HEATED TEN HAG & PLAYERS BLAME DEBATE! 😡 | The Trinity Podcast Ep 10
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Only KG is speaking realistically, Flex & Owen are speaking hypothetical scenarios, that INEO will get a better manager(not guaranteed) that INEOS will sell majority of the players(not guaranteed) that the new manager will perform well even if he’s a top manager(not guaranteed cos we have seen top managers fail at Manchester United) that the new players will perform(not guaranteed cos we have seen world class players crumble at Manchester United.
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KG is simply saying: we have seen Ten Hag’s body of work at Ajax and 1st season at Manchester United which are fantastic, He can’t turn to a bad manager over night in one season, therefore let’s give him time to work his way out of it in the summer, like Arteta, Klopp and others. Manchester United is a different beast, it will take longer time to implement your system here than it will take you at Spurs, Arsenal, Aston Villa etc.
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Finally INEOS has no evidence of success in football, trusting them is like trusting an intern to run your business. Nice has been a massive failure.
Realistically we are the worst coach team
Arsenal owners are lucky Arteta get right, think about Emery comming back to the league and finish above Arsenal. I don't think Utd will have the same fate, Ten Hag will come back with some club like New Castle or Chelsea and gonna finish above Utd.
All you spoke were Facts 💯💯
@@rafaelpereira-se3rfthat's definitely what will happen and the same fans will complain how much we shouldn't have sacked him.
So what is the realistic scenario then? Buy 20 new players? Sell 10 players?
It's all on the players mentality, not ability. For mentality they are worse than Brentford and Burnley
if the players had to win to get their paycheck, you would see an entirely different level of effort.
I think that was what KG was trying to say in terms of application
hilarious. being tactically all over the place isnt about mentality at all 😂
@@steve13191 its these same shit players. Same shit ones with Ole. Same shit ones with Jose. They are shit. It's not the managers, I know that now
@@steve13191 facts bro. The reason why Utd players look like crap is how they train week in week out. Its clear they have no clue what Ten Hag is trying to play or Ten Hag just a has shit tactics
To the 18month point the first 12 we could praise him enough..." look whats he had to deal with" " "he bringing back discipline" "he plays the youth" "he getting the best out of rashford and AWB" now in the next 6 months its he is terrible and he had enough time to show whats he worth and cant man manage 😂😂😂
😂😂😂endless cycle .. u can save this same comment for the next guy 💯
And the samething will happen next year if they do change the manager
Perfectly said. The problem is the fanbase have the expectation that this is Man United of pre-2012. THAT WAS 14 years ago.
@@onielgordon1079 agree
Kg my man is gonna express my feelings as always cant wait!!
Hij is echt een baas
Remember 2 weeks ago KG and Flex wanted to keep Rashford. I don’t want any blame on players cos they were twerking for MBE .
Yup...i remember that
Why is Marcus even a talking point? He played 20min ffs. People love to scapegoat him and it’s insane
@@hypergummy1266he’s part of the problem.. we’ve seen his effort for years
@@kayflow9023 "effort"
@@brianjacob8728 😂😂if that ..
Flex is quick to jump ship
Open your eyes, this team and manager is trash. Seven hag had everyone fooled
Yep and if they do keep Ten Hag n things turn around next season, he will be the first to say how much he told everyone to back the manager smh
Quick? Our worst league season in decades
No just fed up with bs can u blame him
We consisded over 60 shoots in 2 games
39:10 this here literally is the problem. The idea that you can ignore problems because things look good. We love to compare our situation to Liverpool and arsenals but the difference is they actually focused on those little things. Fixing effort, fixing standards, fixing style of play is what leads to sustained consistent performances. THE IDEA THAT RESULTS EXCUSE PERFORMANCES NEEDS TO DIE, THAT'S THE STANDARD WE NEED TO SET
"Rip it all up" 😂 How much do u think our summer window is ? 200M that's probably 4 players max.Be real
We need to stop this unrealistic expectation that INEOS will tear this all up. Ten hag is trying play this brand of football after LVG we need to back him.
We have some assets Sancho and greenwood and if we recruit young we could bring in 4 good center backs for a decent amount,3 midfielders and two full backs
@How_to_do_anything_ Talk about unrelastic if you genuinely belive we will sign 10 players you don't know man utd .
For eg. Now we are trying to sign ashworth and wilcox from Newcastle look how much time and money it's taking each signing now including directors has manutd tax it will not change in one season.
