WOW..... TIM DUNCAN REALLY IN THE GOAT TALK TOO?!?!? Making The Case - Tim Duncan Reaction
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The only thing Duncan was missing was the Chicago, NY, LA logo. He had one of the best careers that many missed. And the best part was Tim Duncan didn't care. He left his accomplishments on the court instead of the headlines.
Tim didn't chase rings by moving around and making trade demands. His play drew others to him.
duncan beat all 18 team he played in the playoffs ...the only team he never beat out west is the rockets who he never played...he beat every finals foe he played and every team out west not named the spurs or rockets
@@razkableexept the heat that ray allen shot was amazing
@@thebsteverhe beat them the following year
@@polocash11 the Spurs didn't really trade for key components. Their best players came through the draft. Aldridge and Gasol came later and were pretty much on their last legs lol. Can you imagine Prime Gasol and Prime Duncan on the same team? wouldn't have been fair.
Duncan reminds of the blue collar dude that wasn't into the flash, glitz & glamour. He just took his brown bag with his lunch in it to work & got the job done.
Bro I cannot believe a video about an NBA player who is alive and well made me cry.
it's b/c it's the death of an era in the NBA; we'll never see this again. There's too much team-hopping and selfishness among the players nowadays to ever replicate this.
@@Gary828 It seems that Steph might replicate this. Two things he shared with Tim: revered by teammates and appreciated by players throughout the league.
@@UnconventionalReasoningI think it's reasonable to say we might see something similar with Jokic too!
Kevin Garnett actually said that TD is only player he gave up on. He could never get under his skin and Duncan made him more frustrated that any player his entire career. The crazy thing is Duncan did this without saying more than "nice try" or "maybe next time"!!!
P.S. Duncan also took pay cuts everytime the team needed...and that is a true leader and winner!!!
I recall when he did a finale video where he reveals his goat pick and talks about the making the case series as a whole, he mentioned he didn't put Kobe in the list because he couldn't find or think of a legitimate argument that put Kobe out of Michael Jordan's shadow. Kobe is 'Jordan lite' in a sense, and dispelling that notion is a daunting task considering they're playstyles are identical, play the same position, and use the same moves. Kobe was a slightly better 3pt shooter, but that's really about it.
It's true. I personally think there is a case to be made from the sense of difficulty, that Kobe succeeded in a more difficult era as compared to jordan. That he won 3 of the hardest rings in nba history in a three peat, and then proceeded to win a back to back, with equally difficult rings, not having another top 75 player on the team. He played in the most defensive era, playing the most superstars and winning against the most 50 win teams. And within that, he put up such high volume numbers when scoring was at an all time low, getting a 35 point season where he scored 81 points in one game. I think there's an argument that he's slightly more skilled in terms of footwork and post moves, and he pushed through more injuries and a more physically limiting body.
That being said, that is just a case I cab think of, but Jordan's, and that of other players, are still greater than Kobe's. Kobe really was the second iteration of MJ, so it's hard to escape a chronic second place.
jordan's teams were far more stacked than kobe's. one could argue during his time with shaq it was comparable...but for his second two rings, not close. that's where kobe gets more props from me.
As a long-time Nuggets fan, I was always frustrated about Duncan. We couldn't score on him, we couldn't guard him, he always got the big rebound, etc; so we could never get past the Spurs for playoff spots. But I couldn't hate the guy. He was just pure class, still is. Hope he gets a HC gig soon.
my favorite player of all time. go spurs go!
Timmy is just that guy you need in every team. Never mind the razzle dazzle. Never mind the flashy plays. Never mind the dunks. Let the guy do his work and eventually he will make the team and the association better while winning and getting them rings.
While I'm not a huge basketball fan, I spent 20 years rooting for the Spurs because of Duncan. This video explained why very well. What also occurred to me while watching it is that a comparison can be made between Duncan and Derek Jeter.
@@chrisd7047 while the Jeter comparison is valid, perhaps an even better comparison is with Mariano Rivera?
