😍❤️

  • @nataliya2641
    @nataliya2641 Před rokem +1

    Thank you.
    Hello from Moscow.
    Subscribed.

  • @kyeque1967
    @kyeque1967 Před rokem +7

    My favorite movie!

  • @unoriginal422
    @unoriginal422 Před 3 měsíci +1

    3:22 it actually goes all the way to a septet in the actual opera

  • @goyogoldin9375
    @goyogoldin9375 Před rokem +5

    bravo !!!!

  • @catzenhouse
    @catzenhouse Před 9 měsíci +1

    I found Jan Swafford's book "Mozart - The Reign of Love" to be very informative and enlightening. Very readable.

  • @natalya9821
    @natalya9821 Před rokem

    Hello Fernando.
    Thank you.

  • @alharthy50
    @alharthy50 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I actually think that Salieri saved mozart from future execution in this scene

  • @1cesarwestin
    @1cesarwestin Před rokem +4

    Ah! Se Sua Majestade visse ou ouvisse o que é vulgar hoje ...?!

  • @MrRitchieD
    @MrRitchieD Před 6 měsíci +1

    I did like the way the man described how opera ennoble the legends

  • @joaomarcio77
    @joaomarcio77 Před 7 měsíci

    Uma cena inspiradora, com certeza.

  • @nameless8168
    @nameless8168 Před rokem +14

    Engraçado que o vídeo é destinado aos brasileiros, mas só tem pessoas de outros países comentando hahaha, a cultura daqui as vezes me deixa triste.

    • @gilvicente2010
      @gilvicente2010 Před rokem +1

      "Se há alguma cultura nesse pais é necessário que você a tenha trazido..." (CIC)

    • @frankstrawnation
      @frankstrawnation Před rokem

      Uai, o áudio é original em Inglês. Se o trecho tivesse o áudio dublado, só teria brasileiro comentando.

    • @nameless8168
      @nameless8168 Před rokem

      @@frankstrawnation está legendado, é o título do vídeo está em português, só isso já séria o bastante pra pessoas do Brasil entenderem o vídeo.
      É dublado seria difícil pois o filme em si não existe dublagem, outro fator que mostra o quão esse país não se importa tanto com tal conteúdo.

    • @frankstrawnation
      @frankstrawnation Před rokem

      @@nameless8168 Esse filme foi dublado sim e já passou na TV aberta várias vezes.

  • @viernes-5
    @viernes-5 Před rokem +9

    I went to school with Mozart and already played the 🎹 piano very good 👍🙌🕊️
    🤤

  • @ifyouloveChristyouwillobeyhim

    Phenomenal acting on the part of the king in this scene. You can just see the layers of carefully covered thoughts. Does someone remember the actor's name? In my family we just call him Rooney. . . 😆

  • @ShatteredDreams90
    @ShatteredDreams90 Před 4 měsíci +3

    People so lofty they sound as if they shit marble 😂😂😂

    • @JoshBreakdowns
      @JoshBreakdowns Před 2 měsíci +2

      "Govern your tongue Mozart, how dare you!"

  • @nuranarrowood5808
    @nuranarrowood5808 Před rokem

    YEARS AGO I HAVE SEEN FIGARO OPERA AWESOME ANS WAS VERY SAD

  • @nuranarrowood5808
    @nuranarrowood5808 Před rokem +3

    I LOVE THIS OPERA

  • @mayrondharma7710
    @mayrondharma7710 Před rokem

    fantastic

  • @didiwongo
    @didiwongo Před rokem

    My favorite movie

  • @peterpiper47
    @peterpiper47 Před rokem +7

    1:24 His left eye is a good 1/4 inch below his right.

    • @JMarieCAlove
      @JMarieCAlove Před rokem +2

      I noticed that too! First I thought it was his angle and the lighting but you’re right! 😁

    • @peterehsman8831
      @peterehsman8831 Před rokem

      He was probably ADHD and a few other conditions

    • @missingno88
      @missingno88 Před rokem +1

      You’ll find most peoples faces are asymmetrical like that lol just depends on the angle and lighting etc

  • @sayuri933
    @sayuri933 Před rokem +2

    Cagam marmore kkkkkkkk
    haja forevis

  • @carlosburness3487
    @carlosburness3487 Před rokem +1

    2:26 best quote

  • @josephclarkclassicalandfaith

    I follow this man.

  • @aldito7586
    @aldito7586 Před rokem +5

    "Mozart, do you realize that I have declared all of this shit bullshit?"

    • @peterehsman8831
      @peterehsman8831 Před rokem +2

      Mozart was a child protagy could you read at an about level when you were in nappys

  • @MapleSyrupPoet
    @MapleSyrupPoet Před 7 měsíci

    ❤❤❤😅😊

  • @rooneyjosuehernandezvillan4213

    As far as I'm concerned, this is inaccurate. Acording to some sources (Britannica Enciclopedia, Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians), the opera's librettist, Lorenzo Da Ponte (who was the official court's poet too), asked the emperor Joseph permission to transform this play into an opera, without the political connotation the original work has. Although the theatrical play was actually banned, the emperor allowed Da Ponte to do the opera, without even hearing the music. Still, I love this movie very much

  • @user-oj7nj1uf7m
    @user-oj7nj1uf7m Před 7 měsíci

    😂😂😂 I love that movie so funny

  • @haraldisdead
    @haraldisdead Před 7 měsíci

    More films set in Europe should use the American accents, among others.
    It's what made this film so successful.
    The King has an American accent in this film, but why shouldn't it be Canadian, Australian, or Kiwi?