Why does Owen say he will never call for a manager to be sacked as a fan whilst constantly making the case for the manager to be changed, it’s such bollox lol 😂
Politician lol
Agreed, it pissed me off how much him and flex were pushing for our manager to get sacked
Cause the manager has turnt delusional as as kg mate
Owen is such a hypocrite, wish they had someone more geniunie as the "moderator"
@@danielrolon7984he’s shit! It’s warranted
I watched Ole's last game at United just out of Curiosity I recommend everyone do the same and you'll see the same players as last night doing and making the same stupid mistakes.
I 100% agree with this.
Flex is chatting nonsense!
Why does anyone think changing the manager will change anything at this club? We changed manager 4 times and the problems are still there. Ten Hag is not perfect, but if we keep doing the same thing over and over we will never get better. It's the definition of insanity to think changing the manager will improve things.
Because the structure will change
@@tuanmohdarfantuankhusairry2977 so without the structure new structure, how do you expect Ten Hag to succeed? Also, you don't know the new structure will make us better. What if we get rid of ten hag and get Southgate?
@@danielrolon7984well you're right I don't know that the new structure will succeed....I know that It will be better with than what happens now...
maybe none of those managers you got were the correct one. If you are honest with yourself. Ole, Moyes were shit. Mourinho and Gaal never got backed to the extent like 10 Hag. 10 Hag had the best squad but realistly is the only one with no style of play. Add to him bad man management, shit talent profiling and talent ID it makes sense to change him. Lets be honest we have made no progress with him so sacking him will not set us back.
I’m with KG on this one Ten Hag’s contract runs out in the summer of 2025 so why not give him 1 more season and if it doesnt work out, he leaves for free. For me yes the manager has to do better but the main problem is the players. Give ten hag a back line that can play at the half way line, give ten hag a CDM that can retain the ball and ten hag will cook.
Flex's logic is not checking out. If our players are better then Brentford the only explanation for our performance is the manager. Why is he then saying "rip it all up" instead of "Ten Hag Out"?
Being better doesn’t mean a better performance. Brentford play as a team, although Man Utd are better they don’t play as a team.
@@animemadness1171 exactly! I agree. If they are not playing as a team blame the manager. So why was Flex sooo reluctant to say "Ten Hag Out" yesterday
@@BounceOrBail I would say blame the manager but they haven’t played as a team since Jose was at United. So the club environment is very toxic for things to still not have changed.
So the standard is Brentford now? Two things can be true at the same time
@@animemadness1171 that’s true. I honestly think “rip it all up” is right. Ten hag out AND a clear out… but my op was really about flex’s reluctance to say that
🤣 Nah flex's face is killing me. Why does he look so angry. 😂😂😂
I think he knew Ten Hag is crap but tried really hard to back and Chelsea was the last straw lol and it broke the camel back
UV Trinity guys, I believe it is high time u hv your 1st guest on the podcast to discuss season 2 ending: Eyejax.
Wish Owen would stop interrupting KG. He does it with Marcel also.
“Tear it all up” is not a real measure. “Get rid” is useless. If our managers are not allowed to end outside top 4 we will never have a serious rebuild. We will have 30 years of Liverpool style top 4 football without winning the league.
One other thing: Ten Hag is teaching a front 6 to play attacking football, without the defense capable enough to close the gap in midfield. Because if he had to adapt and play Jose ball because he has the defenders for it, he’d just waste a year of development, or worse: program his attackers to play the opposite style only to flip that entire script after that. A REBUILD IS NOT ABOUT RESULTS.
All this is just talk. If we come 10 th this season, he will be sacked. It is a results based business at the end of the day. You cant show dreams of a future rebuild and get shit results
@@Press_Resistant more like logic resistant. 😂 sorry I couldn’t resist. I’m not saying he won’t be sacked. I don’t know how strong the balls on Sir Jim are. I’m also not denying it’s a results based business. I’m saying in order to achieve LONG term results, you must sacrifice SHORT term results. If you can’t do that, you’re in Limbo forever. If you’ve supported United in the last 10 years, you must know what that cycle looks like. You wanna know what “just words” sound like? How about “biggest club in the world” or “We’re United” or “high standards”. You think you know what you’re seeing. But you don’t even know what you’re not seeing. I can’t expect you to. It’s a matter of top level experience in sports, investment and business development. I’m not even saying that I know exactly what’s wrong exactly and what should be done. My only point was that the proposed measures by reactionary pundits like Flex, bless him, are not helpful.