@@UnconventionalReasoning Dude, I'm a Red Sox fan. Give me credit for even mentioning a Yankee. I opted for the position player over the pitcher.
@@chrisd7047 haha, that's fair. I only suggested Rivera because a Sox fan told me at Fenway that Mo was the one Yankee player they couldn't hate.
This is my favorite video in the series, even though I don't have Duncan as GOAT.
This and the Lebron video are both absolutely amazing
Clayton is so good that he could probably convince me Steve Kerr is the GOAT
I don't mean to put words in Clayton's mouth, but I think the biggest reason Kobe is not included is because he was "the second coming of Michael Jordan," but just a hair below him. The others in the series were different kinds of players, so there was more room to make different arguments for them.
Yea I can see that
there was only 8 too, i don't think kobe is a top 8 player
@@mike04574 Kobe Bryant is CERTAINLY a top 8 player... the thing is that he couldn't be no.1 because Jordan is objectively better than him in the same playstyle so he had no place in this documentary... however go watch a take by Gilbert Arenas on how he would argue for Kobe being the GOAT if he had to (didn't mean he has Kobe as the goat... but if he had to debate why he is what he would say)...
he said "Kobe was the second coming of Jordan and almost reached his greatness and only was below Jordan by a hair, right? But Jordan started with a huge advantage... he was the best athlete the NBA has ever seen with the biggest vertical in NBA history of 48 inches... Kobe's vertical was 38 inches and he wasn't even close to being the athlete Jordan was... so in reality we have two cars racing, one is a Bugatti (Jordan) and the other is a Honda (Kobe cause he was an average athlete)... so if the Honda loses the race but only by a hair, who drove better? The Honda was supposed to lose the race all along anyway, so isn't it a bigger accomplishment that he came so close than the Bugatti winning a race it was supposed to win anyway?"
When I heard it I thought that it was an absolutely BRILLIANT analogy and a brilliant way to make a case for Kobe as the GOAT...
When the big fundamental retired, so did my interest in the NBA. This is my 3rd time watching this! Love your reactions to NBA videos!
Timmy!!!
If defense was as easy to see in stats and held in higher regard? This wouldn't be a conversation. In that world he beats Bron, Jordan, Kobe, anybody in the debate. The intangibles, the longevity (with the team that drafted him as a bonus), the consistency, the dedication, the awards, he had it all by the ton. I can genuinely say that he would be my #1 pick in any draft, in any league
Hey Matt…I so love your commentary on this great series. So great to see that you show mad respect for all the players in the GOAT conversation. You keep an open mind AND you’re honest and direct. Nice work, Sir…I’m interested in seeing your other videos!
Great reactions, young man, can't express how much I love it when young fans respect the history of the NBA. And it's great when they respect guys who were stars before they were born.
I had no idea Tim Duncan was such a really wonderful human being. Damn! as for where he ranks in the greatest players of all time it sounds like he was a world-class defender a lot like Bill Russell. Cuz the dude said he was maybe the greatest defender of all time. The thing is he was a better scorer than Bill Russell. He could hit outside jump shots. In my mind I'm beginning to rank the top eight players one through eight and I thought I'd put Tim Duncan at the bottom but now I really don't know where to rank him.
Yeah you and I have the same idea about the similarity between Tim Duncan and Bill Russell. now I want to ask you a favor. I've been with you through every one of these videos and I want you to make a video where you just talk to us and tell us where you rank each player one through eight. Then we can make comments down below and we can debate about it. What do you say young man? I think it would be a lot of fun.
@@danrowe1453 I’ll definitely consider that idea, I don’t really like getting controversial with other people cause everyone got their own opinions, and I feel like ranking 1 player over another player would discredit their accomplishments during their time period, but I’ll think about it
Matt go look up the video clip where Bill speaks with Timmy and tells him that he's his favorite player and that they were very similar I think you'll enjoy that as well.
Very true. That was a touching interview, fr fr.
made the playoffs EVERY year of his long career. that is bonkers
I love these reactions man! Keep em coming!
