2006-09 Big Ron Manager - When Big Ron Went Iffy
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- Filmed in December 2005, and aired on Sky TV the following September, disgraced ex-manager and pundit Ron Atkinson is given an opportunity to rebuild his reputation in the game in the "Big Ron Manager" programme, where he drops in to, errr.... help football managers in trouble. Considering the racist comments that saw him banished from TV screens in the first place, it was perhaps more than coincidental that Atkinson ended up consulting rookie boss Iffy Onuora at Swindon - thankfully (even despite the Town's relegation at the end of the season), the plug was pulled - Ron and the cameras ending up at Peterborough.
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Big ron offering advice while sat in a deck chair in barbados sipping on a coffee lol legend
Massive pisstake! How can you give advice sat on a beach drinking cocktails without being on the training ground or in the stand during a game! No wonder he got told to 'do one'!
The original Ron manager
Ron the Don
What a wanker.
@@SPRFHAEW He wasn't giving advice. He followed the game and then offered to try and use his old friends network to bring in players who might scores some goals. It wasn't as if he was calling Iffy and telling him to change the formation, or make substitutions.
I love these fly on the wall football docs, thanks pal and keep em coming.
thank u very much for shared this !!!!
Iffy was the wrong coach to experiment with - too inexperienced to have the self confidence to deal with Big Ron
Wild Boar nah bollocks, nothing to do with experience. There’s a clear and obvious reason why Iffy was chosen and given Ron’s approach to the experiment along with his clear “I’ve apologised enough” attitude, I don’t blame Onura for being hesitant.
Negative and out of his depth, no wonder he failed 🤷♂️
Insecure as well.
Seems to me he had more that enough self confidence in recognising the poisoned chalice Ron was offering him and chucking him out on the Trumpesque arse.
Farting in a lift is less awkward than a Iffy and Ron partnership!
Ain't it just!!!!
In the case of both Swindon and Peterborough, the real motive for them agreeing to be in the programme was to gain cheap publicity for the football clubs, with the knock-on effect of generating more revenue. Ron was just a paid puppet in this game - in reality, his presence was never going to arouse anything other than suspicion and insecurity amongst the managers and coaching staff. Despite what Barry Fry claims, Ron being at both clubs ended in failure.
Ron is a FALIURE hes not worth our texts hes a high roller on big spending on his own luxury ...hes never been a good boss ...only ARROGANCE
If I was a rookie manager I’d love help from someone who had 50 years experience regardless of the Cameras . Anything you can learn to make yourself better is invaluable
A bit disrespectful of Ron to go on holiday while he’s being paid a mint to help a club survive tho
If you were a rookie manager trying to keep a club in the division you probably don’t need some guy on the beach giving you ‘advice’ whilst knowing that if you pulled off an escape it would be seen as his achievement….not yours.
Nah disagree- totally undermined Iffy.
@@TheAashiq786 ron the don
which, in the wash, was the best thing for Iffy. Absolute boneheaded, unfounded arrogance for him.
Christ, I thought Bleasdale was paranoid and resistant.
Iffy didn't even want to LOOK at Ron. His loss.
Only one word for that kind of stupidity, arrogance.
Funny how both Swindon's and Peterborough's results dipped when Ron jumped aboard.
No manager needs to be undermined by being second-guessed by a tactless, petulant, former manager too toxic to get his own stomping ground.
It was big Ron that was at Bleasdale to play a 4-4-2, and that was what started the argument that led to him resigning
Might have something to do with racist comments Ron made about Marcel Desailly
How can anyone give Iffy stick about this? The man didn't want his job turning into a circus. Fair play to him cos it didn't go too well for Peterborough.
The current Peterborough owner who has overseen the most successful period in their modern history, getting them as high as fighting for the playoffs in the Championship, bought the club off the back of that documentary.
It couldn't have gone better for them...
Arrogant and inexperienced no mark as a Manager, he deserved all he got.
You can understand why a manager wouldn’t want the cameras around... As good as it was to see behind the scenes of a football team but Ron himself would never accept some of the things he tried to do to Bleasdale or Iffy and once he’s around the place you can understand why a young coach would get insecure as they were clearly being undermined.
Agreed, it was never going to end well.
