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- čas přidán 13. 10. 2023
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Francis has found a pearl of great price. I pray the same for you 🙏🏼
Yes he has
Amen! I'm praying fir this Haye filled Protestant, too.
That's a Lie
Faith alone? Where does it say faith and include alone ?
This is also coming from love from a fellow a Christian..
If you've read Church history and the Early Church Fathers.. You will see that the Early Christians' beliefs, practices, and authority to teach is akin to what is called the Roman Catholic Church.. Our teachings come from an unbroken lineage through the millenia.. From Jesus then to Peter and the Apostles then all the way up to the current Pope.. Thats why we're confident that our theology comes from Jesus and the Apostles..
The Early Christians have none of your Doctrines now, like sola fide, sola scriptura (which by the way can't be seen in the Bible, whether word for word or in context)..
How confident are you that your denomination is the true Church When it comes from Luther, Zwingly, Calvin, et al..? Which has at least 35,000 protestant denominations now, maybe more.. And all of them claimed to be guided by the Holy Spirit.. If that is the case, then the Holy Spirit must be confused!
You will know the True Church when you look at the Christians in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd,etc. Centuries. The Christians who were witnesses of the Resurrection, who saw Jesus, the Church Fathers who passed on the teachings from the Apostles to their successors, and so on.. What they taught back then is still being taught now and Francis Chan is seeing it unfold, because he's reading the Church History.. Not the Bible alone (which by the way, compiled, translated, made verses, by Catholics). Sooner or later, his eyes will be opened to the True Church.. in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church! A.k.a. The Roman Catholic Church!
"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."
- Cardinal John Henry Newman
Again, with love and concern to you and our fellow Christians.. 💖
When he started endorsing false teachers, I started to have my doubts about him
This is one of the standard Satanist tactics to build up a wolf, false leader, controlled opposition. They come in sane and doing everything that appease is the people. Then, after they have gained trust and followers, only then do they begin to lead the people astray.
So is it faith alone that saves? Or is it believing "faith alone saves" that saves?
I am Catholic and I have faith in the saving and divine mercy that comes only from Jesus. But I also believe that God requires us to repent from our sins. We will fail, He will forgive us, but He does not want us to just believe in Him and go about thinking that since we believe in Him it doesn't matter what we do. He wants us to be new creations, transformed by His grace. I'm not "working my way to heaven" but I realize that a Holy God requires repentance and that repentance takes daily work. It's all over scripture.
James tells us “even the demons believe and shutter.” James 2:19
Repentence is not works.
Living a holy life is not works
It a change in heart
Its a change in life..
By faith alone do not exclude that.
Read Luther 95 thesis plus all other post reformation errors
Chan just seems more interested in unity more than truth. I don't think the want for Christian unity is wrong, but I can't stand and worship with the RCC, the United Methodists, PCUSA, and any other of those who stray from the Word. I don't mind those who may differ on some doctrine, being Reformed myself, I would have no issue worshipping at a Biblically sound Arminian church. Some bridges are just too far, however.
The problem with Biblically sound Arminian Churches is they all seem ( the ones I’ve been in) to drift to progressive,liberal,woke ideology.
Maybe Chan sees something deeper that is both, unity AND truth… Nothing wrong with both…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine, and then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
Why have some “Bridges” strayed so far? When you read the Early Church Fathers and other writings from the early church, who has strayed more? The Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Church were one, holy, universal, and apostolic. The Cannon of Sacred Scripture (The Bible) was compiled by the Catholic Church. Jesus did not come to earth and hand out Bibles to people. He lived and taught His message to those around Him. He established a Church in the Apostles and they verbally taught and lived the teachings of Jesus Christ, our Savior. The further you get from the ancient Church and their successors, the longer the “bridge” gets. Protestants are all over the place on Baptism, Eucharist, divorce even. What does Scripture say about these things, Protestants do not agree on. Some of these are more important than others. Have you read The Didache, written around the end of the first Century or early second Century? It is one example of how early Christians celebrated and some of the concerns these Christian leaders had. I suggest you read the Book of Acts and then read The Didache (which means, “teaching”). Christ’s peace.
Is that not what Jesus demands? Jesus says in his longest prayer in the Bible in the book of John, Father, that they be one as you and I are one. They are over 30,000 different protestant denominations. This is not what Jesus wants. Hear Jesus words again. Father, I pray that they be one, just as you and I are one” Jn 17. This is not about what we want, it is not about us; it is what God wants. We should all worship God how he wants to be worshiped - not our will but His.
Lol Arminians are like next door neighbours to Calvinists. It's basically Calvinism-light. But brothers seem to want to fight more than foreigners.