Yessir, this means more than you know frfr🙏🏾
holy shit man i will never argue with anyone that says timmy is the goat
I love these GOAT cases and also I’m so sorry I’ve been inconsistent with the comments
Glad you mess with these bro and it’s all good bro, no worries
I would have sworn I couldn't like Tim Duncan more...
But I think I might actually be in love with the man! Lol
I fucked around and watched it again and all I can say is
Timmy, will you marry me? Lol
Honestly, a great video about a superb basketball player and outstanding human being.
1999 TITLE
2000 knee injury before playoffs
2001 Derek Anderson injury
2002 NO EXCUSE. Lakers were better.
2003 TITLE
2004 .4
2005 TITLE
2006 Dumb Manu Foul on Dirk
2007 TITLE
2008 SHADY Lakers trade for Pau.
2009 Richard Jefferson Era
2010 Richard Jefferson Era
2011 Richard Jefferson Era
2012 NO EXCUSE. Lost to the Thunder.
2013 Failed to make free throws and Allen...
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2015 Chris Paul
2016 Tim trusted LaMarcus... RIP
The spurs were in SERIOUS contention basically every year. Even during the dreaded "Jeffersonian Era", The spurs were the #1 seed twice. If you consider that the spurs would have repeated in 2000 without a Duncan injury, and the Shaq Kobe Lakers would have traded away one of them, it is entirely possible that Duncan should have had more rings than Russell. And that's in the modern Era of basketball when there is actually more than one team.
TD is the greatest.
love ya man... ya just got a new subscriber
Thank you bro, much appreciated fr💯🙏🏾
First, let me say I really liked your video on Bill Russell, brought tears to my eyes at the very end. I'm over 50 years old and unfortunately, never seen Russell or Wilt in their primes (Bill not at all). However, I did see Kareem in his prime and all the other players in the "GOAT" conversation.
My Grandpa and my best friend's dad (the 2 people who I respected the most about knowledge of the NBA) told me a lot of stories about Bill and Wilt. They both said that Bill Russell was the "GOAT" until Larry Bird came into the NBA. Then they both said that MJ is the best individual player, but still was an argument between him and Larry. They also said Wilt was the best winner and leader still, and MJ best individual, but Larry had the most well rounded game when it came to SHOOTING, SCORING, REBOUNDING, PASSING, DEFENSE, LEADERSHIP, CLUTCH play, and making their teammates BETTER.
Not Kareem, Magic, Kobe, Wilt, Lebron, or Shaq was in the "GOAT" conversation. The only other player they mentioned was TIM DUNCAN!
Now their are a lot of media and younger people who push a lot of false narratives. I just started this video and the "Greg Popovich" argument is ridiculous. The fact is, since Duncan left the Spurs, even with Kawhi (one of my favorite players to watch), Tony Parker, Manu, L. Aldridge, and great role players, the Spurs NEVER won anything! When Pop arrived in 1996, the Spurs were my favorite team. I was a huge David Robinson and Dennis Rodman fan. Year after year, the Admiral broke my heart and disappeared in the post season. Literally sitting on the bench and being afraid to check back in and face Hakeem. Rodman went to the Bulls, David had a very bad back injury already, and then fractured his foot. He missed just about the entire 1996-97 season and the Spurs went 20-62. They got the #1 pick and drafted Tim Duncan. Duncan's rookie year, he led the Spurs in scoring, rebounding, blocks and led the Spurs to the BEST single season improvement in NBA history (breaking Larry Bird and Boston's record!). That year, Duncan finished 5th in MVP & 5th in DPOY voting, and made all-NBA & all-defensive 1st teams. Only rookie in NBA history to do this. The only player (since the NBA & ABA merged in 1976) to finish higher in MVP voting was Larry Bird at #4. MJ finished 6th and Lebron finished 8th.