I think Iffy misread Ron's intentions but you can understand why he felt undermined. I also agree with Onuora what he said about Atkinson recruitment wise. Just ringing up Bryan Robson and asking him what his got just because his your mate isn't really gonna cut it and is quite lazy tbh.
Cracking soundtrack...Massive Attack, DJ Shadow, The Departure.
....and propellerheads.
82yo now. Dying breed this type of man.
Lee Peacock's barnet was a disgrace!
I think Iffy misunderstood Ron's intentions and help.
Big Ron never actually apologized, he just said he signed black players....that's nothing. If I was the manager of a club I would be put out too. I'm with Iffy.
This guy makes Bleasdale look like Brian Clough haha
Let’s be honest, if I’ve got someone trying to offer me advice from a deck chair or a golf course then I’d be annoyed to be honest. I think like Iffy said, it would’ve been good to have a discussion before the project, understand his stance, how valid his opinions are and address the racism comments then it could’ve been better. On the other side, I think even if Ron did that and made the effort then I still think it would’ve only delayed the inevitable with disagreements through the season. Shame because this could’ve helped Ron image wise and there was value in Ron helping Iffy. Could’ve been a great story but it wasn’t to be
It was clearly a PR exercise on Ron Atkinson's behalf to try and rehabilitate himself after his racist insult and no coincidence that Iffy Onoura was black. It was all "I'm Big Ron, it's all about me". All that said, Onoura was dismissive from the start and wasn't interested from the get-go. Surely he could have gained some experience from someone of Atkinson's managerial experience and did come across as quite arrogant. He didn't keep Swindon up and as far as I know hasn't done much in the game afterwards. Six of one and half a dozen of the other.
He seemed a bit Iffy about it all lol
Iffy behind the scenes "I ain't giving anyone a chance who used the N word"
Kind of disappointed that they wheeled in Bassett and Kamara to help slant things in Ron's favour. Ron's says he's coming in to help Iffy and the club in any shape or form...Iffy had put great store in them getting to know each other partially, outside the football environment, which to me can be interpreted as asking for help - ie. Iffy asking Ron to help me get to know you.
Hatchet piece on the fledgling career of a young manager. Shameful.
28:32 Dryer would have been a great signing for them!
35:42 A very poor aspect of a manager " I got to manage everyone" , Iffy there's a thing called " Delegation". Any manager who fail to do that often become a cropper!
Iffy knew best... took them down and since has done so well in management ... oh no wait he has done nothing.
Big Ron will be remembered for what he did in the game.. Iffy who?
just iffy....... says it all don't it 😏
Wouldn't Say being in England under 21s set up is nothing.
@@MrRobm81 not any more!
So what was Orange Ron's real motivation for this? Boredom? The need to pay off either a tax bill, or an ex - mistress?
Likes to be in the limelight, after the racist incident he would grasp any opportunity to get back on the telly.
Iffy is a bit iffy, iffy ask me
Trevor Benjamin? You've got to love the hubris of Big Ron there.
In fairness, after Ron left Iffy brought Benjamin in on loan. Would he have done that if Ron hadn't tipped him off that the player was available? He scored some goals too.
And i assume that sky didnt pay swindon the 100k as its obvious that they were just trying to scrounge money with no intention of taking part in the documentary. Man that iffy is a knob
Fair play to Onura, if you're going to go down, go down swinging on your own merit, bringing in someone you've got no relationship with just makes you look weak and lose credibility with the players
hard to believe hes actually scottish with a name like that
the naked worm he's about as Scottish as paella mate
He is from Glasgow.
@@leemorris2924 So? He's still not Scottish and never can be.
@@wyverntheterrible born in Glasgow.
Iffy by name, Iffy by nature, not fit to shine Big Ron’s boots
Iffy saw through the bullshit.
+Wesley Newt he thought it sounded Iffy
He is the modern day version of Malcolm Allison.
9 minutes in. Why am I thinking "WHO would employ a "manager" called Iffy?!? It's footballs biggest WTF moment. I would imagine he's even less employable now after showing such arrogance that he wouldn't yake advice from Big Ron.
greetings chaps, does anyone know the name of the jaunty song that starts at 3:50?
Is there anybody more annoyingly intense than Dave Bassett? Imagine after one conversation with him you would want to sit in a dark quiet room for one week
arrogant iffy, will never get on anywhere, it could have been anybody, not just Ron. I don't think he will get on in life.
errol1234 he’s working in the England set up so not exactly a failure
@@TrequartistaFM not any more. Beside he was just a cog in a wheel not running it!