How timely this is. I just went to lunch yesterday with my pastor and we discussed Frances Chan. He is not too familiar with him at all. My life group leader has decided to study a book by Chan on the Holy Spirit and I have expressed my concerns but seem to be in the minority so I have to buckle up and be prepared to defend biblical truth. ( seems like a theme with me, must be because I listen to good teachers like you)
Keep up he good work.
avoid him he is very close with NAR preachers and the sort
We had to leave our previous church due to this issue. 😕
Hello Brother! Thank you for all you do to enlighten us.
My pleasure
This is to Polite Leader who mischaracterizes the Catholic Church. Pulling out this one statement is a total mischaracterization of the Council’s position. We don’t believe there is a checklist of goods to go to Heaven. God is not an accountant. This is not the Catholic position! Council of Trent precisely lays out the Church’s position on “justification” in Section VI. I’d advise you to read it carefully. It says the soul that has sanctifying grace, which includes the baby that was just baptized, and NOTHING else has the love of God poured into his heart (loves God and neighbor) and truly merits salvation by the virtue of Grace. Period. So, someone like Dismas, the penitent thief on the Cross, repents and is justified in Catholic theology because he had sanctifying grace poured into his soul. Catholic believe Dismas was justified by charity, which is love. The love that God worked in his heart made him deserving and worthy of eternal life. The greatest commandment is love. Nothing he did on his own would ever merit the rewards of eternal life.
Jesus words: “You must be born again”
yup, baptismal regeneration! John 3:5
Amen! Catholics agree. Not all Protestants do. Have a Blessed day : )
@@joker18524
Baptismal regeneration?
@@Shua01
Not all Catholics from what I’ve experienced.
Pulling out this one statement is a total mischaracterization of the Council’s position. We don’t believe there is a checklist of goods to go to Heaven. God is not an accountant. This is not the Catholic position! Council of Trent precisely lays out the Church’s position on “justification” in Section VI. I’d advise you to read it carefully. It says the soul that has sanctifying grace, which includes the baby that was just baptized, and NOTHING else has the love of God poured into his heart (loves God and neighbor) and truly merits salvation by the virtue of Grace. Period. So, someone like Dismas, the penitent thief on the Cross, repents and is justified in Catholic theology because he had sanctifying grace poured into his soul. Catholic believe Dismas was justified by charity, which is love. The love that God worked in his heart made him deserving and worthy of eternal life. The greatest commandment is love. Nothing he did on his own would ever merit the rewards of eternal life.
As part of that inaugural EBC class it has concerned me to see the direction Chan has moved towards.
EBC class?
I miss the little wave you did after you said your name
I'll bring it back!
Pulling out this one statement is a total mischaracterization of the Council’s position. We don’t believe there is a checklist of goods to go to Heaven. God is not an accountant. This is not the Catholic position! Council of Trent precisely lays out the Church’s position on “justification” in Section VI. I’d advise you to read it carefully. It says the soul that has sanctifying grace, which includes the baby that was just baptized, and NOTHING else has the love of God poured into his heart (loves God and neighbor) and truly merits salvation by the virtue of Grace. Period. So, someone like Dismas, the penitent thief on the Cross, repents and is justified in Catholic theology because he had sanctifying grace poured into his soul. Catholic believe Dismas was justified by charity, which is love. The love that God worked in his heart made him deserving and worthy of eternal life. The greatest commandment is love. Nothing he did on his own would ever merit the rewards of eternal life.
Pulling out this one statement is a total mischaracterization of the Council of Trent's position. Catholics don’t believe there is a checklist of goods to go to Heaven. God is not an accountant. This is not the Catholic position! Council of Trent precisely lays out the Church’s position on “justification” in Section VI. I’d advise you to read it carefully. It says the soul that has sanctifying grace, which includes the baby that was just baptized, and NOTHING else has the love of God poured into his heart (loves God and neighbor) and truly merits salvation by the virtue of Grace. Period. So, someone like Dismas, the penitent thief on the Cross, repents and is justified in Catholic theology because he had sanctifying grace poured into his soul. Catholic believe Dismas was justified by charity, which is love. The love that God worked in his heart made him deserving and worthy of eternal life. The greatest commandment is love. Nothing he did on his own would ever merit the rewards of eternal life.
Praise God! There is only one true church. I pray y’all become catholic and follow the sacraments which are all biblical. Prayers for you all! Happy Ash Wednesday and start to Lent!
Amen!
He’s all over the place and there has always been problems with his theology. I’m ashamed to say he went to Master’s Seminary.
You should bring your opinions up in a live debate with Trent Horn. If you really feel that way that is.
I read “ Crazy Love” when it first came out, pretty watered down stuff.
i just converted to the CC. i hope Francis does too, and joins the true Church of Christ.
Amen!
Welcome back brother
Yes, Faith alone! James 2:24!
Hello beloved brother!!! 🙌🏻🙏🏻
Hi dear sister!
Amen.
