Bumpstock Case Update w/ Michael Cargill | Supreme Court Oral Arguments!
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The Bumpstock case is now being heard at the Supreme Court. In this video, Michael takes some time with Eric to discuss.
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The police took my bump stock away when it was still legal..... They seized all my Ar-15...I ended up getting it back but the bump stock😡🥺
The NFA was unconstitutional when it was written and enacted back in 1934. As is the GCA and Hughes amendment that expanded the NFA . It would be great to get it gone. I enjoy the giggle switch guns even though they really don't have much practical use unless a war comes to the homeland which is why they should be protected by the 2A. I am more interested in getting SBR and SBS and suppressors out of the NFA as they have practical uses for home defense and personal defense as you can see because they are used to protect politicians and the wealthy. If it is good for them it is good for every day Americans.
Mob violence is a huge threat to society today more than ever.
Thank you Mr. Cargill.
We gotta keep pressing on. Some just don't understand that "Shall Not Be Infringed" is not up for debate.
Welcome back Eric. You do more good for our community than you are aware. A huge help. Dont get down.
Don’t apologize for taking time for you and your family and your own sanity. Love what you do. I’m new to your material so I’m going through all the archives keep up the great work and content.
Love seeing a post in the morning!
I hope they rule the right way and they say it's an Unconstitutional rule or law they implemented. But I heard the case live and they couldn't seem to get past their hypotheticals and the rate on how fast the bullets came out. I felt like no matter how much your lawyer tried to redirect them to see the real reason of the case, they wouldn't let go the rate of fire.
Those mental breaks are crucial. Great to see you back.
Judge Jackson, a Politician in Rhobes.
glad to see you're prioritizing yourself, that is the true work
Brought my mom and gf to one of Cargill’s beginner firearms classes and I took my CCW class with him - legendary guy
Michael Cargill really stuck his neck out for us. I hope he wins at the scotus but even if he doesn't we owe Cargill (and to a lesser degree his lawyer) a great debt of gratitude for simply trying.
The 2nd Amendment is in REAL trouble when people think Congress is allowed to define what is what because that allows infringement. Plain and simple.
All the antigunners need is for Congress to be thoroughly bought and then the 2nd Amendment can fall, yet that path was never authorized.
Who says Congress can override any Amendment? Then, why is it occurring?
It's occuring because there is a plan to take it away.
The Legislatiors and courts have been eroding the 2a for 80 years. We gained a tiny fraction back but always losing.
I don't know what oral arguments he listed to but his lawyer dropped the ball. I think we're losing this one.
Did you read Cargill's briefs that were submitted to the Supreme Court?
The oral arguments weren’t great, however you only fit so much into an oral argument. Really it doesn’t matter explanations on what constitutes a machine gun or not. That part is irrelevant, what matters is that the ATF approved it for a literal decade before deciding it was one, then not only that they changed a definition of what a machine gun is which they have no authority to do so and they did it using executive orders which isn’t lawful. The executive branch can’t ban anything without a congressional approval. That’s where it will fall apart, whatever the state has to say about it is irrelevant when at its base was done illegally against the separation of powers.
Agreed
Hey do not apologize for taking a vacation. We all need to get away from the grind once in a while. Hope the break was good for you and your health. Too many people cannot or do not take a break to revive their well being.
That said we missed your content.
Glad you're back.
God bless.
If the SCOTUS does their job correctly Cargill should win as the government over stepped their authority with this rulemaking process. They don't rewrite laws as that is Congress's job not a bureaucrat's job.
I think the reason people are criticizing Mr Cargill's lawyer is that he didn't seem to convince enough of the originalist justices that bump stocks do not meet the statutory definition of "machine gun." That's really what the case hinges on. If the justices misunderstand the technical aspects of bump stocks and decide they are "machine guns" per the NFA, then this court does not seem inclined to use the case to overturn the entire NFA or any part of it. I wish they would overturn the whole thing, but that's very unlikely.