  • @mannlichesgehirn7689
    @mannlichesgehirn7689 Před 4 měsíci

    6...7 ...minutes 😕....eighttt minutes ? 😒
    TWENTY SIRE !!! TWENTY MINUTES !!!
    😅😅😅

  • @lawrencetaylor4101
    @lawrencetaylor4101 Před rokem +1

    I don't know the story. Did he pass the audition?

    • @Luca33600
      @Luca33600 Před rokem +1

      Really ?

    • @deirdremorris9234
      @deirdremorris9234 Před rokem

      Watch the movie. Its fantastic.

    • @maureendavidson4635
      @maureendavidson4635 Před rokem

      @.Lawrence. He persuaded the Emperor to let the Opera go ahead. It is still performed nowadays at Opera Houses all over the world. The Marriage of Figaro.

  • @mannlichesgehirn7689
    @mannlichesgehirn7689 Před 4 měsíci

    Figaro makes to much jokes about the upper class

  • @carlosburness3487
    @carlosburness3487 Před rokem +2

    If you wanted to grow beards back then you’d fit in well with piracy 🏴‍☠️

  • @illayreich8373
    @illayreich8373 Před rokem +1

    All these genius composers were speaking English. Maybe that's why they call themselves a Great Britain. 😂

  • @arkady714
    @arkady714 Před 8 měsíci

    Jealous gaggle of useless stiffs. Mozart is the only character in this scene with a soul. Freaking brilliant.

  • @hmongghoststoriesinthedark

    The weird editing on 0:06-0:07 got me.

  • @Fotinialive
    @Fotinialive Před rokem +1

    E per la cronaca dovrebbe parlare con accento locale di lingua tedesca

  • @Fotinialive
    @Fotinialive Před rokem +1

    Mozart dovrebbe parlare in tedesco

  • @natewoods6149
    @natewoods6149 Před 6 měsíci

    BVS is a Chad

    • @JoshBreakdowns
      @JoshBreakdowns Před 2 měsíci

      Ok but in real life he gave Mozart a copy of The Well Tempered Clavier so...

  • @ehenri1438
    @ehenri1438 Před 10 měsíci

    do it I want to hear it

  • @Fotinialive
    @Fotinialive Před rokem +1

    In questo film 🎥 non è che mi sembra tutto giusto

  • @allys744
    @allys744 Před rokem +1

    “I’m a vulgar man! But I can assure you, my music is not”
    *lol that’s not completely true. Mozart was known for his restroom humor to the point where he once wrote a humorous rhyme about it. There’s a whole Wikipedia page of “Mozart and scatology” 🤣✋

  • @jean6872
    @jean6872 Před rokem

    Why does Mozart laugh like that?

    • @BigDaddy-pe5xi
      @BigDaddy-pe5xi Před rokem

      Because hes a clown.... fool

    • @jean6872
      @jean6872 Před rokem

      @@BigDaddy-pe5xi Mozart was a child prodigy and a brilliant composer.

    • @BigDaddy-pe5xi
      @BigDaddy-pe5xi Před rokem

      @@jean6872 mozart was also a clown.... a court jester.. a slave to the music industry, after working 20 years for merely nothing, even though his artwork was great. Hey, but life is a total joke in society.... yeah fool
      Kayne West is starting to realize this... the same fate that Mozart had 300 years before

    • @rachell452
      @rachell452 Před rokem +1

      Apparently the real Mozart had an irritating high-pitched nervous laugh. People who knew him described it like scratching glass. He was a childish and immature man who laughed at everything.

    • @jean6872
      @jean6872 Před rokem

      @Rachel L *_I wonder how true it is to say that Mozart was a childish immature man and whether this belief is based on reality or the gossip of his enemies._*

  • @lefttodiscover6063
    @lefttodiscover6063 Před rokem +3

    Italian? 🧐

    • @historiasdamusica
      @historiasdamusica  Před rokem +5

      In Viena, at the time, there was many differents styles of opera. French, German and Italian.

    • @jonnyfrench19
      @jonnyfrench19 Před rokem +2

      If you mean the subtitling, it's Portuguese.

    • @maureendavidson4635
      @maureendavidson4635 Před rokem

      Well he wrote that Opera in Italian. One of the biographies I read said he was studying English and reading Shakepeare before he died. Don't know if that's true

  • @jairop6725
    @jairop6725 Před rokem

    O Iluminismo. The end of the times.

  • @Wolfganger
    @Wolfganger Před rokem

    Hello

  • @krikribroch8442
    @krikribroch8442 Před rokem

    Francais

  • @sanwan7138
    @sanwan7138 Před rokem +3

    A nut played by a fruit

  • @tommersch4296
    @tommersch4296 Před rokem

    Cinque...dieci....venti...trenta....trenta sei...quaranta tre

  • @unechaine1
    @unechaine1 Před rokem

    Je n'ai jamais aimé sa musique mais le personnage est intéressant.

    • @frankstrawnation
      @frankstrawnation Před rokem

      A música é mais interessante do que o personagem, pelo menos se considerarmos a vida real de Mozart.

    • @amiguinhos790
      @amiguinhos790 Před 6 měsíci

      Vai embora então, Zé Mane