I was raised in the Catholic Church. It never felt right to me and once my eyes were opened I ran and have never looked back
You didnt run too far. I bet you kept most of our books as your rule of faith…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine, and then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
@@srich7503the Catholic Church is a false doctrine. So yes I ran very far and right into scripture where I belong
@@janproy7956 so if its a false doctrine then how do you know you have the correct books in your Bible? Given what i wrote above and what history lays out there is no other way.
@@srich7503 by Apostolic Authority. The primary criterion for acceptance into the canon was authorship by an apostle. Refer to John 14:26
@@janproy7956 Apostolic Authority commands you to remain in the Catholic Church. Remember that when there was a dispute over whether or not Gentile Christians needed to be circumcised, the Church assembled at Council to resolve the matter (cf Acts 15). What the Church ruled was binding upon all believers, so those who continued to command circumcision were condemned as heretics, even though, by Scripture Alone, they would be right.
My wife and mom, are Catholic. Pray for them so the scales will fall from their eyes and they can see the true, Biblical, Gospel.
You must pray, “In the name of Jesus, I command all spirits that block understanding to depart from my parents, and to release their minds immediately. God desires all people to turn from evil and turn back to God. And truth come from hearing. So all spirits that prevent them from hearing the gospel-GET OUT. Go and never return.” Pray also God will send people to preach to them, pray God give them a hunger for the scriptures, to read it. (That is how I got set free from catholicism. Attended mass one week, read Bible next Sunday-quickly saw the RCC teaches a message almost polar opposite to Jesus.) Demons block their minds. You must put them under your heal. Strike the head of the serpent!
@1865Cowboy or @KJKP - which true Biblical non-Catholic Gospel are you speaking about? Is it the ones that believe infant baptism is salvific or the ones that do not? Or full immersion or not? Is it the Liberal Evangelical version or the Conservative Evangelical version? Could it be a Calvinist or Armenian or the Anglican viewpoint? Those that believe in woman ordinations or same sex marriages? Lord’s supper symbolic or sacramental? The once saved always always saved group or the not? Should women keep silent in church or speak and is this with or without their heads covered? Maybe Mormons, JWs, SDA’s, Christadelphians, or the Oneness Pentecostals position as they too preach from the same bible also??? Surely you cannot think all these positions are acceptable. If not then which one is correct and why do you get to be the one to choose? Is yours the infallible one? If not then who really cares?
My Mom and my neighbor also “got set free” from Catholicism after reading the Bible form themselves. My mom is now a JW and my neighbor is a Mormon because “they know better now”. 🤷🏽♂
@@srich7503 that’s why scripture says “ narrow is the gate” and “many are called, but few are chosen”😿😿 I don’t understand it myself, so I can’t expect anybody else to understand it. I don’t understand why things that are so clear to me, are completely mud to other people. I believe the Holy Spirit leads the “few”, and the “chosen” to the truth✝️ It gives me no pleasure to know that so many people will be lost, despite our best efforts. It is not in our hands… God makes the decision. I to have friends and family that are Catholic, and one even converted to Judaism when she got married. All we can do is plant the seed, and pray for the Holy Spirit to water it 🙏🙏🙏
@@gloriastreet4684 😆 your “I dont understand why things are so clear to me, are completely mud to other people” is the exact phrase my mom uses. 🤣🤣🤣
The fact remains that there are thousands of sects/denoms using our book, the Bible, as their rule of faith and not agreeing with each other and saying “the Holy Spirit is with them”. SO, since yall “dont understand” i now ask…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine, and then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
@@srich7503 God is solely responsible for scripture. He used men to compile it, the same way he used men to write it. The “church” is exactly the same as it was when Jesus walked the Earth. No man can alter God’s word. “Religions” have been Satan’s greatest tool… he uses God’s name to lead people astray😿 He always has, and he always will… Until Jesus comes and puts and to it
Greetings, My Dear Brother in Christ! Thank you for all of your efforts to stay true to and spread the Gospel. I am a recovered Roman Catholic, and everything you say is true about the RCC. I think Dr. John MacArthur put it very well when he said that there ARE true believers in the RCC and that they would be saved in spite of the church (not because of the church). I still have family trapped in Rome, and trying to witness to them is nearly impossible because they blindly believe the Magisterium and won't read the Bible for themselves. Please, Brothers and Sisters, pray for Catholics and all those trapped in false religions. Thank you, and God Bless You, Alan, and all here.
It is encouraging to hear there are missionaries in Rome, and an Evangelical Seminary 😊.
Calvinization indicates they are unlikely to change. The power of Jesus is their only hope.
I believe there are Calvinists that are saved, despite their false doctrine.
If they told Jesus they place their full complete faith in him, @@mikem3789 , then that would be between them and Jesus. Otherwise, sadly, unlikely.
@@mikem3789keep reading the Bible and the truth will dawn on you. Take a look at Isaiah chapter 10,is this the God of Scripture you love?
Francis Chan is a fake Christian. (Cf1John 2:19).