@@NextChapterRapper I understand what you are saying. All I am saying is that there would come a time when the patience will run out with ETH if results dont change. The way he sets up the team is not convincing at all. You might say that is because of the players he has but surely he can do better imo
@@Press_Resistant oh yeah, he’s also developing himself and his coaching staff. Of course. Im not at all saying it’s all about the players, no way. In fact, much like ten Hag, a lot of these are ALSO better than we’re seeing. The Flex or KG way to see this is about SOMEONE has to be blamed. I disagree with that entire premise. When a club is in ruins like we have been, there are so many things to blame that you have to start at the top and we finally have. From the hierarchy now being worked on we should slowly analyse how that is improving reality on the pitch. Don’t underestimate that. A few sharp transfers, a new medical team, a tweak in the footballing vision, in the coaching program, all things that can exponentially improve us when systematically implemented and sustained.
Then once that had created the necessary improvement, ONLY THEN can you even START the clock for Erik. Because it’s only then when his development of his staff and players will be sustainable and therefor also have the effect of exponential improvement. After 3 years of THAT, meaning about 4-5 years from NOW, you can truly see if Erik ten Hag is the right man for our future. Now hold on. I’m not EXPECTING that to happen. they will want to see out Erik’s contract to see if they can see the early signs of this process and THEN decide on wether they trust him to continue. Once they have they’re structure complete a year from now, they will have a clear profile of manager and player that the hierarchy agrees on, and they will consider fan outrage, the mood in the camp and the alternatives in the market to decide if Erik is their guy. But now, it’s a nonsense to sack him. Because if you think forcing Erik to play Jose ball now, is what this club needs, just so we can draw with Liverpool again, you’re thinking about appeasing fans on the short term and not developing our football on the long term. The truth is we were VERY unlucky Thursday. A pen that was no pen and a couple of individual mistakes lost us that game. If you think Erik instructed Dalot to go travel across the entire pitch in the dying embers, I have some magic beans to sell you. I understand the emotional response, but I have to push back on it. Because it will keep us in a cycle instead of elevate us above the recent ruins.
Pep, Arteta, Klop. All been allowed to clear out the bad eggs and underperforming players from previous managers and bring in their own players to suit their system. Yes all of his signings haven’t been perfect but who’s are? Working under a Glazer regime where you get given your 5th/6th choice player your hit rate is going to be seriously reduced. This manager had not even had 2 years and tbh he’s got us a trophy in the cabinet, not a bad league position and is evidently developing youth players like mainoo and Garnacho. We need to have the patience and understand it isn’t a quick fix and it’ll probably get worse before it gets better. Allow the manager to sell who he wants and then let’s call for him to be sacked if it goes south.
Most of these players are his mate and he wanted mctomonay gone looks like he like mctominay noe and rashford and bruno lool ALL the guys everyone is complaining about he rated and played game in game out gets the SAME result and refises to change anything when them managers came in we can SEE what they was trying to do by the way there teamed play ypu fans are jus finished like this manager and the way he talks shit in his post match conference
@@amfff219 Come on mate they’re really not though are they. Dalot,Maguire, Lindelof,Rashford, Bruno, Luke shaw, Wan Bisaka, Mctominay, martial and many more aren’t. He’s also tried to remove some of them too but was unable to. Yes he picks the team and there’s questions behind that but you can only p*ss with the d**k you’ve got.
The problems facing MUFC are; Playing staff, Coaching, and Footballing structure (Not in any order). Fans are stuck on a fight of which problem is bigger but the bottom line we should be united in getting all 3 fixed... It doesn't matter which one you rank more. EVERYTHING IDENTIFIED AS A PROBLEM MUST GO!
Owen n flex don't want to criticise players, pre season tour access.
They've criticised plenty of players... Stop the nonsense
you stupid?? they critized all the players
Imagine needing to lie so you can avoid the criticism of the manager..... embarrassing
Ten Hag will go Bayern, accomplish alot, you will see us cry. TRUST ME ONT THIS. IM WITH KG & GOLDBRIDGE. For the last time, its the fucking players. Clear out, give Ten Hag the players that can play his style. You’ll see.
32:29 listing all the bad players but somehow the manager needs to leave - how does that make sense?
What style of play has the manager implemented? Even the manager has gone crazy now saying we have played good. The Dutch fraud needs to go
Ole had these players and perform better.
Letting ten Haag go right now would be a big mistake. Fix everything around the club in terms of administration, personnel and player recruitment etc then let him play out his final season. If you then bring in someone else, they come in with the club running well.