What needed to be argued and wasn’t was the takings clause. The government allowed these items to be purchased legally and now wants to take them away without remuneration. This is a violation of our rights regardless of the second amendment’s relevance.
True. Thats a good consideration. Like your channel btw. Answers from scriptures.
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Takings Clause was brought up in oral arguments.
That was in Cargill's petition and was briefly mentioned before the SCOTUS. Not every major arguement is done at oral Arguement.
Good to know. I listened with Jared of Guns and Gadgets and never heard it come up.@@John1911
My biggest gripe with the lawyer is he didn’t even mention the executive overreach or the West Virginia vs EPA and the abuse of Chevron or historical text and tradition that’s a big problem
Glad your back bud! Family and self first
Hey, idk if you are able to send a message to Cargill, but in the brief did anyone bring up that items that fire repeatedly through a 'continuous motion' have been explicitly allowed? The example I bring up is the Gatling gun, which predates machine guns, fires through a constant turn, and the NFA chose not to regulate such things. Even today you can buy them, some older ones without background checks or anything.
I would think that point could be used by Gargill's lawyer to great effect.
Thanks for the updates!😎
The language of the NFA law regarding "machine guns", is very clear. To qualify as a machine gun, the gun must automatically load and fire multiple rounds with ONE function of the trigger. A rifle with a bump-stock installed can only fire multiple rounds if the trigger is functioned multiple times by the deliberate action of the user's opposite hand, pushing the upper receiver forward. Recoil alone does not fire the weapon.
The same can be said of a firearm with a binary trigger installed. One round is fired for each function of the trigger. Backward and forward is two functions... both of them manual.
Even if Congress passes a law banning something firearm related, it still might be ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS. It has to fall within the text, history and tradition as of 1791.
Lol which means all gun control is unconstitutional. You simply bring up the Bruen decision every case.
Hope things are looking up for ya Eric.
I am not surprised that more focus is being put on a perceived
interpretation of the spirit of both the National Firearms Act of 1934,
and the Hughes Amendment of 1986.
The NFA of 1934 didn't ban machine guns from civilian ownership. It
imposed a $200 tax, and registration requirement. Fast forward 52 years
when Congress was about to pass the Firearms Owners Protection Act, Mr.
William Hughes (D-NJ) offered up a last minute amendment to FOPA closing
the NFA registry for new machine guns. This amendment was added by Mr.
Hughes admittedly in efforts to kill the entire FOPA legislation.
Today in 42 states civilians can still own machine guns made prior to
1986. Unfortunately because of the Hughes Amendment those machine guns
are unaffordable due their inflated values. A colt M16 that cost $1000
prior to 1986, is now $30,000+. Some have proposed repealing the Hughes
Amendment which would allow peaceful / responsible gun owners to
registered new machine guns once again under the provisions of the NFA,
and the over reach...... I mean over site of the ATF, Making bump
stocks obsolete!
So the question is why is a bump stock NOT a machine gun?
That answer is simple! If a firearm is capable of bump firing without a
special stock, then it is not the stock that causes the firearm to bump
fire. Installing a firearm that CANNOT bump fire into a bump stock,
that firearm with remain incapable of being bump fired. Bump fire is a
TECHNIQUE, not a device. The device only makes it easier to initiate the
bump fire technique.
Banning the device does not ban a firearms ability to bump fire.
Welcome back man. Seems like the time off was good for ya. 🤘✌️
May the good lord bless you Mr. Cargill. Thank you for fighting for all of our freedoms.
I listened to the whole opening arguments. Contrary to what Micheal said here the opening arguments were terrible for this case. The judges ultimately were looking for any evidence that legislators at the time of the laws creation interpreted the “single function of a trigger” in the mechanical nature that is the sole basis for the pro 2a argument. Unfortunately literally no1 interpreted it that way at the time the law was ratified. In fact every legislator used single function and trigger pull interchangeably. This DESTROYS the pro 2a narrative and it won’t surprise me at all if the ruling that comes down from this has even broader negative implications for binary triggers and anything else.