Probably because he knows something too hard for Protestants to digest…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine, and then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
@@srich7503 Very simple explanation. God used that "church" at a specific time, for a specific purpose, and now that purpose is gone. Take a look at the Catholic Church and what it has become (not to mention the numerous atrocities it has, and still commits). It's a Globalist puppet of the Antichrist from the Pope on down.
What is a fake Christian?
@@srich7503 Romanism is christianized satanism. Learn real history.
Ty!
If Francis Chan has accepted Jesus as his savior, he is saved. If he is choosing another gospel than that which Paul teaches under the inspiration of God, Jesus will deal with him. I don't care what his form of false ideas are, I pray for the salvation of anyone who truly seeks after God (because the Father through the Spirit is drawing them) to the true repentance and relationship provided through the cross of Jesus. I may not have said it right, I pray for the lost.
I appreciate your posts, usually. If any man is teaching a false gospel, he is anathema. That's what God's word says.
I’ve known (or known of) Francis for decades. He was a popular guest speaker at a church where I ran lights and sometimes sound.
He’s a beautiful person, with a genuine guileless quality about him.
But from the beginning, he’s been a very emotional-driven teacher, not much of a scholar.
So yeah … he’s going to go Catholic.
Nice content as always, Alan!.. but this time the sound of your mic is smaller? I use my phone watching it and use the full volume but the sound is not as loud as the chan's clip
Thanks. Will check on that.
Amen
Where does the Bible say by faith “alone” ?
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. , The Gospel of John. Believe is used 99 times for salvation. Works is used 0
@@aramanaod it also says in Ephesians 2 that are saved in Jesus Christ for good works , what if we aren’t doing good works ?
@@godtalk9645 Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
That's after you are saved and they are God's works, not our works. Whatever those are or whatever they look like it and whatever age they occur will not be of ourselves.
Since works don't save God has no expectation on the flesh.
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
The point is that if you do works, but do not have Christ, then it is meaningless. The term “faith alone” is found in Sacred Scripture, but not how some Protestants say that it is. The problem is that many Christians (Catholics included) will take one line in the Bible and use it as proof text, rather than read the Bible and understand it as a whole. When it comes to the topic of Salvation, Catholic Christians and Protestant Christians sometimes use the same terminology to mean different things. What is the difference between “salvation,” “justification,” and “sanctification” for example. These all have to do with Salvation. But, the important thing is that Jesus is at the heart of all of these. Works are a part of it, but if anyone thinks they can work their way into Heaven on their own merits, they are mistaken. Sometimes this is lost in the arguments between Catholics and Protestants and even Protestants and Protestants, who do not all agree on such matters. Faith in Jesus is first and foremost. If you attend a Catholic Liturgy, the first half is centered around God’s Word. The second half is centered around Christ in the Eucharist (the gift of His very self). At the end of the Sacred Mass, we are all called to go out into the world and live out our relationship with Christ, loving others and sharing the good news. “Thanks be to God!”
Condemned crowd? Who made you God to deem a crowd condemn someone to hell?
I've seen troubling things from Chan before, but I didn't see anything wrong in the clip shown here. If anything, it sounded like he was giving them good warnings on not expecting to be hearing well done good and faithful servant based on their works, rather if you go and boast in or rely on that He will say depart from me...I am in many situations where I need to witness to Catholics so it's tough and I pray for them.
Thank you for the prayers. Please be mindful that there are works you use today we are not boastful of…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine, and then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
@@srich7503you are completely wrong about the history and development of the bible.
@@krakoosh1 History is history. No one can change it. Read the writings of the church fathers or dont. I really dont care but you cannot hide from history no matter how much it hurts.
Who is preaching the true Gospel? Let's compare teaching on justification of the Reformers and of the Catholic Church with what Scripture says:
(1) According to the Reformers justification is by faith alone and is therefore instantaneous. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, teaches that justification is on-going process that includes faith and sanctification. Which one is scriptural?
The phrase "justified by faith" appears four times in New Testament (Rom. 3:28, 5:1, Gal. 2:16, 3:24). New Testament was written in Greek and the one in Rom. 3:28 is written in Greek passive present tense while the rest are in Greek passive aorist tense. Both tenses do NOT indicate once for all justification. If Scripture teaches faith-alone justification, then the Holy Spirit would inspire Paul to write the phrase "justified by faith" in Greek passive perfect tense. According to Scripture God saves us or we are saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8) and through sanctification (2 Thes. 2:13). Salvation, according to Scripture, is a process. If salvation is a process, then so is justification because before justification comes before salvation.
(2) According to the Reformers through faith alone justification we are counted as righteous based on alien/external righteousness of Christ imputed on us, while we remain sinner at the same time. They taught that we enter heaven based solely on what Christ did on the cross. According to the Catholic Church through on-going justification we are made righteous through infusion of righteousness of God in us through Christ. We cannot be righteous and sinner at the same time. Catholics believe we enter heaven based on what Christ did on the cross AND what He (and God) does in us, that is He transforms us from our unrighteous state to righteous one.. Which one is scriptural?