They cut the bit out where the life guard went up to Big Ron on the beach and said. Come on mate will you go back to your Hotel the tide wants to come in.....
Lol
Bet the Swindon manager had listened to Big Ron after all
In some ways, should have thought of it like the "Apprentice" in having a person who been there and done it to advise and mentor you. That's the number one reason why new managers fail being thrown in the deep end with little to no help or assistance. Iffy had that resource but chose to ignore it just as a point of pride.
Iffy missed a chance of learning some thing
Carlton Palmer joking that people asked him if Ron was his dad. Reminded me of the time Karen Brady asked Ron if Dalian Atkinson was his son.
Brady is a sharp business operator, but clueless about football though, so no surprise there.
karens dad is liam however......
😂
Iffy was correct, just look at what happened at Peterborough afterwards.
Ron got found out in the 90s, relied on being at big clubs worh big players like Robson and McGrath who knew how to perform, Ron just said nice things to them occasionally
possible title for Atkinson's next TV show ...... 'What Went Ron' 😎
unbelievable Geoff!!
A 60 game management career for Iffy. Well done! Could have learnt a lot from big Ron
Iffy is now with the England U19s so he’s not doing that bad for himself.
He seems like a very good coach and is all about developing the youth rather than signing experience. Swindon didn’t match it for him
@@TheAashiq786 60 games in management, didn’t quite hit the heights of Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday or Manchester United 🏆 🏆 🏆 🏆
@@TokyoJoe703 Yep Tokyo Joe, over 25 years of managerial experience that covered over 1000 matches from Big Ron, in yet Iffy knows it all with his 60!
Iffy might have been the worst manager thats ever been or the best thing since Brian Clough. No one will know because he wasn't given the opportunity or the tools to do the job.
Ron encapsulates everything that is dead in modern football. Iffy knew it. Anicdotes and cheap gags.
If the club owner analysed what Ron did as his job then he produced a net loss. He was a distraction. He was using his name to try get back into football at the expense of people trying to get a start. Going on holiday and phoning the manager before the game...
Ron should have kept his stories for the grand kids because thats what he should be doing.
As of 2018, Iffy works as a coach for the England Under 21 team.
How and why? I'd never heard of him until I saw this on here!! He's hardly an experienced or inspiring player or coach.
Kevin Houghton I agree - some of our coaches have similar career trajectories to British politicians. Rising up through the ranks despite massive incompetence and a lack of results!!
With Aidy Boothroyd as England Under 21 manager - says it all really!
If they signed the two west brom players on loan they could of stayed up probably
Matthew Salisbury One of them plays non-league now.
what 2 wba players ? regis & cunningham ?
@@forgive7449 obviously when writing your comment you hadn't watched all of vid, if you had you would of known what he was on about
@@forgive7449 Regis and cunnigham.. What u on about
Someone has a massive chip on their shoulder. And it's not Ron!
Good to see Mark Devlin there... doing a great job for Brentford at the moment..
Iffy, you did well. Respectful, professional and under the circumstances extremely tolerant. Ron on the other hand.... 'Ive got no vested interest' - whilst on a sun bed drinking a lager with a mate calling in. Respect Iffy
Big Ron is a legend. Respect Ron
Had never heard if iffy before seen this and aint heard of him recently. He should have listened to the master big ron
He was with England recently as a coach dunno where's at now
And how about not needing somebody (who’s trying to damage-control his reputation by filming with a colored coach) over your shoulder !
I think both men were to blame for the fact it didn’t work out. Ron probably should’ve made more of an effort off camera and going on holiday for 2 weeks right after starting was hardly a great decision. But I really don’t get why Iffy said yes in the first place as he made no effort at all with Ron - he didn’t take any of his advice and was actually pretty rude towards him.
Hope Iffy learnt from this experience. Arrogance is never a good thing.
Iffy was far too proud and stubborn, and I think deep down he held a personal grudge towards Ron for what he said many years ago. It's a real shame, he could have gained a lot from Ron's experience and contacts. The same with Bleasdale, who also ignored Ron's advice. Where are they now? If I were a rookie manager, Ron would be on speed dial. You don't win 2 FA Cups and 2 league cups for nothing.