Out of the 19 years that Duncan played, he finished in top 10 in MVP & DPOY (in the same year) voting 12x and top 14 (14)x. At the age of 39, Duncan finished #10 in MVP and #8 in DPOY voting. The next closest player to finish in top 10 (over the age of 35) is MJ, who did it at 35 years and 4 mos. The next closest is Lebron at 33 years old.
Of the top 26 players in Win Shares, only 2 players have played 13 full season or less. Bill Russell is #18 in 13 full seasons, Larry Bird is #26 in 12 full seasons (Tim Duncan is #7 in 18 full seasons).
Every year of Duncan's 19 year career the Spurs either won 50 games or would have if it was a full season. The Spurs NEVER missed the playoffs either. Only Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Kawhi Leonard can say this.
Finally, Greg Popovich was asked after the Spurs made playoffs for their 20th straight season (always being a title contender), what was the "secret to his success"? Pop's answrer...
"TIM DUNCAN!'
Stever Kerr was asked on the TV show Open Court, how he was able to get 5 rings? Kerr's answer...
"Michael Jordan & Tim Duncan"
While Kerr played with and for Phil Jackson, Pippen, Rodman, Admiral, Tony Parker, and Manu, Steve Kerr didn't hesitate for 1 second and only mentioned those 2 players!
P.S. To show how underrated Larry Bird and Tim Duncan were on defense, the players who led the NBA in Defensive Win Shares the most are...
Bill Russell with a ridiculous 11x. #2 on the list is Tim Duncan who did it 5x. Tied for 3rd at 4x are Larry Bird, Hakeem, D. Howard, and Ben Wallace. Wallace won DPOY 4X, Howard 3x, and Hakeen 2x.
...on the NBA's STEALS & BLOCKS per game lists for a career, Larry is ahead of Lebron on both. Larry is #39 and Lebron #71 in steals per game for career, and Bird is #211 and Lebron #241 for blocks per game for career.
To me Tim Duncan is a GOAT and he’s definitely a top 5 NBA player of all time because his accomplishments on the court on offense and defense him not winning DPOY is a robbery, making the playoffs constantly in his career is a miracle. Played for one team and coach show love, loyalty, and respect that’s greatness.
P.S.S. Bill Russell's favorite NBA player (after he retired) was Duncan...just watch interviews!
...also, MJ said Duncan is the player to watch out for in an interview during Duncan's rookie year. In contrast, when Duncan was asked about MJ, he said "I was never that impressed..."
The game is measured in wins and losses and Timmy had a LOT of wins. He's top 3 all time for me.
I have Timmy ahead of Kobe, Shaq, Wilt, and Lebron....
I respect that 💯
My take on why Timmy is my goat, is in the 2013 Finals. If you replace Timmy with his 2003 version, he would absolutely obliterate the Heat even with prime Lebron there.
As a Spurs fan who grew up in this era, I can say Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant were the GOAT’s of this era.
Also side point, that Ray Allen 3 should not have ever happened due to the stupid, corrupt Joey Crawford (the ref who literally hated the spurs and had ejected Tim Duncan for laughing on the bench {the second and last ejection of Tim Duncan’s career}) not calling offensive loose ball fowl on Bosh going for the rebound and literally shoulder checking Manu to the floor.
Kareem was 1st team all NBA in 1986 at age 39, making HIM the oldest 1st team selection ever.
He has a video explaining why Kobe doesn’t have a video. The main points from it: Kobe’s game is extremely similar to mikes, and while great his style is an inferior version of mikes game. Also he says it would feel wrong to crowbar Kobe into the series following his death(the series started before Kobe died) and it would feel like profiteering. But yeah, main reason is his game is too close to michaels and the case can’t really be made that he surpassed Michael
You got watch thinking basketball’s greatest peaks/prime its a great look on why those players were great at their best. The final episode was yesterday with Steph. Its in chronological order of when people played.
Yessir I reacted to episode 1 through 5 already, so I’ll be posting episode 6 today 💯
Has a winning record against every team in the NBA five rings and unlike today's players and shack he wasn't ring chasing.