Scripture says we are made righteous through Christ (Rom. 5:19). Eze. 33:12 says (ESV): “the righteous shall not be able to live by his righteousness when he sins.” - or we cannot be righteous and sinner at the same time. Why being made righteous through Christ is essential for our salvation? Death is the wages of sins (Rom. 6:23). It is righteousness that delivers from death (Pro. 10:2, 11:4). Whoever is steadfast in righteousness will live (Pro. 11:19, ESV). Jesus said in Mat. 25:46 that the righteous shall go to eternal life. In Gen. 15:6 what was counted (Hebrew verb חָשַׁב, Strong H2803) to Abraham for righteousness is faith, affirmed by Paul in Rom. 4:3. But what was counted (the same verb חָשַׁב) for righteousness to Phinehas in Psalms 106:31 was not faith but what he did as described in verse 30 (in more detail in Num. 25:7-8). Therefore, according to Scripture having faith is not the only source of our righteousness. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he [Christ] is righteous (1 Jo. 3:7).
(3) According to the Reformers through faith alone justification we get Christ’ righteousness imputed/counted on us while all our sins (past, present, and future) are imputed/counted on Christ who already paid the penalty of those sins on the cross. Christ’ righteousness, being imputed on us, does not become ours and our sins, being imputed on Christ, do not become His. According to the Catholic Church through justification we get God’s righteousness infused in us through Christ, and our sins (past, present, and future) must be forgiven or washed away through Sacraments instituted by Christ, provided we have chance to take those Sacraments - God can forgive sins without Sacraments because He is not bound by them. Which one is scriptural?
Eze. 18:20 says (ESV) “The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.” This verse plainly says that neither righteousness nor wickedness can be imputed or counted from one to another. We cannot avoid sinning and what we are supposed to do is stated in Eze. 33:14-16 (ESV) “Again, though I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ yet if he turns from his sin and does what is just and right, if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, not doing injustice, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the sins that he has committed shall be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he shall surely live.” Thus, whenever we sin, in order to get our righteous state back, we need (1) to turn ways from sin (repent) and (2) to do what is just and right (known as penance in the Catholic Church).
(4) According to the Reformers when we die and stands before God for judgement (Heb. 9:27) He let us enter heaven because He won’t be able to see our sins being hidden under perfect righteousness of Christ. God punished Christ on the cross for our sins because He was not able to see His sinlessness being hidden under our sins. According to the Catholic Church when we die and stands before God for our judgement, He let us enter heaven if we die in righteous state, made possible by grace. Christ willingly offered Himself to die on the cross to atone our sins - God did not punish Him for our sins. Which one is scriptural?
Scripture says in Pro. 17:15 (ESV): “He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD.” Double imputation of the Reformers makes God do abomination! Christ’ atonement is prefigured in the Old Covenant in yearly atonement made by the High Priest. According to Leviticus 16 once a year the High Priest chose one of two goats as sin offering to atone the sins of all Israelites (Lev. 16:8-9). That goat will be sacrificed (Lev. 16:15) and its blood sprinkled upon the mercy seat. The sins of all Israelites were imputed on the second goat, which was not sacrificed but released to the wild (Lev. 16:21-22). Christ is both the High priest and the victim (the first goat) of the New Covenant (Heb. 4:14, 9:11-12). While He died to atone our sins on the cross, our sins are not imputed on Him, just like the sins of all Israelites are not imputed on the first goat in Lev. 16:8-9. Scripture says in Heb. 9:22 (ESV): “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins”.
Rather than share my own thoughts I thought I would take this opportunity to share some of Francis Chan‘s own thoughts.
Not only does he give shade to another gospel of another Christ, one that has no power to save… But he himself believes he IS God. He teaches a peculiar version of the little gods doctrine.
He says -
“….just like I wouldn't dare ever refer to Jesus as just an ordinary guy none of us would - are you kidding me? He was a man and somehow he was god all at once….you can't call him ordinary but don't you understand? That's what he's saying about us now. Like right now you're looking at a person who is not just a person,
and somehow god is in me and there's a sense in which I am a god and man all at once.”
You can find this snippet from August 11, 2020 - on the Fighting for the Faith channel with Chris Roseborough. The episode is titled -
“Francis Chan says he’s both God and man”
Francis Chan claims he is both God and man. So what Francis Chan wants us to take away from that - is that he is Jesus. This is another gospel, and another Christ, that he is proclaiming. This is blasphemy.
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That's a pretty huge stretch, stating he claims to be Jesus. You are defining his words out of your own heart. I didn't read it that way at all.
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Feel free to read into it however you like. He can’t hide behind his words. His beliefs that he’s stated are most certainly consistent with the small gods doctrine that he believes and teaches.