"alright Iffy, we know we've just put a lot of faith in you to make the step up to management and obviously you're keen to prove yourself, but what we thought we'd do is bring in a total stranger with cameras after 15 games with the implication that he's calling the shots and not you. oh also to top it off he's a renowned racist and you're one of the few black managers out there."
nothing to do with atkinson's football knowledge, i'm a wednesday supporter and he took us into europe from the then second division, he clearly knows way more than i do about football. but at this stage he'd been out of management for 10 years and had less than zero relationship with iffy, pretty clear to me why iffy wasn't interested IMO
Iffy summed Ron up all your stories, all it was anecdotes.
black guy with attitude thought he knew best....then got relegated n sacked.....knob head
‘Black guy’……sounds like that’s an issue for you.
1000 games and only 4 trophys.
He'd of gone 500 games before in todays game.
Best game I ever saw was the swindon play off final.. hoddle ..brilliant.
And to see they got wise and poyet the next season why the heck did they go with iffy when in the league above..crazy.
Cheap option!
Iffy just didnt want to make it work after Rons remarks.
As a Northamptonian I'd like to thank You tube for recommending a video that shows Peterborough in the shit! 😂
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Ron did nothing wrong here. Iffy was just being difficult.
basically he didnt want to be on TV
Iffy just didn't want to participate and should've been honest.
Uncle Carlton.
Iffy is right about the whole Bryan Robson thing. What does it matter if he rings him or Big Ron does? The loan players in question are going to the same place and are playing with the same players, under Iffy anyway. Would Bryan Robson really have gone "No I don't trust Iffy you can't borrow them, oh what's that Big Ron is there, yeah sure have em for the rest of the season!" Premiership and Championship players go on loan to League One clubs all the time and are willing to do so to get experience, if they have a good season chances are their parent club will have them back or they can get a permanent contract somewhere else. Big Ron being there or not doesn't make a iota of difference.
Cash Back Robbo played under BIG Ron and they have a personal relationship and in most aspects of life it's who you know. I'm sure he would loan out better players via Ron than Iffy
Bollocks mate. If the player's any good whatsoever then multiple clubs will be after him for a loan. That's when little advantages like having a personal relationship with the player's manager can be the difference.
As Kamara says Prem managers don't loan out their talent willy nilly to clubs that they think won't develop them properly.
That's how Ron would've helped get them to Swindon.
Moronic move from Iffy.
It’s not what you know it’s who you know, Robson helped Ron cos he knew him
Agreed, a load of bollocks spoken by Kamara who was just backing the project because Sky were his employers. If Robson was looking to get a couple of youth players some match experience he wouldn't have refused a chat with iffy.
Ron fatkinson....sunning it up and playing golf ain't gunna cut it mate...FFFFAAATT
Onuora comes across much better than Ron doesn't he? Fair play to Sky they haven't edited it to make Ron out to be a saint.
Spot on mate but no amount of editing could make ron look like a saint ha. But yeah fair play too sky.
Really? Iffy came across really bad here.
Ron was nothing but respectful throughout.
Still can't get over the nerve of this hatchet job on a young manager in his first job. From Ron Atkinson, to Palmer and Bassett, shameful.
Good for Iffy that he had the character and the courage to not to get bulldozed by Ron Atkinson. Too bad that Steve Bleasdale had Barry Fry piling on as well.
...and look where that got him!
@@walboyfredo6025 Iffy stood up for himself, Bleasdale rolled over, it was poisoned chalice either way. Hard expect more when the club sells your leading goalscorer from under you though.
Iffy couldnt coach cones
He's also known for he's shocking combover.
The rebirth of Cloughie and Taylor...............NOT🍺🍺
What's iffy (funk all I bet unless he's learnt from this ) doing now? These documentaries are a curse look at Sinton
He now works for the PFA as an Equality coach and Regional coach
The conversation at 34:38. The rejection and subsequent denial of knowledge - no wonder there are no successful black managers around.
Can’t blame the manager because the board sold his striker did seem under qualified but don’t think he’s to blame for him leaving
Indeed. Most strikers go through purple patches and lean spells, so why not take the best offer you can get when the goals are going in?
What so I'm a rookie manager with no experience and the ex manchester united and villa manager whos won cup finals and nearly won league with over 30 years experience wants to help me???? Erm nah thanks you're ok cos I'm a stubborn idiot! What an idiot iffy was
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Iffy never made it as a manager 🤷♂️
Cheer up Barry fry!!!!!!