I think in this conversation they are forgetting that INEOS said the sporting director will dictate a style of play and have the manager implement. The right questions we should be asking is… “what will the style of play be?” And “Is Ten-Hag able to implement that?”
I would love it if man utd fans for once come up with solutions to the problems instead of shouting managerout...
I'm with KG on this one. we were 3 -2 up when rashford and Mctominey came on. in the space of 10 minutes or so, we were on the back foot with no out ball and lost 4 -3! Lads, it's the players!
Well who chose those players to come on? Chelsea game is not Ten Hag fault still #TENHAGOUT
@@tuanmohdarfantuankhusairry2977 Well, what other players does he have to choose from. #TENHAGIN
@@Mark16D he could have bring on amad for defensive duty....better than Rashford on ball control...
Jose said no structure , ole said same , raignik said open heart surgery , manager firing is constant can we try once changing player first than manager give him fair chance style without his player how can he implement, his style is different sit back nd hold is simple to implement hence u can do with normal player hut pep style only with right player same ten hag style with right player give him time
we collapsed under Jose b Sevilla n he went on the famous football heritage speech .. when city lose the ball they tactically foul the player immediately.. utd players lack a brain
Players with player Powers should be exposed...players should be exposed to public and media
lol the media protects them .. i can tell u it’s most of the same ones that leak stuff .. the same ones who hv nothing to prove, go on tequila benders etc
Their is no player power at the club at the moment. You are making excuses where there is none. Player underperforming is different from player trying to usurp the manager.
@@biggy3rd wow u sound like god...u know each n everything it seems🤔🤣😂...and what do u mean u are making excuses,u mistaken me for Ten hag,are u confused,do u need spectacles.
You know whats crazy with the most shots narrative we have still only conceded the 6th lowest amount of goals
The players have failed the manager time and time again. We asked him to drop rashford he did... he's changed the team up so many times trying to make it work! Injuries have been horrible and we've had some real bad luck this year.
TEN HAG IN 100%
Stop being so impatient. We will be back having this same exact conversation yet again in a years time.
Trust the process..... stop being children. It will take time!
How can people trust the process if if the manager already here for 18 months+ and the progress is still at 0%?
@@tuanmohdarfantuankhusairry2977 his flying a Boeing not a private jet
Players been in the club for years and failed, the director and CEO been in the club for years and failed.
The only person/people in the club who deserve a chance under the new regime is the manager! Before he came to united, he was known as promising modern manager. The hype of ten hag last season and before he came to united show that he has chance to be the right manager for this club. Hence why ten hag deserves to get a chance under new structure.
The thing KG is saying is not that Brentford has better players than us, but that the TEAM has a better mentality than us. But this is only during that game in that our players when they turn up are better but when they aren't can be the worst bunch of players and that is why Ten Hag says it is all up to us and not the form of the opposition, commenting only 10 minutes into the video
No that's not what kilograms said...he said again and again that Burnley and Brentford have better players technically and mentally....
I can’t lie KG is the only one talking sense. Ten Hag hasn’t even been able to complete half a rebuild and fans are on there back. These players have done the same thing with every manager.
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ETH Isn't the problem..the only thing he got wrong is playing casemiro last night game legs have gone. if the midfield gets run through they're is going to be problems
United weren’t any better with Casemiro out. Arguably worse
@@neezynotthere yeah but the last two games he has played and before he was injured he can't keep up...but then again our midfield isn't good enough
Common sense would suggest asking Kobbie to play alongside Casemiro rather than pushing up the pitch. Casemiro is getting run ragged every game
Flex acting like he's never acted like someone that's had dual opinions of one thing, especially about Ten Hag.
The man is equally reactionary to KG. 😂
I need our youth, senior players and especially Marcus to read Endricks letter to his brother about joining Real Madrid and how soccer is allowing him to change his families circumstances. Some of our players seem to have forgotten their privilege and what this team has helped them achieve. They should never forget what it felt like to struggle and how they prayed for this moment.
*Football
Great conversation guys. This is the most insightful and progressive conversation on the subject that I’ve listened to.
I'm actually with KG on this.
Me too man we said 3 years and we struggled to make half as a collective as fans we are too impatient
your with a guy that says we have worst players then burnley
?? jesus
@@dalymufc Yeah not through quality but through effort
@@TheJamesk620but that's not what kg said tho
Kg literally said that Burnley have better players than united to avoid critism of ten hag
I can see both points of view. In all honesty i have strong reservations over Ten Hags ability to successfully manage Man Utd...but KG is 100% right when he says the likes of Bruno and...more than anybody Marcus Rashford ..have REGULARLY contributed to us losing games this season...Rashford seems to be on a one man mission to fuck this season up ..why?... pissed off with the way his snide little mate Sancho was treated?...or is it something else that the King is annoyed at? Why oh why has ETH not recognised how God awful they've been playing? and benched them ?... He has no balls. I honestly can't see anything changing...manager after manager after manager...they can't ALL be wrong!. More than anything i want these toxic players gone.