It’s no stretch when someone claims that they’re both God and man to assume that they’re saying they are Jesus. He certainly made the claim in his own words that Jesus is saying that we are God and man. How are we supposed to interpret where Francis Chan claims “I am a god and man all at once. “?
Who is that referring to? There’s only one person who fits that description. Jesus.
Before you slander me and accuse me of stretching the truth, you should probably investigate these things based on what Francis Chan has actually said.
I recommend going to visit fighting for the faith - and go see for yourself. I’ve added nothing to it. The fact that you want so desperately to defend his own words and read into them the way you’d like to read into them - just demonstrates to the world your willingness to submit to this kind of folly.
@@fredthe47th
I just quoted him.
1)How is that putting words into his mouth?
I’m sure you disagree with what he says otherwise you wouldn’t be railing against me with accusation in trying to defend him as though he wasn’t somehow saying that.
And you can certainly dislike what he’s said… Because it militates against God‘s word in scripture. But don’t jump down my throat just because you find offensive what Francis Chan said himself.
2)Reread through his words, and
give me one interpretation of what he said.
4)How am I supposed to understand what his quotation means when he says -
“…..you're looking at a person who is not just a person, and somehow god is in me and there's a sense in which I am a god and man all at once.”
5)What does Francis Chan mean When he says that he’s “not just a person”?
6)What does Francis Chan mean when he says “I am a God and man all at once”?
I will happily take correction if I’ve done anything wrong. Please have the integrity to show me my faults, otherwise you’re just maligning my character with your slander and this is sinful.
7)Quote me where it is that I’ve “put words into his mouth” as you have just claimed. Please substantiate your claim.
8)Who is the only one who is God and man?
Riddle me that Batman.
9)Does anyone else fit with that title?
Please be ready with answers unlike the last fellow who didn’t even bother respond when I answered his allegations, but rather he dipped out of the dialogue because I called him on his disingenuous assertion.
I don’t believe it’s too much to ask to just be consistent now and give me your interpretation of what Chan said, and then we’ll see who’s putting words in his mouth.
I quoted him Word for Word and then gave insight into what he is teaching. If you would like to defend the little gods doctrine, you’re more than welcome to attempt to do so. But it’s patently false and unbiblical. You are certainly entitled to the wrong opinion. But don’t get angry and sin just because mine happens to be right.
Don’t back down now, you’ve made your claim and slandered me so let’s see if you can maintain being consistent with your slanderous accusation.
Furthermore, you claim that I am “the one who is reading in things however (I) like.”
10)Please demonstrate where I did this. Once again please quote me and show me my error.
If you can’t even do that, please have integrity to repent for falsely accusing me like you just did.
@@jeremiahyeo5863 Dude, he simply stated that God & Jesus are within him and so he feels as though he is one with them; as God and man. Feeling God and being god are two totally different things.
I was never concerned with Faith and works when i was a catholic, what bothered me was the praying to mary and saints for forgiveness and help. If you read the bible you will not find faith without works this is only taught in Pauls writings. James talks about faith without works is dead, Jesus judges the churches in Revelation according to their works, the gospels show Jesus teaching people to repent and to do works for people.
Hope so!
faith alone is a false doctrine, see James 2:24 for correction
I was a protestant but after studying the Bible along with history books and reading the early church fathers I became a Catholic. Scott Hann, steve Ray and Sam Shamoun has been enriching me by watching their videos. I am now fully convinced that Catholic church alone is the church. The rest are church-wanna-be
Amen!
Christ’s work on the cross is the only thing that saves. The doctrine of Purgatory is the most pernicious. God gave his only begotten Son to die for your sins from the foundation of the earth. He is the last sacrifice. To say that a polluted sinner has to pray or do some work to buy your way into heaven is blasphemous.
I will pray that you read the Bible and find the truth. I am a Catholic, I am not wicked nor blasphemous. Are you a theologian? How many years have you studied theology? Please seek the truth and you will find it. God bless you.
Well put Alan
Is there a series on RoCath upcoming?
God gave us free will to choose, and by choosing, is your work, To accept God‘s grace. Otherwise, we are all robots and cannot choose. Let’s not forget faith also involves action. In the book of James, it’s clearly states that faith without works is useless.
I pray Francis Chan enters the Catholic Church!
I stand against Rome and their false Babylon religion.
You do know the Apostle Peter and Paul were in Rome. I believe they are buried in Rome. You need to stop reading Chic Tracts and Rapture-Fiction. God bless.
This was Francis's first time preaching with Catholics, so how are we getting all these comments here condemning him? To me he seems to be speaking the truth as lovingly as possible. He has never minced words and doesn't hold back the sincere Gospel of truth. What's going on here??? Time to unsubscribe???
Get behind me, Satan! There is no Christianity except the Catholic Church, which alone was founded by the Lord Jesus Christ.