Get the feeling Iffy was "encouraged" to do this. Call me cynical but it's a bit of a coincidence that they try this with a black manager. The second you bring somebody else in you undermine the manager. Iffy was on a hiding to nothing.
Handful of B & M E Managers in the game .... Keith Alexander (RIP), Paul Ince, Iffy....... I know, let's send out Big Ron Manager.
And that's Jarnel Singh in charge of the Shrimpers - Robins game....... singularly the WORST ref I've ever seen.
Iffy by name iffy by nature Lloyd Dyer would of walked in that side at the time
Iffy thought he be a pioneer at Swindon wow anyone would take advice from some one who has managed over 1000 games Jesus no wonder iffy and Steve from Peterborough never did anything in football
Feel sorry for iffy in this. Really nice fella obviously.
Iffy done well didnt he? Ron managed and won at Utd Wednesday, Athletico, Villa..... but iffy will tell Ron how it's done!!😂😂 what a clown!!
Iffy was stubborn ...
City Signed Lee peacock of Mansfeild for 500/000 pound MCFC
Swindon Town are now in the 3rd Division. The lowest full professional league in this country.
Lowest full professional league in England is the national league(5th tier) . Even in the 6th tier. National leagues north and south. The majority are fully professional too.
Semi pro amongst those leagues you idiot.@@Sikth-tm2xr
so it is the lowest pro league. dorking wanderers etc. its not a fully pro league, what a dry lunch?
Why wouldent they take his advice
I see both sides I love Ron and yes iffy was difficult but how must it have been getting help from someone who has slurred your people. Even tho Ron is NO racist. It was an impossible situation and as bleasdale proved iffy wasn’t so out of order MST e as bleo reacted the same hated having Ron there
Ron was a great bloke, never a racist, iffy was bad towards Ron, so whose Racist.
I could ring up robson and ask for players
No you couldnt robson wouldnt have a clue who you were
The Fast Show brang me here. Much disappointed! Hmmmpprhh!!
A far cry from boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts... rush goalie... marvellous.
+TELE6220. does it REALLY matter ? REALLY mate ? ffs
isnt it? wasnt it?
Iffy ahahaha
Big Ron never went anywhere without ££ behind him. Don't rate him at all. Cheque book Charlie.
"Ron is the least racist man I know."
Lol.
Indeed, if you call someone a 'nigger' that can't really be true, can it.
So Poyet and Wise completely changed the clubs immidiate fortunes...so how was that with big wads? the old adege it's not so much what you know but rather who you know and who you are come to mind, I tend to think of Iffy's position like this had things been different and Swindon had success, how much of the credit would of been given to him?,, i think that's a big part of resenting such a high profile figure at the club, add to that there was no icebreaking period to have a respect for each other coupled with the clear racist incident which in lieu is what a social bonding period is looking to address, .....this was never going to work as the naive hierarchy at the club first thought......hindsight eh?, yeahi know wonderful thing..p
Iffy was the iffy 1..Ron went in full of respect and iffy stone walled him so Ron acted accordingly..
So respectful he sums up his attitude at one point as being on the verge of "getting the guns out and starting blazing"😂
I'll have whatever you're smoking
@@MrMamooshka after he had been badly disrespected
@@upsidedownworldexposed6735 respect? 15:40 before Ron even came to the club, he was so busy with self-promotion and rehabilitating his torched image he was giving interviews to the press presenting himself as Swindon's saviour, using that stupid Ramsay 'Kitchen Nightmares' analogy. Where's the respect there for either the club or the manager?
From Ron's perspective this project was entirely about rebuilding his career because as he said in the Darcus Howe documentary, paraphrasing his fellow fossil Venables, he was "fed up of apologising", which incidentally he never offered to Desailly and always couched with cowardly excuses like for example he was just "repeating what other managers had said".
Ron the Racist's big mistake at Swindon was working with one of his worst enemies lmao
15min intro
Iffy is a Gillingham legend, even more so for relegating the swine
Swindon don't care about Gillingham. Weird that Gillingham cares about Swindon.
@@jnicholls21 yet you cared enough to comment 🤫
Also a legend for shagging Lisa Marie Scally behind the chairman's back.
Donald atkinson!