So why can't the manager see that...he makes Bruno and Rashford his key players
Change the manager, apparently all the great work he did at Ajax was a fluke and his debut season, where we were all excited, was also a fluke and he is now a rubbish manager. Yes sack him and we can get a new one, he to will have a promising first season and we will once again be back here during their second season when things inevitably fall apart, we will continue to make excuses for the players and just keep on sacking managers because that has worked out great for us in the last 10 years 😂😂😂
We are saying the players need to go with the manager both need to go
@@neoleso4020 were you saying the same thing about the manager last season?
@@doctorkhumalo7730what a strawman argument...you do know people can change their mind right?
@@tuanmohdarfantuankhusairry2977 fickle fans who don't understand that these things take time and guess what they will do it to whomever the next manager is as well as soon as things start to go left 😂😂😂
@@doctorkhumalo7730 but that's not my argument...you just assumed that my position on the matter is that I want results above all things....all I want to see that is progress to possession or counter pressing team but it seems like there zero progress to go that style of football...now I can only see counter attacking team and there no adaptability to change style from the manager.
what is it so hard to understand why we keep losing?? weak minded players = bottlers. and what with this weird obsession with shots on goals bs, most of the shots are outside the fing box.
To many shots on goal mean teams are tearing through us easily, which means we are too easy to play against. It's a very big part of the game.
Delusional take. you do know the more shots your team concedes the more likely you will concede that's just logic and you wonder why we've conceded so many goals c'mon man use your head 😮
Episode 10 a good therapeutic episode and still waiting for a trinity opening!
I like how everybody’s face was swollen in the beginning then they started arguing and the blood started flowing now everybody looking active 😂
Great pod lads 🔥👊
im with kg on this one the players have to go before the manager
how come the players go when the manager makes the those players key players in the team??HAHAHAH
They all need to go that's flex point....you want to make flex and Owen want the players to stay but that's not their point
The best United have played this season - See the 60 minutes at Wolves, that's his first 11.
Tell me how many times he’s been able to play that 11
Lads, We’ve had - 60 injuries,
- lost 4 centre backs in a 180 minutes
- hadn’t had our left-back all season
- not been able to play out best centre back partnership all season
- we’ve got one holding midfielder, he’s legs are gone and he’s been injured a few times.
- our two best players have been shit all season - relying on an 18 yo, 19, and 21yo. - and united player of the season is play at left back.
Why does Ten Haag keep picking them
Cause there is no one else who is fit enough to play 90
@@danielrolon7984Wrong he said himself that he pick based on their training session remember? That's how Sancho don't get into the squad
@@tuanmohdarfantuankhusairry2977 That was at the begining of the season when we weren't ravaged by injuries. If everyone was fit I'm sure that's how he would pick the team, but they're not
KG, I am exactly the same, when I'm pissed, told bad news, angry, I laugh, can't help it. Its how I deal with negativity. Had an argument with my boss recently because I laughed at the fact the one off our business accounts were hacked and money stolen and he got mad with me because I laughed. So with you KG on this, its how we coupe with pressure, bad news, whatever. Must be that we are neurodivergent.
Flex & Owen asking the right questions
We stick with a manager who favours performance over results cz wen that manager gets his players the results will match the performances.so far we hv hd mng that do the opposite n that is short term logic
I don't know why people want Ten Hag to be Antonio Conte! You all want the manager to come out and start ripping the entire team apart? That's not leadership!
The issue isn't quality, the issue is consistency.
And I think this misconception is causing confusion and making a lot of us sound like flip flops.
Considering injuries and general fitness, the players we have aren't consistent enough and again, we have Ralf to thank for bringing this to light.
Everything needs replacing, from the players to the coaching staff, the nutritionists and management.
Only time will tell if our fortunes will change but if we keep the core of this squad... you know what they say about hoping for different results while trying the same thing
The point KG made about giving Rashford that big contract, is exactly what our problem is. To put a player on such a massive contract based on one very good season is ludicrous. What they should have done is sit him down and showed him the data. Marcus, you have had only 2 exceptional seasons in 7. You averaged 8 goals a season over 7 seasons. The math is not mathing for what you are asking.