Where in the world is Chad... Eric?? I wonder about him a lot lately, is he ok?? Best wishes everyone. God Bless.
I came here wondering the same thing.
I think he’s tied up with their new firearms company. I do miss their Gun Gripes. They were good together.
Let’s be clear, the government HAS NO CASE.
They never have a case. Yet they’re always getting rulings in their favor to avoid removing the veil that would display they are authoritarian.
Good people watching this sir ... Keep your head up
Thanks!
Thank u Eric, u always lookout for the lil guy, the new guy, ur videos have helped me tremendously, u are a valuable asset to the public, you deserve more credit, thank you an everyone else for all you have done for us, glad ur back an all is well, have a blessed day ✌🇺🇲💪
Well regulated actually means well equipped and up to date in Ol English' not Gov over reach‼️💯📜 rate of fire isn't the test!
+1 for John Cornyn can GFHS
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Stay frosty 🤙
Great video. I was honestly not expecting to hear the word “penis” when i clicked this video but i digress.😂😂😂
At no point during the oral arguments did the attorney ever actually describe what the function of the trigger is. I understand jackson kept cutting him off but it would have been great if he could have completed his statement.
Very Interesting 👏👏
I hope the most important case of my lifetime is ruling the NFA unconstitutional. This case is important too though.
Excellent
Micheal Cargill will be remembered by gun enthusiasts about the same as the likes of any great patriot before him. God bless you Mr. Cargill!
Nice strategy. It wouldn't be needed if we could just get rid of the NFA altogether considering it's totally unconstitutional on its face.
You're a patriot Mr. Cargill. Thank you for taking this on. And Remember this was all Trump's doing.
Micheal Cargill is Great man... I cannot say how much respect I've got for that guy
Whats funny here, is that they used the "Donations for Legal Defense" as evidence of guilt against Matt Hoover. Makes no sense that they used it that way, but makes me wonder if they will ever use it against Cargill.
Anything new on pistol braces?
Stay free buddy.
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When you disputed whether or not in oral arguments. It simulates automatic fire you lost the case. You lost track of the definition of a single pole and admitted its intention
pole?
Whether or not it “simulates, mimics, is like” all of these terms don’t matter. An AR15 looks like a select fire M4, doesn’t mean it is one lol. The definition is very specific, holding down the trigger for a continuous rate of fire is required. A bumpstock still forces the trigger to reset and if you hold the trigger down on a bumpstock it will just fire one round and won’t continuously fire.
Repeal NFA
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I'm worried about Amy Commie Barret's vote!!
Justice Barrett sounded like a gun Normie during oral argument. Yes she does own a gun but she doesn't think a whole lot about them like those in the 2A Community do.
Michael Cargill's lawyers had a strategy on winning the six conservative justices. I think he tried to focus on them as best he could.
My only hope is that, if we do lose this case, Roberts writes the opinion and writes it very narrowly so as to only cover bump stocks and not other things like pistol braces.
@@FinalLugiaGuardianIt wouldn’t matter what his opinion, they offered no compensation for the property, they have no authority to change definitions, they have no authority to agree with the federal government’s position when the whole thing was illegal to begin with. The executive branch can’t just ban things, if this is allowed to stand you’ll see an executive order banning firearms soon to follow it.
@Michael-ep7oz I agree with you. But the question is, does the Supreme Court?
Do you still work for Moss Pawn?
I am from Texas and I 100% agree John Cornan did compramise! Not in our best intrist.
Good luck Michael.
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The Constitution is literally a list, but not an order of importance... 😂
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Mr Cargill is a hero 🙌 👏
yes, do something about what you are dissatisfied with.ignored a problem is the worst thing you can do. then the others side have right, especially governments
Repeal Hughes amendment
Eric, is that gray hair I see under your hat? While we're on the subject, Walmart sells machine guns in their hardware department.