So glad I live someplace that I can grow legally. Crap like that is never an issue if you've raised it from seed to flower. Just wrong to have concocted chemical compounds being associated with something so natural and simply complex.
some of these comments are so fucking stupid. Obviously tim is in the debate. his teams averaged like 58 wins a season, two mvps, 5 titles. the list goes on and on and on.
and yes, in his prime, he was ABSOLUTELY dominant. thats the part that really gets lost because of how long he played and how good he was even at 38. people assume he was that good his whole career. No, go watch his games in 2001-2005. Best player in basketball during that time. period.
Ay boys not to take anything away from this video, but if u like the goat case series, just leave a like there. Not to take away from this video, but the goat cases are really well made videos and they deserve it. I liked the reaction btw., one of the only reactions I ve watched the whole way.
Much love bro, thank you for watching the way too, it really means a lot fr💯💯🙏🏾
Duncan is better than LeBron he did more with less LeBron had the best teammates of all time in any sports
Dude if Ray Allen missed that 3 Tim Duncan would be the goat he be 6 and 0 never missed the playoffs
While I personally wouldn't include Duncan in the actual GOAT argument (Kareem was better in both college and the NBA, so how can Duncan possibly be better than Kareem?) I think it's likely that he's the best player in NBA history who DOESN'T have a GOAT argument.
that Clippers series was not Duncan's last playoff appearance; 2016 was when they lost to OKC when newly acquired Aldridge shrunk and Duncan had like 25 points his final game. Aldridge was supposed to be in his prime and succeed Duncan, but old Duncan outshined Aldridge, and then retired.
...also in 99' the kobe shaq lakers weren't "newly assembled" that was their 3rd year together..just sayin
But that was the first year they had Glen rice and i think the first year of Phil Jackson and it was the first year Kobe was a real star. So it sorta fits. My timeline might be off haha
Kobe wasn't on the floor a whole lot his first two years and was definitely not the 2nd option at that time. He made the All Star team because he was extremely popular and had a massive amount of potential, and was already doing some moves that nobody had seen yet in an NBA game
@@TRJ2241987 in 99' he was on the floor plenty
Sorry but he my goat..y'all can have who ever y'all want but nobody did it better on and off the court..
I think he said he didn’t do Kobe because Kobe was a copy of MJ
I see, gotcha gotcha
i'd rank all of these guys above kobe too
Don't forget, if Ray Allen missed that shot, it would be timmy and MJ as the only 2 guys to go 6-0 in the NBA Finals
I been saying TIM DUNCAN THE GOAT
Who would I pick if I could pick any player .... Jordan.
Jordan is GOAT.
Jordan couldn’t cast Larry Birds jock strap. In 2 different playoff series against Larry Legend, MJ has NEVER won a single playoff game….EVER. Swept 2 times…lol
Duncan had the least amount of help of any great... He may not be my personal choice at goat but is in my opinion the greatest PF of all time. Can’t make up my mind at PG or C. MJ at SG and Larry Legend at SF.
If i had to rattle my ten off top without much thinking
Jordan,bron,magic,kareem,duncan, bird,kobe,wilt,shaq,curry hakeem or bill.at 10. Just off top. Imight change kobe and bird. Idk. Id probably switch a few if i reallythoughtabout it.but i tbink those are the 10. 5-10 could be rearranged 1-5 is set to me
Nice reaction. TD = >70% win pct. Says it all
Will there be a Bill Russell React?
Already did my guy
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He’s covering steph in his next one
All his making the cases for individual GOAT are done. He already did one on steph being the greatest shooter tho
@@jasonmain6398 he’s doing teams next or I think right now
Yeah, that's what he's doing
Duncan> Lebron
where's the reaction in the video tho?
I will say this: Duncan, Dirk, Jordan....that turnaround, that fadeaway, that jumper...
Wilt. They emulated him.
"im interesterd on why he put tim duncan in this and not kobe" because he already made a video about kobe??