He was 25, his contract running down, the likes of PSG sniffing round, he’d been one of the top scorers in Europe last season while still not being amazing, coming into his peak, what would you do, offer him 150k watch other top clubs take our goals from us for nothing? Don’t forget those wages is what we paid Rooney 10 years ago, that’s not suggesting he’s as good as or better than Rooney, Ronaldo had just left, Rashford picked up the mantle scored the goals, Ronny’s 500k a week so offering Rashford that money looks a no brainer, his wages are not just based of what he does on the field it’s also his image rights etc, my point is what should the club of done? The fanbase would have been going nuts if he walked for free or sold!
@@ianmcdonald3053 Yes, let another take him and they would have been regretting right now.
Every season it gets a little difficult or not meets his unrealistic expectations, flex jumps ship… im riding with KG (owen makes mode of a practical argument: Ineos probably want their own manager) but flex would ride with you when its good, and ditch you when it is bad.
Big up yourselves and the community GGMU
It is the hope that kills you....the hope that we are all putting on INEOS to make the right decision is buffling....all this guys are new they don't know anything about the team more than Ten hag...Ten hag wanted maguire out for Kim min jae and mctominay out for gravenberch....if the board supported him with that do you still think he would have perfomed like this??? The board has failed him, medical department has failed him bt we just want to say the back stops with the manager...well it doesn't and that's why we are building a structure to support managers....the sensible thing is to keep him, change players in the summer and if it doesn't improve till christmas then sack and if we do sack him then, no worries because atleast the structure is already there and some players have gone.....hound him out all you want and if we get southgate you better back him because he will be their guy
Flex the professional yapper.
And KG professional strawmaner
Guys liverpool last year failed to finish top 4 with injuries kloop couldn't build consistency even after challenging for the title the previous season. The injuries this year are mad guys. He even says we have been we are failing to build patterns due to change of personnels
Flex and owen pushing our manager out the door reacting after a game the players lost is disgrafeful. Props on KG for keeping his cool cause i would have been angry. Love the channel but flex and Owen really pissed me off this stream
I think KG was very realistic.
My opinion of the last play was the defensive line was not in sync. Any wing back can get blown by, but Dalot had no sweeping coverage. Where was McGuire? Also Kobe was a little out of position
Two things: what's been the difference between our performances last season and this season? Also, you can't just say ten hag needs to get his players to do better. It isnt that easy to influence others, just ask any parent or teacher
If a manager needs that all his 11 players are on the pitch and fit enough to play his style, it means that he isn't good enough. Adaptability IS a quality, unfortunately Ten Hag don't have it then...
Flex ane Owen really pissed me off this stream. The only reason were having these talks is because the shit players threw away a win in the last minutes of the game. That has nothint to donwith ten hag. We had a great year the first year, and now youre telling me in 12months ten hag turned to a shit manager? Its pissing me off how youre ganging up on KG who is making the most sense, and youre pushing for our manager to get sacked. Disgraceful... On other note, love the channel guys, watch almost every video, keep up the good work for this great comunity!!
Perhaps the point is to play in this aggressive way this season and see who can cope before the clearout. Not to adapt to the personnel and potentially make them look them okay...
PetroChina and INEOS announce plans for new trading and refining JV in Europe
Absolutely no Marcel to be seen "trust the process"😊😊😊😊
As much as I would like to see Ten Hag grow the team with the young players, I truly don't know what will happen. So if we do get a new manager/coach next season, (this is us in Europa ) I expect deep run, maybe finals, maybe win, that's the first season. 2nd season knock-out stages in The Champions League and top three in the league. 3rd season, fighting for the league and Champions League. That should be the expectation. That aligns with Ineos plans. So yes flex, tear it all down and build around the youth. That's our DNA.
Ask questions of manager yes, there is no more answers for these players protected by ten hag against backlash.
you can see where a coach is going after 18 months. So Ten Hag had a good first season and had to play a certain way because of the players he had. But now it's been 7-8 months of the new season and a lot are saying sack. A new manager will not get 18 months if we're not doing good, by the fans anyway
About the number of shots we allow, take a look at where from and am sure its on the edge of the box, a cut back and no-one getting out, or in place to cut out the cut back. I guarantee that big sam will reduce the number in a matter of weeks.. why does'nt Ten Hag or his staff see these things and stop them.