Dude what is up with the BCG's?
I love the videos where erik draws with his mom. Wish he'd do more of those
I like your optimism, but I still think we got spanked. No focus on how a trigger functions, no rebuttal to the magic black box goofy concept. Could have at least said the button doesn't press itself the users finger would have to. This is going to hurt us on FRT and others... 😞
Not likely, cause you’re focusing on the definition of an item while they are focusing on how the executive branch has the authority to change Congressional definitions and ban things without approval of Congress legislation. You’re looking at the 2A aspect and the case is challenging the separation of powers clause.
@@Mitch_Conner75926- man I sure hope you are right. Thanks for talking me off the ledge. Hoping for a pro 2A outcome in June or sooner!
@@Mitch_Conner75926 listened to the entire oral arguments, not once was it mentioned in question if the ATF had the authority. All that was argued was the textual definition of what congress wrote back in the 30's.
Actually cars provide your right to travel. That is why horse thieves used to get hung.
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Think the law did well. My only question is why didn't he bring up the rule of lenity?
The Supreme Court already knows what the rule of lenity is.
@@jimklemens5018 That's like saying nothing about Chevron should've been brought up in Loper Bright v. Department of Commerce. The 1+ hour of discussion about the ambiguity of "function of the trigger" should be a pretty clear call that the rule of lenity should have weight to this decision. I would think that the attorney would've brought it up specifically in oral arguments, I don't know if there is any references in the briefs.
@@kevos823There’s a lot of references, the whole case is a reference to chevron deference. They used chevron to make the “rule change” to ban it outside of congressional approval. That’s the only way they could do it.
@@Mitch_Conner75926 In regards to Loper Bright or Cargill?
Bruh, your Facebook page needs attention. Badly.
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“america first” trump - the gift that keeps on grifting and taking your rights away.
🙏🇺🇲🔫💯 thank u Eric
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MICHAEL FARTGILL?!?!?! BOOFSTOCKS!?! ATF?!
First?
Your attorney did a horrible job and because of your guys's lawsuit I think we're going to lose all types of rights. Not trying to be mean but I listen to the oral arguments and I'm not on the fence about the Firearms ownership. definitely despise government overreach the government's case dominated yours horrible articulation and they shifted the subject matter in their favor
I watched the oral argument and yes it was bad. I think there is a substantial chance that we lose this case 5-4 with Roberts writing the opinion. My only hope in that instance is that Roberts writes the opinion narrowly so that other items are not retroactively reconsidered and that the rule of lenity must apply.
I think our only hope is that Thomas is able to show Justice Barrett, the gun normie, a quick video illustrating why the bump stock is not a machine gun and that the statute says what the statute says and Congress must change it.
The justices can consider more than what was argued at oral argument. They can also look to what was in Michael Cargill's petition. So perhaps Thomas is able to once again bring up the Rule of Lenity and how the gov violated it.
I agree. Kiss pistol braces goodbye as well
Need to stop wasting time fighting for the work arounds and work on repealing the nfa.
Why doesn't anyone talk about f&r's? The BS case is just BS.
Let us not forget the reason bump-stocks are banned is because of on person: Donald J. Trump.
No excuses. No mercy. No vote.
Enjoy 5 more years of Biden!
We love this mf
Bump stocks, to me, served no purpose but for a range toy. You can just pull the trigger and the mags dump. It was awkward to use and I never really got it. Moving on…I heard the opening arguments and it was really concerning to me to hear some Supreme Court judges trying to understand how bump stocks work.
I’m with you guys on the bump stock case but I’m trans so I’m not 100 percent with you on the can’t tell what a woman is cuzz ik what I was born as but we got to keep respecting each other
Get rid of the serial killer glasses dude. Trying to promote good gun laws and look at you.
Man, I really like this guy! 🫡
Good to see you around Walio🪑!!!
All of those other cases are the entire reason they need to bring up the damn West Virginia vs EPA case we should be attacking chevron deference not just the bump stock