Tim Duncan was amazing with his fundamentals, defense, and really clutch but not even close to The One of the NBA, MJ. There is a handful of Centers Kareem Shaq Wilt Bill that all have better cases imo as being better all time so this is really a kind of recency bias thing... P.S. ...I think Tim is just as good if not better overall than Kobe..
I respect that, I think of Tim Duncan as today’s Bill Russell as well as Kobe as Today’s MJ 💯. It’s literally a torch passed down to them. Basketball is amazing fr
Stats are only like half the greatness of any player of any sport huh..... because if I was building a football team, no doubt Barry sanders is my running back even though he may not be the goat.
GOAT squad
PG earvin magic johnson
SG jordan
SF big bird
PF bill russel
C shaq diesel
such a great list right here. the only switch I might make is Russell to C and Hakeem or Timmy to PF
Lol wut ? Wilt over shaq all day. Fuck Hakeem was better too
Jon Stockton best True PG ever
Yea, Nash or AI for my PG
dude, stop talking
The only thing I don't like in this making the case series is that it doesn't include Shaq and Kobe. He put Wilt in but I feel like he's the one at least debatable putting in the Top ten. That's just my opinion though
Yea I feel that, I feel like Kobe had a shot to be part of the series but I’m not mad at it and I would say Shaq too but after his run in Miami, his career started going downhill to the point he was no longer a contender, but Larry, Wilt, Russell, Jordan, etc were still contenders or in contending shape at the end of their careers
@@yojustmatt I only put in Shaq because he was probably was the most imposing and a match up nightmare. His dominance was cut short I think by being lax on his training and like Wilt there was no other athlete in his time to really challenge him physically besides Hakeem's skill.
@@RaMraM-zm1el Yea, you right about that 💯 we’ll never see dominance like Shaq’s
@@yojustmatt the year tim left the spurs didn't make the playoffs for the first time in like over 10yrs or something crazy.. Tim could flat out ball on both ends.. might have more blocks than any man who never left his feet to swat the ball 😂 didn't have to jump.
Clayton has a video on why he didn’t include Kobe, and it boils down to two things mainly 1) he started this Series close to his passing and didn’t want to essentially capitalise on his death for views
But more importantly the fact that he’s Michael Jordan 2.0 makes it hard to argue he’s the best ever because, well there’s the actual MJ. Like how do you argue the closest thing to MJ is better than MJ?
It’s a shame he didn’t include Kobe, but it is understandable.
My top ten players of all time 1.Jordan 2. LeBron 3. Kareem 4. bird 5. Duncan 6. Kobe 7. Curry 8. Shaq 9.Olajuwon 10. Magic
Sorry Tim Duncan is leaps and bounds better than lebron James yes lebron James played longer and is going to probably play longer just because his ego doesn't mean hes any good if he continues to keep playing, Tim Duncan is one of the only players that play 19 seasons and never have a losing record and for your information even after he retired the spurs had 3 more winning seasons bringing the total to 22 straight winning seasons of 50 or more games lebron never came close or did anything like that that just shows how good Tim Duncan is😎💪
Where's Allen Iverson?
What's this salty discharge coming out of my eyes?
15: 50-15:57 I love this video highlighting the greatness of Time Duncan. But I have to say. This part was pure garbage. It's problematic when people have to resort to dishonesty to elevate other players.
"Has anyone done more with less?" Then he goes on to say that Jordan had Pippen and Rodman for the later half.
>Pippen was on the bench when he first got drafted to the Bulls. And was injured when Jordan won his last ring. Rodman was injury prone before even being drafted to the Bulls and was getting injured DURING the Bulls 3 peat. If anything, Jordan did more with less.
Noticeably poor choice of decision making in that section. Great video otherwise.
We need the Lebron James “The Goat Case” cause let’s be honest he’s the true GOAT OF BASKETBALL!👊🏽🙌🏽🐐👑🎯💯
HAHA! good one
No Tim isn't in the GOAT conversation. He is however in the best power foward conversation.
I'm sorry but the fact that this guy never made a case for Kobe Bryant means that his series is invalid.