I would be extremely worried giving 10hag more money to purchase players to fit a non-existent system. Square pegs in round holes all over again. First play a certain way then recruit players to fit that style. Klopp and Pep's philosophy was as clear as daylight even when they weren't doing well early on. That is the most important thing. Develop a discernible style. Fans will be more forgiving if they can see what you're trying to build.
What if the new board come in and get rid of Mainoo and garnacho because they feel it dosnt match their profile .would u guys be ok with it just like how most of u ok with getting rid of ETH .?
not only that in that time where we keep ripping n sacking mgrs guess what.. gap from the top increases.. city liverpool arsenal aren’t going anywhere.. 30yrs of drought is a reality
100 percent KG, DON'T, let daaz men change your truth 💯
Fans don't have to be rational, Ineos has to be
The ETH out people clearly don’t remember the history of the club. Go back and look at the first six seasons under Ferguson. He got second in his first season then eleventh the next year, and after the third season people were calling for him to be sacked. He was allowed extra time, he brought through the class of 92, signed Cantona and the rest is history. The greatest manager of all time needed the right players to find success.
ETH has brought through some real gems in the academy in Garnacho and Mainoo. Over the next few years we could be seeing players like Fernendes, Lacy, and a couple others getting their chances. The club needs to a supplement that with a few quality signings, and replace mctominay, rashford, Maguire, casemiro, varane, and Shaw. If this happens there is a real chance of finding success again in the future. If ETH is sacked right now the club will just be repeating the same mistakes of the last decade.
This video came across as a Flex & Owen vs KG debate.
I'd like to see a more balanced debate (The Quadrality) on this topic with the addition of someone like Marcel-who is very much on the side of Ten Hag.
I expect nothing from this team of players, if they win great but if they lose then it’s to be expected, you can’t get up for games.
How many managers has it been now since United fans WEREN’T arguing about the manager’s capabilities???
Wan bissaka stays for me best one on one defender there is
OWEN, as someone who does press conferences u have abandoned everything u read on the presser to tenhag out and here is my reason, u say people are not allowed to talk about the manager I don’t see anyone saying the manager isn’t at fault, u can critic the manager without saying we should sake him. The players are the once kicking the ball are u telling me the players couldn’t wast time for 3 mins and hold the win? Even if it got them a yellow card? The pattern has been when managers speak to them week in and week out the players don’t listen and when they gets benched is a hot topic on social media and news outlets, tenhag has tried everything The players don’t do it, the camera showed ten hag shouting, keep the ball, be calm but the players where not doing anything. We all have to wake up and hold ourselves accountable for pushing all these managers out of the club without giving them time to fix their mistakes. On like many of us if Ineos sake ten hag it will be the biggest mistake. Another manager will come and undo what ten hag has built and that will take another 2 seasons to start getting a team together and when he can’t win anything will u and the rest of them have that patience to give him time? I don’t think so.
This is the truth brother.
They’re saying they will now but circumstances change so they might feel different later if the new guy isn’t showing them something.
I totally agree with you, a lot of the fans overestimate their ability to control their emotions. They want the success like city and pretty football but aren’t willing to go through the process of regressing first to move forward. I do not believe these footballers on the contracts theyre on have the hungry to adapt to the playing style. There is a reason why Ragnick said sign players on their first or second contract! Casing point is Bruno when he was signed he was at top of his game, goal and assist galore etc etc etc , then he signed a new contract and look his performances now. They use spurs as an example , we must understand the real spurs was when Poch was there, all the manager since Poch have been pragmatic managers that’s why they were bad for conte and mourinho, the ange football is spurs recent footballing philosophy that’s why they’re playing the way they are under ange.
I agree with KG we must face the hardship to enjoy the success, Flex and Owen were singing and dancing when ETH was coming to the degree that they went to Holland to watch his Ajax team and the first sign of difficulty they crumble and I have no doubt they’ll be back in 18 months asking for the new coach sacked a leopard never changes their spot.
@@LDElmi exactly what I’m saying.
Is it really the managers fault that a player who earns 300000 a week can not pass a ball or track back .that's junior level stuff.
You’ve changed managers 4 times. How have that worked out for you
Yeh but the shots a lot of them are from
Long range ect they know Onana can make errors and I’m thinking managers are trying to exploit that
If there isn't major changes at the club over the Summer. Next season will be the same as the current one.
Man, KG is being criticized on previous takes. He is making such sensible points.
These micro problems are so many they've become Macro. EtH has a lot of blame too but it's not worth highlighting ahead of the players.
The talk should be around fhe players. Have them feel the pressure. They need to feeeel it ahead of our manager cause that clip said it all. "Keep the ball, play and switch" and seconds later, seconds to minutes later we lost it.