He is one of the men who is the main reason I don't subscribe to the osas idea. He at one time preached good doctrine, but of his own devices has been led astray.
You are ignorant of the Catholic Faith. I find it amazing that you trust the Bible you read, but can't trust the Church to interpret that scripture.
Francis escaped the trappings of the megachurch to start a house church movement, only to abandon that and embrace the industrial machinery of Roman Catholicism. By this time nest week, he will be Jewish.
Ignorant
And now, sir, I ask you by what authority do you say these things?I assume you would say.Your authority comes from Jesus.Well, I say to you Jesus gave you nor I.Any authority he only gave it to the apostles and their successors period delve into history.I tell you
don't know mr Chan do Know JESUS ----- every Disciple suffered following JESUS !
I know some Catholics and they're not bad blokes...
One thing Catholics have that many evangelicals lack is reverence. Jesus is not my "buddy" or "pal."
Chan might have good stuff to say, but I disagree with his hell abolition stance. Tread carefully, listener.
Catholics do have a reverence for God. But they let church tradition and an unbiblical devotion to Mary get in between a real relationship with God the Father through His Son Jesus.
Did you tell Jesus you place your full complete faith in him.?
It's reverence, or something like it. More directed to the components and policy of the organization than to God. And like you pointed out, that statue worship is no reverence to God what so ever, @@mikem3789
@@mikem3789 Yeah, sad.
I know a Catholic lady who carries a lot of guilt. She can't ask for forgiveness from God directly, but needs a priest as a broker for absolution. She can't face the priest because she is ashamed.
I don't see forgiveness in the Bible requiring a middleman.
@@user-im9ov9ud7m Of course. He is Lord and I don't put myself on the same footing as Him.
lol. Yoir ignorance is off the charts
Polite Leader. You parrot the same onbjections that protestant revolutionaries invented 500 years ago. There are thousands of Protestant preachers coming home because they are being intellectually honest. Can tou at leastvyry to be intellectually honest a fair with rhe Catholic Church instead of takung such ignorant jabs?
I was honest.
@PoliteLeader no, you are not. It is visible by the choice of words you use for Catholics. Additionally, a truly sincere person, in their search for truth, would be equally critical of all sides, and an intellectually honest petson would first ensure that his objections were based on truth. That is the crux of the matter, that your initial objections are based on lies that are repeatedly told about the Catholic Church. IF you were an honest person, you would first investigate the claims made against the Catholic Church to see if these are true. How? Well, you got to Catholic sources. Trying to learn about Catholicism by going to Protestants is a silly as trying to learn about Lambourghinis by going to Chevy dealerships. It's just dumb.
Anyway, God bless you. I hope and pray that you come to see the Truth.
I've listened to hours of Roman Catholic apologists (Tim Staples, Trent Horn, etc.). I'm not merely going to Protestants alone. If my objections are based on lies, you should be able to point them out.
@@PoliteLeader I did. They are in your initial post. God bless you.
He is whatever false teacher or convert he is talking to
If he is talking to a Catholic then he's Catholic
Mormon to Mormon
Ultra charismatic to ultra charismatic and so on and so forth
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine, and then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
You forgot the Jewish Church.
How blind...The Blessed Lord said not all who call him Lord or work miracles in His name shall enter the Kingdom...simply because they did not feed Him in the hungry or visst Him when He was seek... If you dont have works you have no part with Christ..i wonder how you Faith alone fuys missed it
The man who made this vdieo doesnt even look happy one bit...
They teach so much idolatry
David Platt, another Masters graduate who went off the rails
I Believe the only reason a follower of Jesus Christ should be in roman catholicisim is to get precious beloved Out.
Okay? If it were not for the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Christian Church, you would not have ever heard of Jesus. The ancient Church (successors of the Apostles) went around, sharing the teachings of Christ with the world. St. Peter, as well as St. Paul were in Rome. They might even be buried in Rome. It was the Early Church Councils that compiled and determines which manuscripts were believed to be inspired and which were not. If you go to a Catholic Liturgy every day for three years, you will hear 71.5% of the New Testament and about 13.5% of the Old Testament (which is more than you will hear proclaimed in most Protestant Churches). In addition, we, line Protestants are encouraged to attend weekly Bible Study (I belong to a small men’s group that meets every Thursday night to study God’s Word and Pray together). You will hear from Protestants that Catholics used to lock away Bibles from the people, but do you know why Bibles were locked up during those times? It isn’t what some Protestants claim. Bibles were not cheap in those days. They were not mass-produced like they are today. Someone had to commission for a Bible to be transcribed. This took time and was not cheap. Some Bibles today are made cheap (as in quality), but you can get a nice Bible today as well. The best Bible is the one that you’ll read. Have a Blessed day.