We cant sack him but we can criticize him.
The players literally shit the bed.
When we stay compact and defend “that’s not the man united way”
When we press and concede from the cutback we complain.
Look at bruno’s goal v chelsea. That’s an exact pattern we’ve been applying every game since last season. Patterns are there. Tactics need fixing but I can give a manager another 6 months instead of getting a new idiot in
Jose said no structure , ole said same , raignik said open heart surgery , manager firing is constant can we try once changing player first than manager give him fair chance style without his player how can he implement, his style is different sit back nd hold is simple to implement hence u can do with normal player hut pep style only with right player same ten hag style with right player give him time 42:42 42:43 42:43
KG is the only one I think is being realistic about the Man U situation. Imagine next manager is Southgate or potter. What next then??
With that logistics ETH is the glazers guy and they are still the majority shareholder and they will have a say in ETH sacking
They Keep talking about the volume of shots conceded as justification as lack of tactics.... am i wrong or did De Gea not get golden glove last year.... he know what he doing he know what he want ls... we are just having a shit season.... every team has them (not city) liverpool last season... everyone was saying "Klopp is done" "7 year curse".... no one extped arsenal to jump from 5th to title contenders.... nor was they showing it
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Volume of shots skyrocketing than before means the opponent teams is getting to our box much easily and getting through our midfield easily....so the question is it's the manager's fault or the players? Both can be true....you may not see the progression of the Arsenal team but many others can see that arteta wants to play possession based football from his transfer. And only delusional fans thought that klop was finished last season...how can a manager be finished after almost winning a quadruple one season before?
@tuanmohdarfantuankhusairry2977 partly manger for letting Fred go.... but he cant predict casemerio will fall of a cliff... or amrabat will be this shit... OUR midfield is not balanced, which is causing us issues.... my point against arsenal was not there style of play but more that they went from 5th to title challengers amd no one saw it coming... so why can't we have faith Ten Hag Can change this round... give him one more season
Coaching 101
yes get rid of a lot of the players, starting w rashford
prioritise players,send a message,honour 3 years..hell or highwater.
What happened is the same thing that happened against Brentford after scoring the goal they switched off
It's not going to excuse any sloppiness or nervousness/ panicked defending that ultimately is the main reason for this defeat, but it has to be said the officiating was unusual to say the least. Brentford is more understandable because they had the momentum in the game. This was just a mad 2-minute implosion like we've seen in games when we get hammered. But we actually deserved to beat Chelsea and we were beating them 9 minutes into the supposed 8 minutes that were added on. Soft penalties aside the ref helped Chelsea a LOT. The last goal went in on 111 minutes. We are struggling with injuries.
In any other season this kind of game would only have 2 talking points- the ref /VAR and possibly the form of Antony because he hurt Chelsea.
We have to beat Liverpool now.
How the mighty have fallen 5:30. 😂.
Last season, was a honeymoon period. Geez..
Lack of game intelligence and mentality is why they lost yesterday
Otherwise no physical presence in midfield and get bullied by bigger, stronger teams, only flashes of individual brilliance is what we see with United
With Bruno: are you guys really saying you can’t tell he’s been showing signs of burnout beginning around the start of February???… at the latest?!
Why we don’t give Ten Hag a path like Arteta. Arsenal got the blue print
Arteta gutted arsenal, and kroenke believed in him, and he had a style of play
@@incognito96this is actually revisionism. Most people claiming they could see what Arteta was doing 3-4 years ago are lying. If you go watch fan debates from back then you’ll see arsenal fans saying all the same things we are saying now. They said he was tactically inept, they said he couldn’t manage at a big club, they said his in game management was poor, they said his tactics were so naive. I personally looked last night through arsenal fan content from over the last 3 years and the similarities between their fan complaints and ours are uncanny
People talk about Arteta like he has already won major trophies🤣...
@@liljsb does FA Cup consider as major trophy?? Arteta bought Arsenal very close to challenge City...yet United is not even close to challenge Brighton..
@@niiadoteysackar3140just because old arsenal fans fail to see that arteta wants to play possession based football doesn't mean that other can't see it.....he only stop possession football against big team but if you actually trying to see what's he's doing in his second at arsenal while not perfect he stick by his principal and playing possession with the arsenal team that is not complete yet.... Arsenal fans may don't like that they don't get instant results but Others can see what's he's trying to do...and from what Ten Hag tactics this season, all I can see is Ole ball (counter attacking football).