2 Corinthians 5:10, Mathew 16:27, Romans 14:12, revelstions 22:12, etc. your heresy is leading you to damnation. Your faith will be judged by your actions. Protestantism is of the serpent.
All Roman Catholic infants who are baptized are saved in virtue of the regeneration and faith they receive therein.
Indeed. It is Jesus working in is. The Orthodox (second lung of the ancient Christian church) Baptize, give first Holy Communion, and Confirm Babies (the three Sacraments of initiation). Most Catholic Churches spread these gifts out throughout the life of a young Christian (unless an adult, then you receive all three at Easter vigil). If you have never been to an Easter vigil, or the Holy Triduum, I invite you. The Scriptures come alive during these celebrations. Have a Blessed Day.
Yes$$$ definitely catholic
Fun Fact: Small “C” catholic means “universal”.
This man doesn't know the scriptures or the power God. Romans 10v10 it was never in his heart.
pity your soul.. 😢
Double predestinatikn is a blasphemous abhirrent wicked syste...nit even accepted by mist oritestants
Sorry my friend, but you are clearly confused about what the Catholic Church believes. I've taken several master level theology courses and I know what the Church believes.
@Shawn-nq7du Hi Shawn. I don't think I'm confused. You did not point out where I was confused, so I can't really interact.
@@PoliteLeader I know you are confused on the position on what the Church teaches on grace and works. It always best to talk from a position of knowledge, not hearsay. Your video is very misleading on the Church’s position. It is wise to know a teaching before one attacks it.
@Shawn-na7du Council of Trent: CANON 9: “If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.” Again, I ask. Where am I confused? Simple assertions and accusations will not do.
@@PoliteLeader Pulling out this one statement is a total mischaracterization of the Council’s position. We don’t believe there is a checklist of goods to go to Heaven. God is not an accountant. This is not the Catholic position! Council of Trent precisely lays out the Church’s position on “justification” in Section VI. I’d advise you to read it carefully. It says the soul that has sanctifying grace, which includes the baby that was just baptized, and NOTHING else has the love of God poured into his heart (loves God and neighbor) and truly merits salvation by the virtue of Grace. Period. So, someone like Dismas, the penitent thief on the Cross, repents and is justified in Catholic theology because he had sanctifying grace poured into his soul. Catholic believe Dismas was justified by charity, which is love. The love that God worked in his heart made him deserving and worthy of eternal life. The greatest commandment is love. Nothing he did on his own would ever merit the rewards of eternal life.
Pulling out this one statement is a total mischaracterization of the Council’s position. We don’t believe there is a checklist of goods to go to Heaven. God is not an accountant. This is not the Catholic position! Council of Trent precisely lays out the Church’s position on “justification” in Section VI. I’d advise you to read it carefully. It says the soul that has sanctifying grace, which includes the baby that was just baptized, and NOTHING else has the love of God poured into his heart (loves God and neighbor) and truly merits salvation by the virtue of Grace. Period. So, someone like Dismas, the penitent thief on the Cross, repents and is justified in Catholic theology because he had sanctifying grace poured into his soul. Catholic believe Dismas was justified by charity, which is love. The love that God worked in his heart made him deserving and worthy of eternal life. The greatest commandment is love. Nothing he did on his own would ever merit the rewards of eternal life.
The Catholic Church takes the onus from JESUS and puts it on mary,
Their appointed saints,and their blasphemous dogmas.
JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY!
I am Catholic and I could tell you that is absolutely not true. Mary holds a very important role in salvation history, but she is not God.
Faith is the only unique thing we can give Jesus.
Calvinization steals the unique-ness.
The statue and bead organization pollute devotion to Jesus, by their policy and procedure. How the guy highlighted in the vid got so popular is a mystery.!
Because he used to be a true and solid teacher. I hope he will get back to that
Save it to yourself....i don't know why i am listening to you...
Because I speak the words of truth and soberness.
Your kind of truth is destorted.
There are only 4 Gospels in the Bible none written by Paul.
And Paul gave his life to both teach and protect the Gospel
Just to clarify, when protestants say "The Gospel" we don't mean the 4 books Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. We are referring to the message of salvation therein, of which there is only one.
As Jesus said in Mark 1:14-15:
Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” ❤
You're equivocating on the term Gospel.
Romans 1. 1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for *the gospel* of God- 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life[a] was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power[b] by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
- Paul was set apart to peach the Gospel - the good news or message of salvation from sin and death by grace through faith alone in Christ alone. The entire book of Galatians lays out the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, which Paul preached, and anathematizes any who add human meritorious actions to the finished work of Christ in salvation.
Surely you know of this use of the term "gospel?" You cannot be that unfamiliar with the scriptures.
Gospel is the teaching of Jesus. If Paul is broadcasting what Jesus taught, then goood.!
It's the reason you let Jesus know you place your full complete faith in him, @@woshjales , that you believe what he accomplished and çontinues to accomplish.
Amen